(08-01-2021, 10:33 AM)Patrick Wrote: "More people in decent jobs means stronger and more inclusive economic growth. Improved growth means more resources to create decent jobs."

As soon as you see an agenda that talks about the concept of jobs you know it is phony. An STO future no longer has the need for jobs. Any arrow of causality that points to an STO future, that depends on technology, will target 100% full automation and no BS about "better" jobs.

(08-01-2021, 04:09 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: We do realize that we are in what is referred to the tribulation and what Ra refers to as the harvest. Things will get much, much tougher before it ever gets better.
Scott Mandelkerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKORzvD9iFU&t=1714s

(08-01-2021, 04:09 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: We do realize that we are in what is referred to the tribulation and what Ra refers to as the harvest. Things will get much, much tougher before it ever gets better.
Scott Mandelkerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKORzvD9iFU&t=1714s

(08-02-2021, 06:33 AM)Nikki Wrote:

(08-01-2021, 04:09 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: We do realize that we are in what is referred to the tribulation and what Ra refers to as the harvest. Things will get much, much tougher before it ever gets better.
Scott Mandelkerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKORzvD9iFU&t=1714s

Whenever some one gives predictions of the future, I do not believe.  Even the most advanced beings like Ra's teachings will also tell you that seeing into the future is difficult. We are the creators, things can change instantly depending on how extreme the change in vibration/density through mass consciousness.  The way things are going with humanity right now and with the help of the dark side, see great changes happening quickly when a certain number awaken and love will take control - heaven on earth.   Love is in the air, can you feel it?  Feel such joy in love.

(08-02-2021, 08:42 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(08-02-2021, 06:33 AM)Nikki Wrote:

(08-01-2021, 04:09 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: We do realize that we are in what is referred to the tribulation and what Ra refers to as the harvest. Things will get much, much tougher before it ever gets better.
Scott Mandelkerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKORzvD9iFU&t=1714s

Whenever some one gives predictions of the future, I do not believe.  Even the most advanced beings like Ra's teachings will also tell you that seeing into the future is difficult. We are the creators, things can change instantly depending on how extreme the change in vibration/density through mass consciousness.  The way things are going with humanity right now and with the help of the dark side, see great changes happening quickly when a certain number awaken and love will take control - heaven on earth.   Love is in the air, can you feel it?  Feel such joy in love.

I agree with you but this video is not about predictions or some other religious ideology. I do not promote predictions as free will overrides all predictions.
A massive amount of people are awakening and they are waking up inside a nightmare. Though we have love in our hearts the nature of reality speaks for itself. Yes, we should be seeking love in every moment. However, it is our responsibility to know what is happening in the world so that we can prepare and to protect ourselves. Also, we need to know "where" to send our love and where we carry our light to.
There is a personal responsibility we have during the final years on the earth as this is "the harvest", the end times, the tribulation, Kali Yuga, etc....
I feel it is a detriment to deny the reality of what is happening. I do not think you are promoting the denial of what is happening at this time on planet earth.
I posted the video for those of us that want to know why the events in the world today literally feel like pressure upon the mental, emotional and spiritual complexes. It will not resonate with everyone. Scott Mandekler is a fair, honest man though we come from two different teachings.

(08-02-2021, 10:54 AM)Margan Wrote: Have any of you ever wondered what Jesus would do? would he get the jab?
Well he used to be outspoken about hypocrites, pharisees and money-grabbers so I think he would be perfectly aware of Big Pharma and their greedy cartells...
maybe he would take part in the demonstrations for freedom and civil liberties and against the mandatory health passes....

(08-03-2021, 11:24 AM)Patrick Wrote: "...The technology of which you, as a social complex, are so enamored at this time is but the birthing of the manipulation of the intelligent energy of the sub-Logos [...] the use of technology to manipulate that outside the self is far, far less of an aid to personal evolution than the disciplines of the mind/body/spirit complex resulting in the whole knowledge of the self in the microcosm and macrocosm." ~ Ra 52.2

The two ways of manipulating intelligent energy. Tech and/or discipline of the personality.

Both valid of course and can both be practiced at the same time too.

So why worry much about how we get there ?

I'm not worried. We are getting there no matter how.

