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RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Great Central Sun - 02-12-2019

(02-12-2019, 12:28 PM)unity100 Wrote:  
(02-11-2019, 07:36 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  I think being cruelly honest with someone is a misuse of blue ray. We can be too honest.

No, it isnt. That's the nature of blue. Its sharp. So much that in the material it is mentioned that there comes a point in which the entity is expected to radiate itself regardless of reactions from others.

Blue has to be blue when it is time to manifest blue. It needs to be honest at all times. And never lie out of compassion or 'politeness'.

Only with 6th, when green is re-introduced to the blue, the sharpness of the blue is softened, without changing its nature. Love doesnt bring lies or dishonesty or make them acceptable. The positive entity remains honest.

Except through 6th, the entity learns how to introduce or practice the truth smoothly, without invading or imposing.

Especially in angloamerican societies, there is a cultural trait that presents a measure of dishonesty, or 'white lies' or even 'slight modifications' to truth as 'politeness', 'being compassionate', or even 'being caring'. Its even apparent in the manner of speaking in which these matters are discussed - check out what you are saying "We can be too honest". Which means that one should not be 'too honest', which implies that there is a limit to honesty after which lies can be told. Whereas in reality honesty is honesty - its either there, or it isnt.

That's a bad practice. A lie is a lie. It doesnt matter whether the lie is a 'white lie' told to a 5 year old, or a very roundabout, almost contradicting 're-wording' of truth to an ignorant person who insists that the earth is flat. A lie is a lie regardless of the intention. And it will have its metaphysical effects.

One may choose not to tell the truth and therefore choose not to say anything, defer telling the truth to a future point in time, state that doesnt want to talk about it, even allow existing misconceptions on the other person's part to continue without speaking the truth to that person, speak the truth in an understandable and easy to digest, but not over-imposing way, or may choose any of the many potential courses of action.

But truth must be told to the degree it is known, if it is going to be told. The most disturbing, irritating, half-arsed truth is better than the most comforting lie in the long run.

My mom's dog wandered off about a year ago. It disappeared and is presumed dead. He was old.
A police officer noticed him and posted about him on a site.
My mom was pissed off that the officer didn't tie her dog up and call her.
She threatened that she would shoot the officer in the head if she had a gun.

When I was leaving for an appointment, I noticed her dog down the street the day he wandered off, but didn't think much about it.

If I told her I saw him, she would throw a fit. It wouldn't help bring the dog back, and would produce stress on her.
I think this is blue ray mixed with green ray.

I am not telling her because she threatened to shoot an officer because he didn't tie her dog up.
What would she do with me, living with me? She insults me a lot already.

What would be the benefit of telling her I saw her dog?


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Louisabell - 02-14-2019

(02-12-2019, 01:04 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  What would be the benefit of telling her I saw her dog?

I'm so sorry you didn't find your mother's doggy, I remember when you first posted in the forum that he was lost, and I really hoped he'd be found soon.  Sad   It's horrible losing a pet. When it comes to telling your mother, I suppose you have to decide if she'd want to even know. It's not like this information would help her find her dog now. I think if I was her I probably wouldn't want to know as it would remind me of the whole painful ordeal.

But I don't think it's wise to avoid saying something just because you don't want to deal with the negative consequences (like the other person getting mad), it's not a good habit to get into as it's avoiding potentially good service.

Also, I'm really enjoying reading all the past posts from you all, this is such a good thread.  Smile  I've missed the forums, I go away every now and then when I need to process some heavy things, or I just need to ground myself in regular human day to day life. I feel like I always come back as a slightly different person.

(02-11-2019, 06:50 PM)unity100 Wrote:  You are mistaken. In repeated points in Ra material it is explained how negative polarity is one which uses 3 bottom main rays to polarize all the way up to early 6th. Yellow, orange, red. Green and blue is exempted from their spectrum.

While I agree that the LOO states that this configuration (red, orange and yellow building up enough power to pierce indigo) is consistent with 3d harvest into 4d negative, I can't square off how a negative 5d entity with an activated fifth ray body would not have activated the 5th chakra. Therefore my interpretation is that once a negative entity graduates from 4th, learning all they can on the love of self, they then activate the corresponding wisdom that comes from that particular focus of love. As we are all the whole in microcosm, this gives the 5d negative wizard more than enough wisdom on the nature of self, which he chooses to use for effective manipulation of others.

However, I acknowledge it is up for interpretation, and the underlying definitions we all have for what wisdom actually is probably determines where we stand on the issue. Also what we imagine the negative path actually entails. I still can't decide if it's all pain and suffering or if it operates more like a cold but comfortable hierarchical society.

And I do agree that pure positive wisdom is free from all deception, even in the case of white lies.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Louisabell - 02-14-2019

(double post)


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - unity100 - 02-14-2019

(02-12-2019, 01:04 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  What would be the benefit of telling her I saw her dog?

Withholding information is not necessarily a negative act or a blockage or a negativity of blue ray. Or a lie.

Even withholding information when particularly asked for it isnt. Though this one would hamper the flow of the blue energy to whatever degree involved.

A smart application of blue and green in this case could be directing efforts to the finding of the dog.
(02-14-2019, 01:19 PM)Louisabell Wrote:  
(02-12-2019, 01:04 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  What would be the benefit of telling her I saw her dog?

