Quote:12.15 Questioner: Is it possible for an entity here on Earth to be so confused as to call both the Confederation and the Orion group in [an] alternating way, one, then the other, [inaudible] back to [inaudible]?

Ra: I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented towards service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.

Quote:16.9 Questioner: If the Orion group was able to land, would this increase their polarization? What I am trying to get at is, is it better for them to work behind the scenes and get recruits, shall we say, from our planet, the person on our planet going towards service to self strictly on his own using his free will, or is it just as good for the Orion group to land upon our planet and demonstrate remarkable powers and get people like that?

Ra: I am Ra. The first instance is, in the long run, shall we put it, more salubrious for the Orion group in that it does not infringe upon the Law of One by landing and, thus, does its work through those of this planet. In the second circumstance, a mass landing would create a loss of polarization due to the infringement upon the free will of the planet. However, it would be a gamble. If the planet then were conquered and became part of the Empire, the free will would then be re-established. This is restrained in action due to the desire of the Orion group to progress towards the One Creator. This desire to progress inhibits the group from breaking the Law of Confusion.

Quote:55.4 Questioner: Am I to understand then— just the fact that the third-density entity on this planet, just the fact that he calls or bids an Orion Crusader is a polarizing type of action that affects both entities?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The calling mechanism is not congruent in the slightest degree with the bidding mechanism. In the calling, the entity which calls is a suppliant neophyte asking for aid in negative understanding, if you may excuse this misnomer. The Orion response increases its negative polarity as it is disseminating the negative philosophy, thereby enslaving or bidding the entity calling.

There are instances, however, when the contact becomes a contest which is prototypical of negativity. In this contest, the caller will attempt, not to ask for aid, but to demand results. Since the third-density negatively oriented harvestable entity has at its disposal an incarnative experiential nexus and since Orion Crusaders are, in a great extent, bound by the first distortion in order to progress, the Orion entity is vulnerable to such bidding if properly done. In this case, the third-density entity becomes master and the Orion Crusader becomes entrapped and can be bid. This is rare. However, when it has occurred, the Orion entity or social memory complex involved has experienced loss of negative polarity in proportion to the strength of the bidding third-density entity.

(03-13-2019, 06:26 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Maybe you'd do better at channeling entities that have been negative but reverted. They have got the background experience, but are in a state that appreciates free exchange and that lacks purpose in tricking you.

(03-13-2019, 04:23 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Be careful what you open yourself up to, in playing with concepts.  Once you open certain doors, you would WISH WITH ALL YOUR BEINGNESS, you could go back in time, and not have done so.

I've seen people derail years of their life, because they thought they could be clever, and 'hack' the system.  Mental illness, depression, chronic fatigue.

Quote:The Daily Q'uote for March 13, 2019

"…When you fail to remember all these things and feel that you have �crashed and burned� in service-to-self-ness, let the dust settle. Take yourself up. And know that it shall be a new day as soon as you forgive yourself for being human. There is never an ending and never a failure to one who is on the path of positive polarity, because every morning is a new life. You may hit the reset button as often as you need to do so."

(03-14-2019, 03:57 AM)einmal Wrote: You are absolutely correct. I'm actually on the upswing of that which you mentioned. I prematurely performed astral travel with almost no spiritual protection -- I'm still working on the problems caused by some of those encounters, which, as you mentioned, last several years and are truly horrific in nature.

(03-14-2019, 03:57 AM)einmal Wrote: I can attest to that first hand. I did then start to receive the messages of doom, and I was largely rendered ineffective. Following this, further mental health distortions and negative, unwanted thought-forms manifested themselves. Whether or not I became STS at one point is impossible for me to really know, because I do know what true STS is, and as you say -- I only wish to run as far away from that destructiveness with which I am so personally well-acquainted. But I am also open to the idea that despite my conscious renouncement and aversion to the STS path, that I could have inadvertently been duped into actually walking it and not realizing this. These thoughts are just now dawning on me. Perhaps this is the bidding of which you speak?

