(07-14-2021, 03:21 PM)Patrick Wrote: Then again... “Virtually all Covid-19 hospitalizations and deaths in United States are now occurring among unvaccinated individuals”

We are seeing the same thing here in Québec with 95% of cases being from unvaccinated individuals.

(07-15-2021, 12:49 PM)confusedseeker Wrote:

(07-14-2021, 03:21 PM)Patrick Wrote: Then again... “Virtually all Covid-19 hospitalizations and deaths in United States are now occurring among unvaccinated individuals”

We are seeing the same thing here in Québec with 95% of cases being from unvaccinated individuals.

also, they don't mention how the new variants are actually far less lethal. ...I wonder why?


What they will likely do now is lockdown or add restrictions due to "spikes"...and then blame the un-vaxxed. This will serve to demonize half the population and divide the country further, it's perfect.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2021/2021_0623.aspx Q`uo Wrote:...some individuals may, through piecing together the incomplete glimpses of this dark room, a certain picture that is completely at odds with the picture collected by yet another seeker. And when these two seekers meet and share their findings, the stark difference between what they have discovered can be alarming or disconcerting, and, for many, creates a need experienced by the self to defend that which they have seen and collected for themselves, for it is upon this basis that they have built their entire relationship with this room - that being their life experience within the third density.

And so, these two individuals, which in reality upon your planet are billions of individuals, may both have a desire to practice some form of responsibility towards the collective and have a willingness to sacrifice some of their own individual desires or needs or beliefs in order to participate in a harmonious collective. Yet, when certain worldviews are so at odds, it is possible that, though multiple individuals share the same willingness to come together and meet upon shared ground, the shared ground cannot be found. And their willingness cannot connect with those around them.

We encourage each individual seeker to consider this dynamic deeply, for we find that when this difficulty of connecting rears its head, even some of the most intent seekers find themselves less willing to offer their fellow other selves the benefit of the doubt and choose to ascribe all manner of ill-intent or ignorance or faulty perception, and through such projection, further divide their ability to relate to other selves and other selves' ability to relate to the self.

This is a dynamic that we find has been exacerbated upon your planet in recent years. And we offer to those considering this dynamic our encouragement and a touch of light by indicating that this is, indeed, a part of a process in which there are now energies available to you as a collective upon your planetary sphere that strengthen your ability to connect with others and to come together as a unified peoples. Yet the availability of this energy, when presented to a collective attempting to sort through the unconscious distortions that have gripped your societies so strongly throughout millennia, that these dynamics must be accentuated so that then they may be seen with clarity.

We suggest that the strongest and most effective approach when considering this is to remain centered within the heart as you consider other selves with seemingly offensive or even dangerous views of reality and, when possible, offer other selves the benefit of the doubt and recognize that, though they may seem stubborn, there is a shared willingness to release some level of personal attachment to a view of reality and come together. And if this is fostered and acknowledged and continuously touched upon in such seeking, it may grow and blossom as a flower in a garden that is given due attention and water.

(07-15-2021, 10:06 PM)Patrick Wrote: What has been announced over here already is that they won't lock down again if there is another wave in fall and instead they will require a proof of vaccination for access to non essential services. Like gyms, restaurants, theatres, stadiums, etc...

(07-16-2021, 01:59 PM)confusedseeker Wrote:

(07-15-2021, 10:06 PM)Patrick Wrote: What has been announced over here already is that they won't lock down again if there is another wave in fall and instead they will require a proof of vaccination for access to non essential services. Like gyms, restaurants, theatres, stadiums, etc...

That's a split society, more division.  I go to the gym religiously to maintain my health.

(07-16-2021, 06:07 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: My job has come out with a mandate for the vaccine.  I will likely lose my job because of it; they are making it very difficult to get an exemption (I'm seeking different doctors as of now).  I work in California and it's difficult.  I'm lucky I have retired parents I can go home to and live with, but what a touch situation for others who don't want to be injected.  My prospects for future jobs and supporting a family are probably in jeopardy, but I suppose the most important thing is I will be able to survive (due to my parents).  If anything, I will be closer to my family now, and will spend more time with my elderly father.

