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Lets remember what love is? - Sunclarity - 06-16-2020
I'm feeling a bit better and I thought it could be nice to rejoice in this particular subject. Before I expose my view and you distort it into yours, I'd like to say, I'm writing this to make all of us feel good. I don't wish to tell you what to do and even for you to change your behavior.
With that said, Love. One must love. You must love. They must love. Not in any way. In this way. It has to be this way. It's a law and it can't be disobeyed. The universe is love, so you have to love. It's wrong not to love. I'll punish you if you don't love. Just love, love, love and period.
This is what most of us say. At first, for clear and kind intentions, but after a few moments, it's really more hate than love, or more refusal than acceptance, or more cruelty than kindness. Don't believe? If you wish, try to feel love now, with me, as clearly as you can.
Bring to memory a moment of your life where you knew you felt love. Didn't it reassure you somehow? Told you that all was okay regardless of what you did? Of who you were? Didn't it accept you and embrace you in a good-feeling warmth beyond descriptions?
That's easeness and tolerance. That's love. Now bring to mind the times you said someone should love and in the way you wanted them to. Maybe you commanded them to stop eating certain meats as you saw that as cruel. Maybe you commanded them to stop insulting.
Whatever it was, what feeling was present when you were supposedly supporting love? Was it tolerance, acceptance, easeness? Did your command involve that wonderful warmth? If you told them what to do with musts and obligations, there was refusal, so I think no.
I hope you are ready for this part, otherwise it may hurt a bit. Isn't hatred refusal? A refusal of one's being and his choices? To say he and his choices are to be thrown away, that he should be punished for just living? It is, but isn't this, in a way, what almost all of us do?
By hating and attacking the rapist, the animal eater, the racist, we are hating and attacking just like them. But what they do is wrong. It makes others and me feel bad. They deserve what they get. These are the excuses we give to keep distorting the one Love that is.
To keep telling to ourselves, we are not doing what they are doing, but we are. Emotions can't lie. Remember the difference of emotion we felt? That accepting warmth that was unmistakably love and then that coldness refusal that just felt bad and distorted?
One happened when you embraced other-self's actions, the other when you rejected them. Them, for it wasn't only actions you refused. You are the expression of ultimate freedom, I won't give a command. But I remind you the difference of what you wanted to create and what you actually create.
In your illusion, that is. As fundamentally, you all create and are the purest form of love. Thank you for your attention, everyone. Much light and love
RE: Lets remember what love is? - Dtris - 06-16-2020
Your post reminds me of my favorite line from Conversations with God, "Love Allows". You bring up a lot of food for thought about how we can internally confuse love and compassion with hatred and envy.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - AnthroHeart - 06-16-2020
Ever since I took God as a lover/my beloved the Love has knocked my socks off at times.
I can't help but love others.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - Sunclarity - 06-16-2020
(06-16-2020, 08:09 AM)Dtris Wrote: Your post reminds me of my favorite line from Conversations with God, "Love Allows". You bring up a lot of food for thought about how we can internally confuse love and compassion with hatred and envy.
It's interesting that you say food for thought. It shows the ultimality of the freedom that we are. It doesn't matter if what I say is true. In one's perception, truth is only truth when one wishes it to be so. And so, if it is not the self's wish, truth may become philosophy, allegory, or, as you put it, food for thought only.
This doesn't really address you in specific. It's just that the terminology you used is usually employed in that sense and I wanted to remark that generality
RE: Lets remember what love is? - flofrog - 06-16-2020
I could be so wrong Sunclarity, but I think when we are young and full of spirit, we have a certain vision of life and then it is true , what ever we have felt as good or wonderful, we really want the other to experience it too, so you may tend to send love and at the same time push that person to do certaint things in a certain way, and there, yes, I think perhaps love, even unconditional at the initial stage may infringe on the other self with pressure or as you write, with obligation...
I am only addressing one of the things you mentioned.
I have the feeling and the impression that as you get older, you naturally become much more respectful of the space of each self because your own space has been infringed quite a few times, so your compassion grows for any other self.
