(06-24-2020, 06:46 PM)StormShadow Wrote: Wow. I didn’t know how far the whole “Trump is a fascist/sexist/dictator” meme had actually taken root. I’ve been in the center for as long as I can remember, and I’ve been watching his administration very closely. And I can’t find anything untoward about it, really, at least not in comparison to previous administrations. The only difference is that previous administrations had press cover that he doesn’t. Trump actually has had the media working in biased fashion against him from day zero.

(06-24-2020, 06:26 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(06-23-2020, 07:27 AM)Dtris Wrote: So is it the Trump attendees you believe are causing the disharmony or the protesters?

Oklahoma has had over 20 earthquakes this year over 3.0 which is down from the hundreds a year they had in 2017-2018. Events like this caused by disharmony tend to be a lagging indicator. The earthquakes are almost entirely caused by underground wastewater disposal.

For there to be a physical effect, a susceptibility to that effect must be present in the region already. Tens of thousands of white supremacists screaming red with anger could not cause a quake in Himalayas, for example. It is natural that this would happen in a region with more propensity.

Second, space/time follows time/space. Its not the other way around. So, before the rally physically happened, its time/space counterpart was already happening and its impact already was there for some time after the rally. All this, before the fact that all kinds of energies have flowed to the region due to the attention that started from weeks earlier.

Quote:If you are implying that the cause of the disharmony is a large group of Trump supporters getting together then I suggest you rethink your own biases or even attend a rally yourself before judging entire groups of people.

Attending a physical rally is not needed to see the hate and discrimination in a group's talking points and views. Trump supporters, or American ultra conservatives, are not the first social group on the planet who have such hate based thoughts and feelings. But, indeed, they are one of the most blatant.

Its amazing that people can still think that a group who rails against everybody, everything, everyone, a group which is easily induced to hate and treat this or that internal or external group as enemies, are not hate based or negative.

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Its hard to understand what do some of you think positive path is...

Quote:68.17 Questioner: I am interested in how the first distortion applies to the negatively polarized entity misplacing the mind/body/spirit complex. Why is the negatively polarized entity followed to the place of negative time/space? Why would one of us freely follow the entity?

Ra: I am Ra. The positive polarity sees love in all things. The negative polarity is clever.

Quote: Matthew 7:15-20 New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

(06-24-2020, 02:55 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: To clear a few things up; I was vague in referencing the "middle" or center", because to most that means watered down "moderate" a******* who want to more or less keep the status quo. What I should have said is that I do not ascribe to a cookie cutter right or left wing ideology, and do not consider myself a proud Democrat or Republican for that matter. I go by my own principles and do not tow a party line. If I had to pick one philosophy closest to my own, it would be Noam Chomsky style "Libertarian Socialism". I mentioned that there are authoritarians and a******* and hypocrites on the political "left". This is 100% true, but I will agree that they are not the ones that are a major threat at this time. That would be the far right, and yes, most specifically the evangelicals.

I agree that Trump is at very least a narcissist and definitely and authoritarian, if not a full blown sociopath, and gave a big list of things he's said or done to support this. Yes, I agree that the majority of his supporters are toxic. By the way...have you seen how many times I've bashed him and Q on here? Those Moloch licking idiots with the "save the economy sacrifice the weak" signs are Trump supporters. "Incels" are Trump supporters. What's the worst most toxic group of Trump supporters out of all of them though? You hit the nail on the head. Evangelicals.

Anyone who hasn't seen "The Family" and doesn't know who Doug Coe was(I've recently stated that I think he made 4d negative), should do a bit of research to see just how much clout insane "Christians" actually have. These people actually worship power and authoritarianism and just call it "Jesus". They believe being in power makes you "chosen" by God, so whatever atrocities you commit are because God wills it, therefore they welcome with open arms foreign dictators with atrocious human rights abuses...just like Trump does.

As far as the left, I guess I'm more annoyed at hypocrisy than anything else. Like I said, the college campus morons who will bash white kids for wearing Native American costumes on Halloween, but will do nothing to stand against big oil when it actually encroaches on Native lands. Dumb cunts who will crucify somebody for accidentally using the wrong gender pronoun out of ignorance or confusion, but don't give a s*** about human trafficking, or the rape culture that's rampant in the Hollywood elite that they worship. Sexist and abusive women hiding under the label of feminism to protect their abusive tendencies from any repercussions. Racist blacks who beat up random white people simply because they are white(this is a small, small minority compared to the majority of Black Lives Matter protesters, most of which have a lot more integrity than this and would not tolerate it if they saw somebody doing it. Still, people like this do exist).

