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Throat Chakra Blockage? - taylor - 09-17-2020
I have spent a considerable amount of idle free time researching/learning the LOO. For a while, I have been staying up reading the Ra material, these forums and other spiritual resources.
Today I woke up with an incredibly "stiff" neck. I wouldn't really call it stiff, I have full range of motion, and it's not a sharp pain like I have gotten in the past from sleeping "wrong." The back of my neck and the muscles around it feel extremely exhausted. Could this be some sort of Throat Chakra blockage from consuming too much material too fast and not allowing myself to process it?
I know Ra has cautioned about trying to "progress" too fast. Is that what I am doing?
Or, is this not related and I just slept wrong or something? Although, I always tend to sleep in the same position. So, idk... hence why I'm asking.
Any advice/suggestions would be much appreciated! Thanks!
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-17-2020
I am currently working on blue-ray for myself and yes I do get stiff jaw, stiff neck and tension headaches. It could very well be that we are going too fast. But I suspect the underlying cause is that the catalysts are not sufficiently well processed by the mind and so it filters down to the body.
Daily meditations are slowly pointing out the particular catalysts that might be responsible. As well as a session with an energetic healer. But my problem at the moment is that if it is what is seems to be, I don't really want to change on these matters.
At least not yet. So then of course it's not processed mentally and comes out as aches in the body.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Ymarsakar - 09-17-2020
First clear your aura and attachments.
If you need help, check my response there. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=18521
Course there are self videos.
Consider this a test. If you pass, you get elevated. You can do not well or even give up.
I dont know exactly what is going on, but patrick has some experience with a similar encounter
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - flofrog - 09-17-2020
Taylor I would say too much research, but at the same time.. your questions are really interesting , your approach very clear and your reactions as smart as your questions.. lol so I think your mental is functioning awfully well, lol.. perhaps a little rest and more meditation, just my two cents
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - sillypumpkins - 09-18-2020
Throat chakra blockages have been relatively consistent for me for the last few years. Personally, I find that blue-ray blockages occur when I'm not acknowledging catalyst, or when I hold back and don't say something when maybe that's what I wanted to do. Like, when I "muzzle" myself, it tends to happen.
That's my experience with blue ray blockages
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-18-2020
This is what my chakras looks like at the moment.
I am having difficulties properly listening to others. I also need to work on honesty. I use defensive lying too much. My self honesty is OK though. But mostly it is about learning to become a better more present and focused listener. This work should result in less stiffness of those muscles eventually.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Diana - 09-19-2020
I think blue ray, or anything concerning the neck, has to do with speaking your truth.
On a physiological level, if there already is an underlying issue in a particular area such as the throat/neck/jaw, then any stress may manifest there because that is the area where tension is already trapped, and the body naturally follows the established conditions. You may notice that when tensed or stressed, your shoulders hunch up, or you clench your jaw, or your posture collapses in that area. So it may very well be that too much study could manifest tension, but it doesn't necessarily follow that too much study is a blue ray issue, though it could be.
Many people are repressed or not in touch with speaking their truth, and I also think this is more common in women for various reasons—one being racial memory, part of the roots of the mind, as women (and the female principle) were repressed for so many centuries. It is doubly difficult for those whose philosophies fall outside of the established societal modes of thinking (if you can call some of it thinking).
The idea is to balance that area energetically. But while you work on that, you can do what you can to keep the physical body optimized as much as possible. Good posture both sitting and standing/walking, stretching, and some form of exercise is helpful.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - unity100 - 09-19-2020
You should always suspect physical situations and take care of the body first, before looking into mental, then looking into spiritual reasons for any such situation.
You may have basically slept in a wrong way while in deep sleep and ended up having your neck sore. You may have stayed in an uncomfortable position during the day without noticing and then ended up the same. Your jaw, neck muscles may be tense for many reasons.
First check out these potential issues, make sure they do not affect you, then wander into mental situations if they are not an indicator.
body -> mind -> spirit is the way experience and energy flows in experiential reality.
spirit -> mind -> body is the way which spiritual inflowing energy flows.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 01:15 PM)unity100 Wrote: ...
body -> mind -> spirit is the way experience and energy flows in experiential reality.
...
But then why does Ra mention that if a catalyst (experience) is not handled in the mind it is given to the body to process (same for unhandled spirit catalyst being given to the mind) ?
