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If this is an experiment... - taylor - 09-10-2020 Hello everyone, I am new to this forum, as well as to The Law of One. I am still progressing through the books/sessions and have a lot to learn!! One question that remains in the back of my mind while reading the text is: If this is an experiment put on by the One Creator in order to learn more about him/her/it-self, and the Third Density (what we're in now) is all about Free Will and making the "correct" choice of "Service-to-Others," why do we have contact with entities of a higher density that are assisting/informing us to making the "correct" choice? To me, and please correct me if I'm wrong, it seems like that removes (at least some) of the Free Will and Self-Discovery that the experiment was intended to reveal about the One Creator. Thanks in advance for any replies. I look forward to learning/discussing this topic and The Law of One in general. -Taylor RE: If this is an experiment... - David_1 - 09-10-2020 Consider the parents of a two year old child. They encourage the child to make good choices. The Creator is love. Perhaps encouragement is what we need. RE: If this is an experiment... - J.W. - 09-10-2020 (09-10-2020, 03:09 PM)taylor Wrote: Hello everyone, Welcome Taylor, glad to hear you are progressing through your journey for more knowledge. To answer your question, 1. Your perception of "existence" as an "experiment" is in my opinion not quite correct. This is an "experience" yes, but to say it is an "experiment" is to look at existence as a "project" to "test" for a desired or possible outcome through "experimenting." Law of One and the "purpose" of the cosmos goes further than this. For us, we understand it in a way that the Cosmos is trying to "know" itself, through creations and existence. This is correct, but only correct to the extend of our collective knowledge. In example, if you have never seen an apple in your life, how do you know what to ask for about the apple? 2. Your viewpoint on other "entities" from different density is separating the fact that them and us are no different, we are all the creation of the infinite creator, thus we are all one. From this perspective, you can view their interaction as your "conscience." Let me ask you this, Taylor, have you ever done anything bad in your life? (don't answer this on here please) and have you done anything good for others in your life? (again, you don't have to answer.) The purpose of my questions are for you to realize that when you speak to yourself about your own actions, that voice in your head, your emotions and the realization of "self" is the "guide" and influence for your decisions and choice, because the consequences are very real. When you understand this perspective, you will understand why they "aid" us in our polarities and the choice we want to make. There is no "correct" way, only the "philosophies" of both polarities, the subjective viewpoint of the self to see the "good" and "evil" is due to the understanding of the mind complex and it's separation from the "self" and "other-selves." As we walk further into the light in other density, this concept will become more and more apparent that duality is the definition of one towards the 7th Density. Now, for the choices. The consequences, and The philosophy of the two polarities. STO (Service to others) leads you on a path of unity through collective effort, fairness, and loving. STS (Service to Self) leads you on a path of power through the sacrifice and unfair contribution from other-selves. Pure Selfishness. Both path is neither right, nor wrong because all existence IS the Infinite-creator, and to serve the "other-selves", or serve the "self" still means you are serving the "Creator" in the end. Although, for STS path, at the 6th density, a transition must be made for the "energy/soul/spirit/entity" to re-unite with the Creator. The choice is yours to make, and at the same time, deep inside your heart, you already know. I've made a post on this forum to help awakening ones to stay true on the path that their heart has chosen for themselves, and ask awakening ones to be weary of the "deception" and "manipulation" of STS energies/method, because STS tends to lead the soul away from their "true-self." They lead you away, so you can serve them, if you graduate to the 4th negative, that means they have more "servants" for them to use. This path, for the soul to take, is a dark and grim one, because the "true decision" and "true freewill" of that soul has been buried underneath "temptation" and "greed." Imagine you go along your Cosmos existence up until the 6th Density, then realizes that "Oh, I actually care about others." The explosion and "flip" of that accumulated polarity is .... "beautiful" and "explosive" to witness, and heavy for that soul to go