These people are not the direct threat or organized force that the far right is, with that, I agree, but I still feel the need to bash them out of fairness, because they do exist, and they are pieces of s*** that only serve to seemingly legitimize the far right.

(06-24-2020, 09:09 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(06-24-2020, 02:55 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: To clear a few things up; I was vague in referencing the "middle" or center", because to most that means watered down "moderate" a******* who want to more or less keep the status quo. What I should have said is that I do not ascribe to a cookie cutter right or left wing ideology, and do not consider myself a proud Democrat or Republican for that matter. I go by my own principles and do not tow a party line. If I had to pick one philosophy closest to my own, it would be Noam Chomsky style "Libertarian Socialism". I mentioned that there are authoritarians and a******* and hypocrites on the political "left". This is 100% true, but I will agree that they are not the ones that are a major threat at this time. That would be the far right, and yes, most specifically the evangelicals.

I agree that Trump is at very least a narcissist and definitely and authoritarian, if not a full blown sociopath, and gave a big list of things he's said or done to support this. Yes, I agree that the majority of his supporters are toxic. By the way...have you seen how many times I've bashed him and Q on here? Those Moloch licking idiots with the "save the economy sacrifice the weak" signs are Trump supporters. "Incels" are Trump supporters. What's the worst most toxic group of Trump supporters out of all of them though? You hit the nail on the head. Evangelicals.

Anyone who hasn't seen "The Family" and doesn't know who Doug Coe was(I've recently stated that I think he made 4d negative), should do a bit of research to see just how much clout insane "Christians" actually have. These people actually worship power and authoritarianism and just call it "Jesus". They believe being in power makes you "chosen" by God, so whatever atrocities you commit are because God wills it, therefore they welcome with open arms foreign dictators with atrocious human rights abuses...just like Trump does.

As far as the left, I guess I'm more annoyed at hypocrisy than anything else. Like I said, the college campus morons who will bash white kids for wearing Native American costumes on Halloween, but will do nothing to stand against big oil when it actually encroaches on Native lands. Dumb cunts who will crucify somebody for accidentally using the wrong gender pronoun out of ignorance or confusion, but don't give a s*** about human trafficking, or the rape culture that's rampant in the Hollywood elite that they worship. Sexist and abusive women hiding under the label of feminism to protect their abusive tendencies from any repercussions. Racist blacks who beat up random white people simply because they are white(this is a small, small minority compared to the majority of Black Lives Matter protesters, most of which have a lot more integrity than this and would not tolerate it if they saw somebody doing it. Still, people like this do exist).

These people are not the direct threat or organized force that the far right is, with that, I agree, but I still feel the need to bash them out of fairness, because they do exist, and they are pieces of s*** that only serve to seemingly legitimize the far right.

I know some people who could have written your exact same post just flipping sides. Our beliefs create our reality. It seems there are several users here who have beliefs centered around the negativity of right wing beliefs or groups. I know people with the opposite bias who are just as compelling and logical in their arguments.

You say a majority of Trump supporters are toxic. 63 million americans voted for him, which is about a quarter of all US adults. How many toxic people do you meet in your daily life? Does your belief match your experience? I guarantee that in the present climate most Trump supporters are not the kind wearing Maga hats to work and putting stickers on their truck. You might be close to people who support trump and not even know it.

I don't believe in making sweeping statements of any group. We are all individuals who have our own biases and most people are trying to do what they believe is right. Most people are good. Most people want what they think is best for the country and the world. By making absolute and sweeping statements that lump people into groups you decrease the ability to bring people together in unity. If we can't approach each other with respect and the intention to understand the other side, then we are going to end up in a bad place.

(06-24-2020, 09:09 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(06-24-2020, 02:55 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: To clear a few things up; I was vague in referencing the "middle" or center", because to most that means watered down "moderate" a******* who want to more or less keep the status quo. What I should have said is that I do not ascribe to a cookie cutter right or left wing ideology, and do not consider myself a proud Democrat or Republican for that matter. I go by my own principles and do not tow a party line. If I had to pick one philosophy closest to my own, it would be Noam Chomsky style "Libertarian Socialism". I mentioned that there are authoritarians and a******* and hypocrites on the political "left". This is 100% true, but I will agree that they are not the ones that are a major threat at this time. That would be the far right, and yes, most specifically the evangelicals.

