Quote:I feel like they focus on knowledge about inner reality but we cant escape the prison planet if we forget our memories every damn time we die and reincarnate!

(05-24-2020, 12:05 AM)Strannik Wrote: I can suggest you new research materials "The Revelations of an Elite Family Insider" https://archive.org/stream/TheRevelationsOfAnEliteFamilyInsider2005/TheRevelationsOfAnEliteFamilyInsider2005_djvu.txt
But remember that knowledge, not backed up by skills, it is only a hindrance on the path of your self development.

(05-24-2020, 12:22 PM)Infinite Wrote: There are two types of spiritual visions regarding the Earth: it's a school or a prison. During my seek I already believed it was a prison. But being a prison would mean that God is not fair. Then, after meeting a person with some degree of balancing, he showed me the dialogue with HH. Shortly afterwards I discovered LOO, ironically through a website whose author also believes in the theory of the Earth as a prison.

To be clear: we are in a planetary game. Positivity and negativity have been in conflict for millennia. Negatives are part of the game, not its creators. The modus operandi of negatives is to sow fear and confusion. Because they feed on fear. One way to do this is by creating various conspiracy theories and passing them through confusing channels. Messages of destruction and multidimensional control are Orion's tactics to feed on fear and destabilize channels that seek the STO path. This is something old on the face of the Earth. The ancient prophets spoke of destruction. The truth is that to fear death and the destruction of what is 3D material is to surrender to the feeling of fear, which separates us from our Higher Self.

Allied to Orion's tactics, we have the natural feeling of a veiled entity, which is walking in darkness. Anything will seem frightening to you, just as children are afraid of the boogeyman in the dark. Until we experience the Love and Light of the One, everything can frighten us.

Another detail is that large parts of these conspiracy theories speak of the corrupted Demiurge (Logos) being a tyrant who controls and deceives us. This does not make sense in itself. However, it is easily understandable when we trace the origin of these conspiracy theories: they come from ancient Gnostics. They were against the Demiurge for a simple reason: these Gnostic branches were on the left hand path (service to self) and therefore didn't wish to unite to the Creator. They feared that by uniting the Creator they would lose their egos and therefore be annihilated. So they sought separation from God and demonized him under the name Demiurge.

Finally, I'm aware of several multidimensional "schemes". This does not mean that the negatives are the controllers of all this. They only exist because there is a call to these entities, and also because evil fulfills its role in this world, of being the catalyst for the evolution of the positives. However, those sincere seekers who seek the One are protected from all evil, because underlying each scheme of darkness, each stone that rolls, each drop of water that falls, is the eternal Infinity in its existence, forever before and after of all things.

(05-23-2020, 11:34 PM)servant- Wrote: Hello, I have known the Ra material for quite some years and it has helped me alot. I usually don't talk on forums, just observe. But now I felt the urge to make a post as I have encountered info from other sources that contradicts with llresearch info. the material that made me doubt some of the info from here is from the "alien interview" from Roswell crash 1947. to me it seems legit because it has supporting info with knowledge I already know.  

you can read it from the attached file or "watch" the interview from youtube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClnFAUpVwz_NuoP19PYbW2A/videos

Quote:so a few interesting things came to my attention when reading the interview.
they call souls, themselves and otherselves "IS-BE". IS meaning all that is(god) and BE means being or being in the body for example.
anyway, this alien explains that hes body is not biological, its a doll body. he can exit the body at will and exist as thought form (that's already kind of a big deal if you ask me) not just some alien with limited 3D understanding but someone with understanding of beyond that.