Just my little take. As Dtris said, much food for thoughts...
be well !!
RE: Lets remember what love is? - ostatni dan - 06-16-2020
This is very insightful post for me. Although it sometimes seems like life throws these challenges at us, and most people give up on choosing love over hate, it is easier and faster to hate and go on with life. What is worse is that hating people is so socially acceptable in different forms, that trying to understand someone that is for example a criminal, is met with being questioned for your intentions. Like why are you even trying to feel compassion for a murderer? But deep down everyone of us is a murderer, most people do not know that, and some of those who know, also know how to keep this part of themselves under control. Its the illusion of separeteness, but in different situation we could be that same person, thats why people should dive deep into their shadow side and integrate what they might be capable of doing to the other person, scary stuff to think about.
But coming back to love and challenges, sometimes its so hard. How to understand someone that is acting straight irrational for us? Like a psychopath for example, when you can not even see the source of his actions. Is it even needed to understand that person before we choose to show love? I guess the answer is yes, but it does not seem that easy for me right now. And then, after we finally choose to love this person, how to set strong boundaries in relationship like that? To still show love but avoid being manipulated? So many questions...
RE: Lets remember what love is? - Black Dragon - 06-16-2020
Very insightful indeed. I think it's understandable not to actively show or send love to a complete sociopath... somebody who's done bad stuff but still has even the slightest ability for empathy is easy enough to relate to, but I just can't bring myself to embrace sociopaths. There's a kid who used to live on my street when I was young, that now I put all the pieces together, was a horrible person pretending to be a goody two shoes(no swearing, sex is gross, blah blah blah), but was a manipulative person that just liked to make people suffer. I'm pretty positive this kid was at least a sociopath, and I think I remember bits of a weird philosophical conversation with this person that indicates they could be an STS wanderer or part of that sphere of influence.
f*** actively loving a person like that, they are a black hole. Instead, I just ask the creator to love them yet protect all they come into contact with from too much undue misery generated by this person's proclivities to STS. That being said, actively HATING them(though tempting) would be an even bigger waste of my time and energy. So I guess, what I'm saying, if somebody seems impossible to love, you can at least practice not hating them.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - AnthroHeart - 06-16-2020
A lady who loved God was asked if she hated the devil, and she said that she loves God so much she has no time to hate the devil.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - Sunclarity - 06-17-2020
(06-16-2020, 05:48 PM)flofrog Wrote: I could be so wrong Sunclarity, but I think when we are young and full of spirit, we have a certain vision of life and then it is true , what ever we have felt as good or wonderful, we really want the other to experience it too, so you may tend to send love and at the same time push that person to do certaint things in a certain way, and there, yes, I think perhaps love, even unconditional at the initial stage may infringe on the other self with pressure or as you write, with obligation...
I am only addressing one of the things you mentioned.
I have the feeling and the impression that as you get older, you naturally become much more respectful of the space of each self because your own space has been infringed quite a few times, so your compassion grows for any other self.
Just my little take. As Dtris said, much food for thoughts...
be well !!
Hum. We being young and inexperienced does seem a reason, but, if I may, the way I see it, age is not the issue. We have children that are incredibly respective and elders that are incredibly intrusive. In other words, one's inner and outer state might be influenced by age, but not necessarily.
It's not to say your opinion isn't true, it is in a way, but there is something more fundamental at play. Will. Age is but an illusory form of will. Will decides whether one is to be confused or enlightened, cruel or kind. That will is at will's control at all times, so it's, in a sense, a conscious choice.
We decide to love as hatred and belittlement because we want to. I know it's easy to wish that this wasn't the case. That we are victims because we don't control our will. But that, if said, will be just a pretending game. Creation behaves the same, in all levels, in all planes, in all ways.
That is to say, we are always limitless and always under our control. It can seem rather ironic, especially to you dear Flo, since you know of my struggles, but, we being limitless doesn't mean we don't get confused, and that's why you and I can be all-powerful and yet appear powerless.