through. This is why STO entities "interfere" and "equalize" the negative influence on this planet by giving "us" the necessary Wisdom and Knowledge for us to make an INFORMED DECISION. a Conscious choice, and a choice, that is truly coming from one's freewill. May the light guides you Taylor, on your journey. Take care. RE: If this is an experiment... - Sacred Fool - 09-10-2020 (09-10-2020, 03:09 PM)taylor Wrote: If this is an experiment put on by the One Creator in order to learn more about him/her/it-self, and the Third Density (what we're in now) is all about Free Will and making the "correct" choice of "Service-to-Others," why do we have contact with entities of a higher density that are assisting/informing us to making the "correct" choice? Hi, taylor. Welcome aboard. Let's say I'm a rabbit and you're a human. Let's say you show me consistent warmth and caring and affection, and this enables me to focus less on fear and more on love. And I then share my love more freely with my own kind and they, in turn, become more caring and loving. Would you say that you infringed on my free will? I don't think that characterization really fits this circumstance. I'd say that you actually expanded my capacity to exercise my free will (expanded my consciousness). For the most part, this is how higher density entities see their work of investing love in lower density folks. Also, the "correct" choice s only one. Some call it love, others might call it consciousness. Likewise, there is only one love and only one consciousness. This is love of self, also known as consciousness of self. The dividing line is a small detail: it's about how you define self. Is self defined as limited or unlimited? Is it just that which you can control (limited) or does it include all that is (unlimited)? Perhaps a more subtle question is, how do know which of these s truly guiding you at any point in time? Discerning this can be a lot harder than it sounds. RE: If this is an experiment... - taylor - 09-10-2020 Thank you both for your replies! Quote:1. Your perception of "existence" as an "experiment" is in my opinion not quite correct. This is an "experience" yes, but to say it is an "experiment" is to look at existence as a "project" to "test" for a desired or possible outcome through "experimenting." If I am not mistaking Ra mentions that the One Creator "created" everything (us and infinity as we know it) to learn more about itself (for lack of a better term). Sadly, I am unable at this time to find the session/text I found this in. Without the text I am only going off of memory (which is very fallible) which I apologize for. The more I read into your reply, the more I believe that I may have misinterpreted or drew my own conclusions of the intent of the One Creator in doing this. I may have made the assumption that if the One Creator "created" us to learn about itself this "experiment", as I said previously, with the Creator's goal of learning about itself (in the context of the 3D) would be hindered by influencing the free will through interaction from higher density "entities." But as you mentioned, we are all one, so with that being the case, this influence I speak of would be from ourselves (as in the unity of infinity/everything). I suppose a 6D entity "influencing" a 3D entity would not be much different (In the context of The Law of One) as one just having a thought/dream planting an idea in one's head. Thank you for your words. I am looking forward to consuming all of the text to get a better/complete understanding of The Law of One and our purpose in this life. RE: If this is an experiment... - flofrog - 09-10-2020 Taylor, so welcome here... Honestly there are moments where a little teeny bit of help is welcome and doesn't feel like infringement. It’s more like, ahhhh I am so glad someone out there likes me and makes me see this is an ocean of bliss, despite... ![]() RE: If this is an experiment... - J.W. - 09-11-2020 (09-10-2020, 07:58 PM)taylor Wrote: Thank you both for your replies! You are very welcome, and I am glad to hear that you are grasping the concept of "oneness" and "connection" of all existence. To give you another area to look into, you should seek information about the "higher self." In a sense, the "higher self" is "you" and it helps you learn your lessons and guides you through your journey of the densities. If you can be reminded that everything is one through your journey of seeking, a lot of the materials will naturally make sense to you. remember to keep your heart true, and logic second, do not disseminate the information in a way of seeing other-selves in other densities as "higher" or "lower" or they are "greater" or "better" or "godlike" compare to you and I. Then things start becoming mucky, and the "blame game" begins. Like Adam blaming Eve and God for giving her to him etc. etc. The