Quote:70.15 ▶ Questioner: I think to try and clear up this point I’m going to ask a few questions that are related that will possibly enable me to understand this better because I am really confused about this and I think it is a very important point in understanding the creation and the Creator in general, you might say. If a Wanderer of fourth, fifth, or sixth density dies from this third-density state in which we presently find ourselves, does he then find himself in third-density time/space after death?

Ra: I am Ra. This will depend upon the plan which has been approved by the Council of Nine. Some Wanderers offer themselves for but one incarnation while others offer themselves for varying lengths of your time up to and including the last two cycles of 25,000 years. If the agreed-upon mission is complete the Wanderer’s mind/body/spirit complex will go to the home vibration.

Quote:43.28 ▶ Questioner: I guess I didn’t state that correctly. Is it true that the fourth-density, new fourth-density beings then need to evolve in their thinking to reach a point where fifth-density lessons would be of value?

Ra: I am Ra. We grasp the thrust of your query. Although it is true that as fourth-density beings progress they have more and more need for other density teachings, it is also true that just as we speak to you due to the calling, so the information called is always available. It is simply that fifth-density beings will not live upon the surface of the planetary sphere until the planet reaches fifth-density vibratory level.

(12-09-2018, 09:28 AM)flow Wrote: thanks!

but i am still confused as to how it works. it is said that upon physical death we enter the light where our polazrization is measured by the intensity we are able to withstand. does that mean that wanderes retain their home density capabilities ie they can withstand light intensity of let's say 6th density so they can take next life in 6 density? or this process is different for wanderers and upon death things go different for a wanderer?

also, why this didn't happen with those 2 entities who swap polarities in 3rd density venus? they became negatively oriented entities, achieved harvestability and moved to 4th density negative, only then did they find they were 5th density positive wanderers. was it because of their negative karma?

(12-09-2018, 10:08 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: The way I understand it is that wanderers have to meet the same requirements as 3D natives; we are 3D natives right now. Due to our “old souls” we may have deep soul biases that make it easier for us to be wise or to love wholeheartedly. In the case of the two fifth density wanderers on Venus, they came from the wisdom density. They were using wisdom without compassion. Due to the compassionate and trusting nature of the Venusians, they were ripe for the manipulation and control from the wanderers who were developing STS polarity. They were also under a veil.

(12-09-2018, 01:11 PM)Cainite Wrote:

(12-09-2018, 10:08 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: The way I understand it is that wanderers have to meet the same requirements as 3D natives; we are 3D natives right now. Due to our “old souls” we may have deep soul biases that make it easier for us to be wise or to love wholeheartedly. In the case of the two fifth density wanderers on Venus, they came from the wisdom density. They were using wisdom without compassion. Due to the compassionate and trusting nature of the Venusians, they were ripe for the manipulation and control from the wanderers who were developing STS polarity. They were also under a veil.

But.. didn't they feel guilt? they were positive wanderers after all.

This confuses me.

(12-09-2018, 09:28 AM)flow Wrote: also, why this didn't happen with those 2 entities who swap polarities in 3rd density venus? they became negatively oriented entities, achieved harvestability and moved to 4th density negative, only then did they find they were 5th density positive wanderers. was it because of their negative karma?

(12-09-2018, 01:11 PM)Cainite Wrote:

(12-09-2018, 10:08 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: The way I understand it is that wanderers have to meet the same requirements as 3D natives; we are 3D natives right now. Due to our “old souls” we may have deep soul biases that make it easier for us to be wise or to love wholeheartedly. In the case of the two fifth density wanderers on Venus, they came from the wisdom density. They were using wisdom without compassion. Due to the compassionate and trusting nature of the Venusians, they were ripe for the manipulation and control from the wanderers who were developing STS polarity. They were also under a veil.

But.. didn't they feel guilt? they were positive wanderers after all.

This confuses me.

