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Is the Infinite Creator something? - AnthroHeart - 03-02-2020
How can something be infinite?
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - Sacred Fool - 03-02-2020
(03-02-2020, 11:43 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: How can something be infinite?
Interesting question. What makes you think that anything is something? After all, anything you name will change form--and cease to be that thing--over some period of time. Can we say that anything nameable is not permanently a real thing--it merely appears to be so--because it is transient in nature?
It strikes me that something can be infinite if it is formless. And yet, if it is formless, how can it be?
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - Hilarion - 03-02-2020
how can something be finite?
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - sillypumpkins - 03-02-2020
I look at The Infinite Creator as everything.
It's like if The Infinite Creator was a delicious blueberry pie. A slice of that pie would be "something"
So, to answer your question, yes and no.
I feel that when we get into discussing what The Infinite Creator is, it can evoke confusion (for me at least), because it's the Divine Paradox. Our purpose in life isn't to know everything. It's just not something we can do as humans. With that being said, I don't believe we can know the answer to your question.
I welcome it regardless, because it's fun to discuss these things. The fact that our language can't scrape the surface of the whole picture makes it challenging. In a good way.
This is an interesting and thoughtful question
Be well and have fun :-)
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - AnthroHeart - 03-02-2020
I asked in another thread before if Creator was a concept.
Is a concept more fundamental than a something?
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - sillypumpkins - 03-02-2020
(03-02-2020, 09:37 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: I asked in another thread before if Creator was a concept.
Is a concept more fundamental than a something?
I'll take a jab at this: a 'concept' is a 'something' but a 'something' doesn't have to be a 'concept.' Kind of like how a rectangle is a square but a square isn't always a rectangle.
Something can be a couch, a sandwich, an idea, an emotion. A concept, to me at least, seems to be more centered within the mind. So, ideas, perceptions, biases, etc....
I wouldn't say a concept is more fundamental than a something. I might be wrong!
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - Hilarion - 03-03-2020
If you look at fractals, there is an infinitely complex pattern that is reapeating itself, but at each level of the fractal there is a boundary, the information inside of the boundary is infinite. This is an example of how something infinte can have a boundary and look finite, but inside it is infinite.
In a way everything that you look at can be seen as a boundary of the infinite, which has the illusion of being finite.
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - Signifyz - 03-03-2020
(03-02-2020, 11:00 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:(03-02-2020, 09:37 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: I asked in another thread before if Creator was a concept.
Is a concept more fundamental than a something?
I'll take a jab at this: a 'concept' is a 'something' but a 'something' doesn't have to be a 'concept.' Kind of like how a rectangle is a square but a square isn't always a rectangle.
Something can be a couch, a sandwich, an idea, an emotion. A concept, to me at least, seems to be more centered within the mind. So, ideas, perceptions, biases, etc....
I wouldn't say a concept is more fundamental than a something. I might be wrong!
Your post seems a bit upside down for me.
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - RitaJC - 03-03-2020
How can it be anything less than the beingness itself?
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - AnthroHeart - 03-03-2020
(03-03-2020, 09:11 AM)RitaJC Wrote: How can it be anything less than the beingness itself?
Is beingness the same as somethingness?
Are you saying that beingness is infinite?
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - sillypumpkins - 03-03-2020
(03-03-2020, 08:29 AM)Signifyz Wrote:(03-02-2020, 11:00 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:(03-02-2020, 09:37 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: I asked in another thread before if Creator was a concept.
Is a concept more fundamental than a something?
I'll take a jab at this: a 'concept' is a 'something' but a 'something' doesn't have to be a 'concept.' Kind of like how a rectangle is a square but a square isn't always a rectangle.
Something can be a couch, a sandwich, an idea, an emotion. A concept, to me at least, seems to be more centered within the mind. So, ideas, perceptions, biases, etc....
I wouldn't say a concept is more fundamental than a something. I might be wrong!
Your post seems a bit upside down for me.
It very well could be! Lol.
What about it is upside down for you?
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - RitaJC - 03-03-2020
(03-03-2020, 11:18 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote:(03-03-2020, 09:11 AM)RitaJC Wrote: How can it be anything less than the beingness itself?
Is beingness the same as somethingness?
Are you saying that beingness is infinite?
As I see it, somethingness and infinity are still things and categories.
Even beingness is actually.
The human intellect is too restricted to define the Creator.
"The Tao [the Creator] is the Way, the Way behind all ways, the principle underlying all principles, the fact underlying all
facts ." ~ Awakening to the Tao by Liu Yiming, translated by Thomas Cleary, Translator's Preface
As I see it, trusting, experiencing, and being open to revelations is the way to get to know the Creator.
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - Black Dragon - 03-03-2020
I have found(quite harshly so), that infinity is a concept best not probed at too much from the perspective of the mind or intellect, which is like a finite little vessel that can shatter if you overfill it with such existential questions. You can find yourself as one of those wanderers that "feel they have discovered a great and awful truth about the universe, to the effect that some wounds will not heal". If there is to be any tangible grasp of infinity to be had within a 3d incarnation, it will be through the heart and not the intellect.
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - EvolvingPhoenix - 03-03-2020
Aren't they techinically EVERYTHING, by definition?
I dunno.
Understanding is not of the 3rd density.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - Signifyz - 03-04-2020
(03-03-2020, 12:18 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:(03-03-2020, 08:29 AM)Signifyz Wrote:(03-02-2020, 11:00 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote: I'll take a jab at this: a 'concept' is a 'something' but a 'something' doesn't have to be a 'concept.' Kind of like how a rectangle is a square but a square isn't always a rectangle.
Something can be a couch, a sandwich, an idea, an emotion. A concept, to me at least, seems to be more centered within the mind. So, ideas, perceptions, biases, etc....
I wouldn't say a concept is more fundamental than a something. I might be wrong!
Your post seems a bit upside down for me.
It very well could be! Lol.
What about it is upside down for you?
Every "something" has corresponding concept of that something. When you think of "a couch, a sandwich, an idea, an emotion", you have concepts of it in your mind. On the other hand, nothing is a concept, however it's not something.
Also square is always rectangle but not every rectangle is square.
RE: Is the Infinite Creator something? - unity100 - 03-04-2020
(03-02-2020, 11:43 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: How can something be infinite?
Something cannot be infinite. To be infinite, that something also must be 'not something'. Its imbalance of being something must be balanced with not being something to cancel each other out by combining.
The moment you are able to describe something by any adjective, that thing is not infinite in whatever adjective you use. Its deviated from total equilibrium.
Therefore when we say 'infinite creator', we call it 'creator', which signifies a certain meaning. This means variation from total equilibrium, which means that whatever is described is not infinite in absolute sense. Creator is infinite, compared to us, however it is still 'creator'. It is not creator and 'not creator' combined perfectly in perfect balance, therefore, neutral/inert to outside.
Further; Infinity also cannot be infinite since it is described as infinite. To be infinite, infinity must also be finite, and its infinity and finity must balance in each other in perfect amount and harmony.
Which makes infinity impossible to describe, impossible to use adjectives to talk about, makes it a mystery. That is what Ra says when they say that all beings and ends in mystery.
Then again, mystery cannot be infinite because it is mysterious, so it must also be known at the same time, so...