I'm so sorry you didn't find your mother's doggy, I remember when you first posted in the forum that he was lost, and I really hoped he'd be found soon.  Sad   It's horrible losing a pet. When it comes to telling your mother, I suppose you have to decide if she'd want to even know. It's not like this information would help her find her dog now. I think if I was her I probably wouldn't want to know as it would remind me of the whole painful ordeal.

But I don't think it's wise to avoid saying something just because you don't want to deal with the negative consequences (like the other person getting mad), it's not a good habit to get into as it's avoiding potentially good service.

Also, I'm really enjoying reading all the past posts from you all, this is such a good thread.  Smile  I've missed the forums, I go away every now and then when I need to process some heavy things, or I just need to ground myself in regular human day to day life. I feel like I always come back as a slightly different person.

(02-11-2019, 06:50 PM)unity100 Wrote:  You are mistaken. In repeated points in Ra material it is explained how negative polarity is one which uses 3 bottom main rays to polarize all the way up to early 6th. Yellow, orange, red. Green and blue is exempted from their spectrum.

While I agree that the LOO states that this configuration (red, orange and yellow building up enough power to pierce indigo) is consistent with 3d harvest into 4d negative, I can't square off how a negative 5d entity with an activated fifth ray body would not have activated the 5th chakra.

That's because you are conflating activation of a chakra with being positive. Or with the out-flowing of such chakras.

In this particular case of green and blue chakras, the entity jumps these chakras and the energy flows into these chakras instead of flowing out.

So, a total blockage of blue and a total blockage of green makes a late 5d entity. Why late? Because when blue is totally blocked in addition to green in a stable manner, then it means the entity has completed 5th in addition to 4th and is now moving into 6th.

However that tidbit aside, if we return to the original theme - the negative 5d entity would have blocked these two chakras, so those two colors wouldnt be in its spectrum. That doesnt mean it wouldnt be able to use in-flowing green and blue energies it receives. It does, but it uses the first to love itself, and the second to, well, practically lie.

So basically it sucks in those energies and you cant see those energies in its aura.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - flofrog - 02-14-2019

(02-11-2019, 07:36 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  I think being cruelly honest with someone is a misuse of blue ray. We can be too honest.
That's why they say TMI.

I agree Wolf. I think ultimately it is the way we wish to treat someone, and its results. It depends on what consequences brutal honestly might have. In some cases it might bring a tool for change to someone, but I think in many cases that person might probably know already that brutal truth, at least internally, and then it's only resulting in pain for something that this person already knows.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Louisabell - 02-15-2019

(02-14-2019, 04:33 PM)unity100 Wrote:  
(02-14-2019, 01:19 PM)Louisabell Wrote:  
(02-11-2019, 06:50 PM)unity100 Wrote:  You are mistaken. In repeated points in Ra material it is explained how negative polarity is one which uses 3 bottom main rays to polarize all the way up to early 6th. Yellow, orange, red. Green and blue is exempted from their spectrum.

While I agree that the LOO states that this configuration (red, orange and yellow building up enough power to pierce indigo) is consistent with 3d harvest into 4d negative, I can't square off how a negative 5d entity with an activated fifth ray body would not have activated the 5th chakra.

That's because you are conflating activation of a chakra with being positive. Or with the out-flowing of such chakras.

In this particular case of green and blue chakras, the entity jumps these chakras and the energy flows into these chakras instead of flowing out.

So, a total blockage of blue and a total blockage of green makes a late 5d entity. Why late? Because when blue is totally blocked in addition to green in a stable manner, then it means the entity has completed 5th in addition to 4th and is now moving into 6th.

However that tidbit aside, if we return to the original theme - the negative 5d entity would have blocked these two chakras, so those two colors wouldnt be in its spectrum. That doesnt mean it wouldnt be able to use in-flowing green and blue energies it receives. It does, but it uses the first to love itself, and the second to, well, practically lie.

So basically it sucks in those energies and you cant see those energies in its aura.

I see how that this can be possible, as the use here of the term 'blockage' when applied to later densities is not necessarily a constriction of information flow, but more a blockage of the radiation of light, much like an eclipse or a black hole with a density so strong that light can't escape it. This reminds me of a Ra quote ...

25.11 Wrote:Ra: ... The so-called negative service-to-self entity in this [fifth] density is at an high level of awareness and wisdom and has ceased activity except by thought. The fifth-density negative is extraordinarily compacted and separated from all else.

I wonder if there is a connection here to the black hole analogy which can help explain Ra's choice of the terms 'extraordinarily compacted'.

It has always been my assertion that intelligent energy carries a massive amount of information in it, with our level of awareness being the barometer of how much of it we can access consciously. So in my mind there had to be a way for a negative fifth density entity to access that information if it was going to be anywhere near effective magically against a positive entity of similar power.

Although I don't think this is neccessary in 3d. I remember talking to a friend from my past who was persuing a man who already had a partner. She was so perplexed as to why her advances weren't working as she was convinced that she was better than the man's partner in every way (i.e. IQ, looks, sense of humor). It was very surreal having to teach a grown woman the basics of love 101, that maybe people are worth more than how they look on paper.

Maybe she learnt something about true love that day, or maybe she used our orange/yellow ray relationship to mine me for information so that she could improve her calculations in cold-reading people, making her even more effective at manipulating situations to her advantage in the future. I can't know and it's her freewill choice to make.

