(05-09-2021, 11:11 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: The level of global anxiety is intense right now. We here are not above it, if anything, I'd say more susceptible, taking more of the brunt. Nerves are getting frayed. There's this really nasty dark inverted Saturnian/Piscean energy going around. It might be these HeylEl or whatever. It's bombarding Earth and we are getting hijacked by it. It's overly severe and scornful. It's like a grandmaster who uses way too much "stick", kills his pupil, and goes "f*** it he was a sinful impure weakling anyway". It's an energy that likes to rub salt in wounds, hold people to impossible standards, kick people when down, and make things overly difficult just for the satisfaction of watching watching lowly sinful humans writhe and suffer.

This energy represents none of us, but we are all capable of taking on this over-severity in short bursts. The Dark Hierophant judge. Lately It's caused me to be more irate and impatient and put up barriers to people in my daily life, simply because they are being difficult to deal with rather than supportive, because they are also under stress. I'm the one who needs to be supportive, open my heart, forgive, tolerate, and have patience. I'm the one that needs to not hold others to impossible standards.

Let's all be wary of being sniped by a burst or stint of this crappy archetypal energy.

(05-09-2021, 04:49 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: Does it matter?...

(05-09-2021, 04:49 PM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: ...Does any amount of 'data' matter?...

(05-09-2021, 05:03 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: In a weird way I'm actually kind of...relieved? The last year and a half has woken me up to spirituality and positive/negative energy more than I EVER could have imagined.  I went from borderline Atheist/nihilist to...."wow, there is definitely something else going on here."

(05-09-2021, 08:29 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(05-09-2021, 05:03 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: In a weird way I'm actually kind of...relieved? The last year and a half has woken me up to spirituality and positive/negative energy more than I EVER could have imagined.  I went from borderline Atheist/nihilist to...."wow, there is definitely something else going on here."

That is indeed the greatest thing about all the cage shaking going on. It really promotes critical thinking and shakes people loose.

From there a whole new panorama of possibilities opens up for the person.

(05-08-2021, 02:45 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(05-08-2021, 10:07 AM)Graemett Wrote: Patrick makes a good point that, If we are controlled by STS folks, it wouldn't be through a vaccine, it would be subliminal mind control through media to behave a certain way...

Yes and it is what we are observing. The very fabric of our societies has a lot of negative teachings embedded in it already and web sites like bring4th are those places where people can come to find some positive inspiration.

The current disinformation campaign against vaccination can be traced back to their negative source. It is a very small number of people that are behind it. They have an obvious agenda of keeping the population sick and vulnerable to this and future viruses.

Since people are waking up, it's no longer enough to have the mainstream medias do the job. So many spiritual circles and many CT circles have let themselves become seduced by STS teachings of dichotomy.

They are trying to extinguish the voice of reason. Trying to understand how things are behaving inside our little sandbox (science) is pretty much the only protection we have against the lies and manipulation of the negatives. It makes it much harder for them to have their way with us.

So of course, that is what they are attacking. I could remain silent and let those seeds flourish on these forums, but I choose not to. I'll be a bit of a pita about it from now on I am afraid.

(05-11-2021, 07:31 AM)David_1 Wrote:    Some say, “Follow the science.”
   But many scientists and doctors that have spoken the truth have been banned and some murdered.  Only the “science” of lies will be promoted by those who wish to enslave others.
   Sadly, probably at least 70% of humanity is totally asleep, and do not realize what is intentionally being done to them.

(05-11-2021, 08:04 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: "It seems to me that if a debate is to happen that is fact based, observation based or based on data, then you can't simply ignore any of it at your whim. You should not also try to present data that is pulled out of thin air."

The reason why Patrick volunteered to be bring4th's guinea pig, is precisely because there was a deadlock upon whose "facts" to believe.

As a result, personal eye witness testimony and experimental subjects are the only recourse, given nobody can trust the other side's "scientists".

As a result, Patrick's recent behavior is not exactly convincing the people here in the past who talked about the wax having a deleterious effect on the SPIRIT portion of mind body spirit, that they were wrong.

(05-11-2021, 08:13 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: No, this is "are you gonna take the waxine" mega thread and related.

This is not the Patrick "you get to debate what I choose you get to talk about" thread.

(05-11-2021, 06:46 PM)Agua Wrote: A message from my b4 grave

There are a few things that I find strange about this whole debate, but one things strikes me especially:

This,is,a,spiritual forum, especially dedicated to the Ra material and the Quo channelings.
Rarely a debate goes without quoting,some parts of the Ra or Quo gospel.

This whole Covid thing and the vax especially seems to be one of the most important topics for humanity at this point in time.
The debate over the vax not only dividing this but seemingly most communities.

Wouldn’t it be the most obvious thing to ask Quo these questions?
There many channelings in the library with much less relevant questions!

Even if it’s just the students circle, why not ask a few questions?

questions like:

- is the vaccine safe and does nothing else than protect from the virus?

I am sure Quo would answer with a plain yes, as long as it’s all safe and has no other implications!

