(05-03-2018, 09:41 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Well, I wouldn't consider myself adept.

But my upper chakras are pretty open, and my lower 2 are pretty closed. I didn't intend that way. It just happened.

But I do a lot of work in the heart. But I do more work on my field as a whole.

(05-03-2018, 09:45 PM)Heart4 Wrote: I have the mastered the higher chakras to a lesser degree. We have that in common. Like you my lower are blocked! Is it chaotic to go at the heart?

(05-03-2018, 09:48 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Well, everyone is different. If you have upper chakras mastered you should have guidance and guides you can ask.

Ask to be shown what is "yes" and what is "no". You may get feelings for each, or see images that represent each.

Then once you have your reference, you can ask your guidance.

But make sure you are grounded. I like to envision a rope with 5 knots hanging from my root chakra into the Earth.
The knots represent lower chakras, below our root.

(05-03-2018, 09:55 PM)Heart4 Wrote:

(05-03-2018, 09:48 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Well, everyone is different. If you have upper chakras mastered you should have guidance and guides you can ask.

Ask to be shown what is "yes" and what is "no". You may get feelings for each, or see images that represent each.

Then once you have your reference, you can ask your guidance.

But make sure you are grounded. I like to envision a rope with 5 knots hanging from my root chakra into the Earth.
The knots represent lower chakras, below our root.

Without stepping into the higher centres, and with an imbalanced root, jist generally speaking, do you think it's liberating to work on the heart?

(05-03-2018, 09:54 PM)Louisabell Wrote:

(05-03-2018, 09:45 PM)Heart4 Wrote: I have the mastered the higher chakras to a lesser degree. We have that in common. Like you my lower are blocked! Is it chaotic to go at the heart?

May I ask in what way, or why do you think your lower chakras are blocked? Also may I ask why you intend on activating the heart before addressing the lower blockages?

I ask this because I think it could go either way. Activating the heart further may help with your healing, or it may further imbalance you to the point that you lose your grasp on reality.

(05-03-2018, 09:56 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:

(05-03-2018, 09:55 PM)Heart4 Wrote:

(05-03-2018, 09:48 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Well, everyone is different. If you have upper chakras mastered you should have guidance and guides you can ask.

Ask to be shown what is "yes" and what is "no". You may get feelings for each, or see images that represent each.

Then once you have your reference, you can ask your guidance.

But make sure you are grounded. I like to envision a rope with 5 knots hanging from my root chakra into the Earth.
The knots represent lower chakras, below our root.

Without stepping into the higher centres, and with an imbalanced root, jist generally speaking, do you think it's liberating to work on the heart?

I've learned not to chase a feeling. Lower centers are important I believe. Work on them all together. Not just the heart.
But ask your own guidance too. It will know better than I do.

(05-03-2018, 09:36 PM)Heart4 Wrote: There is a premature danger of doing work in the higher centers. But is there a premature danger of doing work in the heart? My question is specifically addressing adepts.

(05-03-2018, 10:04 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(05-03-2018, 09:36 PM)Heart4 Wrote: There is a premature danger of doing work in the higher centers. But is there a premature danger of doing work in the heart? My question is specifically addressing adepts.

Danger of trying to activate and work in a higher chakra without activating earlier chakras is valid for every single chakra.

A person who tries to work in yellow chakra without activating orange will have issues and get blockages. A good example is a person who tries to do social activities, social speaking without having established his own emotional stability, personal characteristics in the orange chakra before.

Similarly, someone trying to activate green ray without activating and stabilizing yellow ray will run into issues. A person who is having trouble accepting other people, their ideas, emotions, choices, stances against himself/herself is a good example - it is someone who is attempting to go into green without activating the social yellow chakra and all that it brings.

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Blockage of any chakra that receives energy (activated or activating) will cause heat. Intentional holding of energy in any already activated chakra will cause heat. This is valid for all chakras.

(05-03-2018, 09:58 PM)Heart4 Wrote:

(05-03-2018, 09:54 PM)Louisabell Wrote:

(05-03-2018, 09:45 PM)Heart4 Wrote: I have the mastered the higher chakras to a lesser degree. We have that in common. Like you my lower are blocked! Is it chaotic to go at the heart?

May I ask in what way, or why do you think your lower chakras are blocked? Also may I ask why you intend on activating the heart before addressing the lower blockages?

I ask this because I think it could go either way. Activating the heart further may help with your healing, or it may further imbalance you to the point that you lose your grasp on reality.

I hope that activating the heart will smooth the lower blockages.

Quote:74.6 Questioner: Would you please correct me?

Ra: I am Ra. The indigo center is indeed most important for the work of the adept. However, it cannot, no matter how crystallized, correct to any extent whatsoever imbalances or blockages in other energy centers. They must needs be cleared seriatim from red upwards.