Quote:so here is some of the info that made me think that Ra is trying to hide information from us:
1. the alien says that the pyramids were build by the old empire (the NEGATIVE controllers). blocks were carved with highly concentrated light waves and ufos lifting em up & building the pyramids.

here Ra (POSITIVE) claims to have build the pyramid with THOUGHT, which might be very mysterious way of saying the same thing in order to mislead? anyway, if alien is right its suggesting that Ra is part of negative group

Quote:2. Ra did not want to touch on the subject of UFOs as it would not be central or important subject. I don't understand hes way of thinking, to me learning about these things motivate me and inspire me to dwell even further into the information and often I end up getting lot of spiritual information on the side. who is he to decide what is important information?  And how do you define important info, as there is infinite time to learn and nothing really matters in the end. why not just give the info if that's what feels important to the questioner, do they judge us by thinking this info is not important to someone, it could open a path for the seeker to travel. he just DODGES the question. like are we not equal to Ra? why cant we have info on certain subjects, information should be open to any who wishes for it. feels like we are some inferior pets or something. this is why we are stuck. (imo)

Quote:3. Ok this next one is from Q'uo, he is not giving us info about moon:
S: Certainly. It goes back to the question from last time and the time before which was the question of the size of the moon and the sun being the same size. The first time you did not know the answer. The second time you hadn’t thought any more. And I was asking you if with your various resources you could find that answer and how you went about finding it.

I am Q’uo, and we are aware of your query, my brother. When we attempt to seek for that which we do not know, we look to the heart of our being for that which is important in our seeking. And when it is of great enough importance, then it is that we attempt to become that which we do not know. In this instance we do not seek for the answer for this information, for we feel that it is unimportant and is not central either to our service or our own learning. Rather, we would suggest that instead of being concerned with the external artifacts of the astronomical illusion that you look instead to the sun and the moon of your own inner being.

so hes asking actually about why moon perfectly fits to block the sun when looking here from earth I think. Q'uo claims that he doesn't know!!!
QUESTION DODGED. I've read from many different sources that moon was not originally here and it was brought here, and that it helps with the forced 3D or with keeping souls trapped in earth. its artificial.

Quote:I feel like they focus on knowledge about inner reality but we cant escape the prison planet if we forget our memories every damn time we die and reincarnate!

in that alien interview its said that they shock the soul (after we die) with billions of volts of electricity to reset us, all of our memories, GONE, not just in from earth, but everything you experienced from the infinite past. then comes the hypnotic suggestions to dumb us down.

what if the harvest cycles don't actually exist and they are tricking us, by giving all this otherwise correct info to temporarily help us, until the memory reset. like they are "growing us" like in a farm so they themselves get power by the universal law that you advance the soul by "helping" us over and over again, they don't want us to get out of this prison, because they advance by helping us grow internally and then we get our memories reset and we don't know jack s*** again.
Our higher self keeps our memories, not us. But that higher self is like a god already anyway.



this all came to me when I read through that interview and the end part I "realized" when I wrote all this
I hope you too read the interview, it will make this post much clearer and its an interesting read nonetheless (btw I didn't finish reading it yet, I'm almost at the end but gotta sleep now) and give your thoughts, my thought is that Ra is hiding something!

(05-24-2020, 06:47 PM)Aion Wrote: I think there's always the tricky matter of language. Sometimes I think Ra is unable to convey accurately their concepts through our language and so it appears more roundabout than necessary, giving the appearance that they are being indirect.

There are definitely things that Ra 'veils' but it's hard to say whether it's a matter of intention to mislead or if it's more an artifact of the difficulties of communication in such a way. Consider that 'spiritual language' has become a lot more open and diversified since the Ra material was channeled.

(05-23-2020, 11:34 PM)servant- Wrote: Hello, I have known the Ra material for quite some years and it has helped me alot. I usually don't talk on forums, just observe. But now I felt the urge to make a post as I have encountered info from other sources that contradicts with llresearch info. the material that made me doubt some of the info from here is from the "alien interview" from Roswell crash 1947. to me it seems legit because it has supporting info with knowledge I already know.  

you can read it from the attached file or "watch" the interview from youtube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClnFAUpVwz_NuoP19PYbW2A/videos

so a few interesting things came to my attention when reading the interview.
they call souls, themselves and otherselves "IS-BE". IS meaning all that is(god) and BE means being or being in the body for example.
anyway, this alien explains that hes body is not biological, its a doll body. he can exit the body at will and exist as thought form (that's already kind of a big deal if you ask me) not just some alien with limited 3D understanding but someone with understanding of beyond that.

so here is some of the info that made me think that Ra is trying to hide information from us:
1. the alien says that the pyramids were build by the old empire (the NEGATIVE controllers). blocks were carved with highly concentrated light waves and ufos lifting em up & building the pyramids.