Other questions would be:

- does the vaccine compromise harvestability?
- does it have effects that influence or compromise ones spiritual development in this lifetime?
- does it have effects that exceed this incarnation?

It almost seems as if the channelers were afraid of the answers...

I am pretty sure Quo would not answer or rather say something,along „law of confusion“ if there were negative effects.

So why not ask these important questions?
Wouldn’t that be an area where you guys could use some guidance from your chosen authority in spiritual matters?

Just wondering...

(05-11-2021, 06:46 PM)Agua Wrote: A message from my b4 grave

There are a few things that I find strange about this whole debate, but one things strikes me especially:

This,is,a,spiritual forum, especially dedicated to the Ra material and the Quo channelings.
Rarely a debate goes without quoting,some parts of the Ra or Quo gospel.

This whole Covid thing and the vax especially seems to be one of the most important topics for humanity at this point in time.
The debate over the vax not only dividing this but seemingly most communities.

Wouldn’t it be the most obvious thing to ask Quo these questions?
There many channelings in the library with much less relevant questions!

Even if it’s just the students circle, why not ask a few questions?

questions like:

- is the vaccine safe and does nothing else than protect from the virus?

I am sure Quo would answer with a plain yes, as long as it’s all safe and has no other implications!

Other questions would be:

- does the vaccine compromise harvestability?
- does it have effects that influence or compromise ones spiritual development in this lifetime?
- does it have effects that exceed this incarnation?

It almost seems as if the channelers were afraid of the answers...

I am pretty sure Quo would not answer or rather say something,along „law of confusion“ if there were negative effects.

So why not ask these important questions?
Wouldn’t that be an area where you guys could use some guidance from your chosen authority in spiritual matters?

Just wondering...

Quote:26.36 Questioner: Then I am assuming all of the UFO groups who were getting telepathic contact from the Confederation were, shall we say, high-priority targets for the Orion crusaders, and I would assume that a large percentage of them were, shall we say, had their information polluted then. Can you tell me, do you have any idea what percentage of these groups were heavily polluted by the Orion information and if any of them were able to remain purely a Confederation channel?

Ra: I am Ra. To give you this information would be to infringe upon the free will or confusion of some living. We can only ask each group to consider the relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. It is not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences. It is the importance placed upon it.

This is why we iterate quite often, when asked for specific information, that it pales to insignificance, just as the grass withers and dies while the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator redounds to the very infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself in perpetuity.

Why then be concerned with the grass that blooms, withers and dies in its season only to grow once again due to the infinite love and light of the One Creator? This is the message we bring. Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to beingness.

(05-11-2021, 07:13 PM)Scah Wrote:

(05-11-2021, 06:46 PM)Agua Wrote: A message from my b4 grave

There are a few things that I find strange about this whole debate, but one things strikes me especially:

This,is,a,spiritual forum, especially dedicated to the Ra material and the Quo channelings.
Rarely a debate goes without quoting,some parts of the Ra or Quo gospel.

This whole Covid thing and the vax especially seems to be one of the most important topics for humanity at this point in time.
The debate over the vax not only dividing this but seemingly most communities.

Wouldn’t it be the most obvious thing to ask Quo these questions?
There many channelings in the library with much less relevant questions!

Even if it’s just the students circle, why not ask a few questions?

questions like:

- is the vaccine safe and does nothing else than protect from the virus?

I am sure Quo would answer with a plain yes, as long as it’s all safe and has no other implications!

Other questions would be:

- does the vaccine compromise harvestability?
- does it have effects that influence or compromise ones spiritual development in this lifetime?
- does it have effects that exceed this incarnation?

It almost seems as if the channelers were afraid of the answers...

I am pretty sure Quo would not answer or rather say something,along „law of confusion“ if there were negative effects.

So why not ask these important questions?
Wouldn’t that be an area where you guys could use some guidance from your chosen authority in spiritual matters?

Just wondering...

Shouldn't the chosen authority in spiritual matters be oneself? Just wondering...

(05-11-2021, 07:52 PM)Agua Wrote: @Patrick
Personally, I found the Ra material inspiring and an interesting read, but they are not an authority for me, for various reasons.
I found the Quo channelings at times interesting, but considerably lower in quality, to be honest.
I do not put trust in Ras or Quo’s words, so there is no trust I could lose.
My comment was rather concerning the fact that both Ra and Quo seem to have a high relevance here.

Apart from that, I don’t need to be convinced, I received clear guidance for my personal path on this matter and that’s all I need.

(05-11-2021, 07:52 PM)Agua Wrote: @all

I am surprised how many „reasons“ speak against asking these questions.

Quote:The Confederation has mentioned many times that the simple act of asking such questions has magical charge

(05-12-2021, 11:17 AM)Diana Wrote:

Quote:The Confederation has mentioned many times that the simple act of asking such questions has magical charge

In this case, then isn't all questioning magical? I think so, as it takes an individual from one who just follows whatever the status quo is to one who is awakening to her/his own sense of discernment and therefore accountability and responsibility.