(05-31-2019, 06:12 AM)Dtris Wrote: A second density being has some self awareness, but it is in relation to the group, pair bond, or species. For a beaver "I" would include the mate and children and other nearby beavers.

Self awareness then is the second density being becoming aware of their individuality as a distinct part of the group different from any other part.

That is my current understanding.

(05-31-2019, 06:21 AM)David_1 Wrote:    I have also wondered what self-awareness is.  Actually, I don’t know.  I try to think of an example of “Does it matter to me?”  We often make decisions in relations with others because of what we think they will think as a result.  I suspect a being who is not self-aware will not care what others think.
   

(05-31-2019, 06:22 AM)schubert Wrote:

(05-31-2019, 06:12 AM)Dtris Wrote: A second density being has some self awareness, but it is in relation to the group, pair bond, or species. For a beaver "I" would include the mate and children and other nearby beavers.

Self awareness then is the second density being becoming aware of their individuality as a distinct part of the group different from any other part.

That is my current understanding.

oh i never thought about it like that. thats kind of odd because then a big issue in 3rd density is separation, beings go right from being too connected to not connected enough?

(05-31-2019, 02:56 AM)schubert Wrote: ...2nd density doesnt have self awareness and gaining that marks the jump into 3rd density?

Quote:i guess im asking what self awareness means. theyre obviously aware of their bodies cause they take care of themselves

(05-31-2019, 01:11 PM)flofrog Wrote: definitely  self-awareness also to me means third density as seeing one self distinct

on the other hand,  Creator having created the all,  then I feel, when I am calm as a clam (!) that everything everything has the awareness of Creator and then I can even feel love coming from the sidewalk to me...  lol

(05-31-2019, 01:03 PM)Salt Wrote: With that in mind, you may begin to grasp the awareness of 2D: it is instinctual. It is not individuated. Does one cell say "I am distinctively John Doe, I like board games, and my favorite color is green"? When does the cell end and the giraffe begin? What is doing the thinking? What is aware of what?

(05-31-2019, 02:56 AM)schubert Wrote: what does Ra mean when they say that 2nd density doesnt have self awareness and gaining that marks the jump into 3rd density? everything got some self awareness. is a beaver not acting in its best interest when it builds a little dam? what else is it gonna do you know? how would a beaver "having self awareness" look differently?

i guess im asking what self awareness means. theyre obviously aware of their bodies cause they take care of themselves but i guess you could say theyre not aware of their thought processes?? so how would a beaver that can analyze its thought process act differently? i cant think of anything lol

Quote:19.11 Questioner: Can you tell me how this new bodily complex was suited to third-density lessons and what those lessons were?

Ra: I am Ra. There is one necessity for third density. That necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness. In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of the abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. This was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results.

The third-density mind was capable of processing information in such a way as to think abstractly and in what could be termed “useless” ways, in the sense of survival. This is the primary requisite.

There are other important ingredients: the necessity for a weaker physical vehicle to encourage the use of the mind, the development of the already present awareness of the social complex. These also being necessary: the further development of physical dexterity in the sense of the hand, as you call this portion of your body complex.

Quote:90.9 Questioner: Then there is an extreme variation in the form of the physical vehicle in third density in the universe. I assume this is also true of fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is so. We remind you that it is a great theoretical distance between demanding that the creatures of an infinite creation be unnoticeably similar to oneself and observing those signs which may be called human which denote the third-density characteristics of self-consciousness; the grouping into pairs, societal groups, and races; and the further characteristic means of using self-consciousness to refine and search for the meaning of the milieu.

(05-31-2019, 01:03 PM)Salt Wrote:

(05-31-2019, 02:56 AM)schubert Wrote: ...2nd density doesnt have self awareness and gaining that marks the jump into 3rd density?

OK, let's break things down a bit. Most people associate 2D with the domesticated house pet. These are borderline 3D already. And then there's all the other medium/large-sized (typically furry/mammalian) more familiar animals. Like your beavers. And giraffes!

Here's what's most often overlooked (and underappreciated):

2D spans approximately 4 billion years, 7/8ths of which are spent in a purely cellular/genetic state. Pause there and think about that for a moment. Strictly speaking, 2D isn't animals & plants. But animal/plants are comprised of cells.