What I'm trying to say is that people can appear quite normal, even appear successful in this world, while having no comprehension of love, except for how it can cause people to act in strange, if not illogical, ways. How one can utilize orange and yellow rays effectively enough to pierce intelligent infinity though - I have absolutely no idea how that's possible.  Confused

Thanks for the explanation of your interpretation of the material anyways.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Louisabell - 02-18-2019

(02-15-2019, 08:09 PM)Louisabell Wrote:  
25.11 Wrote:Ra: ... The so-called negative service-to-self entity in this [fifth] density is at an high level of awareness and wisdom and has ceased activity except by thought. The fifth-density negative is extraordinarily compacted and separated from all else.

I wonder if there is a connection here to the black hole analogy which can help explain Ra's choice of the terms 'extraordinarily compacted'.

It has always been my assertion that intelligent energy carries a massive amount of information in it, with our level of awareness being the barometer of how much of it we can access consciously. So in my mind there had to be a way for a negative fifth density entity to access that information if it was going to be anywhere near effective magically against a positive entity of similar power.

Actually I have meditated on this further and in my analysis I have found that the information contained in intelligent energy is actually generated when it is distorted/refracted. It is the forms and colours that emerge from intelligent energy when manipulated, whether intentional or not, that is informative to the mind. Without distortion the energy would just flow unimpeded as love and presence, beyond thought or mental impression. So a complete blockage of 4th and 5th rays may be the transformation of all that potential energy into information ... information about all the various subtle (and not so subtle) distortion patterns and how to identify and manipulate them, making the negative adept very clever, but shut-off from the wisdom of the All Mind...

...this is still a working theory though.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - rva_jeremy - 02-19-2019

(01-30-2019, 06:09 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:  I would dare say that there is an aspect of male energies that is very ISOLATING when not counterbalanced by strong female relationships.

It becomes more and more lost in its attempts to make sense of things.

On the other side - women have a more naturally grounding approach - which makes them less prone to the worse effects of Abstraction. However - the down side of this is that when women do become socially isolated and depressed - it actually hits them much worse, because the natural connective instincts are truly thwarted.

This male isolation (very few female friends, not in a committed relationship) is not really wisdom. It's a kind of Abstraction that happens when the seeking isn't grounded in relationships.

This is an incredibly insightful comment on the thread topic. Love, in my opinion, involves a totalizing acceptance of all, not necessarily in terms of approval but in terms of acknowledging the place of everything. Wisdom, to similarly compress it into a definition, has more to do with the sense we make of all that stuff, which means it relies upon our own orientation relative to the that stuff.

What I find silly about the typical male-ish attitude is not it's attempts to make sense of things, but the attachment so many male-ish people have to having their person, unique, idiosyncratic sense validated. Many of the logic bros (like me) think that their value and social relevance comes almost entirely from their artful arrangement of perceptions and inferences into a consistent system of principles that delivers discrete answers to as many questions as possible. So it has much less to do with logic than with argumentation, debate, and the social dimension of things. Most of all, it has to do with the amount of certainty one's system can foster in oneself, how much of the universe's mystery one can keep at bay.

We need to understand that our way of making sense of things in our lives as a lot to do with who we are, what we've experienced, and the sort of position in the social matrix we occupy, the "direction" we are facing in our lives. Were we to stand in a different position facing a new direction, the consistency of the system we use to explain and make sense of the world would be compromised. So many logic bros want the world to come to them, to meet them at their position, rather than explore different places to stand and work with the different ways to make sense of those views.

I truly doubt that wisdom has as much to do with intelligence as many think. A lot of "smart people" have simply developed a system of principles, a kind of heuristic for categorizing things that happen. What differentiates truly wise people, I've found, is their patience, their comfort with the tentative nature of things, and their willingness to move into areas of discomfort to learn what things feel and look like in a different position, facing a different direction. What they accrue is not a system or some algorithm for better processing reality; instead, they build a knowledge of the self that is occupying these different positions and facing these different directions. The more diversity you're exposed to, the most the common variable in all those situations gets exposed: you. What stays the same no matter where you go or where you look is you, and touching that in yourself or another is far, far more powerful than being smart. Touching that allows you to say the smart thing for somebody facing the opposite way you are.

I'm learning a lot about the more feminine approach so I don't have as much to say about that. Smile


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - rva_jeremy - 02-19-2019

(02-14-2019, 07:44 PM)flofrog Wrote:  
(02-11-2019, 07:36 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  I think being cruelly honest with someone is a misuse of blue ray. We can be too honest.
That's why they say TMI.

I agree Wolf.  I think ultimately it is the way we wish to treat someone, and its results.  It depends on what consequences brutal honestly might have.  In some cases it might bring a tool for change to someone, but I think in many cases that person might probably know already  that brutal truth, at least internally,  and then it's only resulting in pain for something that this person  already knows.

Very important to bring this up. What's the buddhist checks on communication?

1. Is it true?
2. Is it necessary?
3. Is it kind?

That last one is the kicker. It seems to me that mentioning the dog fails test #2. But passing test #3 is something I've struggled with all my adult life. 

A big problem with saying true unkind things is that by being unkind their orient towards a given outcome. If it is kind, it is more like the radiation of light and love: active, but unattached to how the recipient uses the energy. The more kind you are, the more you're looking for a way to seat what you seek to say in the person, meeting them where they're at, rather than demanding they come to where you're at.