(03-14-2019, 03:57 AM)einmal Wrote: To know your self is to have the foundation upon firm ground. The only problem is -- I know my self. And while I wish to graduate STO and make it to 4th density positive[that is unless I am a karmically-involved (or just a regular) wanderer], as an entity I have a well-established track record of negativity, in many lifetimes.

(03-14-2019, 03:57 AM)einmal Wrote: I recently believe to have begun rapidly polarizing once again at this point in my journey, almost certain that I am receiving both Orion and Confederation assistance. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I am dangerously unequipped to deal with this from a spiritual protection standpoint, as The Ra Material is so dense, navigation (even with the search engine) coupled with Ra's vernacular make it hard to find specific information easily. I have consciously renounced the Orion group and their help, but I truly doubt this to be enough at this point. This is several years of Orion influence that I think will require some real effort on my part to fully rid myself of. Other than that, I am aware that I can gratefully acknowledge their influence, whilst rejecting it as not being helpful to me at this point in my journey.

(03-14-2019, 03:57 AM)einmal Wrote: Please continue to share if you have any more thoughts in this area.

(03-14-2019, 03:57 AM)einmal Wrote: I have previously fasted to try and get rid of unwanted thought-forms, with no apparent effect occurring. Plus, I fast by default now (meaning I eat very little at this point in time, easily going 2 or 3 days without having felt the desire to eat). So I'm not sure if this lessens the efficacy of the fasting ritual. But I know the fasting alone is not enough.

(03-14-2019, 03:57 AM)einmal Wrote: It appears that I've personally derailed my own thread. I do apologize; it's now clear that great focus and healing and meditation are in store for me.

(03-17-2019, 08:16 AM)TheSeekersLighthouse Wrote: I will give my input here. I mentioned in a previous posting about an orion entity who had switched polarities who came into a session of mine after passing the challenge. I was curious and jumped on the opportunity. They mentioned the pecking order, and the extreme loneliness (which is what caused this particular entity to switch, was in 4D negative). They described that they pretty much have the same dedication/empowerment as the positive path does. It is not all about 'torture and killing' but using an entity as an extension of yourself for your own self. You are essentially, God, while they are an extension of you for your use, like you would use your arm. Killing/torture/sexual slavery will only be used if it is to further the STS agenda. Better to control an entity, than to kill it unless the first is not possible.

We had a negative (4D) entity try and enter upon a session of mine and my friend's. It didn't get past the protection, but seemed to want to observe. We typically mirrorball entities that didn't leave away, but in this case as it wasn't attacking it sat throughout the session and was seemingly curious as to why positive entities would 'work together' on something. This entity was contemplating the other polarity (for more understanding? To switch? it wasn't clear, as we did not attempt to open channel with it but had one of our positive guides relay and simply sent said entity love). If you ever do attempt to talk to one that happens on happenstance, do NOT attempt to channel it or let it into your circle. Seriously, don't. We had what i would class as a very rare opportunity and had a guide work as a relay for information.


If you want to know what happened to someone I knew who thought they could handle working with negative entities directly including willingly channelling them as he felt he could handle it (as opposed to being  injected with doom messages), check my entry here: https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=16536 - Don't do it. They were very lucky my friend and myself knew how to bring him back. I won't forget it in a hurry. I should have kept the recording as a warning to those who would consider trying, but it was probably one of the worst things I have listened to. I played it to him once, for the lesson to stick. Though what he experienced when forcibly taken (including Ra's description of experiencing only darkness) was actually true. Only in this case the entity did not manage to disable the physical vehicle so we made use of the astral cord to bring him back.

Seriously, curious questions we may have, but use care guys. your best bet is what another poster mentioned, one who had flipped polarity if you want to ask questions. A negative entity would only 'help you' if it also benefited them too. You could probably call for such an entity specifically, as opposed to just opening your door for all and sundry for them.