here Ra (POSITIVE) claims to have build the pyramid with THOUGHT, which might be very mysterious way of saying the same thing in order to mislead? anyway, if alien is right its suggesting that Ra is part of negative group


2. Ra did not want to touch on the subject of UFOs as it would not be central or important subject. I don't understand hes way of thinking, to me learning about these things motivate me and inspire me to dwell even further into the information and often I end up getting lot of spiritual information on the side. who is he to decide what is important information?  And how do you define important info, as there is infinite time to learn and nothing really matters in the end. why not just give the info if that's what feels important to the questioner, do they judge us by thinking this info is not important to someone, it could open a path for the seeker to travel. he just DODGES the question. like are we not equal to Ra? why cant we have info on certain subjects, information should be open to any who wishes for it. feels like we are some inferior pets or something. this is why we are stuck. (imo)

3. Ok this next one is from Q'uo, he is not giving us info about moon:
S: Certainly. It goes back to the question from last time and the time before which was the question of the size of the moon and the sun being the same size. The first time you did not know the answer. The second time you hadn’t thought any more. And I was asking you if with your various resources you could find that answer and how you went about finding it.

I am Q’uo, and we are aware of your query, my brother. When we attempt to seek for that which we do not know, we look to the heart of our being for that which is important in our seeking. And when it is of great enough importance, then it is that we attempt to become that which we do not know. In this instance we do not seek for the answer for this information, for we feel that it is unimportant and is not central either to our service or our own learning. Rather, we would suggest that instead of being concerned with the external artifacts of the astronomical illusion that you look instead to the sun and the moon of your own inner being.

so hes asking actually about why moon perfectly fits to block the sun when looking here from earth I think. Q'uo claims that he doesn't know!!!
QUESTION DODGED. I've read from many different sources that moon was not originally here and it was brought here, and that it helps with the forced 3D or with keeping souls trapped in earth. its artificial.  

I feel like they focus on knowledge about inner reality but we cant escape the prison planet if we forget our memories every damn time we die and reincarnate!

in that alien interview its said that they shock the soul (after we die) with billions of volts of electricity to reset us, all of our memories, GONE, not just in from earth, but everything you experienced from the infinite past. then comes the hypnotic suggestions to dumb us down.

what if the harvest cycles don't actually exist and they are tricking us, by giving all this otherwise correct info to temporarily help us, until the memory reset. like they are "growing us" like in a farm so they themselves get power by the universal law that you advance the soul by "helping" us over and over again, they don't want us to get out of this prison, because they advance by helping us grow internally and then we get our memories reset and we don't know jack s*** again.
Our higher self keeps our memories, not us. But that higher self is like a god already anyway.



this all came to me when I read through that interview and the end part I "realized" when I wrote all this
I hope you too read the interview, it will make this post much clearer and its an interesting read nonetheless (btw I didn't finish reading it yet, I'm almost at the end but gotta sleep now) and give your thoughts, my thought is that Ra is hiding something!

(10-14-2020, 12:07 AM)dexter101 Wrote: we are all blind and as long as we are blind we are never going to be able to fight the true enemy.

(05-28-2020, 04:16 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(05-24-2020, 06:47 PM)Aion Wrote: I think there's always the tricky matter of language. Sometimes I think Ra is unable to convey accurately their concepts through our language and so it appears more roundabout than necessary, giving the appearance that they are being indirect.

There are definitely things that Ra 'veils' but it's hard to say whether it's a matter of intention to mislead or if it's more an artifact of the difficulties of communication in such a way. Consider that 'spiritual language' has become a lot more open and diversified since the Ra material was channeled.

On this most recent revisit of the material I am thinking more and more that Ra alludes to many different things that Don would be able to question further on down the road. It is a shame the material ended so early.

Quote:26.15 Questioner: Wondering if the one, Abraham Lincoln, could have possibly been a Wanderer?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This entity was a normal, shall we say, Earth being which chose to leave the vehicle and allow an entity to use it on a permanent basis. This is relatively rare compared to the phenomenon of Wanderers.