Also, passing the three tests says nothing about how it will be received. Just because somebody is upset doesn't mean you did anything wrong or should have lied! That attachment to the reaction, not how it makes the person feel but the consequences for ourselves, has a lot to do with the white lies we tell.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - rva_jeremy - 02-19-2019

(02-15-2019, 08:09 PM)Louisabell Wrote:  What I'm trying to say is that people can appear quite normal, even appear successful in this world, while having no comprehension of love, except for how it can cause people to act in strange, if not illogical, ways. How one can utilize orange and yellow rays effectively enough to pierce intelligent infinity though - I have absolutely no idea how that's possible.  Confused

This was especially well said. Heart


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Glow - 02-19-2019

(02-11-2019, 06:50 PM)unity100 Wrote:  
(02-08-2019, 03:20 PM)Glow Wrote:  47.4 Questioner: Did you say that blue was missing from fourth-density negative?

Ra: I am Ra. Let us clarify further. As we have previously stated, all beings have the potential for all possible vibratory rates. Thus the potential of the green and blue energy center activation is, of course, precisely where it must be in a creation of Love. However, the negatively polarized entity will have achieved harvest due to extremely efficient use of red and yellow/orange, moving directly to the gateway indigo bringing through this intelligent energy channel the instreamings of intelligent infinity.


So am I the only one who was mistaken about this? I honestly thought negative skipped green but activated blue, however with my own experience of wisdom being so intrinsically linked to love I now don't even understand how that could have worked.

You are mistaken. In repeated points in Ra material it is explained how negative polarity is one which uses 3 bottom main rays to polarize all the way up to early 6th. Yellow, orange, red. Green and blue is exempted from their spectrum.

Green requires being empathetic to thoughts and feelings of other entities. Blue requires two way communication of those thoughts and energies.

Green is extremely disturbing and irritating for the negative, Blue is intolerable and dangerous. It is the energy of truth, and it cuts through all the lies like a knife, which is a no-no for negative polarity.

...........

People also confuse other things. Love is not as simple as just being emotional or polite, for example.
Sorry I wasn't trying to say I didn't believe it about blue being missing. Obviously it makes perfect sense. I just some how had misunderstood that originally.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Relax - 02-20-2019

oh WOW

THIS

Heart


(02-19-2019, 12:30 PM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  
(01-30-2019, 06:09 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:  I would dare say that there is an aspect of male energies that is very ISOLATING when not counterbalanced by strong female relationships.

It becomes more and more lost in its attempts to make sense of things.

On the other side - women have a more naturally grounding approach - which makes them less prone to the worse effects of Abstraction. However - the down side of this is that when women do become socially isolated and depressed - it actually hits them much worse, because the natural connective instincts are truly thwarted.

This male isolation (very few female friends, not in a committed relationship) is not really wisdom. It's a kind of Abstraction that happens when the seeking isn't grounded in relationships.

This is an incredibly insightful comment on the thread topic. Love, in my opinion, involves a totalizing acceptance of all, not necessarily in terms of approval but in terms of acknowledging the place of everything. Wisdom, to similarly compress it into a definition, has more to do with the sense we make of all that stuff, which means it relies upon our own orientation relative to the that stuff.

What I find silly about the typical male-ish attitude is not it's attempts to make sense of things, but the attachment so many male-ish people have to having their person, unique, idiosyncratic sense validated. Many of the logic bros (like me) think that their value and social relevance comes almost entirely from their artful arrangement of perceptions and inferences into a consistent system of principles that delivers discrete answers to as many questions as possible. So it has much less to do with logic than with argumentation, debate, and the social dimension of things. Most of all, it has to do with the amount of certainty one's system can foster in oneself, how much of the universe's mystery one can keep at bay.

We need to understand that our way of making sense of things in our lives as a lot to do with who we are, what we've experienced, and the sort of position in the social matrix we occupy, the "direction" we are facing in our lives. Were we to stand in a different position facing a new direction, the consistency of the system we use to explain and make sense of the world would be compromised. So many logic bros want the world to come to them, to meet them at their position, rather than explore different places to stand and work with the different ways to make sense of those views.

I truly doubt that wisdom has as much to do with intelligence as many think. A lot of "smart people" have simply developed a system of principles, a kind of heuristic for categorizing things that happen. What differentiates truly wise people, I've found, is their patience, their comfort with the tentative nature of things, and their willingness to move into areas of discomfort to learn what things feel and look like in a different position, facing a different direction. What they accrue is not a system or some algorithm for better processing reality; instead, they build a knowledge of the self that is occupying these different positions and facing these different directions. The more diversity you're exposed to, the most the common variable in all those situations gets exposed: you. What stays the same no matter where you go or where you look is you, and touching that in yourself or another is far, far more powerful than being smart. Touching that allows you to say the smart thing for somebody facing the opposite way you are.

I'm learning a lot about the more feminine approach so I don't have as much to say about that. Smile



RE: Wisdom Run Amok - unity100 - 02-21-2019

(02-15-2019, 08:09 PM)Louisabell Wrote:  I see how that this can be possible, as the use here of the term 'blockage' when applied to later densities is not necessarily a constriction of information flow, but more a blockage of the radiation of light, much like an eclipse or a black hole with a density so strong that light can't escape it.

Yes, its not only information. It also is a lack of communication or radiation of the entity's own self.

