Quote:I am Ra... If you will picture with me the side of the so-called pyramid shape and mentally imagine this triangle cut into four equal triangles, you will find the intersection of the triangle, which is at the first level on each of the four sides, forms a diamond in a plane which is horizontal. The middle of this plane is the appropriate place for the intersection of the energies streaming from the infinite dimensions and the mind/body/spirit complexes of various interwoven energy fields. Thus it was designed that the one to be initiated would, by mind, be able to perceive and then channel this, shall we say, gateway to intelligent infinity. This, then, was the second point of designing this specific shape.

Quote:In regard to spirits, there are the superior and the inferior. Names of the superiors are: Lucifer,
Beelzebuth, Astaroth. The inferiors of Lucifer are in Europe and Asia, and obey him.
Beelzebuth lives in Africa, and Astaroth inhabits America.

(12-06-2019, 03:36 PM)Aion Wrote: Note this Astaroth is a male demon and not the Sumerian Ishtar who is sometimes referred to as As(h)taroth.

(12-06-2019, 02:47 AM)Aion Wrote: I mean, I could find a lot of forms in those shapes, but each will see as they see.

(12-06-2019, 04:07 PM)Aion Wrote: Ah I admit I don't really buy it as a direct correlation, but it's an interesting superimposition. I don't think you're entirely wrong, just that there is more than meets the eye to this.

That being said, Ra claims to be from Venus, and it is Venus that is called the Morning Star, Lucifer, and is a way that Yeshua(Jesus) was referred to in the Easter Proclamation prayer.

Lucifer is an interesting character, no doubt about that.

(12-06-2019, 07:26 PM)Infinite Wrote: Remembering that according Ra, Lucifer is a Logos. I believe the view of Lucifer as an angel or archangel which caused a rebellion in the sky, is a myth as the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve. A myth about the implementation of veil in very ancient times.

(12-06-2019, 07:49 PM)morodloeth Wrote: What is the significance of the Sigil of Lucifer being contained in the Great Pyramid? I understand Ra is also known as Marduk, Amon, and probably Zeus. The pyramid when viewed from above also resembles the Templar Cross, a photon. So the association with light makes the sigil connection more likely.

(12-06-2019, 07:30 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:

(12-06-2019, 07:26 PM)Infinite Wrote: Remembering that according Ra, Lucifer is a Logos. I believe the view of Lucifer as an angel or archangel which caused a rebellion in the sky, is a myth as the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve. A myth about the implementation of veil in very ancient times.

Wait, so eating the apple of knowledge caused the veil of forgetting metaphorically?
I thought it would open their eyes.

Quote:77.17 ▶ Questioner: Now, would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, there was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function only of this positive polarization evolving from our original creation of sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

(12-07-2019, 03:00 AM)Aion Wrote: Here is the only time that Ra speaks the word Lucifer in the whole Ra Material:

Quote:77.17 ▶ Questioner: Now, would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, there was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function only of this positive polarization evolving from our original creation of sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

What's interesting is that Ra offered this particular analogy on their own without the group making any reference to Lucifer. The only other time it shows up in the material is a later session, 84, when Don says "Lucifer or the Devil" in reference to the Tarot card. Thus, it strikes that Ra clearly already thinks about Lucifer in a particular way.

This is actually in parallel with Gnosticism, which often views Lucifer as a liberating force.

(12-06-2019, 07:30 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Wait, so eating the apple of knowledge caused the veil of forgetting metaphorically?
I thought it would open their eyes.

(12-07-2019, 03:00 AM)Aion Wrote: What's interesting is that Ra offered this particular analogy on their own without the group making any reference to Lucifer. The only other time it shows up in the material is a later session, 84, when Don says "Lucifer or the Devil" in reference to the Tarot card. Thus, it strikes that Ra clearly already thinks about Lucifer in a particular way.

(12-07-2019, 09:34 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: In one particular angle you may be able to see in the lines an image you already know.  Sometimes I see an inverted pentagram in the straps of a woman’s top. I know that’s not what she’s intending to portray. I can see an inverted pentagram when I draw a star sometimes; because of my slanted writing, it looks like it’s inverted but it’s not.

I don’t think it’s anything more than coicindence. Also I doubt this symbol for Lucifer was a symbol some thousands of years ago. I don’t even think Lucifer was known as Lucifer then. The Egyptian dark gods are Set and Typhon. The Jews weren’t called out of Egypt until some time after all of this. And it’s the Gnostics who really developed that idea of Lucifer. So that places the time line around 2000 years ago. The Great Pyramid was build long before even 2000 years ago.

(12-06-2019, 04:15 PM)Kaaron Wrote:

(12-06-2019, 04:07 PM)Aion Wrote: Ah I admit I don't really buy it as a direct correlation, but it's an interesting superimposition. I don't think you're entirely wrong, just that there is more than meets the eye to this.

That being said, Ra claims to be from Venus, and it is Venus that is called the Morning Star, Lucifer, and is a way that Yeshua(Jesus) was referred to in the Easter Proclamation prayer.

Lucifer is an interesting character, no doubt about that.