(12-09-2018, 01:11 PM)Cainite Wrote:

(12-09-2018, 10:08 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: The way I understand it is that wanderers have to meet the same requirements as 3D natives; we are 3D natives right now. Due to our “old souls” we may have deep soul biases that make it easier for us to be wise or to love wholeheartedly. In the case of the two fifth density wanderers on Venus, they came from the wisdom density. They were using wisdom without compassion. Due to the compassionate and trusting nature of the Venusians, they were ripe for the manipulation and control from the wanderers who were developing STS polarity. They were also under a veil.

But.. didn't they feel guilt? they were positive wanderers after all.

This confuses me.

(12-09-2018, 11:10 PM)Glow Wrote: Just from a personal experience perspective. My husband carries the energy of wisdom always has since I met him at 16. He would be a great example of someone working on 5D lessons though I assume he is actually trying to learn to balance them again with love 6D hence our partnership.

Wisdom at that level isn't prone to guilt or suffering in empathy. It will consistently make choices based on it's innate polarity if it is listening and not distracted/or confused but baggage of regret or emotional turmoil seems to be quite absent. He suffers no one elses sorrows. If my husband wasn't with me constantly being a reminder of his softer side I think he could actually be quite STS. I wonder if that is why 5D doesn't wander as much vs 4D & 6D where love/unity/compassion are part of the lessons.

We used to joke(friends) he was a perfect psychopath potential serial killer if he wasn't just wired for decency because wisdom was always present, emotion warmth/compassion almost completely missing until I would say the last year at age 42 emotion is starting to return. He literally felt loneliness for the first time this summer, and only last month for the first time experienced empathy at my distress. 5D would be a tricky wander from what I see without depolarizing accidentally.

All that said it is just my experience so do not take it as gospel just if it seems to resonate it may be useful.

(12-09-2018, 05:28 PM)xise Wrote: I believe guilt is a non-polarizing distortion that both paths leave behind. The positive path endeavors to accept and forgive universally, that includes the self, and guilt results from an inability to do so after realizing that one made a mistake. The negative path obviously has no guilt.

The difficulty comes in because our society and often our early experience has seen the power of how even non-polarized distortions can do make stuff happen in the real world (such as Ra says love of tribe as self, or automatic love of one's extended family is my extension - the common society belief that extended family comes first). Just because a distortion can make stuff happen in this world (ie, good things can come from one feeling guilty), does not mean it is a concept that is useful for work in higher states of being.

(12-09-2018, 07:46 PM)Zach Wrote: "89.40 ▶ Questioner: What was the attitude of these two entities after they graduated into fourth-density negative and, the veil being removed, they realized that they had switched polarities?

Ra: I am Ra. They were disconcerted."

(12-10-2018, 03:10 AM)Cainite Wrote:

(12-09-2018, 05:28 PM)xise Wrote: I believe guilt is a non-polarizing distortion that both paths leave behind. The positive path endeavors to accept and forgive universally, that includes the self, and guilt results from an inability to do so after realizing that one made a mistake. The negative path obviously has no guilt.

The difficulty comes in because our society and often our early experience has seen the power of how even non-polarized distortions can do make stuff happen in the real world (such as Ra says love of tribe as self, or automatic love of one's extended family is my extension - the common society belief that extended family comes first). Just because a distortion can make stuff happen in this world (ie, good things can come from one feeling guilty), does not mean it is a concept that is useful for work in higher states of being.

How is this lack of emotion balanced enough itself, to be called a higher state of being?

(12-09-2018, 07:46 PM)Zach Wrote: "89.40 ▶ Questioner: What was the attitude of these two entities after they graduated into fourth-density negative and, the veil being removed, they realized that they had switched polarities?

Ra: I am Ra. They were disconcerted."

I meant: why wouldn't these positive wanderers eventually regret their negative actions at some point after becoming negative during the incarnation.

Quote:42.2 ▶ Questioner: I will just read it very rapidly the question, then.

I am going to make a statement and ask you to comment on its degree of accuracy. I am assuming that the balanced entity would not be swayed either towards positive or negative emotions by any situation which he might confront. By remaining unemotional in any situation, the balanced entity may clearly discern the appropriate and necessary responses in harmony with the Law of One for each situation.

