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STS Positive Polarity - SP1 - 10-13-2020
Do you think you can be STS and ascend to 4D positive?
I want to be STS but I don't want to enslave or hurt anyone.
I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
Am I doomed to go to 4D negative because I don't like people?
Also, I do not like the idea of a social memory complex.
Mind melding with others would be hell for me.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - BrotherInWaiting - 10-13-2020
You sound service to Others to me, even thinking about other humans and animals at all. Just a brain wave.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - Cannon - 10-13-2020
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: I can't force myself to love others.
I think the answer to this particular issue would be provided simply by polarizing positively. According to my understanding, the love one has for others increases when you serve without the expectation of recompense, so I see no reason why it wouldn't produce love for others within you, even though you don't feel anything right now.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - J.W. - 10-13-2020
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Do you think you can be STS and ascend to 4D positive?
I want to be STS but I don't want to enslave or hurt anyone.
I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
Am I doomed to go to 4D negative because I don't like people?
Also, I do not like the idea of a social memory complex.
Mind melding with others would be hell for me.
Well... From what I can see, and feel...
.... Is that you don't have to worry about this stuff right now SP1, you will probably going to need more "lessons" and "chances/opportunities" for you to choose your "path."
Enjoy life my friend, reincarnating into 3rd density again, and again... would probably be your primary concern right now. Unless, you truly want to "advance" into the next density.... and reflect on the "lessons" you currently have/had..
But... I don't sense this from you atm, right now... you are very focus on how "you" will end up, and you feel conflicted with your internal decision.
You want the good, but it has to be "selective" to your own "liking."
Your mentality of "It is what it is."
and "I can't force myself..." "Am I doomed..." etc. etc.
I believe there may be "lessons" in this lifetime that have addressed the mindset you have above... maybe looking back on it may help.
Hope this helps,
With much Light to you SP1.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - Minyatur - 10-14-2020
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Do you think you can be STS and ascend to 4D positive?
I want to be STS but I don't want to enslave or hurt anyone.
I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
Being STS is really about being polarized, so you'd have to want to go down the path of negative love which does not seem to be what you want. Just that you wish others well being and love animals is the opposite of what the negative path is about.
I also don't think there is value in forcing yourself to anything, it would create a counter-productive effect. Instead, it is through the course of our lives that we can have moments of realization that shift how we are and how we feel. You can't really force yourself to become in love with something, it is a slow process that can only occur naturally. Forcing it would only make apparent that it contains shadows and magnifies them before others, so there's really no purpose to rush anything. The challenge of loving others in 3D is confusion, as we struggle to just understand ourselves, it is then increasingly hard to really come to understand others. That is why faith is often referred to as of importance, because it is the surrendering of oneself beyond one's confusion.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Am I doomed to go to 4D negative because I don't like people?
Also, I do not like the idea of a social memory complex.
Mind melding with others would be hell for me.
I don't think that's the case. STS and STO are a bit misleading terms in my view, the material says it is what is more eloquent due our nature toward perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity, so STS is not just about serving yourself but the polarized fashion in which it is done in relation to others. In 3D, I think it is perfectly fine to need be centered on oneself and this will not create a leaning toward the negative path.
The forming of a social memory complex and melding of mind would not happen with our minds of now. It would be an entire new reality and one in which you probably would not have this resistance. Even if you did, you would have time to work upon it and progress within that density. 4D is not as cold as our reality is, so I think there is a natural leaning toward wanting to form a social memory complex there that we as humans do not have. 4D is not veiled like our density, so there we would be less confusion in regard to the nature of ourselves and others, allowing us to more easily recognize the inherent oneness that we share.
To me it sounds like you've been hurt by others and developed a mistrust that is hard to heal. A lot of people, myself included, find it a whole lot easier to bond with animals than with humans. Human interactions are complex and a whole lot mindful, while animals tend to bring us to our more basic emotions in a much more sincere fashion. I think how someone is and feels about animals is really a good indicator of which path they are leaning toward.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - Aion - 10-14-2020
Quote:67.11 Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?
Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. In your individual growth patterns appear the basic third-density choice. Further, there are overlaid memories of the positive polarizations of your home density. Thus your particular orientation is strongly polarized towards service to others and has attained wisdom as well as compassion.
You do not have merely two opposite requests for service. You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.
A portion, seemingly, of the Creator rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.
"To serve one is to serve all."
Don't worry about which part of the Creator you're loving and serving. Animals are a perfectly acceptable part to love and be of service to. There are other people who love humans.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - Diana - 10-14-2020
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Do you think you can be STS and ascend to 4D positive?
I want to be STS but I don't want to enslave or hurt anyone.
I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
I hear you.
It is very easy to not like, or want to be like, humankind for so many reasons. This struggle can be more of a general idea of the state of humanity, but many people have personal reasons for feeling disconnected from others.
I have found that one possible core of that conflict is forgiving one's own self for the ignorance or mistakes one makes before becoming aware of whatever one learning along the path of life. I don't mean that there is some mirror in place that points out you did something in the past that you dislike people for now. What I mean is that if you (meaning no one in particular) harbor disquiet, or shame, or wishes you did something differently in the past, this can create a subconscious mindset of blame. This blame then, which has manifested against self, is the lens from which—be it conscious or subconscious—you view the world. It colors everything.
The thing is, we evolve. As we evolve we become aware of more things. We can't blame ourselves (but we do) for things we weren't aware of before we became aware of them. When we look back and see things we did or said or even thought, from the viewpoint of now, it creates a conflict. This could apply not only to this life but "past" lives.
One example would be parenting. (I am not a parent so this is completely hypothetical.) Many parents had their children when they were young. There is no good child-rearing training in our culture. Parents wing it and do the best they can in most cases. Let's say a woman has a child when she is 18 years old. Let's also say this young woman wants a relationship, which at that age, is a very strong biological imperative. So maybe she (unintentionally) ignores the needs of her child in favor of dealing with a dysfunctional relationship with a boyfriend or even a husband. Now fast-forward to this woman being 40 years old, and she is looking back on where she went wrong raising her child because the child, now grown, has committed suicide.
The point here is that the 40-year-old has grown and matured and learned and evolved and become aware of many, many things, which the 18-year-old knew nothing of. This disparity creates a conflict which is difficult to resolve. And though intellectually one may be able to see the difference in awareness of the two different ages, it is a natural human reaction to feel regret or shame or to condemn one's self for not doing better. But the self could not have done better because it did not know better.
I feel that this concept, of conscious or subconscious guilt or shame toward self, is one thing that can keep people stuck in this rut of blaming others, or seeing humankind as a bunch of idiots or sheeple or (add any negative descriptor). To say "all is one," and "all is well" and "you need to forgive" and so on are surface ideas that may not penetrate to the deeper mind. But it is possible to recognize, at least intellectually, that the situation exists here of all of us being veiled, and the more we can absorb this idea, the more organically we may come to a more balanced state eventually moving away from being caught up in the maelstrom here.
Quote:80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?
Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - SP1 - 10-14-2020
Good point, I didn't consider that in 4D I would be different and maybe not have an aversion to a social memory complex.
(10-14-2020, 12:57 AM)Minyatur Wrote:(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Do you think you can be STS and ascend to 4D positive?
I want to be STS but I don't want to enslave or hurt anyone.
I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
Being STS is really about being polarized, so you'd have to want to go down the path of negative love which does not seem to be what you want. Just that you wish others well being and love animals is the opposite of what the negative path is about.
I also don't think there is value in forcing yourself to anything, it would create a counter-productive effect. Instead, it is through the course of our lives that we can have moments of realization that shift how we are and how we feel. You can't really force yourself to become in love with something, it is a slow process that can only occur naturally. Forcing it would only make apparent that it contains shadows and magnifies them before others, so there's really no purpose to rush anything. The challenge of loving others in 3D is confusion, as we struggle to just understand ourselves, it is then increasingly hard to really come to understand others. That is why faith is often referred to as of importance, because it is the surrendering of oneself beyond one's confusion.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Am I doomed to go to 4D negative because I don't like people?
Also, I do not like the idea of a social memory complex.
Mind melding with others would be hell for me.