(08-03-2021, 11:59 AM)Diana Wrote:

(08-03-2021, 11:24 AM)Patrick Wrote: "...The technology of which you, as a social complex, are so enamored at this time is but the birthing of the manipulation of the intelligent energy of the sub-Logos [...] the use of technology to manipulate that outside the self is far, far less of an aid to personal evolution than the disciplines of the mind/body/spirit complex resulting in the whole knowledge of the self in the microcosm and macrocosm." ~ Ra 52.2

The two ways of manipulating intelligent energy. Tech and/or discipline of the personality.

Both valid of course and can both be practiced at the same time too.

So why worry much about how we get there ?

I'm not worried. We are getting there no matter how.

Personally, it matters to me how I get somewhere. The end doesn't justify the means, in my (current) view. The journey matters as well. The journey may be ALL that matters.

Many people, for example, like following gurus. A good friend of mine says that since the guru (any person who has, say, contacted intelligent infinity) has forged the path through a forest, why not make use of that path. But I say there is an energetic difference between forging your own path and taking advantage of a pre-made path which requires no effort. It's not that I look to work hard, it's that I think creativity and the ability to manifest is involved in doing it yourself.

(08-03-2021, 12:59 PM)Patrick Wrote: I just mean to say that tech is not the issue. It's how it is used. But humanity as a whole wishes tech to be for the good and I believe this will make it so. The Internet has been very good to us, no matter all the nefarious intent it was supposed to be used for.

While I like tech, Ra did point out that it is much less efficient as a tool of evolution. I really wish natural healing would work better. All that is needed for it is the law of squares. Just more people believing that it works well and it will.

I think the push against vaccination is detrimental to convincing people that natural healing is better.

Why not let the vaccine fail. Then demonstrate that natural medicine works better against this disease.

People will be more likely to change if it is done by example.

(08-03-2021, 12:30 PM)pat19989 Wrote:

(08-03-2021, 11:59 AM)Diana Wrote:

(08-03-2021, 11:24 AM)Patrick Wrote: "...The technology of which you, as a social complex, are so enamored at this time is but the birthing of the manipulation of the intelligent energy of the sub-Logos [...] the use of technology to manipulate that outside the self is far, far less of an aid to personal evolution than the disciplines of the mind/body/spirit complex resulting in the whole knowledge of the self in the microcosm and macrocosm." ~ Ra 52.2

The two ways of manipulating intelligent energy. Tech and/or discipline of the personality.

Both valid of course and can both be practiced at the same time too.

So why worry much about how we get there ?

I'm not worried. We are getting there no matter how.

Personally, it matters to me how I get somewhere. The end doesn't justify the means, in my (current) view. The journey matters as well. The journey may be ALL that matters.

Many people, for example, like following gurus. A good friend of mine says that since the guru (any person who has, say, contacted intelligent infinity) has forged the path through a forest, why not make use of that path. But I say there is an energetic difference between forging your own path and taking advantage of a pre-made path which requires no effort. It's not that I look to work hard, it's that I think creativity and the ability to manifest is involved in doing it yourself.

Why does the means need justification? Why does the end matter?

I don't think either matter.  Nothing matters!

*smashes computer*

(08-04-2021, 06:56 AM)Patrick Wrote: If you do not fear it and you know how it protects for real, ...

(08-04-2021, 07:06 AM)Nikki Wrote: Is it true or does it not exist.  You decide.

Two documents indicating covid not real.  One man won a court case in Alberta Canada and
all mandates are void (second link)

https://greatreject.org/laboratories-cant-find-covid-19-in-positive-tests/

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/video/2021/08/freedom-fighter-court-victory-ends-masking-shots-quarantine-in-alberta/

Quote:Reasons

I.
1

The parties dispute in the main proceedings whether the plaintiff can claim the amount of EUR 100,000 offered by the defendant for the detection of the measles virus.
2

1 The defendant, a biologist, is of the opinion - contrary to the unanimous opinion in science - that measles is not caused by viruses, that there is not and cannot be a measles virus. On the Internet side of the "k...-k... Verlag", which he operates, he offered "prize money" of EUR 100,000.00 on November 24, 2011, as follows:
3

"The prize money will be paid if a scientific publication is submitted in which the existence of the measles virus is not only claimed but also proven and in which, among other things, its diameter is determined.
4

The prize money will not be paid if the determination of the diameter of the measles virus is only models or drawing such as ... ..."
5