Most entities on our planet find themselves unconsciously caught up into every emotional situation which they come in contact with according to their own unique biases and because of these biases are unable to see clearly teach/learning opportunities and appropriate response in each emotional situation and must therefore, through a process of much trial and error and enduring of resulting pain repeat such situations many many times until they become consciously aware of the need to balance their energy centers and thusly their responses and behaviors. Once a person becomes consciously aware of the need to balance their energy centers and responses the next step is to allow the appropriately positive or negative responses to emotional situations to flow smoothly through their being without retaining any of the emotional coloration after it has been consciously observed and allowed to flow through the being. And I am assuming that this ability to consciously observe the positively or negatively charged energy flowing through the being may be augmented by practice of the balancing exercises you have given us with the result in balance being achieved for the entity which would allow him to remain unemotional and undistorted in regards to the Law of One in any situation much like the objective viewer of the television movie.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an incorrect application of the balancing which we have discussed. The exercise of first experiencing feelings and then consciously discovering their antitheses within the being has as its objective not the smooth flow of feelings both positive and negative while remaining unswayed but rather the objective of becoming unswayed. This is a simpler result and takes much practice, shall we say.

The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.

Quote:42.4 ▶ Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel an emotional response when being attacked by the other-self?


Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.

42.5 ▶ Questioner: In the illusion that we now experience it is difficult to maintain this response especially if the entity’s attack results in physical pain, but I assume that this response should be maintained even through physical loss of life or extreme pain. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and further is of a major or principal importance in understanding, shall we say, the principle of balance. Balance is not indifference but rather the observer not blinded by any feelings of separation but rather fully imbued with love.

Quote:1.7 ▶ Questioner: [The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.]
Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

May we enunciate this law in more detail?

(12-11-2018, 04:02 AM)unity100 Wrote: As for 'retaining 6d abilities' etc - things like remembering past lives, telepathy, this that are modified by the conditions on a given planet, the presence and the strength of the veil if it is a 3d planet, and the entity itself. Even if a 6d entity would be somehow allowed to incarnate to a 3d planet without getting affected by the veil, its 6d properties would be able to manifest only to the order that the conditions on the 3d planet would allow it. Since it is a heavier density than 6d.

Therefore natural place for 6d properties would be 6d. Natural place for 5d properties would be 5d. And so on.

(12-11-2018, 05:28 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:

(12-11-2018, 04:02 AM)unity100 Wrote: As for 'retaining 6d abilities' etc - things like remembering past lives, telepathy, this that are modified by the conditions on a given planet, the presence and the strength of the veil if it is a 3d planet, and the entity itself. Even if a 6d entity would be somehow allowed to incarnate to a 3d planet without getting affected by the veil, its 6d properties would be able to manifest only to the order that the conditions on the 3d planet would allow it. Since it is a heavier density than 6d.

Therefore natural place for 6d properties would be 6d. Natural place for 5d properties would be 5d. And so on.

I don't know. Ra was 6D and was able to telepathically create the Great Pyramid. That doesn't sound like something only 3D would allow.

(12-11-2018, 09:46 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(12-11-2018, 05:28 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:

(12-11-2018, 04:02 AM)unity100 Wrote: As for 'retaining 6d abilities' etc - things like remembering past lives, telepathy, this that are modified by the conditions on a given planet, the presence and the strength of the veil if it is a 3d planet, and the entity itself. Even if a 6d entity would be somehow allowed to incarnate to a 3d planet without getting affected by the veil, its 6d properties would be able to manifest only to the order that the conditions on the 3d planet would allow it. Since it is a heavier density than 6d.

Therefore natural place for 6d properties would be 6d. Natural place for 5d properties would be 5d. And so on.

I don't know. Ra was 6D and was able to telepathically create the Great Pyramid. That doesn't sound like something only 3D would allow.