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Ymarsakar - 09-19-2020
(09-19-2020, 02:54 PM)Patrick Wrote:(09-19-2020, 01:15 PM)unity100 Wrote: ...
body -> mind -> spirit is the way experience and energy flows in experiential reality.
...
But then why does Ra mention that if a catalyst (experience) is not handled in the mind it is given to the body to process (same for unhandled spirit catalyst being given to the mind) ?
The body remembers via dna. It remembers what your grandfather did and looked like.
Mind has memory. Spirit has divine memory
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-19-2020
"...find love within truth..."
That seems obvious one might say. Yet it is one of the things that seriously eludes me. It is related with Throat Chakra balancing. There is love in the moment and so there is love in that kind of truth as well.
Part of my defensive lying is to prevent hurting others. This attitude lacks wisdom.
Which form does this wisdom take in order to find love in truth in this kind of catalyst ?
Quote:101.8 Questioner: Thank you. Could Ra give information on any way that we could give information to Greta Woodrew as to how to alleviate her present condition of swelling?
Ra: I am Ra. We may only suggest that the honor of propinquity to light carries with it the Law of Responsibility. The duty to refrain from contumely, discord, and all things which, when unresolved within, make way for workings lies before the instrument of which you speak. This entity may, if it is desired by the scribe, share our comments upon the working of the latter entity.
The entity which is given constant and unremitting approval by those surrounding it suffers from the loss of the mirroring effect of those which reflect truthfully rather than unquestioningly. This is not a suggestion to reinstate judgment but merely a suggestion for all those supporting instruments; that is, support, be harmonious, share in love, joy, and thanksgiving, but find love within truth, for each instrument benefits from this support more than from the total admiration which overcomes discrimination.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Ymarsakar - 09-20-2020
If there are no good things to say or communicate, then I stay silent.
This seems difficult for humans, as police interrogations have shown. When they feel certain emotions, they begin talking, just to relieve the pressure. The self contained entity, can become silent and refuse to act. This is their Will, and cannot be overridden once they achieve a certain level.
The nearest practical example would be the wanderer/human Yeshua of Nazareth. The Nazarene. When asked to justify his innocence, he refused and remained silent. For the most part. He had already asked Heavenly Father, his high self or Sananda, and he received Divine Will. And he accepted it. What was there to say to humans after?
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-20-2020
Yeah, learning to use the option of remaining silent more often, would be a great first step. I'll work on that. Baby steps !
Then I can eventually learn to more skillfully listen to and speak this inner voice, that can only be heard in slilence, that already knows the best way to say what the other needs to hear in truth.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Ymarsakar - 09-20-2020
(09-20-2020, 12:03 PM)Patrick Wrote:
Yeah, learning to use the option of remaining silent more often, would be a great first step. I'll work on that. Baby steps !
Then I can eventually learn to more skillfully listen to and speak this inner voice, that can only be heard in slilence, that already knows the best way to say what the other needs to hear in truth.
That quiet still voice is often called holy spirit or source.
Watching tv is enough to jam it. Meditation is popular for that.
My verify process is simple. If i get an idea or action and i can figure it out, this is my own idea or download. If i cannot comprehend it, then it was holy spirit of godhead, ie source.
My direct channel and spiritual capacity feels more like a telepathic union, similar to council of saturn or kryon s melding. Whomever controls or speaks through this avatar is now variable. Sometimes it is my higher self. Other times, it is my quantum selves. Less and less, it is ymar over the years.
Counter: what is the difference netween spiritual awakening and madness?
Y: .... which one of us are you asking?
Hehe
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-20-2020
The challenge then is to hear and speak that voice while you are interacting with someone in real time. We are basically learning to channel the less distorted Creator. We are learning to hollow ourselves so that the real us (the Creator) can speak through the physical instrument that we are.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Glow - 09-20-2020
(09-19-2020, 08:16 PM)Patrick Wrote: "...find love within truth..."
That seems obvious one might say. Yet it is one of the things that seriously eludes me. It is related with Throat Chakra balancing. There is love in the moment and so there is love in that kind of truth as well.
Part of my defensive lying is to prevent hurting others. This attitude lacks wisdom.
Which form does this wisdom take in order to find love in truth in this kind of catalyst ?
Quote:101.8 Questioner: Thank you. Could Ra give information on any way that we could give information to Greta Woodrew as to how to alleviate her present condition of swelling?
