+- Bring4th (https://www.bring4th.org/forums)
+-- Forum: Bring4th Studies (https://www.bring4th.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: Strictly Law of One Material (https://www.bring4th.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=2)
+--- Thread: About compassion (/showthread.php?tid=18046)
About compassion - Infinite - 03-10-2020
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This is an incorrect application of the balancing which we have discussed. The exercise of first experiencing feelings and then consciously discovering their antitheses within the being has as its objective not the smooth flow of feelings both positive and negative while remaining unswayed but rather the objective of becoming unswayed. This is a simpler result and takes much practice, shall we say.(42.2)
The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.
Quote:42.4 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel an emotional response when being attacked by the other-self?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.
Quote:Balance is not indifference but rather the observer not blinded by any feelings of separation but rather fully imbued with love.(42.5)
That means a balanced entity will feel compassion for killers, rapists, children abusers, terrorists, genocidal, black magicians, Orion's entitities, etc., right? I think difficult reach this state. What do you think?
RE: About compassion - breakingties - 03-10-2020
Once i realised that everything in my reality is my creation i felt compassion and unconditional love for everything, including reptilians. I was one with everything so i loved everything including those enumerated by you. After many realisations that came from 6th density teachings and experiences, i plunged back into 3rd density, with all my biases and personal opinions about what is right and wrong in a world conceived by me. In truth there is no right or wrong, and unity is the truth, but i chose to play into my reality back in 3rd density.
I think is a matter of choice. How do you wish to perceive your creation. It is not difficult to reach that state, it is difficult to stay there every moment of your life, because of the conditioning of the society. If everyone would feel unconditional love for everything, the reality would immediately reflect that back, and killers, rapists, etc, would not exist there. They exist only because of the subcounsciously choice of the creator.
RE: About compassion - Black Dragon - 03-10-2020
(03-10-2020, 04:59 PM)breakingties Wrote: Once i realised that everything in my reality is my creation i felt compassion and unconditional love for everything, including reptilians. I was one with everything so i loved everything including those enumerated by you. After many realisations that came from 6th density teachings and experiences, i plunged back into 3rd density, with all my biases and personal opinions about what is right and wrong in a world conceived by me. In truth there is no right or wrong, and unity is the truth, but i chose to play into my reality back in 3rd density.
I think is a matter of choice. How do you wish to perceive your creation. It is not difficult to reach that state, it is difficult to stay there every moment of your life, because of the conditioning of the society. If everyone would feel unconditional love for everything, the reality would immediately reflect that back, and killers, rapists, etc, would not exist there. They exist only because of the subcounsciously choice of the creator.
I'd agree. I think to people with a bent towards STO, glimpses of this state are normal, but maintaining it steady is where stuff gets sketchy. Compassion for such entities is also one thing, but tolerance for the systems of misery they create is another entirely. There comes a point where this planet is going to go one way or the other, and it's looking like the way that will not continue to feed them-boo fucking hoo for them
. I'd say the biggest trap is outright hatred...I've heard of hatred as drinking poison and hoping the other guy dies from it, which is pretty accurate. If you've got it though, it's tough as nails to get rid of and you can't just simply shake it, so if one discovers hatred than shadow work/integration is what it will take.I'd also like to address a topic I find quite fascinating, sorry if I veer a bit off topic, but I think this ties into understanding and compassion a bit. The R bomb was dropped, as often is on these types of forums, but how much does anyone know about them really, besides what they've heard on every conspiracy forum and David Icke book? How deep here has anyone really dug, searching information wise, and/or searching within/consulting guidance, etc.? These beings are such a misunderstood topic that I think I should start a thread about them, and the goal is to not look like every other discussion about reptilians on the net, but to really get somewhere in terms of understanding. Just like not every human chooses/chose to be STO, not all of what you call reptilians are STS.
The reptilians people most frequently mention or have some sort of ties to went through 3d like everybody else and some of them chose STO. They are often used as an archetype of what is so alien or opposite from humans, but that is so laughably untrue to anyone who really digs a bit. First off, the 3d planet that the main group of reptilians people think of when they hear the word grew up on is Earth. They were seeded and raised here in much a similar way as us, somewhere in my estimation between 80 million years ago and the extinction event, with physical evidence they could have even been here much earlier( a bell of odd alloy in a 300 MYA lump of coal with a figure of one on top that looks exactly like 6000 year old Sumerian figures of this race). To at least some of the race that engineered them, they were meant to be a sort of perfect vehicle to god or source, with hugely enhanced senses(wanderers you know what its like to feel all your s*** is dialed up to 250%, just imagine). Not going to get too deep here, but the part no book or channeled source will tell you is that for this reason, I feel at least some of them were used and abused in an MK ultra style fashion. I think they just wanted to be young and innocent experience the 3d physical "amusement park" like all other beings, especially such a beautiful prehistoric world with heightened sense, but their creators kept them in austerity, meditation, sensory deprivation, and who knows what other chemical and technological methods to penetrate intelligent infinity. This would obviously lead to massive distortions like madness and rebellion. Sorry about the big info dump, this is probably a tiny piece to a story we should know, because these beings have a deep link to Earth and therefore to humanity.