Quote:82.3 Questioner: Jim has a personal question which is not to be published. He asks, “It seems that my balancing work has shifted from more peripheral concerns such as patience/impatience, to learning to open myself in unconditional love, to accepting my self as whole and perfect, and then to accepting my self as the Creator. If this is a normal progression of focus for balancing, wouldn’t it be more efficient once this is discovered for a person to work on the acceptance of self as Creator rather than work peripherally on the secondary and tertiary results of not accepting the self?”

Ra: I am Ra. The term efficiency has misleading connotations. In the context of doing work in the disciplines of the personality, in order to be of more full efficiency in the central acceptance of the self, it is first quite necessary to know the distortions of the self which the entity is accepting. Each thought and action needs must then be scrutinized for the precise foundation of the distortions of any reactions. This process shall lead to the more central task of acceptance. However, the architrave must be in place before the structure is builded.

(05-03-2018, 09:36 PM)Heart4 Wrote: There is a premature danger of doing work in the higher centers. But is there a premature danger of doing work in the heart? My question is specifically addressing adepts.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2001/2001_0916.aspx Wrote:Our recommendation is to love. When each situation, whether large or small, whether global or familial, or simply pointed towards the self, arises, ask yourself, “How can I love? Who can I love? Where can I love?” To love is enough, for to love is the reason for which each took incarnation.

Quote:72.17 Questioner: Why is there no protection at the floor or bottom of the banishing ritual, and should there be?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

The development of the psychic greeting is possible only through the energy centers starting from a station which you might call within the violet ray moving through the adept’s energy center and therefrom towards the target of opportunity. Depending upon the vibratory nature and purpose of greeting, be it positive or negative, the entity will be energized or blocked in the desired way.

We of Ra approach this instrument in narrow-band contact through violet ray. Others might pierce down through this ray to any energy center. We, for instance, make great use of this instrument’s blue-ray energy center as we are attempting to communicate our distortion/understandings of the Law of One.

The entity of Orion pierces the same violet ray and moves to two places to attempt most of its non-physical opportunities. It activates the green-ray energy center while further blocking indigo-ray energy center. This combination causes confusion in the instrument and subsequent over-activity in unwise proportions in physical complex workings. It simply seeks out the distortions pre-incarnatively programmed and developed in incarnative state.

The energies of life itself, being the One Infinite Creator, flow from the south pole of the body seen in its magnetic form. Thus only the Creator may, through the feet, enter the energy shell of the body to any effect. The effects of the adept are those from the upper direction and thus the building of the wall of light is quite propitious.

May we ask if there are any shorter queries at this time?

(05-03-2018, 09:55 PM)Heart4 Wrote:

(05-03-2018, 09:48 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Well, everyone is different. If you have upper chakras mastered you should have guidance and guides you can ask.

Ask to be shown what is "yes" and what is "no". You may get feelings for each, or see images that represent each.

Then once you have your reference, you can ask your guidance.

But make sure you are grounded. I like to envision a rope with 5 knots hanging from my root chakra into the Earth.
The knots represent lower chakras, below our root.

Without stepping into the higher centres, and with an imbalanced root, just generally speaking, do you think it's liberating to work on the heart?

(05-03-2018, 09:36 PM)Heart4 Wrote: There is a premature danger of doing work in the higher centers. But is there a premature danger of doing work in the heart? My question is specifically addressing adepts.

(05-03-2018, 09:36 PM)Heart4 Wrote: There is a premature danger of doing work in the higher centers. But is there a premature danger of doing work in the heart? My question is specifically addressing adepts.

(05-04-2018, 03:21 AM)Cainite Wrote: So if we have lower chakra problems we should lie to avoid working in blue ray? a bit confusing.

(05-04-2018, 09:25 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:

(05-03-2018, 09:36 PM)Heart4 Wrote: There is a premature danger of doing work in the higher centers. But is there a premature danger of doing work in the heart? My question is specifically addressing adepts.

well, some people might be super empathetic, and not have appropriate boundaries.

It leaves them open to being a dumping ground for other people's negativity.

(05-04-2018, 12:17 AM)xise Wrote: I think working with indigo and blue with highly distorted red, orange, and yellow is more dangerous, in terms of disarrangement. Working with green ray with a highly distorted red, orange, and yellow, is probably has a lesser chance of disarrangement, but is probably inadvisable for other reasons as will be discussed below - though as Stranger recounts, certainly doable. I would also say that if you have orange ray issues, you may also overestimating the amount of lower ray blockage as it is common for orange ray blockages to manifest as over-criticism and over-exaggeration of any perceived personal flaws, including the perception as to the amount of lower ray blockage. Or your perception may be accurate.