Ra: I am Ra. We may only suggest that the honor of propinquity to light carries with it the Law of Responsibility. The duty to refrain from contumely, discord, and all things which, when unresolved within, make way for workings lies before the instrument of which you speak. This entity may, if it is desired by the scribe, share our comments upon the working of the latter entity.
The entity which is given constant and unremitting approval by those surrounding it suffers from the loss of the mirroring effect of those which reflect truthfully rather than unquestioningly. This is not a suggestion to reinstate judgment but merely a suggestion for all those supporting instruments; that is, support, be harmonious, share in love, joy, and thanksgiving, but find love within truth, for each instrument benefits from this support more than from the total admiration which overcomes discrimination.
What kind of things are you lying about to spare others?
I have found often when people do this thinking they are sparing another’s feelings but it leaks out in other ways. Dishonesty is a lack of intimacy so in close relationships that is one way it could leak into the relationship in a still destructive manner. Resentment or closing off parts of self from another are other ways.
Of course there are things that are hurtful and are sort of superficial so need not be let lose on the otherself because it’s really about the one lying not the one being lied too.
I wonder if you have tried balancing these kind of things so you aren’t feeling stuck between lying or hurting someone.
Sorry I’m not trying to pry if you’d rather not. I just remember carrying lies. It doesn’t feel good.
I lied as a kid (6 years old) In an attempt to feel less shame about my life and childhood family. It felt great to relieve that shame and feeling of being unloved in the moment but holy hell it took on a life of its own.
Unfortunately once the hole was dug(the lie) I couldn’t get out of it, and it spiraled. It was a really impactful catylist.
As a result I have an extreme aversion to lying and will only do so for safety reason, generally an otherselvrs safety.
I might or might not be able to help you think your way through things so you do not have to. No promises but I’m willing to try.
Of course with no context I might be stepping blindly and be completely unhelpful.
Also if the lie to spare another’s feelings are judgements of them, just opening the heart more in understanding usually will solve that on its own. That’s my go to.
Sorry if this came off rude or intrusive. Feel like this is a should I shouldn’t I comment but it is a blue ray thread so here it goes.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Glow - 09-20-2020
(09-20-2020, 12:18 PM)Patrick Wrote:
The challenge then is to hear and speak that voice while you are interacting with someone in real time. We are basically learning to channel the less distorted Creator. We are learning to hollow ourselves so that the real us (the Creator) can speak through the physical instrument that we are.
I have people I associate with that I litterally pray for that help before I pick up the phone when I see it’s them calling or as im walking towards them in person. To the point with some that I’ve ask that my own consciousness step aside the let whatever you call the less distorted creator speak through you.
In those cases I am always glad I asked for the help because it always works out much better than expected.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-20-2020
The lying is more indirect than that. For example, if someone else believe they should control a part of my life, something that does not affect them at all and really is only on me. Yet they feel that they have an opinion on what is best for me. I might lie in such instances. The lie prevents me from having to explain myself, yet again. It prevents me from having to defend my freewill using more energy and distortions to basically reach the same goal that the lying achieved.
Now that being said, I know this shortcut is not in the best interests of both the people involved. I chose it nonetheless for being so much more comfortable. And obviously this catalyst then continues to present itself because I am not making good use of it.
Imagine if the only way to be yourself without lying is to anger someone else. So you believe you only have two choices, either lie or do not be yourself.
I was ok with this, because I was working on other things. But now I am ready to process this catalyst and I am discovering that I really am a coward.
There is no solution that comes to me intellectually on how to do this without making the other person angry all the time.
So the solution will come from the heart. I will set my intent, which I have, and the rest will follow, which it is currently doing. Hence our current exchange is part of that process that is unfolding.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Glow - 09-20-2020
(09-20-2020, 01:48 PM)Patrick Wrote: The lying is more indirect than that. For example, if someone else believe they should control a part of my life, something that does not affect them at all and really is only on me. Yet they feel that they have an opinion on what is best for me. I might lie in such instances. The lie prevents me from having to explain myself, yet again. It prevents me from having to defend my freewill using more energy and distortions to basically reach the same goal that the lying achieved.
Now that being said, I know this shortcut is not in the best interests of both the people involved. I chose it nonetheless for being so much more comfortable. And obviously this catalyst then continues to present itself because I am not making good use of it.
Imagine if the only way to be yourself without lying is to anger someone else. So you believe you only have two choices, either lie or do not be yourself.