I've always thought its interesting that Lucifer is associated with venus.
Ra came as golden beings, close to the image of light.
Lucifer transforms himself into an angel of light.
I feel like Ra are very selective in their wording and alot of information is almost held back, as a way of averting the assumption that would be the result, of being more direct with info regarding their roles in humanity's progression, or maybe regression.

Quote:64.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you describe or tell me of rituals or technique used by Ra in seeking in the direction of service?

Ra: I am Ra. To speak of that which sixth-density social memory complexes labor within in order to advance is at best misprision of plain communication for much is lost in transmission of concept from density to density, and the discussion of sixth density is inevitably distorted greatly.

However, we shall attempt to speak to your query for it is an helpful one in that it allows us to express once again the total unity of creation. We seek the Creator upon a level of shared experience to which you are not privy and rather than surrounding ourselves in light we have become light. Our understanding is that there is no other material except light. Our rituals, as you may call them, are an infinitely subtle continuation of the balancing processes which you are now beginning to experience.

We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek.

(12-07-2019, 06:07 PM)kristina Wrote:

(12-06-2019, 04:15 PM)Kaaron Wrote:

(12-06-2019, 04:07 PM)Aion Wrote: Ah I admit I don't really buy it as a direct correlation, but it's an interesting superimposition. I don't think you're entirely wrong, just that there is more than meets the eye to this.

That being said, Ra claims to be from Venus, and it is Venus that is called the Morning Star, Lucifer, and is a way that Yeshua(Jesus) was referred to in the Easter Proclamation prayer.

Lucifer is an interesting character, no doubt about that.

I've always thought its interesting that Lucifer is associated with venus.
Ra came as golden beings, close to the image of light.
Lucifer transforms himself into an angel of light.
I feel like Ra are very selective in their wording and alot of information is almost held back, as a way of averting the assumption that would be the result, of being more direct with info regarding their roles in humanity's progression, or maybe regression.

Quote:64.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you describe or tell me of rituals or technique used by Ra in seeking in the direction of service?

Ra: I am Ra. To speak of that which sixth-density social memory complexes labor within in order to advance is at best misprision of plain communication for much is lost in transmission of concept from density to density, and the discussion of sixth density is inevitably distorted greatly.

However, we shall attempt to speak to your query for it is an helpful one in that it allows us to express once again the total unity of creation. We seek the Creator upon a level of shared experience to which you are not privy and rather than surrounding ourselves in light we have become light. Our understanding is that there is no other material except light. Our rituals, as you may call them, are an infinitely subtle continuation of the balancing processes which you are now beginning to experience.

We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek.

I thought I would quote this since you said soething about the SMC called Ra being close to the image of light.
Wisdom without love is the closest thing to me that Lucifer would signify since Lucifer means bringer of light. This may have been mentioned by another seeker and did not catch their comment.

(12-08-2019, 07:29 AM)Aion Wrote: I would to put to all the 'questioning nature'. The nature of rebellion, of not simply accepting but challenging, and going through that challenge towards a greater belief.

A questioning of the rules and a bending of God's will. These are both allegorical and metaphorical. Lucifer is that seeking nature in all of us that causes us to look beyond and seek the truth. This is in symbol.

Is there an entity named Lucifer which gallivants about the galaxy? Actually, more than one.

Quote:84.19 ▶ Questioner: I didn’t mean to cover previously covered material. I was trying to work into a better understanding of what we’re talking about, with background of the veiling process, and what I was actually attempting to do was to discover something new in asking the question, so please if I ask any questions in the future that have already been covered don’t bother to repeat the material. I am just searching the same area for the possibility of greater enlightenment with respect to the particular area since it seems to be one of the major areas of experience in our present condition of veiling that produces a very large amount of catalyst and I am trying to understand, to use a poor term, how this veiling process created a greater experience and how this experience evolved, shall I say. The questions are very difficult at times to ask.

It occurs to me that many statues or drawings of the one known as Lucifer or the Devil is shown with an erection. Is this a function of this orange-ray blockage, and was this, shall we say, known by, in some minimal way, you might say, by those who devised these statues and drawings etc.?

Ra: I am Ra. There is, of course, much other distortion involved in a discussion of any mythic archetypical form. However, we may answer in the affirmative and note that you are perceptive.

77.17 ▶ Questioner: Now, would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, there was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function only of this positive polarization evolving from our original creation of sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

(12-08-2019, 07:29 AM)Aion Wrote: I would to put to all the 'questioning nature'. The nature of rebellion, of not simply accepting but challenging, and going through that challenge towards a greater belief.

A questioning of the rules and a bending of God's will. These are both allegorical and metaphorical. Lucifer is that seeking nature in all of us that causes us to look beyond and seek the truth. This is in symbol.

(12-08-2019, 07:29 AM)Aion Wrote: I would to put to all the 'questioning nature'. The nature of rebellion, of not simply accepting but challenging, and going through that challenge towards a greater belief.

A questioning of the rules and a bending of God's will. These are both allegorical and metaphorical. Lucifer is that seeking nature in all of us that causes us to look beyond and seek the truth. This is in symbol.

Is there an entity named Lucifer which gallivants about the galaxy? Actually, more than one.

(12-09-2019, 04:33 PM)JimiPickle Wrote: Wait, so eating the apple of knowledge caused the veil of forgetting metaphorically?
I thought it would open their eyes.