However, assuming your lower three rays are highly distorted, it may be inadvisable to work directly with the green ray, especially at an adept level for the following reason: Recall that Ra specifically notes that negative entities often try to overactive the green ray into making the positive entity do something foolish. Given that you are essentially talking about working from a green ray that is already based on a distorted base, my guess is that you would be much more susceptible to overacting the green ray to your detriment in general, but also to negative entities attempting to cause harm to you by overacting your green ray.

Quote:72.17 Questioner: Why is there no protection at the floor or bottom of the banishing ritual, and should there be?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

The development of the psychic greeting is possible only through the energy centers starting from a station which you might call within the violet ray moving through the adept’s energy center and therefrom towards the target of opportunity. Depending upon the vibratory nature and purpose of greeting, be it positive or negative, the entity will be energized or blocked in the desired way.

We of Ra approach this instrument in narrow-band contact through violet ray. Others might pierce down through this ray to any energy center. We, for instance, make great use of this instrument’s blue-ray energy center as we are attempting to communicate our distortion/understandings of the Law of One.

The entity of Orion pierces the same violet ray and moves to two places to attempt most of its non-physical opportunities. It activates the green-ray energy center while further blocking indigo-ray energy center. This combination causes confusion in the instrument and subsequent over-activity in unwise proportions in physical complex workings. It simply seeks out the distortions pre-incarnatively programmed and developed in incarnative state.

The energies of life itself, being the One Infinite Creator, flow from the south pole of the body seen in its magnetic form. Thus only the Creator may, through the feet, enter the energy shell of the body to any effect. The effects of the adept are those from the upper direction and thus the building of the wall of light is quite propitious.

May we ask if there are any shorter queries at this time?

Thus, especially since positive adepts tend to attract negative entities in general, working with green at an adept level without a solid foundation would seem to make you much more susceptible to negative greetings that would further energize these lower ray blockages with the negative entity hoping you would become confused and that your lower distortions become overactive. I am not writing this to scare you - as I truly believe as Ra says that all is well whatever path you choose, but I am trying to answer your question to be best of my ability. I would mirror what others have said. Build a solid foundation first. Dabble in green of course, to feel and understand some of that unconditional love. But to dive right in with adept level green work, I would consider what has been said.

You will, however, find that since you have already made a positive choice, as you begin to work with your lower centers directly and heal the distortions within them, massive amounts of energy will naturally flow into your heart and open your green ray without much effort initially. Of course, there is always further refinement upon each center that can be done, but I think you will not be disappointed how focusing on truly loving life, or loving yourself, or loving your ability to manifest and create and be a part of society, will increase your happiness and naturally cause you to love the world and others as a positive entity, as that is the path you have already chosen in previous lifetimes.

(05-04-2018, 11:55 PM)Stranger Wrote: I think this single Ra quote, which repeatedly gets used on these forums as an example of the dangers of having a too-open heart, is being taken completely out of context.

(05-04-2018, 11:55 PM)Stranger Wrote: A terrifying cautionary tale?  No, this is actually a nice illustration of how healthy and protective staying in a loving state is. 

(05-04-2018, 10:55 PM)Stranger Wrote: (To be fair, I don't think that was what you were saying, Plenum, but it seemed that an important distinction was not present).

(05-03-2018, 09:36 PM)Heart4 Wrote: There is a premature danger of doing work in the higher centers. But is there a premature danger of doing work in the heart? My question is specifically addressing adepts.

(05-05-2018, 02:23 AM)Louisabell Wrote:

(05-04-2018, 11:55 PM)Stranger Wrote: A terrifying cautionary tale?  No, this is actually a nice illustration of how healthy and protective staying in a loving state is. 

Interesting perspective on Carla's case. I see the issue with over-activating the green ray, beyond what the lower chakras are naturally capable of, is the potential for a big crash afterwards (much like taking a drug such as MDMA). I see this as possibly leading to periods of depression when one's energetic resources are spent.

(05-05-2018, 02:23 AM)Louisabell Wrote: Moreover, if one has not learnt to identify subtle (and not so subtle) manipulations from others, or aren't practiced enough in setting boundaries, then that person would more easily be taken advantage of as they attempt to express unconditional love without an appropriate level of self-love to balance their choices.

(05-05-2018, 02:23 AM)Louisabell Wrote: I agree that one should err on the side of acting respectful towards others to the best of their ability. However in my personal experience, forcing a loving state internally has only been detrimental to my long-term ability to express unconditional love. I have found it much more efficacious to sit with whatever emotion arises in the moment in non-judgment in order to better understand myself (yet I suppose this is an extension of unconditionally loving the self).