The appearance of animals/plants occurs at the very late stages of 2D when those cellular structures begin to organize into specialized organs (from hearts, lungs, brains & gonads, to eyes, ears & tongues, to that marvelous skin mesh—or exoskeleton, should that be your case—that wraps the whole thing together) which bundle up to form an organism proper. This is colloquially known as the "Cambrian Explosion" (~500 million years ago). All major/active phyla (body plans) today "suddenly" appeared then. (*For those who wish to ponder this further, think 2D.6)

So when people talk about 2D, they are usually only skimming over the surface: that last 1/8th of the 2D spectrum. At its core, 2D is purely cellular/genetic. The resultant animal/plant is the "apex" achievement of 2D (which naturally leads to the "erection" of one of those candidate lifeforms into 3D almost "right away").

Whew, that was a bit of an introduction.



With that in mind, you may begin to grasp the awareness of 2D: it is instinctual. It is not individuated. Does one cell say "I am distinctively John Doe, I like board games, and my favorite color is green"? When does the cell end and the giraffe begin? What is doing the thinking? What is aware of what?

You see a flock of birds or a school of fish flying/swimming in unison. Yes, their bodies are distinctively separate: you see "many" copies of the same body plan and think them individuated (because you yourself are individuated/self-aware), but their awareness has no "selfness" to it. Selfness requires a "you" for there to be a "me". The awareness of 2D may be likened to racial/species awareness. It isn't a huge deal for one of its members to die. The "law" of 2D is propagation/multiplication of the species: to make more copies/duplicates of itself (keeping that species cyclically reincarnated and evolving/disseminating its gene pool further).

This is, however, a sign that self-awareness is right around the corner. It just begins with the duplication of bodies first. Duplicate bodies allow for a sort of mirroring effect in mind, in which the appropriate 2D candidate may look upon itself (in the reflection of another member of the species) and undergo the "you, me, different, not same?" realization that sparks 3D/self-awareness.

This is super evident with house pets (and many farm animals) when paired with an already individuated/self-aware 3D mirror which speeds up the process significantly.

Quote:i guess im asking what self awareness means. theyre obviously aware of their bodies cause they take care of themselves

It's just instinctual "survival awareness". Physical maintenance requires no self-awareness. Don't forget 2D is unveiled, so it operates completely in harmony with the universe/nature. This is difficult enough to understand considering 3D entities are veiled from that vast underlying ocean of intrinsic metaphysical (deep mind) and spiritual awareness (it's worse on Earth where most of the population is "stuck" on the teeny, tiny tip of the iceberg, believing that's all there is to it and make no effort to dive deep underneath), enhancing the apparent individuation in self-identity. Recall 3D before the universal veiling experiment: there was en ever-present, undeniable awareness that all things were interconnected and part of the same.

Either way, self-awareness simply means individuation of a "me" from a "you".

Quote:What the mirror test shows, Gallup said, is self-awareness, which he defines as “the ability to become the object of your own attention.” And he believes this implies a certain rare intellect. Any animal that can recognize itself in a mirror, Gallup thinks, can potentially recognize that others have their own minds and even empathize with them. A sense of self means a sense of selves.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-self-aware-fish-raises-doubts-about-a-cognitive-test-20181212/

(06-02-2019, 04:11 PM)loostudent Wrote: Anyone heard of the mirror test? It's inventor is Gordon Gallup ...

Quote:What the mirror test shows, Gallup said, is self-awareness, which he defines as “the ability to become the object of your own attention.” And he believes this implies a certain rare intellect. Any animal that can recognize itself in a mirror, Gallup thinks, can potentially recognize that others have their own minds and even empathize with them. A sense of self means a sense of selves.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-self-aware-fish-raises-doubts-about-a-cognitive-test-20181212/

That's interesting because other humans are also our mirrors. Not just for studying the self but also for learning social awareness and love.

(06-01-2019, 10:27 AM)Infinite Wrote: The answer is "abstract thought":

Quote:19.11 Questioner: Can you tell me how this new bodily complex was suited to third-density lessons and what those lessons were?

Ra: I am Ra. There is one necessity for third density. That necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness. In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of the abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. This was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results.

The third-density mind was capable of processing information in such a way as to think abstractly and in what could be termed “useless” ways, in the sense of survival. This is the primary requisite.