structure of the materials and the deeper understanding of existence revolve around one's understanding of themselves beforehand. If you find any blockage during your journey, I suggest meditation and seek "yourself" before diving back into the materials. This will help you flow through the information smoother and also helps you identify and be protected from STS's influences. RE: If this is an experiment... - Ymarsakar - 09-11-2020 (09-10-2020, 03:09 PM)taylor Wrote: Hello everyone, Iamraw does not deem STO to be the correct choice. The Law of One does not judge or bias itself as it is a non duality view point. Meaning, it is not duality. The Divine is the combination of all, including STS with STO. Both are imbalanced. The STo towards too much love and acceptance, and STS too much towards conflict and power. This "imbalance" is the surprise created by the free will experiment, which is something Source wants to experience. Source got bored, went into a Deep Sleep, bifurcated its essence into all Creation, thus we are all Children of God, even the children of devils. Each fragment, can fragment further, like a fractal, growing farther from creation source, but also probing and exploring farther the limits of what can be, without Source guidance. As for your second part of the question, the War of Light and Darkness has been going on in what humans call the universe or galaxies, for quite some time on. Multiple "planets" have been extinguished and killed, in the process. Earth is the final bastion and fortress of the dark, because it is a strategic nexus point in the temporal timeline. It is why STO says Earth is the "most difficult". They do not make this difficulty for themselves, any more than Source creates bottlenecks for its own experiment. STS plays the part of "OPFOR". The opposition. Without an opposition, this movie game we call life, would be boring. From our perspective and that of STO, it would be easier and better for cultivation, but from the perspective of Source, it needs experience, stimulation, DRAMA, because that is new. For eternal entities, "new things" are important. Humans do the same thing. They grow via challenges. They intentionally create challenges by increasing the difficulty settings in games. They watch movies knowing people in it will die, hoping to see a good ending. Or a sad ending. Or whatever. As for what makes the dark, the dark, that you will have to think about and ask more questions. This multi player massive game server is now nearing its end and procedures to close it by starting the FINAL ARC is proceeding as planned. Earth is bottlenecking the divine plans of numerous civilizations, including the elder/root 12/24. This means the multiverse cannot regather to source so long as any part of it remains dark or Other or resistant/fighting. Earth is the catalyst to Refold all of Creation back into itself, so that the Source can create a new simulation, after analyzing and enjoying the fruits of this one. There are entities out there that can create worlds, stars, realms, dimensions, entire universes. They can easily crush the dark with a single thought, but that would be worse cheating than the dark has done here on Earth with the child slave farms. These entities, that humans consider near gods or at least Kardashev 3/4 level civs... are mere fragments of the power of the elder civilizations. The elder civilizations or Guardians, are mere fragments themselves, of the power of the Administrator of this Fractal Experience. And the Administrator is merely a backup plan by Source, to ensure that things return to Source, so that things don't endlessly loop on and on and on, that the movie game finally ends. Se isso é um experimento... - Infinite - 09-11-2020 (09-10-2020, 03:09 PM)taylor Wrote: If this is an experiment put on by the One Creator in order to learn more about him/her/it-self, and the Third Density (what we're in now) is all about Free Will and making the "correct" choice of "Service-to-Others," why do we have contact with entities of a higher density that are assisting/informing us to making the "correct" choice? Ra explains this: Quote:The general cause of service such as the Confederation offers is that of the primal distortion of the Law of One, which is service. The One Being of the creation is like unto a body, if you will accept this third-density analogy. Would we ignore a pain in the leg? A bruise upon the skin? A cut which is festering? No. There is no ignoring a call. We, the entities of sorrow, choose as our service the attempt to heal the sorrow which we are calling analogous to the pains of a physical body complex distortion(14.18) They (STO entities) do this out of love, because they perceive everything as One and therefore make themselves available to help us. RE: If this is an experiment... - Nau7ik - 09-11-2020 There is no