I was ok with this, because I was working on other things. But now I am ready to process this catalyst and I am discovering that I really am a coward.
There is no solution that comes to me intellectually on how to do this without making the other person angry all the time.
So the solution will come from the heart. I will set my intent, which I have, and the rest will follow, which it is currently doing. Hence our current exchange is part of that process that is unfolding.
Ohhhh I know someone else who’s been going through this for decades.
Seems super rough especially if you value them in your life despite this catylist. My friend who deals with this has several relationships with this feature.
In that regard for him I always think their are two catylist present in these situations. The one you point out, then also learning the ability to accept others as they are even when they cannot extend that to you. That’s a pretty cool growth direction too.
I figure facing the latter which maybe you are, at the expense of having to keep part of yourself in shadow to them is still growth. I wouldn’t be to hard on yourself.
Just maybe eventually you will find some people it may take work but they will accept what you’ve been not fully transparent about and others maybe it’ll never be worth it to be transparent. That’s ok. It’s still love.
We don’t come here to be perfect. I honestly think it’s impossible we just make the best choices we can for each crazy moment. I’m sure you are doing that.
For the record I haven’t had great bonds from my youth so I have always chosen transparency over continuation of connection if I had to make a choice.
Seems now I am having to learning to be less transparent to one or two in order to maintain the bond, because I value the people and accept where they are even if they cannot offer the same acceptance of my full truth.
I guess all lessons of love have to be faced. We just get them in different orders.
Good luck from what I have seen it’s difficult from the position you are in, if it’s like the situation my friend has let me peer into.
Thanks for sharing
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-20-2020
This other self and my self are learning so much from each others. I would not want the relationship to stop and it seems my other self has the same wish. But my guess is that they might also be ready to work with that catalyst and that is why I am now wishing to work on this. Maybe I was waiting for them to be ready more than to be ready myself.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Ymarsakar - 09-20-2020
Heart compassion, link to solar plexus courage, then link to blue ray cyan expression.
If i had not received red yellow chakra cultivation, i would not go against 8 billion humans.
Over decades, as my courage improved, i too more risks. But all needed more heart chakra.
Patrick has a good amount of green and blue, but the yellow is not sufficient. Yellow is solar plexus. Mastery of physical power.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Sacred Fool - 09-20-2020
(09-20-2020, 01:48 PM)Patrick Wrote: The lying is more indirect than that. For example, if someone else believe they should control a part of my life, something that does not affect them at all and really is only on me. Yet they feel that they have an opinion on what is best for me. I might lie in such instances. The lie prevents me from having to explain myself, yet again. It prevents me from having to defend my freewill using more energy and distortions to basically reach the same goal that the lying achieved.Sometimes it's possible to hold a mirror up to a person so they can objectively see their actions, and sometimes this gets them to reconsider. For instance, "I know you mean well, but have you considered that your saying such things might be intruding too much into my business and not leaving me enough space to make my own decisions?" In this way you can become active (not a passive victim) and preserve some measure of your dignity.
Imagine if the only way to be yourself without lying is to anger someone else. So you believe you only have two choices, either lie or do not be yourself.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-20-2020
(09-20-2020, 05:13 PM)peregrine Wrote: Sometimes it's possible to hold a mirror up to a person so they can objectively see their actions, and sometimes this gets them to reconsider. For instance, "I know you mean well, but have you considered that your saying such things might be intruding too much into my business and not leaving me enough space to make my own decisions?" In this way you can become active (not a passive victim) and preserve some measure of your dignity.
We are going to get there. But there is some preliminary work required. For now this person does not accept criticism of any kind and is working on that and on patience also, among other things. So for me to be a good mirror of truth at this time would not end well. I am curious of what form my communication will look like when I can have a more honest exchange.
I am learning to let myself show/say the effect some of this has on me. At least this way the other have an opportunity to notice.
I am also beginning to feel that sometimes I should let a little bit of irritation transpire, maybe even a bit of anger. Because this other is unconsciously trying to anger at times and I wonder if it would be better to let them have what is "requested" of me even if just a little when it is appropriate.
I am very rarely angry (at least noticeably) and I have been told that when I do let a bit of anger show that this shocks people. It shocks them in a good way, it forces them to stop and think. If I were to always react like "normal" people and get angry all the time, my anger would not have that effect.