I don't think that's the case. STS and STO are a bit misleading terms in my view, the material says it is what is more eloquent due our nature toward perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity, so STS is not just about serving yourself but the polarized fashion in which it is done in relation to others. In 3D, I think it is perfectly fine to need be centered on oneself and this will not create a leaning toward the negative path.
The forming of a social memory complex and melding of mind would not happen with our minds of now. It would be an entire new reality and one in which you probably would not have this resistance. Even if you did, you would have time to work upon it and progress within that density. 4D is not as cold as our reality is, so I think there is a natural leaning toward wanting to form a social memory complex there that we as humans do not have. 4D is not veiled like our density, so there we would be less confusion in regard to the nature of ourselves and others, allowing us to more easily recognize the inherent oneness that we share.
To me it sounds like you've been hurt by others and developed a mistrust that is hard to heal. A lot of people, myself included, find it a whole lot easier to bond with animals than with humans. Human interactions are complex and a whole lot mindful, while animals tend to bring us to our more basic emotions in a much more sincere fashion. I think how someone is and feels about animals is really a good indicator of which path they are leaning toward.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - Patrick - 10-15-2020
It's impossible to be STS without it being at the expense of others. Selfishness is not STS. Although it can help to be in the proper mindset to exploit others for our own benefits.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - Infinite - 10-18-2020
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
You are just blocked. Working on yourself can one day open you up more and more and start seeing reality in a completely new way.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: I can't force myself to love others.
No. This is the good and difficult part of the STO path. You can't use willpower to love others. But you can use it to seek for that love. So don't think in terms of forcing or not, but trying to understand what that love means.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Am I doomed to go to 4D negative because I don't like people?
No. You would have to be a lot more negative to have a minimal chance of going to a negative 4D planet.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Also, I do not like the idea of a social memory complex.
Mind melding with others would be hell for me.
Yes, one more feature of possible blockages. The inability to open up to others. Don't worry about it now. Meditate a lot and try to find a path. When you're ready, look back and realize that your fears never made sense and that you just needed a prospective bride to finally live the real life. Evolution is about a transformation, a new and elevated being is born and the third density ego, the one who sees everything from a limited perspective, becomes the past.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - KaliSouth - 10-18-2020
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Do you think you can be STS and ascend to 4D positive?
I want to be STS but I don't want to enslave or hurt anyone.
I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
Am I doomed to go to 4D negative because I don't like people?
Also, I do not like the idea of a social memory complex.
Mind melding with others would be hell for me.
You don't sound negative/STS, SP1.
I have compassion for other humans but I don't particularly like most of them. They seem a bit ignorant to me and they've messed up the planet with their constant need to procreate and consume, so the Creator will have to excuse my lack of interest beyond compassion for the poor and vulnerable.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - Louisabell - 10-21-2020
It is easy to confuse others with their "illusionary husks", making it difficult to find acceptance.
Quote:80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?
Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.
SP1 Wrote:I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
Wishing everyone well being is loving them. What further emotions are neccessary?
RE: STS Positive Polarity - JJCarsonian - 10-21-2020
I don't think you'd ever be able to graduate to 4D negative, without the mindset and rationalization of stomping on others to get what you want.
That being said, there may be many reasons why you don't like people, one being the common Earth soul doesn't resonate with you.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Do you think you can be STS and ascend to 4D positive?
I want to be STS but I don't want to enslave or hurt anyone.
I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
Am I doomed to go to 4D negative because I don't like people?
Also, I do not like the idea of a social memory complex.
Mind melding with others would be hell for me.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - meadow-foreigner - 10-24-2020
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Do you think you can be STS and ascend to 4D positive?
First of all, for the sake of mutual understanding, let's clarify the meaning of the already distorted terms STS and STO:
• STS: Service To Self. The idea or belief that The Universe Itself is merely Serving Its Self with The Creation, and that everything that happens is simply a consequence of this "ultimate" selfish act.
Sounds almost reasonable. Big problem with this reasoning: it overlooks the fractal implications that other-selves have in the whole picture, effectively prescinding the Infinite Possibilities of a balanced association with other-Selves and the consequent Intelligence that stems from such dynamic.