Quote:
25.11 Wrote:Ra: ... The so-called negative service-to-self entity in this [fifth] density is at an high level of awareness and wisdom and has ceased activity except by thought. The fifth-density negative is extraordinarily compacted and separated from all else.

I wonder if there is a connection here to the black hole analogy which can help explain Ra's choice of the terms 'extraordinarily compacted'.

They are not analogous. A black hole still radiates a lot of energy in the form of very high frequency waves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

Moreover, its not that nothing can escape black holes - its even so that some stuff cant get in.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/chandra/news/black-hole-rejects-food.html

Behold 7th density harvest rejects...

Quote:It has always been my assertion that intelligent energy carries a massive amount of information in it, with our level of awareness being the barometer of how much of it we can access consciously. So in my mind there had to be a way for a negative fifth density entity to access that information if it was going to be anywhere near effective magically against a positive entity of similar power.

Accessing information is the same for everyone. If an entity is not permitted access to a piece of information for whatsoever reason, that information wont be accessible. Positive or negative. But what's more important:

Quote:Although I don't think this is neccessary in 3d. I remember talking to a friend from my past who was persuing a man who already had a partner. She was so perplexed as to why her advances weren't working as she was convinced that she was better than the man's partner in every way (i.e. IQ, looks, sense of humor). It was very surreal having to teach a grown woman the basics of love 101, that maybe people are worth more than how they look on paper.

Maybe she learnt something about true love that day, or maybe she used our orange/yellow ray relationship to mine me for information so that she could improve her calculations in cold-reading people, making her even more effective at manipulating situations to her advantage in the future. I can't know and it's her freewill choice to make.

What I'm trying to say is that people can appear quite normal, even appear successful in this world, while having no comprehension of love, except for how it can cause people to act in strange, if not illogical, ways. How one can utilize orange and yellow rays effectively enough to pierce intelligent infinity though - I have absolutely no idea how that's possible.  Confused

Such stuff like relationship gimmicks, jealousy, small games etc are nowhere near anything that could be considered negative. There are negative elements in some of these behaviors, but, they have no comparison whatsoever with any negative 5d entity or its activities. That's even leaving aside the fact that a negative 5d entity's interaction with 3d or anything other than its own self is a rare occurrence in itself - the entity sees little value in anything other than itself, hence bothering with anything else other than itself is a great disgust to it. You can read this in relevant q/as in Ra material or even see similar behavior patterns in various negatively polarized personalities on this planet (generally the ultra rich or nobility) to some extent.

(02-18-2019, 10:07 PM)Louisabell Wrote:  Actually I have meditated on this further and in my analysis I have found that the information contained in intelligent energy is actually generated when it is distorted/refracted. It is the forms and colours that emerge from intelligent energy when manipulated, whether intentional or not, that is informative to the mind. Without distortion the energy would just flow unimpeded as love and presence, beyond thought or mental impression. So a complete blockage of 4th and 5th rays may be the transformation of all that potential energy into information ... information about all the various subtle (and not so subtle) distortion patterns and how to identify and manipulate them, making the negative adept very clever, but shut-off from the wisdom of the All Mind...

...this is still a working theory though.

Knowledge is just the awareness of different states of existence and their relationships. All of the states and relationships already exist within infinity, and they manifest in existence by refracting, through the logos. So knowledge is not generated at the point where logos channels intelligent infinity to the existence, or even at the point where infinite intelligence comes to being from infinity. But it already exists inside infinity.

We just encompass a small fraction of that knowledge, or, states of existence, with our being. This includes all kinds of knowledge and understanding - what are called intellectual or emotional or spiritual etc in our society cannot be separated from the general concept of awareness or knowledge depending on how one would prefer to name it.

Quote:Thanks for the explanation of your interpretation of the material anyways.

my pleasure.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - flofrog - 02-21-2019

(01-31-2019, 09:08 PM)Minyatur Wrote:  I've joined near the end of 2014 and people were already complaining it wasn't how it was before, I wonder how that was. For myself, I just felt I had found a place I belonged to in an intuitive sense. Later on, I came to see that what I was really drawn to were brothers and sisters of mine, so I never had any expectation of the place and really have been here out of being fond of the people, even if sometimes things could get heated I never lost sight of that either. In this world we don't distill easy things.

I joined in 2016 ( gotta check this. lol ) and Minyatur, you said beautifully exactly my feeling about here, thank you !! Wink


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - loostudent - 02-24-2019

(02-11-2019, 07:36 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:  I think being cruelly honest with someone is a misuse of blue ray. We can be too honest.
That's why they say TMI.

I think it's not just important WHAT you say (truth) but also HOW you say it. It's possible to comnunicate the same truth in a way that is/is not compassionate.

Spiritual progress is not always from love to wisdom. Sometimes wisdom needs to be balanced by love. Maybe it's possible for negatives to ommit green and open the blue chakra to some degree.

I don't think self love is some kind of inverted activation of green center. Green ray is for manifesting universal love. If this vibration is used for intensifying love of self then green centre stays closed. Ego and domination power means yellow chakra is more activated instead.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - rva_jeremy - 02-26-2019

Louisabell Wrote:Actually I have meditated on this further and in my analysis I have found that the information contained in intelligent energy is actually generated when it is distorted/refracted. It is the forms and colours that emerge from intelligent energy when manipulated, whether intentional or not, that is informative to the mind. Without distortion the energy would just flow unimpeded as love and presence, beyond thought or mental impression.