You would do better considering the incarnations of Wanderers such as the one known as “Thomas,” the one known as “Benjamin.”

26.17 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me where the entity that used Lincoln— Abraham’s— body what density he came from and where?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity was fourth-vibration.

35.6 Questioner: Thank you. Earlier we discussed Abraham Lincoln as a rather unique case. Is it possible for you to tell us what the orientation was and why the fourth-density being used Abraham’s body, and when this took place with respect to the activities that were occurring in our society at that time?

Ra: I am Ra. This is possible.

35.8 Questioner: Well in that case I would like to know the motivation for this use of Abraham Lincoln’s body at that time?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this session as we find the instrument quite low in vital energies.

The one known as Abraham had an extreme difficulty in many ways and, due to physical, mental, and spiritual pain, was weary of life but without the orientation to self-destruction. In your time, 1853, this entity was contacted in sleep by a fourth-density being. This being was concerned with the battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness which have been waged in fourth density for many of your years.

This entity accepted the honor/duty of completing the one known as Abraham’s karmic patterns and the one known as Abraham discovered that this entity would attempt those things which the one known as Abraham desired to do but felt it could not. Thus the exchange was made.

The entity, Abraham, was taken to a plane of suspension until the cessation of its physical vehicle much as though we of Ra would arrange with this instrument to remain in the vehicle, come out of the trance state, and function as this instrument, leaving this instrument’s mind and spirit complex in its suspended state.

The planetary energies at this time were at what seemed to this entity to be at a critical point, for that which you know as freedom had gained in acceptance as a possibility among many peoples. This entity saw the work done by those beginning the democratic concept of freedom, as you call it, in danger of being abridged or abrogated by the rising belief and use of the principle of the enslavement of entities. This is a negative concept of a fairly serious nature in your density. This entity, therefore, went forward into what it saw as the battle for the light, for healing of a rupture in the concept of freedom.

This entity did not gain or lose karma by these activities due to its detachment from any outcome. Its attitude throughout was one of service to others, more especially to the downtrodden or enslaved. The polarity of the individual was somewhat, but not severely, lessened by the cumulative feelings and thought-forms which were created due to large numbers of entities leaving the physical plane due to trauma of battle.

May we ask if this is the information you requested or if we may supply any further information?

Quote:83.12 Questioner: Then you say that there are no cases where those who are service-to-others oriented are using in any way techniques of enslavement that have grown as a result of the evolution of our social structures? Is this what you mean?

Ra: I am Ra. It was our understanding that your query concerned conditions before the veiling. There was no unconscious slavery, as you call this condition, at that period. At the present space/time the condition of well-meant and unintentional slavery are so numerous that it beggars our ability to enumerate them.

Quote:26.19 Questioner: Was his assassination in any way influenced by Orion or any other negative force?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

(10-14-2020, 12:07 AM)dexter101 Wrote: there are a lot of inconsistencies in the Ra material

see this review on amazon:

"In 35.8 of the Law of One Books, the Ra Collective talks about Abraham Lincoln in a positive way. However, Abraham Lincoln was part of the evil agenda. Abraham Lincoln had no wish or desire to free the slaves. One of the main reasons that the South went to war with the North was over the proposed 40% tax rate, not slavery. (See Morrill Tariff Act of 1861.) If it’s true, Abraham Lincoln said, “I can’t let them (the South) go. Who would pay for the government?”

Lincoln’s concern was to keep the Union together at all costs—not freeing the slaves. (Read Lincoln’s letter to Horace Greeley, August 22nd, 1862.) The Union was about enslaving ALL OF THE PEOPLE with taxes and laws created by the rich. (This was the dark Reptilian agenda of the time.) Lincoln had no wish to give freedom to the people, and he only signed the Emancipation Proclamation in the hopes that the southern slaves would rise up and riot against the South so the southern armies would go back home and protect their land and families. As we already know in the U.S., this didn’t happen, and the Union enslaved the population anyway—not just the innocent African slaves. (By the way, thirteen U.S. Presidents owned slaves. Eight U.S. Presidents owned slaves while they were in office. How much more proof do you need that we are controlled by the dark side? We went from racial and sexual slavery to financial slavery.)