RE: About compassion - Ray711 - 03-11-2020
(03-10-2020, 04:27 PM)Infinite Wrote: That means a balanced entity will feel compassion for killers, rapists, children abusers, terrorists, genocidal, black magicians, Orion's entitities, etc., right? I think difficult reach this state. What do you think?
Bloody difficult, indeed! It is not my belief that we need to achieve such absolute purity of love or balance here in 3rd density, though. Love becomes truly perfected towards the end of fourth density, millions of years ahead of where we're at, in incarnations taking place in bodies better built for such lessons. 3rd density is merely the choice of which kind of love (STS/absorbent or STO/radiant) we want to focus on and make perfect during the next few densities. Whereas fourth density bodies seem to be more full of light and joy, here in the density of choice, our human bodies and psychologies are built to always have a potential for good and another for evil, which makes it much more difficult to become pure in this density.
I believe that we should be delicate with ourselves in regards to where we are, individually, in terms of polarity. Just as, according to Ra, Hitler suffered a disintegration of his beingness due to polarizing towards the negative side more quickly than his mind/body/spirit complex could allow, we can suffer a similar fate if we become obsessed with loving too quickly and too purely those entities that are undeniably the hardest to love.
"We have advised and suggested caution and patience in previous communications and do so again, using this entity as an example of the over-hasty opening of polarization without due attention to the synthesized and integrated mind/body/spirit complex. To know your self is to have the foundation upon firm ground."
I believe this may actually be one of the less talked about dark parts of Christianity. When we're told to willingly give something else to an "evil" person on top of what they're trying to take away from us, or with the saying "turn the other cheek", these are acts of extreme positivity. But it's not taught how to achieve this state. We're told to do something that is so beyond what most of us can do comfortably, which goes against the important concept of giving service joyfully, and we're not told to be careful and compassionate with ourselves in terms of where we are in polarization. I see such lessons as being very harmful, because they invite self-judgment via unrealistic expectations, and the disregard for self-knowledge and self-compassion.
RE: About compassion - Black Dragon - 03-11-2020
(03-11-2020, 02:55 AM)Ray711 Wrote:(03-10-2020, 04:27 PM)Infinite Wrote: That means a balanced entity will feel compassion for killers, rapists, children abusers, terrorists, genocidal, black magicians, Orion's entitities, etc., right? I think difficult reach this state. What do you think?
Bloody difficult, indeed! It is not my belief that we need to achieve such absolute purity of love or balance here in 3rd density, though. Love becomes truly perfected towards the end of fourth density, millions of years ahead of where we're at, in incarnations taking place in bodies better built for such lessons. 3rd density is merely the choice of which kind of love (STS/absorbent or STO/radiant) we want to focus on and make perfect during the next few densities. Whereas fourth density bodies seem to be more full of light and joy, here in the density of choice, our human bodies and psychologies are built to always have a potential for good and another for evil, which makes it much more difficult to become pure in this density.
I believe that we should be delicate with ourselves in regards to where we are, individually, in terms of polarity. Just as, according to Ra, Hitler suffered a disintegration of his beingness due to polarizing towards the negative side more quickly than his mind/body/spirit complex could allow, we can suffer a similar fate if we become obsessed with loving too quickly and too purely those entities that are undeniably the hardest to love.
"We have advised and suggested caution and patience in previous communications and do so again, using this entity as an example of the over-hasty opening of polarization without due attention to the synthesized and integrated mind/body/spirit complex. To know your self is to have the foundation upon firm ground."
I believe this may actually be one of the less talked about dark parts of Christianity. When we're told to willingly give something else to an "evil" person on top of what they're trying to take away from us, or with the saying "turn the other cheek", these are acts of extreme positivity. But it's not taught how to achieve this state. We're told to do something that is so beyond what most of us can do comfortably, which goes against the important concept of giving service joyfully, and we're not told to be careful and compassionate with ourselves in terms of where we are in polarization. I see such lessons as being very harmful, because they invite self-judgment via unrealistic expectations, and the disregard for self-knowledge and self-compassion.