At that time they were not incarnated then. They were here without going through the incarnation process. Using the power of their entire SMC.

(12-11-2018, 04:02 AM)unity100 Wrote: As for 'retaining 6d abilities' etc - things like remembering past lives, telepathy, this that are modified by the conditions on a given planet, the presence and the strength of the veil if it is a 3d planet, and the entity itself. Even if a 6d entity would be somehow allowed to incarnate to a 3d planet without getting affected by the veil, its 6d properties would be able to manifest only to the order that the conditions on the 3d planet would allow it. Since it is a heavier density than 6d.

Therefore natural place for 6d properties would be 6d. Natural place for 5d properties would be 5d. And so on.

Quote:The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

The new fourth-density entities which are becoming able to demonstrate various newer abilities are doing so as a result of the present experience, not as a result of memory. There are always a few exceptions, and we ask your forgiveness for constant barrages of over-generalization.

(12-11-2018, 05:53 PM)loostudent Wrote:

(12-11-2018, 04:02 AM)unity100 Wrote: As for 'retaining 6d abilities' etc - things like remembering past lives, telepathy, this that are modified by the conditions on a given planet, the presence and the strength of the veil if it is a 3d planet, and the entity itself. Even if a 6d entity would be somehow allowed to incarnate to a 3d planet without getting affected by the veil, its 6d properties would be able to manifest only to the order that the conditions on the 3d planet would allow it. Since it is a heavier density than 6d.

Therefore natural place for 6d properties would be 6d. Natural place for 5d properties would be 5d. And so on.

Quote:The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

The new fourth-density entities which are becoming able to demonstrate various newer abilities are doing so as a result of the present experience, not as a result of memory. There are always a few exceptions, and we ask your forgiveness for constant barrages of over-generalization.

(12-09-2018, 07:07 AM)flow Wrote: namaste guys, i am sure this must have been answered already but i can't find the answer anywhere.

the question is: what happens to a wanderer upon harvest? say a life of a wanderer ends and it was able to reach necessary service-to-others polarization, then what? it goes back to its home density and continues its path there seeing its earth assingment as one of many steps towards being closer to One Infinite Creator... OR ..it goes to 4th density positive?

Quote:80.17 ▶ Questioner: How would you describe the Significator of the Spirit?

Ra: I am Ra. In answer to the previous query we set about doing just this. The Significator of the Spirit is that living entity which either radiates or absorbs the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator, radiates it to others or absorbs it for the self.

Quote:92.18 ▶ Questioner: Turning, then, to my analogy or shall we say, example of the newborn infant with the undistorted Matrix, this newborn infant has its subconscious veiled from the Matrix. The second archetype, the Potentiator of Mind, is going to act at some time through— I won’t say through the veil, I don’t think that is a very good way of stating it, but the Potentiator of Mind will act to create a condition, and I will use an example of the infant touching a hot object. The hot object we could take as random catalyst. The infant can either leave its hand on the hot object or rapidly remove it. My question is, is the Potentiator of Mind involved at all in this experience and, if so, how?

Ra: I am Ra. The Potentiator of Mind and of Body are both involved in the questing of the infant for new experience. The mind/body/spirit complex which is an infant has one highly developed portion which may be best studied by viewing the Significators of Mind and Body. You notice we do not include the spirit. That portion of a mind/body/spirit complex is not reliably developed in each and every mind/body/spirit complex. Thusly the infant’s significant self, which is the harvest of biases of all previous incarnational experiences, offers to this infant biases with which to meet new experience.

However, the portion of the infant which may be articulated by the Matrix of the Mind is indeed unfed by experience and has the bias of reaching for this experience through free will just as intelligent energy in the kinetic phase, through free will, creates the Logos. This sub-sub-Logos, then, or that portion of the mind/body/spirit complex which may be articulated by consideration of the Potentiators of Mind and Body, through free will, chooses to make alterations in its experiential continuum. The results of these experiments in novelty are then recorded in the portion of the mind and body articulated by the Matrices thereof.