There are other important ingredients: the necessity for a weaker physical vehicle to encourage the use of the mind, the development of the already present awareness of the social complex. These also being necessary: the further development of physical dexterity in the sense of the hand, as you call this portion of your body complex.

Quote:90.9 Questioner: Then there is an extreme variation in the form of the physical vehicle in third density in the universe. I assume this is also true of fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is so. We remind you that it is a great theoretical distance between demanding that the creatures of an infinite creation be unnoticeably similar to oneself and observing those signs which may be called human which denote the third-density characteristics of self-consciousness; the grouping into pairs, societal groups, and races; and the further characteristic means of using self-consciousness to refine and search for the meaning of the milieu.

It's the questionament about the sense of the things. Philosophical thinking. The sense of "Who I am?", "What I am?" Second density is instinctive in their actions and thinking.

(05-31-2019, 01:03 PM)Silk Wrote:

(05-31-2019, 02:56 AM)schubert Wrote: ...2nd density doesnt have self awareness and gaining that marks the jump into 3rd density?

OK, let's break things down a bit. Most people associate 2D with the domesticated house pet. These are borderline 3D already. And then there's all the other medium/large-sized (typically furry/mammalian) more familiar animals. Like your beavers. And giraffes!

Here's what's most often overlooked (and underappreciated):

2D spans approximately 4 billion years, 7/8ths of which are spent in a purely cellular/genetic state. Pause there and think about that for a moment. Strictly speaking, 2D isn't animals & plants. But animal/plants are comprised of cells.

The appearance of animals/plants occurs at the very late stages of 2D when those cellular structures begin to organize into specialized organs (from hearts, lungs, brains & gonads, to eyes, ears & tongues, to that marvelous skin mesh—or exoskeleton, should that be your case—that wraps the whole thing together) which bundle up to form an organism proper. This is colloquially known as the "Cambrian Explosion" (~500 million years ago). All major/active phyla (body plans) today "suddenly" appeared then. (*For those who wish to ponder this further, think 2D.6)

So when people talk about 2D, they are usually only skimming over the surface: that last 1/8th of the 2D spectrum. At its core, 2D is purely cellular/genetic. The resultant animal/plant is the "apex" achievement of 2D (which naturally leads to the "erection" of one of those candidate lifeforms into 3D almost "right away").

Whew, that was a bit of an introduction.



With that in mind, you may begin to grasp the awareness of 2D: it is instinctual. It is not individuated. Does one cell say "I am distinctively John Doe, I like board games, and my favorite color is green"? When does the cell end and the giraffe begin? What is doing the thinking? What is aware of what?

You see a flock of birds or a school of fish flying/swimming in unison. Yes, their bodies are distinctively separate: you see "many" copies of the same body plan and think them individuated (because you yourself are individuated/self-aware), but their awareness has no "selfness" to it. Selfness requires a "you" for there to be a "me". The awareness of 2D may be likened to racial/species awareness. It isn't a huge deal for one of its members to die. The "law" of 2D is propagation/multiplication of the species: to make more copies/duplicates of itself (keeping that species cyclically reincarnated and evolving/disseminating its gene pool further).

This is, however, a sign that self-awareness is right around the corner. It just begins with the duplication of bodies first. Duplicate bodies allow for a sort of mirroring effect in mind, in which the appropriate 2D candidate may look upon itself (in the reflection of another member of the species) and undergo the "you, me, different, not same?" realization that sparks 3D/self-awareness.

This is super evident with house pets (and many farm animals) when paired with an already individuated/self-aware 3D mirror which speeds up the process significantly.

Quote:i guess im asking what self awareness means. theyre obviously aware of their bodies cause they take care of themselves

It's just instinctual "survival awareness". Physical maintenance requires no self-awareness. Don't forget 2D is unveiled, so it operates completely in harmony with the universe/nature. This is difficult enough to understand considering 3D entities are veiled from that vast underlying ocean of intrinsic metaphysical (deep mind) and spiritual awareness (it's worse on Earth where most of the population is "stuck" on the teeny, tiny tip of the iceberg, believing that's all there is to it and make no effort to dive deep underneath), enhancing the apparent individuation in self-identity. Recall 3D before the universal veiling experiment: there was en ever-present, undeniable awareness that all things were interconnected and part of the same.

Either way, self-awareness simply means individuation of a "me" from a "you".