It doesn't mean we are powerless though. The illusion is always an illusion. I'm sorry if I answered in case you didn't want me to and of course, you may reply and we can further learn about this together. In either way, thank you. Be well as well.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - flofrog - 06-17-2020
I agree Sunclarity with what you say. I think my mistake was that I was answering operating from a view of a state of unconditional love. And of course when we operate from our shadow side its different, I agree on the fact we are limitless in power though not aware and how each thought is creative. I really love your posts, please do not go away...
on edit : and confused can be often my second name
RE: Lets remember what love is? - Sunclarity - 06-17-2020
(06-16-2020, 06:02 PM)ostatni dan Wrote: This is very insightful post for me. Although it sometimes seems like life throws these challenges at us, and most people give up on choosing love over hate, it is easier and faster to hate and go on with life. What is worse is that hating people is so socially acceptable in different forms, that trying to understand someone that is for example a criminal, is met with being questioned for your intentions. Like why are you even trying to feel compassion for a murderer? But deep down everyone of us is a murderer, most people do not know that, and some of those who know, also know how to keep this part of themselves under control. Its the illusion of separeteness, but in different situation we could be that same person, thats why people should dive deep into their shadow side and integrate what they might be capable of doing to the other person, scary stuff to think about.
But coming back to love and challenges, sometimes its so hard. How to understand someone that is acting straight irrational for us? Like a psychopath for example, when you can not even see the source of his actions. Is it even needed to understand that person before we choose to show love? I guess the answer is yes, but it does not seem that easy for me right now. And then, after we finally choose to love this person, how to set strong boundaries in relationship like that? To still show love but avoid being manipulated? So many questions...
Oh dear Lord. Thank you so much for your post. I created a very big smile and it was one influenced by what you wrote. I don't get the chance to talk to people much, but it is so wonderful to see someone confused. Even more so when they are receptive to hear why they are expressing beauty in the way they are. So again, thank you.
With that said, you are missing something here. You wrote that there was no separation, but it's precisely this that you are ignoring. Yes, ignoring for it is your will to do so. Isn't all one? Then there is no shadow part, there is no I'm that murderer because I could be him in the same situation, and there is no I can't understand that psychopath.
There is no shadow part because part implies fragment, which implies separation, but there isn't that. You are One. You aren't like the murderer only within certain circumstances, you are him 100% of the time in 100% of all the ways. The same applies for the psycopath. He is you completely, totally, and if he's irrational, so are you.
He isn't for there is only logic, but, since you are one, if, in your illusion, he or you is irrational, both will be, for one is the reflection of the other. Why? You are one. You need a proof, right? I currently am aware of three methods. Any one of them suffices, so you don't need two or all three, but, in your confusion, experiencing all might benefit you.
These are:
Look at all creation and see all is unique
Look at your mind and see all is your one thought
Look at the behavior of life forms and see all behave the same
To not overwhelm you, I give you the link of a text I wrote that explores the second option. I'm here if you still think I can aid in some way.
https://www.invertexto.com/?n=6TqybR
Ps: If I may, little tip for when you visit the link. The text is short and it's precisely why it'd be nice to read very slowly. An idea someone would take a whole book to transmit, I try to do in a paragraph, so you may skip something truly important and not realize you did.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - Sunclarity - 06-17-2020
(06-17-2020, 04:23 PM)flofrog Wrote: I agree Sunclarity with what you say. I think my mistake was that I was answering operating from a view of a state of unconditional love. And of course when we operate from our shadow side its different, I agree on the fact we are limitless in power though not aware and how each thought is creative. I really love your posts, please do not go away...
on edit : and confused can be often my second name
Oh dear. That's the exact same thing I thought!! That your vision was so little distorted you were not considering the illusion. I was even gonna say that but chose not to as I finished my post. That's why you don't need to see your view as a mistake. I congratulate you for having it ♡There is much I can learn from you
RE: Lets remember what love is? - ostatni dan - 06-21-2020
(06-17-2020, 04:33 PM)Sunclarity Wrote:(06-16-2020, 06:02 PM)ostatni dan Wrote: This is very insightful post for me. Although it sometimes seems like life throws these challenges at us, and most people give up on choosing love over hate, it is easier and faster to hate and go on with life. What is worse is that hating people is so socially acceptable in different forms, that trying to understand someone that is for example a criminal, is met with being questioned for your intentions. Like why are you even trying to feel compassion for a murderer? But deep down everyone of us is a murderer, most people do not know that, and some of those who know, also know how to keep this part of themselves under control. Its the illusion of separeteness, but in different situation we could be that same person, thats why people should dive deep into their shadow side and integrate what they might be capable of doing to the other person, scary stuff to think about.