correct choice. A choice made by your own free will is the correct choice. Even when we seem to be mistaken, we are learning. Free will does not originate in the human personality. It is from the Logos which flows through us. The nature of this energy is free, however we must understand that “of myself I can do nothing.” Anyway, the only reason the Ra Material happened is because the group had put out a calling. They were seeking information for the positive path. Therefore, the responders are not abridging free will. The positive polarity understands free will to be paramount in preserving. As it is with negative information, a calling must be made. The most that a negative can do to a positive seeker is to “tempt” him and corrupt his channel to allow for negative information to come through. It’s dependent on our free will, our choices. Negatives are very clever and have many ways of tricking people into asking for something other than what they are truly asking for. RE: If this is an experiment... - taylor - 09-11-2020 I want to thank everyone for their replies! This community/forum is incredibly active and helpful (this makes sense given the subject). You all have given me a new perspective on this subject and shown me that I still have a lot to learn about The Law of One, as well as, "myself". A new question: (please let me know if I should make this a different post and/or in a different category) Prior to discovering The Law of One, I studied Buddhism. I cannot help but see an inordinate amount of similarities between the beliefs/principals of Buddhism and The Law of One. For instance, reaching "enlightenment" and "nirvana" by "awakening" and seeing all is one, and giving unconditional love to everyone and everything. Could these two "beliefs" be one in the same? Could entering Nirvana be transitioning to the 4th Density? Does one need to discover The Law of One and accept it as truth to "progress" to the next Density, or does simply practicing STO and giving unconditional love to everything promote you to the 4th Density? Thanks in advance!! RE: If this is an experiment... - Asolsutsesvyl - 09-11-2020 (09-11-2020, 01:04 PM)taylor Wrote: A new question: It can be quoted in a new thread and continued there if it turns into a longer distinct discussion, but right now there's a mixture of various smaller questions explored here. I'm not an expert on eastern religions and philosophies, and only know a rough outline. But I'm familiar with the more general esoteric/occult thought which took a clearer form roughly a century ago, and according to which there are subtler forms of all the world religions which, in the minds of the minorities with such interpretations, reach toward a unity of understanding even if symbols differ. The cosmology of the Ra material is similar to that of some older esoteric traditions, and it wouldn't surprise to see a looser esoteric interpretation of Buddhism align with it, just like a looser esoteric interpretation of Christianity can. The Law of One is less idea-centric, and includes the principle that "understanding is not of this [3rd] density", and that the leap beyond actually includes the understanding that understanding is something not yet reached and beyond the human level. I've seen some quotes of eastern philosophy run parallel to this, with the idea that all the words and symbols and explanations of the empty or illusion are all part of it and therefore equally empty. The density of a being is part of what the being is, so a change means a change in practice rather than in theory, theory only serving a guiding role. RE: If this is an experiment... - J.W. - 09-11-2020 (09-11-2020, 01:04 PM)taylor Wrote: I want to thank everyone for their replies! This community/forum is incredibly active and helpful (this makes sense given the subject). You all have given me a new perspective on this subject and shown me that I still have a lot to learn about The Law of One, as well as, "myself". I am familiar with Buddhism, and to simply explain this without going too far in. Yes, there are similarities, but so are many different "religion" or "teachings" and "theories" of existence. One must dismantle the information and "see" the source of the "teaching" and be able to identify where to draw a line what is not from the cosmos and what "is." A simple example I can give is... If the church or temple tells you to fork over $200 so your spirit can be cleanse..... do you think this is part of the "principals?" or just someone trying to make a sucker out of you? I hope this helps Taylor, I feel you are a bright soul. This brings joy to my heart. You are a humble seeker and very wise at this stage of your journey. Great job ![]() RE: If this is an experiment... - Ymarsakar - 09-11-2020 (09-11-2020, 01:04 PM)taylor Wrote: I want to thank everyone for their replies! This