Quote:in that if you do no action others will use you towards their goals and that will eventually land you at 100% STO

Quote:for me STS would be organization, politics, society, government, activity

Quote:there are beings like Satan who have dedicated themselves to be the last being to merge back with god so they feel "victory" over gods creation

(05-15-2019, 06:07 PM)flofrog Wrote: As Merrick said, if you don't polarize, you just do not. You do not automatically polarize STO by just sitting.  

The thing with STO is that when you consciously do it, decide to serve others, and doing it with pure love, it does give you such ecstatic moments of love that it becomes something you are are happy to research more and more. Then you really forget about STS or whether you have a low or high percentage of STS within.  STO takes you, life changes completely,  humans become your friends and it's hard to not see another human as not yourself.
It doesn't mean you are not going to rest,  take care of your body,  eat an ice-cream, watch a good movie, but the joy that  service to others gives you is such that it stays with you and you realize life is truly wonderful.  Somehow the reward of STO is more STO  

lol  I remember a talk of the Dalai Lama where someone asked him what is the reward of courage, and the Dalai Lama said it's courage. I thought it was such a cool answer and I think STO is the same  

Quote:3.10 ▶ Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives, and is the Law of One, such things as the building of a pyramid by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand? Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One.

In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains. The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.

We cannot say what is beyond this dissolution of the unified self with all that there is, for we still seek to become all that there is, and still are we Ra. Thus our paths go onward.

(05-15-2019, 07:04 PM)Cyan Wrote:

(05-15-2019, 06:07 PM)flofrog Wrote: As Merrick said, if you don't polarize, you just do not. You do not automatically polarize STO by just sitting.  

The thing with STO is that when you consciously do it, decide to serve others, and doing it with pure love, it does give you such ecstatic moments of love that it becomes something you are are happy to research more and more. Then you really forget about STS or whether you have a low or high percentage of STS within.  STO takes you, life changes completely,  humans become your friends and it's hard to not see another human as not yourself.
It doesn't mean you are not going to rest,  take care of your body,  eat an ice-cream, watch a good movie, but the joy that  service to others gives you is such that it stays with you and you realize life is truly wonderful.  Somehow the reward of STO is more STO  

lol  I remember a talk of the Dalai Lama where someone asked him what is the reward of courage, and the Dalai Lama said it's courage. I thought it was such a cool answer and I think STO is the same  

Good buddhist jibe with the just sitting, actually just sitting should get you to 6.5 if we follow buddhism, but most people cant "just ssit" in fact if anything it makes me more convinced that to get to positive all you have to do is "just sit" to get to negative you have to use your own mind for your benefit, i somehow feel STS is more comfortable with me now, anyway if the choice is correct at least ill be around to help you guys when you get to 4th D

(05-15-2019, 03:49 PM)Cyan Wrote: in that if you do no action others will use you towards their goals and that will eventually land you at 100% STO,

(05-16-2019, 03:34 PM)Cyan Wrote: Perhaps if I do choose STS intentionally and im right about organic matter being preferrential to serve itself I can give all'yall a hand when we get to the 4th D. Wonder if that thought is STS or STO.

Anyway, good discussion, im just starting to feel like STS is the natural choice for organic matter and STO the natural choice for non organic matter like planets or stars and the biggest hurdle for STS civilizations is destroying their own planet instead of being able to at least protect it. Dunno.

Quote:16.30 ▶ Questioner: Can you tell me what percentage of third-, fourth-, and fifth-density planets which you have spoken of here are negatively polarized, polarized towards service for self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is not a query to which we may speak given the Law of Confusion. We may say only that the negatively or self-service oriented planetary spheres are much fewer. To give you exact numbers would not be appropriate.

Quote:50.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you give an example of negative polarization sharing love of self? It would seem to me that that would deplete negative polarization. Could you expand on that concept?

Ra: I am Ra. We may not use examples of known beings due to the infringement this would cause. Thus we must be general.

The negatively oriented being will be one who feels that it has found power that gives meaning to its existence precisely as the positive polarization does feel. This negative entity will strive to offer these understandings to other-selves, most usually by the process of forming the elite, the disciples, and teaching the need and rightness of the enslavement of other-selves for their own good. These other-selves are conceived to be dependent upon the self and in need of the guidance and the wisdom of the self.