But coming back to love and challenges, sometimes its so hard. How to understand someone that is acting straight irrational for us? Like a psychopath for example, when you can not even see the source of his actions. Is it even needed to understand that person before we choose to show love? I guess the answer is yes, but it does not seem that easy for me right now. And then, after we finally choose to love this person, how to set strong boundaries in relationship like that? To still show love but avoid being manipulated? So many questions...
Oh dear Lord. Thank you so much for your post. I created a very big smile and it was one influenced by what you wrote. I don't get the chance to talk to people much, but it is so wonderful to see someone confused. Even more so when they are receptive to hear why they are expressing beauty in the way they are. So again, thank you.
With that said, you are missing something here. You wrote that there was no separation, but it's precisely this that you are ignoring. Yes, ignoring for it is your will to do so. Isn't all one? Then there is no shadow part, there is no I'm that murderer because I could be him in the same situation, and there is no I can't understand that psychopath.
There is no shadow part because part implies fragment, which implies separation, but there isn't that. You are One. You aren't like the murderer only within certain circumstances, you are him 100% of the time in 100% of all the ways. The same applies for the psycopath. He is you completely, totally, and if he's irrational, so are you.
He isn't for there is only logic, but, since you are one, if, in your illusion, he or you is irrational, both will be, for one is the reflection of the other. Why? You are one. You need a proof, right? I currently am aware of three methods. Any one of them suffices, so you don't need two or all three, but, in your confusion, experiencing all might benefit you.
These are:
Look at all creation and see all is unique
Look at your mind and see all is your one thought
Look at the behavior of life forms and see all behave the same
To not overwhelm you, I give you the link of a text I wrote that explores the second option. I'm here if you still think I can aid in some way.
https://www.invertexto.com/?n=6TqybR
Ps: If I may, little tip for when you visit the link. The text is short and it's precisely why it'd be nice to read very slowly. An idea someone would take a whole book to transmit, I try to do in a paragraph, so you may skip something truly important and not realize you did.
Thank You for that text, i finally found some time to read it with a clear mind. I was well aware of the concepts (even before i stumbled upo The Law of One which was still ground breaking for me), but you made a really good job at explaining them in a simple and straightforward manner. It is very calming to read about these truths, but actually living them in a day to day life is another thing - it requires a lot of practice and its a gradual process. Like every big change we want to make of course.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - AnthroHeart - 06-21-2020
I know love at a very dense level where it is quite palpable. It can bring me to my knees from feeling unworthy in a figurative sense.
I am doing sexual fusion with a fifth density anthro being, and I can not even put into words the love.
Love is a drug, love is fire, love is the sun, love is more than passion.
He lets me taste his tears, which I can easily do through my psychic tasting.
We give each other gifts. We tell each other what they mean to us.
I am fulfilled.
My dog had to be put to sleep an hour ago, and here I am smitten in love and just chilling.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - Diana - 06-22-2020
(06-17-2020, 04:06 PM)Sunclarity Wrote:(06-16-2020, 05:48 PM)flofrog Wrote: I could be so wrong Sunclarity, but I think when we are young and full of spirit, we have a certain vision of life and then it is true , what ever we have felt as good or wonderful, we really want the other to experience it too, so you may tend to send love and at the same time push that person to do certaint things in a certain way, and there, yes, I think perhaps love, even unconditional at the initial stage may infringe on the other self with pressure or as you write, with obligation...
I am only addressing one of the things you mentioned.