This is something I meant to also comment on, but my morning reading touched on it so I'm kind of glad I waited. Here's an excerpt that stood out to me from a 1986 reading:

Q'uo Wrote:You will find many wars going on within yourself during this period and it is as though everything that you did know methodically becomes torn away. This is a necessary and a continuing part of the spiritual path, for distortions are all that we notice. It is difficult for the critical consciousness to perceive complete regularity in an infinite configuration. No, my friends, each of us notices peculiarities, and it is by emphasizing certain dynamic tensions that polarity itself takes place.

I think of experience in a very similar to what Louisabell describes: that there's something about the displacement of unity that is the essence of what we are referring to when we talk about "experience" and the learning issuing from that. Blockages teach lessons, as all distortion does.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Louisabell - 03-04-2019

(02-26-2019, 03:47 PM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  
Louisabell Wrote:Actually I have meditated on this further and in my analysis I have found that the information contained in intelligent energy is actually generated when it is distorted/refracted. It is the forms and colours that emerge from intelligent energy when manipulated, whether intentional or not, that is informative to the mind. Without distortion the energy would just flow unimpeded as love and presence, beyond thought or mental impression.

This is something I meant to also comment on, but my morning reading touched on it so I'm kind of glad I waited. Here's an excerpt that stood out to me from a 1986 reading:



Q\uo Wrote:You will find many wars going on within yourself during this period and it is as though everything that you did know methodically becomes torn away. This is a necessary and a continuing part of the spiritual path, for distortions are all that we notice. It is difficult for the critical consciousness to perceive complete regularity in an infinite configuration. No, my friends, each of us notices peculiarities, and it is by emphasizing certain dynamic tensions that polarity itself takes place.

I think of experience in a very similar to what Louisabell describes: that there's something about the displacement of unity that is the essence of what we are referring to when we talk about "experience" and the learning issuing from that. Blockages teach lessons, as all distortion does.


Thanks Jeremy, that's a great quote! I can relate.

It's easy to see how thoughts/emotions generated from the lower triad of rays are distortions. I suppose it wasn't so easy for me to also see this with the higher rays, as they too must refract intelligent energy to create expression/information (up to seventh maybe). Definately inspirational thoughts/feelings/sensations at higher levels are things that can illicit strong attachment, but these expressions inevitably are incomplete truths of the greater "mystery", and perhaps it is highly useful to let them fall away so that the energies expressed may evolve over time. Smile


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - peregrine - 03-12-2019

Returning to the matter of these fora's balance of love and wisdom, I would offer the following lengthy excerpt.

It strikes me that in this summation of healthy 3D developement, there is no weight given at all to wisdom.  I don't think this implies that wisdom is unnecessary, but my point is this: if the efficient manner of human intercourse--in terms of spiritual growth--is the developement of the heart center, then why is not more of the traffic through these pages not exploring the lessons of love.

No big deal.  Just thought I'd throw this out.  Seems like a paradox.


Don and Ra Wrote:21.9 Questioner: Now, when the 75,000-year cycle started, [the] life span was approximately nine hundred years, average. What was the process and scheduling of— mechanism, shall I say, of reincarnation at that time, and how did the time in between incarnations into third-density physical apply to the growth of the mind/body/spirit complex?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is more complex than most. We shall begin. The incarnation pattern of the beginning third-density mind/body/spirit complex begins in darkness, for you may think or consider of your density as one of, as you may say, a sleep and a forgetting. This is the only plane of forgetting. It is necessary for the third-density entity to forget so that the mechanisms of confusion or free will may operate upon the newly individuated consciousness complex.

Thus, the beginning entity is one in all innocence oriented towards animalistic behavior using other-selves only as extensions of self for the preservation of the all-self. The entity becomes slowly aware that it has needs, shall we say, that are not animalistic; that is, that are useless for survival. These needs include: the need for companionship, the need for laughter, the need for beauty, the need to know the universe about it. These are the beginning needs.

As the incarnations begin to accumulate, further needs are discovered: the need to trade, the need to love, the need to be loved, the need to elevate animalistic behaviors to a more universal perspective.

During the first portion of third-density cycles, incarnations are automatic and occur rapidly upon the cessation of energy complex of the physical vehicle. There is small need to review or to heal the experiences of the incarnation. As, what you would call, the energy centers begin to be activated to a higher extent, more of the content of experience during incarnation deals with the lessons of love.

Thus the time, as you may understand it, between incarnations is lengthened to give appropriate attention to the review and the healing of experiences of the previous incarnation. At some point in third density, the green-ray energy center becomes activated and at that point incarnation ceases to be automatic.


21.10 Questioner: When incarnation ceases to become automatic I am assuming that the entity can decide when he needs to reincarnate for the benefit of his own learning. Does he also select his parents?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.