I'm just trying to take the positives right now.

(07-16-2021, 06:07 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: My job has come out with a mandate for the vaccine.  I will likely lose my job because of it; they are making it very difficult to get an exemption (I'm seeking different doctors as of now).  I work in California and it's difficult.  I'm lucky I have retired parents I can go home to and live with, but what a touch situation for others who don't want to be injected.  My prospects for future jobs and supporting a family are probably in jeopardy, but I suppose the most important thing is I will be able to survive (due to my parents).  If anything, I will be closer to my family now, and will spend more time with my elderly father.

I'm just trying to take the positives right now.

Quote:"My wife who has been working from home since May 2020 was given 2 options. Take the vaccine or be demoted to part time and remain a remote worker.

She refused both and replied with “fire me and put in writing the reason”.

They back peddled and she remains fully employed working remotely.

She called their bluff and the cowards backed off.

This might not be the result for all of us but it will be for some. Stand up and do not comply.

You are not alone"

(07-17-2021, 02:03 PM)canada_dry Wrote: Here's some data from Isreal, showing 80%+ of the covid cases are in the vaxxed population, indicating that the vaccination rate does not seem to impact the infection rate.

https://trialsitenews.com/covid-19-case-data-in-israel-a-troubling-trend/

(07-16-2021, 06:07 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: My job has come out with a mandate for the vaccine.  I will likely lose my job because of it; they are making it very difficult to get an exemption (I'm seeking different doctors as of now).  I work in California and it's difficult.  I'm lucky I have retired parents I can go home to and live with, but what a touch situation for others who don't want to be injected.  My prospects for future jobs and supporting a family are probably in jeopardy, but I suppose the most important thing is I will be able to survive (due to my parents).  If anything, I will be closer to my family now, and will spend more time with my elderly father.

I'm just trying to take the positives right now.

Quote:Furthermore, as these vaccines are not yet market authorized (licensed), coercion of human subjects to participate in medical experimentation is specifically forbidden. Therefore, public health policies which meet generally accepted criteria for coercion to participate in clinical research are forbidden.

(07-17-2021, 04:05 PM)Patrick Wrote: I don't find infection rate much relevant at this point. This is going to become like any other flu. Infections are not going to stop.

Vaccination protects very well against complications/hospitalization.

(07-18-2021, 04:25 PM)David_1 Wrote: The European Union database of adverse reactions to the COVID shots in European Union countries lists 17,503 deaths and 1,687,527 injuries with 837,588 injuries being serious.

https://www.adrreports.eu/en/index.html
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages
https://tinyurl.com/5ee6n9bu
https://tinyurl.com/9exjpam8
https://tinyurl.com/36y8d44p

(07-18-2021, 03:30 PM)canada_dry Wrote: also this graph shows significantly more severe cases in the vaccinated in Isreal.

https://imgur.com/a/J8yC1ep
(https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general)



63% of deaths in UK are now in the vaccinated. This is in contrast to 69% of population vaccinated. Data from July 9.
https://imgur.com/a/yxTN0Q6
(England technical briefing 18. Page 17.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001358/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf)

(07-19-2021, 05:17 AM)ada Wrote: Also
@the
If may I ask, are you perhaps forwarding most of these posts from other forums?

(07-19-2021, 05:08 AM)ada Wrote:

(07-18-2021, 03:30 PM)canada_dry Wrote: also this graph shows significantly more severe cases in the vaccinated in Isreal.

https://imgur.com/a/J8yC1ep
(https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general)



63% of deaths in UK are now in the vaccinated. This is in contrast to 69% of population vaccinated. Data from July 9.
https://imgur.com/a/yxTN0Q6
(England technical briefing 18. Page 17.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001358/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf)

The first graph doesn't represent what's in the datadashboard site, I couldn't find those statistics.
That image may well be fabricated, without a source anyone could make a graph like that and type anything. I am guessing you don't actually read Hebrew to understand what it was that you shared on the website.
But the data that your image showed is not there. If I do find it I will edit this post.

And regarding to new Delta cases in the UK, from within that briefing paper that you shared;