Couldn't have said it better. When lurking these forums I've seen every rationalization of pure negative martyrdom and sheephood masquerading as STO from " a person born in Nazi Germany that resisted the regime is STS cause he goes against the majority of society for his own ideals which is not STO" to "if somebody was attacking my loved one with a knife, physically hurting them to intervene would lose me some polarity brownie points so oh well go ahead and stab my family I'll let you so I don't lose any polarity fighting you". I've heard people argue here for an Orion style regime on earth, since the most "perfect" expression of polarity in 3d would be a society in which the STS rule and the STO serve... Yes, this Piscean martyrdom s*** has gone way out of whack to the point that people are aspiring to some mechanistic, mechanically pure, mental, rational, and totally not heart-centered or realistic version of what it is to be STO. At this point they become a cog in the misery machine and actually feed the negative agenda in an endless zero-sum polarity game that creates nothing but misery aka "loosh" for lazy, douchebag mid 6d negative entities who don't want to "reroll" to feed off of indefinitely. Even Q'uo said "sometimes when push comes to shove, shove must push back, sadly we say." If it's really all a game in the long run and behind the curtain the costumes come off and we all shake hands, if pure STS is forgivable in the end, then I can be forgiven for being myself, being STO at heart, yet not being a little b**** ass sadomasochist sheep willing to be stomped on 24/7, or much less see those I care about and purity, beauty, and innocence get stomped. What about happiness and joy? If you read the history of the original L/L Research crew, you'll find the saying Don carried to his untimely grave"Happiness is not the objective". We all know where that philosophy(which was a major distortion and probably an Orion suggestion to begin with) got him, and I'm not saying that to be harsh but with the utmost of love so people might learn from his experiences. We are who we are in this world, and I'm a fighter, not a sheep. We all need some challenges and adversity to grow, but I think STO have a right to happiness, freedom, and to stand our ground for our principles. Long live the fighters! Muad'dib! Muad'dib!
RE: About compassion - RitaJC - 03-11-2020
(03-10-2020, 04:27 PM)Infinite Wrote:Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This is an incorrect application of the balancing which we have discussed. The exercise of first experiencing feelings and then consciously discovering their antitheses within the being has as its objective not the smooth flow of feelings both positive and negative while remaining unswayed but rather the objective of becoming unswayed. This is a simpler result and takes much practice, shall we say.(42.2)
The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.
Quote:42.4 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel an emotional response when being attacked by the other-self?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.
Quote:Balance is not indifference but rather the observer not blinded by any feelings of separation but rather fully imbued with love.(42.5)
That means a balanced entity will feel compassion for killers, rapists, children abusers, terrorists, genocidal, black magicians, Orion's entitities, etc., right? I think difficult reach this state. What do you think?
In my experience, everything else is even more difficult, because it is against our true nature. But, yes, it takes the choice and then time and focus to rewire the illusory mind/body complex to different ways of processing information than it got conditioned to in the first half of this lifetime. But it's so worth it. Like moving from hell to heaven.
RE: About compassion - Ray711 - 03-11-2020
(03-11-2020, 03:32 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: I've seen every rationalization of pure negative martyrdom and sheephood masquerading as STO from " a person born in Nazi Germany that resisted the regime is STS cause he goes against the majority of society for his own ideals which is not STO" to "if somebody was attacking my loved one with a knife, physically hurting them to intervene would lose me some polarity brownie points
Yeah, the first argument is definitely wrong, and the opposite is actually what is reflected in the material. Of course, it matters how someone "resists" the regime, but being a part of it and serving those of one's society is definitely not STO, when said society is then going to enslave others. The green ray is called the ray of universal love, so it's definitely not about loving solely those close to the self. Besides, Ra themselves said that STO polarity is not about people pleasing, or about endlessly praising people while turning a blind on to what they're doing and what effects their actions have. Seeking truth is one of several ways in which to polarize positively. This is one of my favorite quotes from Ra, perhaps you'll like it too (if you didn't know about it already):
Quote:The entity which is given constant and unremitting approval by those surrounding it suffers from the loss of the mirroring effect of those which reflect truthfully rather than unquestioningly. This is not a suggestion to reinstate judgment but merely a suggestion for all those supporting instruments; that is, support, be harmonious, share in love, joy, and thanksgiving, but find love within truth, for each instrument benefits from this support more than from the total admiration which overcomes discrimination.
I find every word in this quote to be perfection. I love it.