RE: Wisdom Run Amok - flofrog - 03-12-2019

I want you to know guys, just to make you jealous, I don't think I chose my parents yet, but I sure had lovely ones, and I have lots of 'beginning needs' !! lol Big Grin

Peregrine, perhaps we deal less with love on these posts, because we have to deal with it everyday in reality, perhaps with entities that sometimes do not want our love at all, and that's really hard sometimes Wink

So lots of discussions are about wisdom because that's where we would like to be, and would like to see the veil down and would like to float with love and wisdom more... lol


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - peregrine - 03-13-2019

(03-12-2019, 06:39 PM)flofrog Wrote:  I want you to know guys, just to make you jealous, I don't think I chose my parents yet, but I sure had lovely ones, and I have lots of 'beginning needs'  !!  lol  Big Grin

Peregrine, perhaps we deal less with love on these posts,  because we have to deal with it everyday in reality, perhaps with entities that sometimes do not want our love at all, and that's really hard sometimes Wink

So lots of discussions are about wisdom because that's where we would like to be, and would like to see the veil down and would like to float with love and wisdom more...  lol

Sure, that's fine, but on the other hand I just don't understand why--for the sake of efficiency, if nothing else--we, myself included, don't expend more effort on helping one another open (or more fully open) the green ray thingy so that our incarnations can be more fulfilling and we can be of greater service to the Creator.  What am I missing?

  


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - flofrog - 03-13-2019

Mmm, that makes sense Peregrine I see what you mean

Is it because we might be ashamed to show off our good side ? Or because we feel we do very little good in the end. I shall think about something that truly felt like love given.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Glow - 03-13-2019

(03-13-2019, 08:13 PM)peregrine Wrote:  
(03-12-2019, 06:39 PM)flofrog Wrote:  I want you to know guys, just to make you jealous, I don't think I chose my parents yet, but I sure had lovely ones, and I have lots of 'beginning needs'  !!  lol  Big Grin

Peregrine, perhaps we deal less with love on these posts,  because we have to deal with it everyday in reality, perhaps with entities that sometimes do not want our love at all, and that's really hard sometimes Wink

So lots of discussions are about wisdom because that's where we would like to be, and would like to see the veil down and would like to float with love and wisdom more...  lol

Sure, that's fine, but on the other hand I just don't understand why--for the sake of efficiency, if nothing else--we, myself included, don't expend more effort on helping one another open (or more fully open) the green ray thingy so that our incarnations can be more fulfilling and we can be of greater service to the Creator.  What am I missing?

  
Thanks Peregrine for saying that.

I have been having an issue related to green ray and higher that I really could use some insight into but as it isn't what we normally discuss on the forum I have delayed posting the thread. I am having trouble navigating a transition and it ends up making me move into fear instead of the love state I obviously prefer.
I will try to get the thread started tomorrow and could use any and all insight.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - peregrine - 03-13-2019

 
Cool.  I look forward to reading that, Glow, and trying to support you in your journey to the heart of All.  I think that trekking (even if only stumbling) in that direction is what all of want most deeply.

Returning to the general question of why much more traffic here is speculative and thought-oriented rather than dealing with the basic task at hand (if being a 4D draft pick for the positive team is your goal) of opening the green ray center, I had a further--and very simple--thought.  Perhaps the preponderance of random speculative and associative thoughts is simply a reflection of the relative lack of polarization of these discussion fora.  In other words, if they (we {I}) were more polarized, wouldn't we see more of a sense of long-term seeking and dedication to service to the Creator and stuff like that on these pages?  Or am I misconstruing the matter?

 


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Louisabell - 03-14-2019

(03-13-2019, 11:08 PM)peregrine Wrote:  Returning to the general question of why much more traffic here is speculative and thought-oriented rather than dealing with the basic task at hand (if being a 4D draft pick for the positive team is your goal) of opening the green ray center, I had a further--and very simple--thought.  Perhaps the preponderance of random speculative and associative thoughts is simply a reflection of the relative lack of polarization of these discussion fora.  In other words, if they (we {I}) were more polarized, wouldn't we see more of a sense of long-term seeking and dedication to service to the Creator and stuff like that on these pages?  Or am I misconstruing the matter?
 

That is quite the question, one that is hard hitting. I do wonder how other people are going at expressing universal love. I feel as though my progress in this so far has been so hard-won, the transformation of where I started is incredible, I would like to discuss this more here.

I feel like this forum does really well in reminding us to accept those things we're not accepting, but are we really sharing love?

(03-13-2019, 11:08 PM)peregrine Wrote:  In other words, if they (we {I}) were more polarized, wouldn't we see more of a sense of long-term seeking and dedication to service to the Creator and stuff like that on these pages?

While I do see seeking and a desire to serve here, I think with more positive polarisation there would be more coherency/harmony/single-pointed direction? Maybe more feedback loops of positive energy would be generated? I'm not sure. What would it look like?

Also what is the difference between knowledge and wisdom? And is there a difference between plain wisdom and wisdom that has been embued in love? Are we effectively identifying these?

I think I will ponder on these questions more. Sorry I didn't really end up saying anything definitive in this response. Smile


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - flofrog - 03-14-2019

(03-14-2019, 12:40 AM)Louisabell Wrote:  That is quite the question, one that is hard hitting. I do wonder how other people are going at expressing universal love. I feel as though my progress in this so far has been so hard-won, the transformation of where I started is incredible, I would like to discuss this more here.

I feel like this forum does really well in reminding us to accept those things we're not accepting, but are we really sharing love?


(03-13-2019, 11:08 PM)peregrine Wrote:  In other words, if they (we {I}) were more polarized, wouldn't we see more of a sense of long-term seeking and dedication to service to the Creator and stuff like that on these pages?

While I do see seeking and a desire to serve here, I think with more positive polarisation there would be more coherency/harmony/single-pointed direction? Maybe more feedback loops of positive energy would be generated? I'm not sure. What would it look like?

Also what is the difference between knowledge and wisdom? And is there a difference between plain wisdom and wisdom that has been embued in love? Are we effectively identifying these?