For further details of the text, reference is made to the detailed presentation in the facts of the judgment of the Ravensburg Regional Court and to Annex K 1. Whether the complete text of the invitation to tender can be seen on the website of the "k...-k... Verlag" or whether it could only be read by calling up the newsletter - which was also posted on the Internet - was disputed at second instance. In any case, the plaintiff was not the recipient of the newsletter.
6

The plaintiff, at that time still a student and now a physician, submitted several publications to the defendant in a letter dated January 31, 2012 (Annex K 4) which, in his opinion, proved the existence of the measles virus beyond doubt and requested payment of the prize money. The defendant rejected this request because the measles virus had not been proven.
7

The defendant also operates the publishing house "W... A... und Verlag", on whose homepage on the Internet on April 13, 2014, three days after the first hearing date in this case, could be read at times:
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"On Monday, 14.04.2014 we will report in this place, to which we will refer via newsletter, that, why and how the unpromoted, non-specialist junior doctor D... B... and his illegal backers lied to the court and the public in the "Wetten, dass es keine Masernviren gibt!" trial on 10.04.2014, before the Ravensburg Regional Court. We expect that Dr. L.. will be acquitted on April 24, 2014, and that D... B... will be arrested for court fraud, inability to pay court and attorney fees, expenses and reimbursement of expenses, aiding and abetting mass bodily injury, in part resulting in death, and for risk of flight abroad."
9

The plaintiff objected to this and demanded a cease-and-desist declaration from the defendant, which the latter submitted on April 15, 2014 (Annex K 11).
10

Of the legal fees incurred by the plaintiff in the amount of EUR 492.54, he paid EUR 155.00 himself and was reimbursed for the excess amount by the R... Rechtsschutzversicherungs-AG, which made the remaining payment.
11

The plaintiff submitted in the first instance,

all the requirements set by the defendant in its invitation to tender had been met. The publications submitted by the plaintiff prove beyond doubt the existence of the measles virus in the scientific sense and determine its diameter.
12

The asserted extrajudicial lawyer's costs for obtaining a declaration of discontinuance with penalty clause had to be borne by the defendant already because he was responsible for the content of his homepage. There is also prima facie evidence that the defendant himself placed the content on his homepage.
13

The plaintiff filed a motion in the first instance,
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1. order the defendant to pay the plaintiff EUR 100,000.00 plus 5% interest above the prime rate since May 1, 2012;
15

2. order the defendant to pay to the plaintiff a subsidiary claim in the amount of EUR 2,924.07 in extrajudicial attorney's fees;
16

3. order the defendant to pay to the plaintiff the amount of EUR 492.54 plus 5% interest above the prime rate since 04/16/2014.
17

The defendant requested at first instance,
18

dismiss the action.
19

The defendant submitted at first instance that
the publications submitted did not meet the requirements set by the invitation to tender. The existence of the measles virus had to be proven by a publication of the R...-K...-Institute (in the following: RKI), which was responsible for this according to § 4 Infektionsschutzgesetz (IfSG). This is already evident from the fact that, with regard to the publication in Germany, the rules of the IfSG, which were specifically created for the provision of evidence in the area of infectious diseases, are to be applied. From the context of the announcement, the purpose of the announcement was clearly to clarify whether the documentation of the RKI corresponded to the K... postulate of isolation of the pathogen.
20

Furthermore, the submission of a single publication was required, in which both the proof for the existence of the measles virus was provided and its diameter was determined, so that it was not sufficient if - as represented by the expert - only the combination of the scientific statements in the six submitted articles proved the existence of the measles virus and at least two of these articles contained sufficient information on the diameter of the measles virus. Apart from that, the submitted publications did not meet the requirements for evidence in terms of content. The phenomena presented as measles viruses were in fact cellular transport vesicles (vesicles). None of the submitted documentation was based on experiments in which the pathogen - as required - had been isolated and biochemically characterized beforehand or even such an isolation had been scientifically documented. The type of evidence in the experiments on which the plaintiff relies does not correspond to the state of the art in science and technology and does not meet the requirements for evidence in compliance with K...'s postulates. In addition, the submitted works were already unsuitable because they all originated from the time before the IfSG came into force on 01.01.2001 and did not represent a publication of the RKI. The determination of the diameter was also not well-founded. The size range of 300 to 1000 nm given in one of the submitted publications alone refuted the thesis of the virus, since viruses are characterized by a small variation in their diameter between 15 and a maximum of 400 nm. Moreover, information from the RKI dated 24 January 2012 indicates that the diameter of measles viruses is 120 - 400 nm and that they often contain ribosomes inside, although the latter contradict the existence of a measles virus.
21