I agree that Trump is at very least a narcissist and definitely and authoritarian, if not a full blown sociopath, and gave a big list of things he's said or done to support this. Yes, I agree that the majority of his supporters are toxic. By the way...have you seen how many times I've bashed him and Q on here? Those Moloch licking idiots with the "save the economy sacrifice the weak" signs are Trump supporters. "Incels" are Trump supporters. What's the worst most toxic group of Trump supporters out of all of them though? You hit the nail on the head. Evangelicals.

Anyone who hasn't seen "The Family" and doesn't know who Doug Coe was(I've recently stated that I think he made 4d negative), should do a bit of research to see just how much clout insane "Christians" actually have. These people actually worship power and authoritarianism and just call it "Jesus". They believe being in power makes you "chosen" by God, so whatever atrocities you commit are because God wills it, therefore they welcome with open arms foreign dictators with atrocious human rights abuses...just like Trump does.

As far as the left, I guess I'm more annoyed at hypocrisy than anything else. Like I said, the college campus morons who will bash white kids for wearing Native American costumes on Halloween, but will do nothing to stand against big oil when it actually encroaches on Native lands. Dumb cunts who will crucify somebody for accidentally using the wrong gender pronoun out of ignorance or confusion, but don't give a s*** about human trafficking, or the rape culture that's rampant in the Hollywood elite that they worship. Sexist and abusive women hiding under the label of feminism to protect their abusive tendencies from any repercussions. Racist blacks who beat up random white people simply because they are white(this is a small, small minority compared to the majority of Black Lives Matter protesters, most of which have a lot more integrity than this and would not tolerate it if they saw somebody doing it. Still, people like this do exist).

These people are not the direct threat or organized force that the far right is, with that, I agree, but I still feel the need to bash them out of fairness, because they do exist, and they are pieces of s*** that only serve to seemingly legitimize the far right.

I know some people who could have written your exact same post just flipping sides. Our beliefs create our reality. It seems there are several users here who have beliefs centered around the negativity of right wing beliefs or groups. I know people with the opposite bias who are just as compelling and logical in their arguments.

You say a majority of Trump supporters are toxic. 63 million americans voted for him, which is about a quarter of all US adults. How many toxic people do you meet in your daily life? Does your belief match your experience? I guarantee that in the present climate most Trump supporters are not the kind wearing Maga hats to work and putting stickers on their truck. You might be close to people who support trump and not even know it.

I don't believe in making sweeping statements of any group. We are all individuals who have our own biases and most people are trying to do what they believe is right. Most people are good. Most people want what they think is best for the country and the world. By making absolute and sweeping statements that lump people into groups you decrease the ability to bring people together in unity. If we can't approach each other with respect and the intention to understand the other side, then we are going to end up in a bad place.

(06-24-2020, 08:36 PM)Dtris Wrote: Have I ever posted anything which is racist and filled with hate? Do you not realize that by describing all supporters of a political group or politicians as hateful and discriminatory you are insulting people who have made every effort to interact in a positive loving manner with you and others.

Quote:You are insulting people like me who are trying to find what we believe is the best way to serve our fellow man? You lumped me into an ultra conservative group, hate to break it to you but I am a libertarian. I don't agree with Trump on everything but I agree with him on more than I do the left and the democrats.

Quote:The positive path is not one of false compassion where people are bludgeoned to support the group in the name of being on of the in group.

Quote:Matthew 7:15-20 New King James Version (NKJV)

15 “Beware of false prophets

Quote:I know some people who could have written your exact same post just flipping sides.

Quote:63 million americans voted for him, which is about a quarter of all US adults.

Quote:How many toxic people do you meet in your daily life? Does your belief match your experience? I guarantee that in the present climate most Trump supporters are not the kind wearing Maga hats to work and putting stickers on their truck. You might be close to people who support trump and not even know it.