community/forum is incredibly active and helpful (this makes sense given the subject). You all have given me a new perspective on this subject and shown me that I still have a lot to learn about The Law of One, as well as, "myself". These discussions might be better for the metaphysical sub forum. Via kryon and the lemurian scroll channels, india was where the most undistorted knowledge was preserved. Lemuria was the sto civ that fought civil war with atlantis. Iamraw intervened in atlantis, and lemuria pivked up on that sto polarity. I am connecting a few dots. So not the same. But buddha carried his version of how to get humans to accept hogher teachings. He forbid idols of him. That lastes 100 years before humans do what they do with high densitu info. RE: If this is an experiment... - Sacred Fool - 09-12-2020 (09-11-2020, 03:56 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Via kryon and the lemurian scroll channels, india was where the most undistorted knowledge was preserved. Lemuria was the sto civ that fought civil war with atlantis. Iamraw intervened in atlantis, and lemuria pivked up on that sto polarity. I am connecting a few dots. According to the Ra Material, Lemuria and Atlantis were populated during different time periods and had nothing to do with one another. RE: If this is an experiment... - taylor - 09-12-2020 (09-11-2020, 03:52 PM)J.W. Wrote: I hope this helps Taylor, I feel you are a bright soul. This brings joy to my heart. You are a humble seeker and very wise at this stage of your journey. Great job I appreciate the kind words! Something else that has been troubling me: If we are 75,000 years into this cycle, does that mean my "soul" has been continuously reincarnating due to "failing" in each incarnation for all of those 75,000 years without discovering The Law of One? RE: If this is an experiment... - Patrick - 09-12-2020 (09-12-2020, 06:14 PM)taylor Wrote:(09-11-2020, 03:52 PM)J.W. Wrote: I hope this helps Taylor, I feel you are a bright soul. This brings joy to my heart. You are a humble seeker and very wise at this stage of your journey. Great job Anyone could have been playing the 3D game for billions of years. Because after a great cycle, you can always continue 3D somewhere else if not ready for 4D. A great way I found to gage if you have opened the hearth chakra enough to be ready for 4D is in how easily you can forgive others (and yourself). No longer wishing retribution. As in you no longer feel like fighting the Elites and instead let yourself be swallowed by Love. RE: If this is an experiment... - Ymarsakar - 09-13-2020 (09-12-2020, 01:20 PM)peregrine Wrote:(09-11-2020, 03:56 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Via kryon and the lemurian scroll channels, india was where the most undistorted knowledge was preserved. Lemuria was the sto civ that fought civil war with atlantis. Iamraw intervened in atlantis, and lemuria pivked up on that sto polarity. I am connecting a few dots. That is incorrect. You have to look at the details instead of the memory. 10.15 Questioner: [I] was wondering about the advent of the civilization called Atlantis and Lemuria, the way these civilizations occurred, and where did they come from [inaudible] civilizations? Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of this work. The civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria were not one but two. Let us look first at the Mu entities. They were beings of a somewhat primitive nature, but those who had very advanced spiritual distortions. The civilization was part of this cycle, experienced early within the cycle at a time of approximately five three oh oh oh, fifty-three thousand [53,000] of your years ago. It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own. They set out those who survived and reached many places in what you call Russia, North America, and South America. The Indians of whom you have come to feel some sympathy in your social complex distortions are the descendants of these entities. Like the other incarnates of this cycle, they came from elsewhere. However, these particular entities were largely drawn from a second-density planet which had some difficulty, due to the age of its sun, in achieving third-density life conditions. This planet was from the galaxy Deneb. The Atlantean race was a very conglomerate social complex which began to form approximately three one oh oh oh, thirty-one thousand [31,000] years in the past of your space/time continuum illusion. It was a slow growing and very agrarian society until approximately one five oh oh oh, fifteen thousand [15,000] of your years ago. It reached quickly a high technological understanding which caused it to be able to use intelligent infinity in a less informative manner. We may add that they used intelligent energy as well, manipulating greatly the natural influxes of