• STO: Service To Others. The idea or belief that The Universe Itself is comprised of infinite individualized scintilla of God, therefore the more one serve other beings in The Creation, the more one is serving God and ultimately one's own self, for are we not all one? Such is the premise of the Law of One.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: I want to be STS but I don't want to enslave or hurt anyone.
You don't have to enslave or hurt to be STS. You can simply overlook the service to others when they request you, based on the premise that you are so more worthy than others. Concepts such as honor, duty, and morals are all associated with this mindset.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: I wish everyone well being.
There's a difference in wishing everyone well as long as they don't cross you, and ultimately wishing every single part of The Creator well.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
Since you're at this forum I assume you're at least inclined to evolve. So, let me break down this for you:
Your stance towards people and animals is a classic indicator of a STS mentality. How easy is to love simpler beings that can't confront you? Typical hierarchical, pyramidal, and obsolete mentality, which values certain beings as more worthy than others.
Furthermore, as part of the human race, you are made of the same stuff as the people you don't allow yourself to nurture feelings to. In fact, you're simply avoiding having to deal with the nurture of feelings to other human selves because of your lack of wholesomeness within your Self. Because you're fragmented within, you avoid the nurture of feelings to other-Selves as a projection of the avoidance of feelings to your own Self.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
Love is not forced, simply realized. When you realize you're made of love, you may then allow yourself to love yourself, which in turn will unblock your relations to other-Selves.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Am I doomed to go to 4D negative because I don't like people?
Also, I do not like the idea of a social memory complex.
Mind melding with others would be hell for me.
With such mindset the more probable outcome for you is the 3D repeating cycle. Yellow ray unblocking is the pre-requisite to 4D graduation, and this means to love every other being in relation to the Self, while also loving the Self, in equilibrium.
Now, can you reconcile the idea that your Self and other-Selves are already part of a Social Memory Complex?
RE: STS Positive Polarity - flofrog - 10-24-2020
(10-24-2020, 07:48 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
Love is not forced, simply realized. When you realize you're made of love, you may then allow yourself to love yourself, which in turn will unblock your relations to other-Selves.
Now, can you reconcile the idea that your Self and other-Selves are already part of a Social Memory Complex?
So wise , meadow,
RE: STS Positive Polarity - SP1 - 10-27-2020
Key word: resonate.
That is so true.
(10-21-2020, 11:39 PM)JJCarsonian Wrote: I don't think you'd ever be able to graduate to 4D negative, without the mindset and rationalization of stomping on others to get what you want.
That being said, there may be many reasons why you don't like people, one being the common Earth soul doesn't resonate with you.
(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Do you think you can be STS and ascend to 4D positive?
I want to be STS but I don't want to enslave or hurt anyone.
I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
Am I doomed to go to 4D negative because I don't like people?
Also, I do not like the idea of a social memory complex.
Mind melding with others would be hell for me.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - SP1 - 10-27-2020
(10-21-2020, 10:16 PM)Louisabell Wrote: It is easy to confuse others with their "illusionary husks", making it difficult to find acceptance.
Quote:80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?
Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.
SP1 Wrote:I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
Wishing everyone well being is loving them. What further emotions are neccessary?
I am starting a new thread on defining love. Because I am not sure what it means in the context of 4D.
RE: STS Positive Polarity - SP1 - 10-27-2020
(10-18-2020, 12:57 PM)KaliSouth Wrote:(10-13-2020, 05:27 PM)SP1 Wrote: Do you think you can be STS and ascend to 4D positive?
I want to be STS but I don't want to enslave or hurt anyone.
I wish everyone well being.
I just don't have feelings for people.
I only have emotions for animals.
It is what it is.
I can't force myself to love others.
Am I doomed to go to 4D negative because I don't like people?
Also, I do not like the idea of a social memory complex.
Mind melding with others would be hell for me.
You don't sound negative/STS, SP1.
I have compassion for other humans but I don't particularly like most of them. They seem a bit ignorant to me and they've messed up the planet with their constant need to procreate and consume, so the Creator will have to excuse my lack of interest beyond compassion for the poor and vulnerable.