(03-13-2019, 06:26 PM)Minyatur Wrote: In my experience it is better to work compassion as they come to interact with you, because they create the context which gives you the "responsability" to find compassion for them. This allows you to work positively with their distortions, whereas if you are openly attempting to channel them you are enabling them to work negatively with your own distortions in an attempt to trick with information. If they come to you, you can work with the resonance that made them drawn to you, like reversing the nature of the exchange they initiated with your focus and it is not focused on mental thoughts and instead feelings.

In my experience, they remove themselves when you find to open the heart during the interaction, makes it a bit like suddenly they are no more veiled in shadows and appear naked before you. So it is like a short lived communion, but one which I think has a definitive impact in the long run in assisting them in their hard-lived healing.

I think in 6D there is still polarity, but it is much less your identity as you seek unity. In any densities, a negative entity is pretty much what a positive one is but in a deeply blocked state. The negative path being merely a distortion of the positive path, with its own need to release this distortion.
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7.15 ▶ Questioner: What is the density of the Orion group?

Ra: I am Ra. Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization. Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours. The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.

It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.]



Maybe you'd do better at channeling entities that have been negative but reverted. They have got the background experience, but are in a state that appreciates free exchange and that lacks purpose in tricking you.

(03-14-2019, 03:57 AM)einmal Wrote:

(03-13-2019, 06:26 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Maybe you'd do better at channeling entities that have been negative but reverted. They have got the background experience, but are in a state that appreciates free exchange and that lacks purpose in tricking you.

Yeah, that's an interesting thought. Due to the dangers, I personally am not really interested in doing any channeling work myself at this time, but I would be interested in reading any chronicled examples of channelings with such reverted entities.

(03-13-2019, 04:23 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Be careful what you open yourself up to, in playing with concepts.  Once you open certain doors, you would WISH WITH ALL YOUR BEINGNESS, you could go back in time, and not have done so.

I've seen people derail years of their life, because they thought they could be clever, and 'hack' the system.  Mental illness, depression, chronic fatigue.

You are absolutely correct. I'm actually on the upswing of that which you mentioned. I prematurely performed astral travel with almost no spiritual protection -- I'm still working on the problems caused by some of those encounters, which, as you mentioned, last several years and are truly horrific in nature. I can attest to that first hand. I did then start to receive the messages of doom, and I was largely rendered ineffective. Following this, further mental health distortions and negative, unwanted thought-forms manifested themselves. Whether or not I became STS at one point is impossible for me to really know, because I do know what true STS is, and as you say -- I only wish to run as far away from that destructiveness with which I am so personally well-acquainted. But I am also open to the idea that despite my conscious renouncement and aversion to the STS path, that I could have inadvertently been duped into actually walking it and not realizing this. These thoughts are just now dawning on me. Perhaps this is the bidding of which you speak?

To know your self is to have the foundation upon firm ground. The only problem is -- I know my self. And while I wish to graduate STO and make it to 4th density positive[that is unless I am a karmically-involved (or just a regular) wanderer], as an entity I have a well-established track record of negativity, in many lifetimes.

I recently believe to have begun rapidly polarizing once again at this point in my journey, almost certain that I am receiving both Orion and Confederation assistance. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I am dangerously unequipped to deal with this from a spiritual protection standpoint, as The Ra Material is so dense, navigation (even with the search engine) coupled with Ra's vernacular make it hard to find specific information easily. I have consciously renounced the Orion group and their help, but I truly doubt this to be enough at this point. This is several years of Orion influence that I think will require some real effort on my part to fully rid myself of. Other than that, I am aware that I can gratefully acknowledge their influence, whilst rejecting it as not being helpful to me at this point in my journey.

Please continue to share if you have any more thoughts in this area.

I have previously fasted to try and get rid of unwanted thought-forms, with no apparent effect occurring. Plus, I fast by default now (meaning I eat very little at this point in time, easily going 2 or 3 days without having felt the desire to eat). So I'm not sure if this lessens the efficacy of the fasting ritual. But I know the fasting alone is not enough.

It appears that I've personally derailed my own thread. I do apologize; it's now clear that great focus and healing and meditation are in store for me.