The statement on the homepage of the publishing house "W... A... und Verlag" did not originate from him and, at the time of the requested cease-and-desist declaration, had also no longer been posted there. Accordingly, he had not given any cause for the out-of-court activity of the plaintiff's legal representatives.
22

With regard to the further submissions of the parties at first instance, reference is made to the facts of the judgment of the Regional Court and the pleadings exchanged at first instance together with the annexes and the minutes of the hearing.
23

In its judgment, the operative part of which was read out at the end of the last hearing (pp. 150, 151), the Regional Court upheld the action in its entirety. The publication of the text of the invitation to tender on the Internet constituted a public announcement of the invitation to tender. The interpretation of the text leads to the result that, contrary to the opinion of the defendant, the publications do not have to be those of the RKI nor do they have to originate from the time after the IfSG came into force and the text of the invitation to tender is also not to be understood to the effect that the required proof must be provided in a single publication or that reviews may not be used. As can be seen from the convincing expert opinion of Prof. Dr. Dr. P... the publications were without exception scientific articles. They proved - according to the explanations of the expert - not in each case individually, but in their total view the existence of a virus, which was causative for the measles illness. Together, they also fulfilled the K...-H... postulates raised by the defendant in the course of the legal dispute as the standard of proof. The own chain of evidence demanded by the defendant, according to which the measles virus had to be photographed in a human being or his body fluid, isolated from it, purified, photographed again and then its composition biochemically characterized with a subsequent reinfection experiment, was merely a hypothesis which did not have scientific significance because it did not represent a scientifically established standard.

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(08-04-2021, 07:41 AM)Patrick Wrote: Personally, I am just operating under the umbrella that we are here to love it. We are not here to fix it. BUT we do help fixing things by cultivating an attitude of love and acceptance.

The mainstream as you say are the majority we came here to love and accept. That will transform the world. Cultivating fear is antithesis to this endeavor.

(08-04-2021, 06:56 AM)Patrick Wrote: If you do not fear vaccination and would not get it on principle in order to protest, that is very much understandable. But then there is also altruism in taking it. If you do not fear it and you know how it protects for real, then the societal aspect should be part of your decision making in my opinion.

This aspect cannot be part of the decision for those who live in fear. They must protect themselves first and feel safe before other considerations.

Anyway, just a plea to those who can to include the health of your other-selves in your ponderings.

This has been pushed aside in this thread, but it should not be forgotten.

(08-04-2021, 06:56 AM)Patrick Wrote: If you do not fear vaccination and would not get it on principle in order to protest, that is very much understandable. But then there is also altruism in taking it. If you do not fear it and you know how it protects for real, then the societal aspect should be part of your decision making in my opinion.

This aspect cannot be part of the decision for those who live in fear. They must protect themselves first and feel safe before other considerations.

Anyway, just a plea to those who can to include the health of your other-selves in your ponderings.

This has been pushed aside in this thread, but it should not be forgotten.

(08-04-2021, 02:55 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Why did you take the vaccine? Was it to save society?

(08-04-2021, 02:55 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Some people do not want to inject themselves with an experimental drug. I cannot possibly save the world at large by receiving an experimental vaccination or my family or even myself from "death".

(08-04-2021, 02:55 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: I mean you do know that someday you are going to die and have you ever considered that your death has already been planned just like your birth has been planned? ... I mean you do realize that the way in which you will die is planned, right?

(08-04-2021, 02:55 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Let's assume this is true. I do not want to put anything into my body that I do not know its long term effects. I do not take the flu vaccination or the pneumonia vaccination why in the heck would I consider something that was created in less than one year?

(08-04-2021, 02:55 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: It is great that you do not mind to put an experimental drug into your body and that you feel like an altruistic individual by doing so but I cannot get on board with any of those illogical reasons for doing such a thing. In my eyes it is not altruistic nor could it possibly be a way to extend your life or anyone else's.