Since my nature in this incarnation is to be a good-natured softy.
I am wondering if that is part of balancing compassion with wisdom. That maybe a tiny bit of anger might be wise in some specific cases when the other is unconsciously wanting/needing this from me.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Sacred Fool - 09-20-2020
(09-20-2020, 08:02 PM)Patrick Wrote: Since my nature in this incarnation is to be a good-natured softy.
I might suggest that the wisdom element in this could have to do with more clearly perceiving what's true rather than trying to force good feelings out of an unkind situation. For instance, you are rather rigidly (it could seem to some) putting this other person's needs before your own. You might want to ask yourself, at what level are their needs and at what level are my needs and what does the truth of the matter demand? Maybe needs are being expressed at a survival level or a need-to-control-due-to-greed level or social insecurity, etc.? Maybe the situation calls for more distance between you? I'm just tossing all this out to say that the role of wisdom might be to inform your heart as to the woven structure of things to allow it to better guide you? Sorting through more deeply your own motivations and theirs might be helpful when trying to determine your deepest desires in this relationship, as compared with being merely pleasantly deferential.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-20-2020
Our relationship is going much smoother than what it might look like from what I described. It is not toxic and I see no benefits from distance, on the contrary. Those things that needs attention and work are well balanced by many virtues and like I said we learn so much from each others. We are complementary at about 90 degrees. For example, decades ago I was a master at procrastination. I have since then become much more balanced on this (not there yet but...). I learned to be able to say no as well from this teach/learner. Stuff like that. Anyway, the kind of action/reaction I described happens maybe once a week and are really tiny things that I suspect most people would not bother to try to correct. Our relationship is already pretty authentic. But after so many years interacting, I believe we are ready for even more authenticity. We are ready for me to stop these tiny lies and see what that leads us. Not on day one of course, this stoppage will be progressive. Because like I said, the biggest issue for this work is the lack of acceptance of criticism. So we'll start there. Yes to get to the authenticity we have at the moment with this issue of criticism was challenging but there was no intention on moving on that front before now. And I have always respected/accepted that even if I felt the need to resort to tiny defensive lying. Thank you for sharing your opinions. It is always welcomed!
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Ymarsakar - 09-20-2020
I also forgot to mention that I once did a vow of silence, mimicking Indian seekers, when I got angry and couldn't communicate due to a translation issue.
By containing my communication and looping it back on myself, I gained greater control of the Mars energy, somehow. And it untangled itself. Instead of thinking through the lens of the anger, I was able to think through the 5th/throat chakra instead. It was like I was communicating with myself telepathically, because I had given up control of my voice. That was the first time I tried the "vow of silence" thing for a few hours, and I noticed it had interesting benefits.
Instead of that annoying buzz when I saw the person I was angry at and unable to control my thoughts (while still controlling my actions, which was not enough for me, I wanted complete control of my thoughts and ego as well), what I saw after an hour or two of the silence vow, was complete stillness. I was still angry, but it was like there was two of me now. One objective observer.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Learner - 09-21-2020
(09-18-2020, 01:21 PM)Patrick Wrote:
This is what my chakras looks like at the moment.
I am having difficulties properly listening to others. I also need to work on honesty. I use defensive lying too much. My self honesty is OK though. But mostly it is about learning to become a better more present and focused listener. This work should result in less stiffness of those muscles eventually.
Hi Patrick, how do you generate a chakra chart like that? Thanks!
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Patrick - 09-21-2020
(09-21-2020, 02:32 AM)Learner Wrote: Hi Patrick, how do you generate a chakra chart like that? Thanks!
It is probably not super accurate. It's just based on questions. Here is the link.
https://seventhlifepath.com/chakra-test/
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - MrWho - 02-18-2021
This is not a blue ray blockage. Back neck stiffness is caused by stress. Red, orange and yellow ray of survival and desire and identity.
"I hate being told/telling others to do this" "I dont want to work anymore" "I hate my life" Thoughts like this.
Left or right side determines if it is self or other self oriented. If your energy matrix is like most others that is. (Sometimes it is switched)
"I want this" or "I accept this" helps a lot. Whatever it is you are resisting.
You can accept aspects of your life that you do not like. Be humble about them. Yet still desire to improve them. Or find peace about it.
It isn't all or nothing. You have free agency and choice.
RE: Throat Chakra Blockage? - Agua - 02-19-2021
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