I have the feeling and the impression that as you get older, you naturally become much more respectful of the space of each self because your own space has been infringed quite a few times, so your compassion grows for any other self.
Just my little take. As Dtris said, much food for thoughts...
be well !!
Hum. We being young and inexperienced does seem a reason, but, if I may, the way I see it, age is not the issue. We have children that are incredibly respective and elders that are incredibly intrusive. In other words, one's inner and outer state might be influenced by age, but not necessarily.
It isn't age at issue, it is experience, which coincides with age. Although entities bring into this life biases from other existences, one starts out in this reality on square one so to speak, gathering a new set of experiences through catalyst. This is reflected in the archetype study according to Ra.
It is true that some entities come into this world with a deeper awakened awareness. But such entities will lack experience—putting this awareness to use in the present incarnation. As catalyst is experienced, the entity will respond not just with the biases previously brought forward from other incarnations, but with the survival instinct, body challenges, societal and cultural influences, and so on, inherent in the 3D experience. This is where long experience will count, because it takes time and experience to sort out the miasma of input which this reality crowds us with.
This is likely why indigenous cultures respect the elders. They have cultivated processing catalyst for a long time, and gained wisdom to be offered.
(06-17-2020, 04:06 PM)Sunclarity Wrote: It's not to say your opinion isn't true, it is in a way, but there is something more fundamental at play. Will. Age is but an illusory form of will. Will decides whether one is to be confused or enlightened, cruel or kind. That will is at will's control at all times, so it's, in a sense, a conscious choice.
This is an issue of control vs. acceptance.
The mind is very complex. Experience is multi-faceted. It isn't so linear or one-dimensional as: I will be kind, not cruel. There is self-honesty and authenticity and self-knowledge, that must ideally be accessed before understanding how we act in the world. A person who has had a hard life growing up may want to be kind, but that kindness may be like a frozen sheet of water over a lake of confused anger or sadness.
There is nothing wrong with the desire to be kind. But, my opinion is that kindness, or cruelty, or whatever is at play will naturally flow from a person regardless of whatever parameters are imposed on the will. This is why (I think) the most important thing to do is work on self. Self knowledge, through self-honesty and pursuing conscious evolution—whatever that may be—according to that self-knowledge, is key. This is accepting self. Acceptance is unlikely if judgments or demands are made upon self (be kind; don't be cruel). From self-knowledge, self-accountability, self-responsibility, (whatever the path), will flow a will more in alignment with the true self.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - meadow-foreigner - 06-22-2020
(06-22-2020, 11:09 AM)Diana Wrote:(06-17-2020, 04:06 PM)Sunclarity Wrote:(06-16-2020, 05:48 PM)flofrog Wrote: I could be so wrong Sunclarity, but I think when we are young and full of spirit, we have a certain vision of life and then it is true , what ever we have felt as good or wonderful, we really want the other to experience it too, so you may tend to send love and at the same time push that person to do certaint things in a certain way, and there, yes, I think perhaps love, even unconditional at the initial stage may infringe on the other self with pressure or as you write, with obligation...
I am only addressing one of the things you mentioned.
I have the feeling and the impression that as you get older, you naturally become much more respectful of the space of each self because your own space has been infringed quite a few times, so your compassion grows for any other self.
Just my little take. As Dtris said, much food for thoughts...
be well !!
Hum. We being young and inexperienced does seem a reason, but, if I may, the way I see it, age is not the issue. We have children that are incredibly respective and elders that are incredibly intrusive. In other words, one's inner and outer state might be influenced by age, but not necessarily.
It isn't age at issue, it is experience, which coincides with age. Although entities bring into this life biases from other existences, one starts out in this reality on square one so to speak, gathering a new set of experiences through catalyst. This is reflected in the archetype study according to Ra.
It is true that some entities come into this world with a deeper awakened awareness. But such entities will lack experience—putting this awareness to use in the present incarnation. As catalyst is experienced, the entity will respond not just with the biases previously brought forward from other incarnations, but with the survival instinct, body challenges, societal and cultural influences, and so on, inherent in the 3D experience. This is where long experience will count, because it takes time and experience to sort out the miasma of input which this reality crowds us with.