In regards to the instance of letting a STS entity harm our loved ones, I have a perspective that is similar yet different from yours. Evil can't be fought with evil. To resort to violence or control is to show to the STS side that their techniques are the ones that are necessary. It's not just about one's polarity, it's about whether we're going to bring yet more darkness into the world. In that sense, I see the choice to not defend a loved one as a valid one in the STO side, and Ra states that it's the choice of purity in such a scenario. However, I agree with your perspective that to simply turn the other cheek in every situation entails a certain passivity that can result in a world dominated by darkness, where the light is just unable to shine. There is no perfect choice in such scenarios, and each of us has to decide what to do to the best of our knowledge, knowing that both choices entail advantages, but also disadvantages.
However, I would point out that this planet is already full with the thought pattern revolving around the idea that evil must be resisted and destroyed. Perhaps things wouldn't go well if everyone became absolutely pure and passive. But such a thing is not going to happen anytime soon, and definitely not in third density. On the other hand, having a few individuals that are of such purity and that act as an example and inspiration to others of what could be, might be exactly what the planet would benefit the most from.
I also agree with you on the notion that a harmonious planet whose society works under STO values would be a much better place in which to make The Choice than Earth. Venus had a gigantic harvest in comparison to us, showing that the huge amounts of pain, conflict and suffering that we have here on Earth actually make it more difficult to make The Choice, not easier. They do seem to entail good catalyst for those wandering souls that want to further their lessons in their home density, though, this being one reason why so many wanderers come here. But as an environment in which to make the basic Choice, for non-wanderers, Earth just seems terrible. An STS ruled society where the STO side is enslaved is definitely not good for anyone but the STS side itself.
RE: About compassion - Hilarion - 03-11-2020
One thing about the Ra material that I have trouble understanding is that they often refer to the term "Balanced polarity". I have been hesitant to visualize negative outcomes for fear of manifesting them or worse ressonating with negative philosophies. Is there something that I am missing in regards to this balancing and how visualising bad things can push one further along the positve path?
I have been focussing my attention on positve thoughts, people and outcomes, trying to create them in the outside world.
Is it in the way that we view and treat these negative outcomes, with acceptance and love?
RE: About compassion - kristina - 03-11-2020
(03-11-2020, 09:42 AM)Hilarion Wrote: One thing about the Ra material that I have trouble understanding is that they often refer to the term "Balanced polarity". I have been hesitant to visualize negative outcomes for fear of manifesting them or worse ressonating with negative philosophies. Is there something that I am missing in regards to this balancing and how visualising bad things can push one further along the positve path?I think this is an excellent statement or question:
I have been focussing my attention on positve thoughts, people and outcomes, trying to create them in the outside world.
Is it in the way that we view and treat these negative outcomes, with acceptance and love?
Quote:I have been hesitant to visualize negative outcomes for fear of manifesting them or worse ressonating with negative philosophies.The desire for manifestation would have to be there or the intent to manifest, or what we fear can manifest so that we can understand it.
If a negative thought or philosophy resonates with you, can you be open enough with yourself to ask why? Just a little open investigation without judging it to be negative or positive? Is that possible? I hear this is in your statement and could be incorrect: I don't want to think negatively in fear of making it happen. Which in fact might make it happen. You would be better to understand it with non-judgement and with an open mind rather than from the angle of "I don't want". That is my take.
RE: About compassion - kristina - 03-11-2020
(03-11-2020, 09:42 AM)Hilarion Wrote: One thing about the Ra material that I have trouble understanding is that they often refer to the term "Balanced polarity". I have been hesitant to visualize negative outcomes for fear of manifesting them or worse ressonating with negative philosophies. Is there something that I am missing in regards to this balancing and how visualising bad things can push one further along the positve path?
I have been focussing my attention on positve thoughts, people and outcomes, trying to create them in the outside world.
Is it in the way that we view and treat these negative outcomes, with acceptance and love?
I am going through something a little similar...I am seeing for the first time something that hides or has been buried for a very long time. I am doing my best to be open with this experience but it is so difficult and does not come without emotional pain. However, I cannot go on the way I have been as it is part of my own suffering. I want to release it but I must do from a loving non-judgemental place.
RE: About compassion - flofrog - 03-11-2020
Even the Buddhist have this expression
rightful anger
Just wondering if in some case would that emotion just do some deed ?
RE: About compassion - Black Dragon - 03-11-2020
(03-11-2020, 05:24 PM)flofrog Wrote: Even the Buddhist have this expressionMaybe its about channeling the anger into something proactive rather than destructive and/or or using it to bolster your determination to get stuff done? That makes the most sense to me.
rightful anger
Just wondering if in some case would that emotion just do some deed ?
RE: About compassion - flofrog - 03-11-2020
I think the Buddhist were thinking ‘ intervention yo protect someone’ which I think most of us do in like a lightening.. we see someone beaten, a man, a child, a dog and we throw ourself I between , I think that might be the meaning of rightful anger... ?