The Ra Collective said that Abraham Lincoln was a walk-in. What kind of walk-in soul would enslave all of the people and force them to live under laws created by the rich? The only walk-in that would do this would be a dark, evil soul, not a loving soul. Furthermore, an advanced walk-in soul would have followed the supposed law of free will and asked permission of the people for everything. This walk-in soul, through Lincoln, never asked the people what they wanted. This walk-in forced the people—North and South—to live by laws created by Lincoln and the rich. That is not the same free will that the Ra Collective talks about. This is extremely suspicious."



i dont know what to make of this. i wish i had psychic powers and could just pierce the veil and see what is really going on but i dont. we are all blind and as long as we are blind we are never going to be able to fight the true enemy.

Britannica Wrote:In the United States, all of the states north of Maryland abolished slavery between 1777 and 1804. But antislavery sentiments had little effect on the centres of slavery themselves: the great plantations of the Deep South, the West Indies, and South America. Turning their attention to these areas, British and American abolitionists began working in the late 18th century to prohibit the importation of African slaves into the British colonies and the United States. Under the leadership of William Wilberforce and Thomas Clarkson, these forces succeeded in getting the slave trade to the British colonies abolished in 1807. The United States prohibited the importation of slaves that same year, though widespread smuggling continued until about 1862.

Britannica Wrote:Jolted by the raid (1859) of the abolitionist extremist John Brown on Harpers Ferry, the South became convinced that its entire way of life, based on the cheap labour provided by slaves, was irretrievably threatened by the election to the presidency of Abraham Lincoln (November 1860), who was opposed to the spread of slavery into the Western territories. The ensuing secession of the Southern states led to the American Civil War (1861–65). The war, which began as a sectional power struggle to preserve the Union, in turn led Lincoln (who had never been an abolitionist) to emancipate the slaves in areas of the rebellion by the Emancipation Proclamation (1863) and led further to the freeing of all other slaves in the United States by the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution in 1865.

Under the pressure of worldwide public opinion, slavery was completely abolished in its last remaining Latin American strongholds, Cuba and Brazil, in 1880–86 and 1883–88, respectively, and thus the system of African slavery as a Western phenomenon ceased to exist. See also slavery.

(10-19-2020, 07:15 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(10-14-2020, 12:07 AM)dexter101 Wrote: there are a lot of inconsistencies in the Ra material

see this review on amazon:

"In 35.8 of the Law of One Books, the Ra Collective talks about Abraham Lincoln in a positive way. However, Abraham Lincoln was part of the evil agenda. Abraham Lincoln had no wish or desire to free the slaves. One of the main reasons that the South went to war with the North was over the proposed 40% tax rate, not slavery. (See Morrill Tariff Act of 1861.) If it’s true, Abraham Lincoln said, “I can’t let them (the South) go. Who would pay for the government?”

Lincoln’s concern was to keep the Union together at all costs—not freeing the slaves. (Read Lincoln’s letter to Horace Greeley, August 22nd, 1862.) The Union was about enslaving ALL OF THE PEOPLE with taxes and laws created by the rich. (This was the dark Reptilian agenda of the time.) Lincoln had no wish to give freedom to the people, and he only signed the Emancipation Proclamation in the hopes that the southern slaves would rise up and riot against the South so the southern armies would go back home and protect their land and families. As we already know in the U.S., this didn’t happen, and the Union enslaved the population anyway—not just the innocent African slaves. (By the way, thirteen U.S. Presidents owned slaves. Eight U.S. Presidents owned slaves while they were in office. How much more proof do you need that we are controlled by the dark side? We went from racial and sexual slavery to financial slavery.)

The Ra Collective said that Abraham Lincoln was a walk-in. What kind of walk-in soul would enslave all of the people and force them to live under laws created by the rich? The only walk-in that would do this would be a dark, evil soul, not a loving soul. Furthermore, an advanced walk-in soul would have followed the supposed law of free will and asked permission of the people for everything. This walk-in soul, through Lincoln, never asked the people what they wanted. This walk-in forced the people—North and South—to live by laws created by Lincoln and the rich. That is not the same free will that the Ra Collective talks about. This is extremely suspicious."



i dont know what to make of this. i wish i had psychic powers and could just pierce the veil and see what is really going on but i dont. we are all blind and as long as we are blind we are never going to be able to fight the true enemy.