Quote:Trump is buddies with Putin who is friends with Assad [biggest mass murderer in the 21st century

Quote:arguably the biggest mass murderer ever--tens of millions dead in China's revolution

(06-29-2020, 01:18 AM)StormShadow Wrote: And I realized: the media wouldn’t be trying so hard to paint him as the ultimate evil if they didn’t really want him out, and for more immediate reasons (to them) than most of us wanted him out for.

and to be honest, if it’s Trump versus the career politicians, the corrupt intelligence agencies, and the controlled media — well, damn. I guess I’m rooting for Trump.

(06-29-2020, 08:32 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(06-29-2020, 01:18 AM)StormShadow Wrote: And I realized: the media wouldn’t be trying so hard to paint him as the ultimate evil if they didn’t really want him out, and for more immediate reasons (to them) than most of us wanted him out for.

and to be honest, if it’s Trump versus the career politicians, the corrupt intelligence agencies, and the controlled media — well, damn. I guess I’m rooting for Trump.

he actually pushes a nuclear war where it is certain to happen: at Russian border.

It doesnt get any more crazy than that.

(06-29-2020, 08:32 AM)unity100 Wrote: As you will remember from the material, negative societies have a long period of strife and conflict among themselves until every member feels that it occupies the position it deserves in the hierarchy. Especially the higher echelons.
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They are just fighting among themselves for a larger piece of the cake. The moment the internal conflict is settled, it will be curb-stomping the majority's face on the ground for profit.
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Result is that the people in US are just left to starve and die. Incredibly, the establishment does not even mind openly.
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They dont even care. They dont even think that they should care. Because, they are involved only with themselves and they see little value in anything outside. Remember how Ra describes the higher polarized negative entities in higher densities - they dont even interact with outside because they dont see a value in anything else.
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Naturally, being late 3d negative entities, these people are not in the same league. ... All is for a few percent more profit increase this quarter - not even to prevent loss. They just want to have their wealth-increase increase faster.

Trump himself is among that lot, and one of the foremost to boot - not only he spends most of his time golfing, but also he just pushes whatever talking point he is given by the evangelists / supremacists to whom he let the reins.
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A negative entity in a negative faction fighting with another negative faction in a negative social setup is not your friend.

(06-30-2020, 12:03 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: If you used to drink the blue Kool-Aid and switched to the red...you are still drinking Kool-Aid when what your body needs is water. Just sayin'.

(06-30-2020, 12:06 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: There was a comic here but I removed it to avoid showing it again.

(06-29-2020, 10:21 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Not going to happen. ET's won't let us blow ourselves up like that.

(06-29-2020, 11:33 AM)Diana Wrote: I am in the U.S. I basically see what you see, though I am less educated in what is going on in the media—especially politics, which is a game so obviously and stupidly played it always reminds me of the dystopian world portrayed in 1984, where everything is just spewed nonsense to keep people distratcted.

Quote: I just don't see the efficacy in getting involved in the human drama.

Quote:So, I am curious what you would suggest people do about the levels of crazy going on at this time?

(06-30-2020, 10:02 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(06-29-2020, 10:21 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Not going to happen. ET's won't let us blow ourselves up like that.

Remember how Yahweh was quarantined away from this planet after their last intervention.

Also note how 3d is over in this planet. Its not the time of innocence anymore, even less the time of irresponsibility.

(06-30-2020, 10:02 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(06-29-2020, 11:33 AM)Diana Wrote: I am in the U.S. I basically see what you see, though I am less educated in what is going on in the media—especially politics, which is a game so obviously and stupidly played it always reminds me of the dystopian world portrayed in 1984, where everything is just spewed nonsense to keep people distratcted.

Actually, its considerably better than that. In a setting like 1984, the establishment holds all the reins, and there is no other channel of information. People believe things by their heart. Earlier states of world, especially US, can be likened to 1984 than today. For example in early 1960s, Americans supported Vietnam war. There was no question about it. Or the vilification of Eastern Bloc (the other self), or the proposition that they were free and living in the best place in the world and so on. The thought control was absolute.

Today it isnt. Hence all the problems. As the illusion shatters, everyone reactions per his/her biases and psychology. And deep inside, per his/her spiritual bias.

(06-30-2020, 10:02 AM)unity100 Wrote:

Quote: I just don't see the efficacy in getting involved in the human drama.

Complicated proposition. While its understandable that those who have higher vibrations or saner minds or those who are more sensitive would be inclined to keep away from participation in the society, Ra also notes that a lot of awake people are choosing to keep away from society and they are turning inwards. And this is depicted as if it was a problem.