(05-16-2019, 04:33 PM)Cyan Wrote: No, im not interested in blocking the heart, to me my STS seems more higher density and involves the heart, i think the more appropriate action would be to guard the heart, perhaps along the lines of spacemarine priest saying that "A open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." instead of actively seeking to refuse it. The way I see it I feel more inclination towards a political action than spiritual action and when you think of humanity in the 4th density positive what would be serve but other planets, to me this seems folly and the best service would be to our own memory complex and to add contact with others to it slowly over time instead of seeking to serve other complexes, it seems like such service to others would be much more difficult than service to self as it would entail a completely different level of understanding of the needs of others than would be naturally forthcoming for understanding of the needs of selves, the service to others would always entail saying that their desires to serve themselves are "misguided" and we must seek to serve their "higher self" which wants what we know it wants and not what the person wants, that to me seems highly evil and not just STS.

I think it would be more natural to run a service to self oriented 4th density society that slowly builds itself rather than one of the STOs that would be hard pressed to be of true service, though this seems more like the attitude of a 5th density STO than an STS but somehow I feel a call to the STS side, perhaps my services could be better used there. Either way, if I do end up polarizing self and some of you land in the same density I think we could help each other quite well.

(05-16-2019, 05:59 PM)Cyan Wrote: Wasnt it Taras Bulba?

(05-16-2019, 03:34 PM)Cyan Wrote: Perhaps if I do choose STS intentionally and im right about organic matter being preferrential to serve itself I can give all'yall a hand when we get to the 4th D. Wonder if that thought is STS or STO.

Anyway, good discussion, im just starting to feel like STS is the natural choice for organic matter and STO the natural choice for non organic matter like planets or stars and the biggest hurdle for STS civilizations is destroying their own planet instead of being able to at least protect it. Dunno.

(05-17-2019, 11:49 AM)redchartreuse Wrote: In all honesty, I'm not convinced the whole STO/STS trope has turned out to be very helpful at all.  As near as I can discern, it has resulted in way more confusion than clarity.

Quote:At the core, it is quite contradictory to lay out a philosophy whose central tenet is that we are all one being, and then promulgate an ethical theory which rests upon carving out the "self" as something apart from everything else.

Quote:So where is the "self" in all this?  If a parasite in my brain caused me to take a risky action that brought harm to another, why should "I" accept the karma of that, and agree to future suffering to "learn love"?  Go torture and harass the parasite to be "more loving" is what I'd say to the so-called "Lords of Karma".  Seriously what a joke!

Quote:Nonetheless, if you want to explore "STS" (whatever that means to you) I say go for it!  Personally, I have much more respect for a being who is unabashedly selfish, than a bunch of posers hanging out in the sinkhole wasting life energy and mucking things up for the rest of us who have grown tired of the merry-go-round of earth.

(05-16-2019, 04:33 PM)Cyan Wrote: No, im not interested in blocking the heart, to me my STS seems more higher density and involves the heart, i think the more appropriate action would be to guard the heart, perhaps along the lines of spacemarine priest saying that "A open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." instead of actively seeking to refuse it. The way I see it I feel more inclination towards a political action than spiritual action and when you think of humanity in the 4th density positive what would be serve but other planets, to me this seems folly and the best service would be to our own memory complex and to add contact with others to it slowly over time instead of seeking to serve other complexes, it seems like such service to others would be much more difficult than service to self as it would entail a completely different level of understanding of the needs of others than would be naturally forthcoming for understanding of the needs of selves, the service to others would always entail saying that their desires to serve themselves are "misguided" and we must seek to serve their "higher self" which wants what we know it wants and not what the person wants, that to me seems highly evil and not just STS.

I think it would be more natural to run a service to self oriented 4th density society that slowly builds itself rather than one of the STOs that would be hard pressed to be of true service, though this seems more like the attitude of a 5th density STO than an STS but somehow I feel a call to the STS side, perhaps my services could be better used there. Either way, if I do end up polarizing self and some of you land in the same density I think we could help each other quite well.