the indigo or pineal ray from divine or infinite energy. Thus, they were able to create life forms. This they began to do instead of healing and perfecting their own mind/body/spirit complexes, turning their distortions towards what you may call the negative. Approximately eleven thousand [11,000] of your years ago, the first of the, what you call, wars, caused approximately forty percent of this population to leave the density by means of disintegration of the body. The second and most devastating of the conflicts occurred approximately one oh eight two one, ten thousand eight hundred twenty-one [10,821] years in the past according to your illusion. This created an earth-changing configuration and the large part of Atlantis was no more, having been inundated. Three of the positively oriented of the Atlantean groups left this geographical locus before that devastation, placing themselves in the mountain areas of what you call Tibet, what you call Peru, and what you call Turkey. Quote:21.24 Questioner: As we progress into the second 25,000-year cycle, did— At this time, during this period, was this the period of Lemuria? The Lemurian seed preceded Atlantis by around 20k, or a grand cycle. Because Lemuria preceded Atlantis, that meant by the time Atlantis was in their Age, the remnants of Lemuria would both be on the world stage at the same time. Given the polarity conflicts as mentioned by others concerning Lemurian service to other free will vs Atlantean service to self DNA manipulation (hybrids), this would suggest where the "war" came from. Quote:July 5 at 7:32 PM One of the last holds of Lemuria, mt Shasta. I do not have access to Lemuria or Atlantean records (Via Akasha or telempathic downloads), so I have to look up the sources and verify them just like anyone else. If I did have access to them, I could speak on them personally, as others here have which may be verified as true. https://www.himalayanacademy.com/view/lemurian-scrolls Available there. Judging by the content, which I have read most/finished, this was in the Age of Gold, the Sat Yuga. We are in the Kali Yuga. Assuming a grand cycle is approximately 23-26k years, that means a minimum approximation of 63k years difference. They were beings of a somewhat primitive nature, but those who had very advanced spiritual distortions. The civilization was part of this cycle, experienced early within the cycle at a time of approximately five three oh oh oh, fifty-three thousand [53,000] of your years ago. A type of indirect verification. One has to connect the dots. Given that light and time slows/changes speed, the 10k of time difference is not significant enough. Especially if Lemuria was the civilization that anteceded, or followed, the one in the Lemurian scrolls. And then the current remnants of Lemuria, would be the survivors of Lemuria vs Atlantis war. And on it goes, into the Akashic past. The remnants of the remnants of the remnants, going on back through time. I have also heard that the meteor/asteroid that hit the Earth and wiped out positive dinosaurs and maybe Lemuria, was the result of Draconian/ET interference. This is referred to as "confluence of energies" so to speak. That would mean Atlantis may have been the beginning of where souls from Malkuth or Mars began incarnating, bringing their DNA ancestral conflicts with them. One thing the records show, Lemuria did not war on itself and destroy itself. Something else did, whatever that was. It was not the result of them drilling too Deep (that is so funny, someone here actually mentioned Atlantis doing that a few minutes before I received that thought) or attempting to input too much energy into their crystals (Also Atlantis, a form of 2nd density slavery). RE: If this is an experiment... - J.W. - 09-13-2020 (09-12-2020, 06:14 PM)taylor Wrote:(09-11-2020, 03:52 PM)J.W. Wrote: I hope this helps Taylor, I feel you are a bright soul. This brings joy to my heart. You are a humble seeker and very wise at this stage of your journey. Great job Taylor, "you" have not been "failing." We all have our "time," this is simply "your" time, as you "seek" and the further you seek, you will reach a point of "un-learning." There will be those around you that will focus on every little details, and every pins and needles of creations for that is what make their existence "whole" on their journey, for this is the "nature" of our journey to reaching "nirvana".... which means "nothingness." Both You and I are also on this journey, and from where I am, my words and vibration will share with you that... Believe in yourself Taylor, you haave always been with the creator and the creator has always been with you. Remember, it's not a race, it's not about "above" or "below," this is where bellicosity comes from. You have all that you need to "create" at every moment. With love and light, my friend. |