Where good people dont speak up, evil carries the day.

This is something everyone must decide for themselves. Ideally, more awake people should participate in the society.

(06-30-2020, 10:02 AM)unity100 Wrote:

Quote:So, I am curious what you would suggest people do about the levels of crazy going on at this time?

An alternative is creating an alternate society. Bypassing the existing one.

There are already social movements like Sanders' movement. There is no reason why this kind of thing should happen only from election to election. There is no reason why this entire movement should not transform into an alternative society inside the society.

There are already such societies which exist inside society - there is the religious right, for example. Complete with its social groups, political activity, economic activity that is specific to their group.

So it can be done. And there is no reason why more positive segments that are looking forward should not do the same and create their own society to live in. Complete with its values, its behavior models, its philosophy, its economy, its politics. There are already many formats available - ranging from political activism methodology to economic cooperatives - that many people benefit from.

(06-29-2020, 01:18 AM)StormShadow Wrote: I think that we are all coming at this discussion from different starting points, which explains some of the disharmony in this post. Therefore, so as not to add any more to the thread I won’t speak to anyone’s post in particular, but will explain my own starting point so people can understand that I’m neither crazy, stupid, nor a Klan member for not hating Trump.

I started out on the Hillary side in 2016. Basically, I thought that Trump was dangerous if put in a position that he was neither experienced in, nor, I believed, mentally fit for. But I hated Hillary as well. She was a career politician, which is probably the meanest epithet you could throw at anybody, to begin with. Second, she was a Clinton, and I felt uneasy at the idea of American dynasties, their connection with intelligence agencies, murders, that sort of thing. Then there was always the fact that she couldn’t stay on her feet for more than ten minutes at a time, it seemed, making her physically unfit, if nothing else, for the office of the presidency. Still, I voted for her, thinking her the lesser of two very foregone evils.

That changed directly after the election. Just before it, I saw the massive increase in anti-Trump rhetoric in the media, and expected it to tone down after the election, seeing as the media had done the same for Bush directly after 9/11 happened and there was all that talk about how it turns out his grandfather helped the Nazis, he was basically asleep at the wheel when the planes hit the towers, etc etc. The news kept repeating this idea in response: Even if you don’t respect the president, you must respect the office of the president.

Not in this case. It just kept getting more and more vicious, and after a while, they stopped any pretense at fact-checking. That was when I got really suspicious, and decided to heed Mark Twain, who had been whispering in my ear for some time: “When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to stop and reflect.”

And I realized: the media wouldn’t be trying so hard to paint him as the ultimate evil if they didn’t really want him out, and for more immediate reasons (to them) than most of us wanted him out for.

Which meant there is a real fight going on at very high levels, a fight that we have never seen before. The Democrats and Republicans fight, sure, but it’s always been a staged sort of thing, kind of there to reassure us that there are still two distinct parties, not two arms of the same interests, held up to keep us fighting each other instead of targeting those with actual control. This is a real, shirt-off, in-the-mud, biting and eye-gouging-allowed street fight that we’re seeing, and to be honest, if it’s Trump versus the career politicians, the corrupt intelligence agencies, and the controlled media — well, damn. I guess I’m rooting for Trump.

unity100 Wrote:Many people in Nazi Germany did not vote for Nazis in order to have them kill or repress anyone either. They voted them with good intentions in order to have 'Germany rebuilt'.

You or other people supporting some group out of good intentions does not make that group a well intentioned group....

unity100 Wrote:Such people wouldnt be a problem if they werent the ones who hold the strings. But they are.

Its not people like Dtris - who dont want any harm on anyone - that they put there to talk in town halls or be the spearhead of the 'new GOP'.

They put these crazy people there to talk. To organize. To count the votes. To call the shots.

Of course, these extremist lunatics wont be looking to have sane, moderate people who dont mean any harm on anyone as their leaders. They are not screaming on top of their lungs to get sane people elected to effect sane policies. And you cant trick them into believing that someone who is sane and reasonable is actually an extremist and therefore deceive them to bypass their will and get those sane people elected despite these extremists want an extremist.

They will get the leaders they want.

That's why Dtris' arguments dont hold water. Yeah he means no harm. Yeah he does not vote for such things.

But these people do.

And they call the shots.