This is likely why indigenous cultures respect the elders. They have cultivated processing catalyst for a long time, and gained wisdom to be offered.
(06-17-2020, 04:06 PM)Sunclarity Wrote: It's not to say your opinion isn't true, it is in a way, but there is something more fundamental at play. Will. Age is but an illusory form of will. Will decides whether one is to be confused or enlightened, cruel or kind. That will is at will's control at all times, so it's, in a sense, a conscious choice.
This is an issue of control vs. acceptance.
The mind is very complex. Experience is multi-faceted. It isn't so linear or one-dimensional as: I will be kind, not cruel. There is self-honesty and authenticity and self-knowledge, that must ideally be accessed before understanding how we act in the world. A person who has had a hard life growing up may want to be kind, but that kindness may be like a frozen sheet of water over a lake of confused anger or sadness.
There is nothing wrong with the desire to be kind. But, my opinion is that kindness, or cruelty, or whatever is at play will naturally flow from a person regardless of whatever parameters are imposed on the will. This is why (I think) the most important thing to do is work on self. Self knowledge, through self-honesty and pursuing conscious evolution—whatever that may be—according to that self-knowledge, is key. This is accepting self. Acceptance is unlikely if judgments or demands are made upon self (be kind; don't be cruel). From self-knowledge, self-accountability, self-responsibility, (whatever the path), will flow a will more in alignment with the true self.
Buddhism Wholeness.
Seek wholeness and act from wholeness and the path becomes but a consequence.
Unwhole attitudes lead to a further perpetuation of dukkha through a process much like the Izanami genjutsu.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - Sunclarity - 06-22-2020
(06-21-2020, 12:18 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: I know love at a very dense level where it is quite palpable. It can bring me to my knees from feeling unworthy in a figurative sense.
I am doing sexual fusion with a fifth density anthro being, and I can not even put into words the love.
Love is a drug, love is fire, love is the sun, love is more than passion.
He lets me taste his tears, which I can easily do through my psychic tasting.
We give each other gifts. We tell each other what they mean to us.
I am fulfilled.
My dog had to be put to sleep an hour ago, and here I am smitten in love and just chilling.
I never heard of sexual fusion, especially it related with a being of another density. If you could perhaps tell what motivated you to seek this activity, what it entails, the precautions and so on, I'd appreciate.
RE: Lets remember what love is? - AnthroHeart - 06-22-2020
(06-22-2020, 03:15 PM)Sunclarity Wrote:(06-21-2020, 12:18 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: I know love at a very dense level where it is quite palpable. It can bring me to my knees from feeling unworthy in a figurative sense.
I am doing sexual fusion with a fifth density anthro being, and I can not even put into words the love.
Love is a drug, love is fire, love is the sun, love is more than passion.
He lets me taste his tears, which I can easily do through my psychic tasting.
We give each other gifts. We tell each other what they mean to us.
I am fulfilled.
My dog had to be put to sleep an hour ago, and here I am smitten in love and just chilling.
I never heard of sexual fusion, especially it related with a being of another density. If you could perhaps tell what motivated you to seek this activity, what it entails, the precautions and so on, I'd appreciate.
It was sort my my mind's interpretation of the Kundalini awakening I'm going through. It just felt very dense like a lot of pressure inside me.
There was some stimulation in the sexual chakra, so it felt orgasmic.
I had spent a few years increasing the density of my energy field, and 15 years meditating to get clear enough and balanced enough to really feel it.
But I don't do that anymore. Yesterday my dog was put to sleep and I lost (fell out of resonance with) my two anthro lovers.
My teacher taught me that the time for anthros for me is over. It was just codependent.
So I am pretty much done with anthros, and am healing now with the help of an angel.
I did love them dearly, but I am out of vibration from them since I raised my vibration, so there is no longer any love there.
They were slightly STS beings, who did love me in return.
It wasn't as much fusion as it was just holding each other in our energy fields, and they felt much denser than me, so it brought me up.