I am not sure you should be using book reviews on Amazon as debunking material. Also this view of Lincoln is just as or even more distorted than any other popular view. It also ignores the rest of the history of the time. The abolitionist movement was not new and was almost a century old before the war.

Britannica Wrote:In the United States, all of the states north of Maryland abolished slavery between 1777 and 1804. But antislavery sentiments had little effect on the centres of slavery themselves: the great plantations of the Deep South, the West Indies, and South America. Turning their attention to these areas, British and American abolitionists began working in the late 18th century to prohibit the importation of African slaves into the British colonies and the United States. Under the leadership of William Wilberforce and Thomas Clarkson, these forces succeeded in getting the slave trade to the British colonies abolished in 1807. The United States prohibited the importation of slaves that same year, though widespread smuggling continued until about 1862.

Britannica Wrote:Jolted by the raid (1859) of the abolitionist extremist John Brown on Harpers Ferry, the South became convinced that its entire way of life, based on the cheap labour provided by slaves, was irretrievably threatened by the election to the presidency of Abraham Lincoln (November 1860), who was opposed to the spread of slavery into the Western territories. The ensuing secession of the Southern states led to the American Civil War (1861–65). The war, which began as a sectional power struggle to preserve the Union, in turn led Lincoln (who had never been an abolitionist) to emancipate the slaves in areas of the rebellion by the Emancipation Proclamation (1863) and led further to the freeing of all other slaves in the United States by the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution in 1865.

Under the pressure of worldwide public opinion, slavery was completely abolished in its last remaining Latin American strongholds, Cuba and Brazil, in 1880–86 and 1883–88, respectively, and thus the system of African slavery as a Western phenomenon ceased to exist. See also slavery.

(10-20-2020, 05:38 PM)Eddie Wrote:

(10-19-2020, 07:15 PM)Dtris Wrote:

(10-14-2020, 12:07 AM)dexter101 Wrote: there are a lot of inconsistencies in the Ra material

see this review on amazon:

"In 35.8 of the Law of One Books, the Ra Collective talks about Abraham Lincoln in a positive way. However, Abraham Lincoln was part of the evil agenda. Abraham Lincoln had no wish or desire to free the slaves. One of the main reasons that the South went to war with the North was over the proposed 40% tax rate, not slavery. (See Morrill Tariff Act of 1861.) If it’s true, Abraham Lincoln said, “I can’t let them (the South) go. Who would pay for the government?”

Lincoln’s concern was to keep the Union together at all costs—not freeing the slaves. (Read Lincoln’s letter to Horace Greeley, August 22nd, 1862.) The Union was about enslaving ALL OF THE PEOPLE with taxes and laws created by the rich. (This was the dark Reptilian agenda of the time.) Lincoln had no wish to give freedom to the people, and he only signed the Emancipation Proclamation in the hopes that the southern slaves would rise up and riot against the South so the southern armies would go back home and protect their land and families. As we already know in the U.S., this didn’t happen, and the Union enslaved the population anyway—not just the innocent African slaves. (By the way, thirteen U.S. Presidents owned slaves. Eight U.S. Presidents owned slaves while they were in office. How much more proof do you need that we are controlled by the dark side? We went from racial and sexual slavery to financial slavery.)

The Ra Collective said that Abraham Lincoln was a walk-in. What kind of walk-in soul would enslave all of the people and force them to live under laws created by the rich? The only walk-in that would do this would be a dark, evil soul, not a loving soul. Furthermore, an advanced walk-in soul would have followed the supposed law of free will and asked permission of the people for everything. This walk-in soul, through Lincoln, never asked the people what they wanted. This walk-in forced the people—North and South—to live by laws created by Lincoln and the rich. That is not the same free will that the Ra Collective talks about. This is extremely suspicious."



i dont know what to make of this. i wish i had psychic powers and could just pierce the veil and see what is really going on but i dont. we are all blind and as long as we are blind we are never going to be able to fight the true enemy.

I am not sure you should be using book reviews on Amazon as debunking material. Also this view of Lincoln is just as or even more distorted than any other popular view. It also ignores the rest of the history of the time. The abolitionist movement was not new and was almost a century old before the war.

Britannica Wrote:In the United States, all of the states north of Maryland abolished slavery between 1777 and 1804. But antislavery sentiments had little effect on the centres of slavery themselves: the great plantations of the Deep South, the West Indies, and South America. Turning their attention to these areas, British and American abolitionists began working in the late 18th century to prohibit the importation of African slaves into the British colonies and the United States. Under the leadership of William Wilberforce and Thomas Clarkson, these forces succeeded in getting the slave trade to the British colonies abolished in 1807. The United States prohibited the importation of slaves that same year, though widespread smuggling continued until about 1862.

Britannica Wrote:Jolted by the raid (1859) of the abolitionist extremist John Brown on Harpers Ferry, the South became convinced that its entire way of life, based on the cheap labour provided by slaves, was irretrievably threatened by the election to the presidency of Abraham Lincoln (November 1860), who was opposed to the spread of slavery into the Western territories. The ensuing secession of the Southern states led to the American Civil War (1861–65). The war, which began as a sectional power struggle to preserve the Union, in turn led Lincoln (who had never been an abolitionist) to emancipate the slaves in areas of the rebellion by the Emancipation Proclamation (1863) and led further to the freeing of all other slaves in the United States by the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution in 1865.

Under the pressure of worldwide public opinion, slavery was completely abolished in its last remaining Latin American strongholds, Cuba and Brazil, in 1880–86 and 1883–88, respectively, and thus the system of African slavery as a Western phenomenon ceased to exist. See also slavery.

As someone who is active in the exploration of this area of study, I'll comment here that the Amazon reviewer is more accurate than the Brittanica entry.  The (pre-war) abolition of slavery in Northern states was.....selectively enforced.  I have a friend who had ancestors in Ohio and Indiana who owned slaves during the time of the War Between the States, and another who had slave-owning ancestors in Illinois.

For a good critical scrutinization of Lincoln, I recommend the pamphlet entitled Shattering the Icon of Abraham Lincoln, by Sam Dickson, which most definitely does not "ignore the history of the time".

(10-20-2020, 06:46 PM)Dtris Wrote: What laws are not selectively enforced? What time has slavery not existed? It still exists today, the only difference is it is illegal so underground. Saying a Amazon reviewer who is promoting an agenda that Lincoln was trying to enslave the world thru a monetary system is more reliable than an encyclopedia which made no claims whatsoever as to motive or goals, is frankly ridiculous. While there are many reasons for the war, it would have never happened it it wasn't for the abolitionist movement. The reviewer can be completely accurate in his quotes and facts, none of which make any difference to what I quoted from Brittanica, nor does the fact that slavery existed in the north in contravention of law.

(10-21-2020, 02:14 PM)Eddie Wrote:

(10-20-2020, 06:46 PM)Dtris Wrote: What laws are not selectively enforced? What time has slavery not existed? It still exists today, the only difference is it is illegal so underground. Saying a Amazon reviewer who is promoting an agenda that Lincoln was trying to enslave the world thru a monetary system is more reliable than an encyclopedia which made no claims whatsoever as to motive or goals, is frankly ridiculous. While there are many reasons for the war, it would have never happened it it wasn't for the abolitionist movement. The reviewer can be completely accurate in his quotes and facts, none of which make any difference to what I quoted from Brittanica, nor does the fact that slavery existed in the north in contravention of law.

Nonsense.  Encylopedia Britannica (if you peel back the layers of companies) is owned by Jacqui Safra, a Billionaire banker, formerly of Republic New York Bank.  To say that E.B. doesn't have an agenda, is like saying that the New York Times or MSNBC doesn't have an agenda.  They are all leftist-globalist propaganda outlets. 

You should also dig into who comprised Lincoln's clients when he was in private legal practice, before he became President.

Edited to add:  I am not claiming that Lincoln deliberately worked for national enslavement, rather that he was manipulated into serving the interests of those who were.