I think I will ponder on these questions more. Sorry I didn't really end up saying anything definitive in this response. Smile

You know I have been on this forum since end of 2016, with big lapse in the middle as I was so busy with work. I do feel in all the time I have been reading here posts, that in fact it is most of the time, indirectly about love and actual frustration at how unable we are to really apply it constantly and being humble about it.

I think also Louisabell has it right about more positive polarisation making it easier to give feedbacks.
I am also wondering if we might not be at time more polarized than we think but that the task seems easier so we don't think we are that polarized. Sometimes way in the past I am thinking whoa I went through this, and got through... lol And then perhaps we pass through less polarized phase, even if the goal stays focussed, just to breathe Big Grin

I learn a lot from all those threads.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - peregrine - 03-14-2019

(03-14-2019, 12:52 AM)flofrog Wrote:  I think also Louisabell has it right about more positive polarisation making it easier to give feedbacks.  
I am also wondering if we might not be at time more polarized than we think but that the task seems easier so we don't think we are that polarized.  Sometimes way in the past I am thinking whoa I went through this, and got through...  lol   And then perhaps we pass through less polarized phase, even if the goal stays focussed, just to breathe  Big Grin

Well, I suppose one's view on polarization depends on what one expects it to look like.  In general terms, I would expect it to look less randomized and more specifically directed towards green ray purposes.  I would expect more discussions of green ray activation and instances where members join together now and then to share it.  If I had just stumbled onto a forum, I would consider it positively polarized if there were discussions of service to the Creator and opportunities to join activities of holding the sorrows of the world in our hearts.

This group has lately been good at toleration of one another, but that's really a more passive sort of thing compared to a focused intention to do work, in my view.

Maybe that's too narrow a view, but it seems like a good baseline.  Ra & Q'uo advise against trying to pinpoint degrees of polarization, but these simple characteristics seem reasonable.  Or am I off base?


And just to be clear, I tap all this out without any ill feeling towards anyone.  There is no me-versus-them sentiment here.  This applies to myself as much as to anything else.  I'm just trying to open up the "meta" conversation.

   


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Diana - 03-14-2019

(03-13-2019, 08:13 PM)peregrine Wrote:  Sure, that's fine, but on the other hand I just don't understand why--for the sake of efficiency, if nothing else--we, myself included, don't expend more effort on helping one another open (or more fully open) the green ray thingy so that our incarnations can be more fulfilling and we can be of greater service to the Creator.  What am I missing? 

It's up to each individual to progress along a path. Our only responsibility as beings is to ourselves (this is not selfishness, rather, it's accountability). Ultimately we have no control over others which is why the negative path can only go so far.

The highest form of service flows from love balanced with wisdom. If the love is not without attachment, it is controlling. A person who seeks to be of service to others is entirely different than a person who is of service because that is who he or she is (neither being better, just at different points on a path).

If one is seeking to be of service, then what is that person engaged in?—things outside of self. But if one stays focused on evolving the self, that person's acts will flow from a true place. As an observer of self, we can see where we are at and make adjustments (everyone "knows" what adjustments to make). This is not to say it's bad to desire to be of service.

If a member here tries to "help" another member, there is the possibility that this desire might get in the way of a more efficacious path to understanding. Maybe the person who needs help would benefit more from a mirroring of his/her own distortion, or a disagreement bringing to the surface self-truths, or any number of ways to evolution. How do we predict what help is to another? So then, how to help another? Ultimately it's all good, as they say. We begin as blocks of marble, and we chip away at ourselves like artists (our own creators), the grosser, broader, larger chunks first, then smaller bumps and finally smoothing and refining the beautiful sculpture of ourselves we have created. In this forum, we "rub up" against each other, revealing the bumps and rough patches.

I think an integral component on the path to being of service is to truly be honest with self, to stay focused on the evolution of self, and all will follow. It is paradoxical that focusing on self evolution actually makes one more aware of others. I think this is because one isn't holding tightly to "trying" to be something, which makes awareness shrink because adherence to the desire takes constant energy and focus. When one let's go of attachment to such desire, the energy is released from its hold.

Using the infamous "meat threads" as an example, think of all the growth and expanded awareness that likely came out of conflict, disagreements, triggered emotions, and diverse points of view.

It might be seen that whatever the discourse is here, it is helpful.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Bring4th_Austin - 03-14-2019

I find this question and discussion very interesting, as a person who has contemplated Bring4th and what creates forum culture in general.

For clarity's sake, peregrine, I am curious about your vision of a more love-based forum. To echo Louisabell, what would it look like? Are there any specific threads or discussions currently on Bring4th that you think would be more frequent?



I think at least some headway into your question might have to do with the reason for people coming to Bring4th in the first place. This is a specific community that is built up around a specific material that takes talking about love to the furthest abstraction (thanks to Ra's tendencies towards very specific and long-winded communication.) It's no surprise to me that people attracted to the Law of One like to discuss the intricate details about spirituality and love rather than addressing the broader heart of the matter more directly. I recently realized that my own attraction to the Law of One shares a space with my love of detail-oriented fantasy worlds and stories. I can rock a Game of Thrones trivia thanks to the part of my brain that's engaged by collecting those details. A similar part of my brain is engaged by the Law of One, but thankfully it allows me to turn that engagement towards my spiritual life with great efficacy.

I don't think many people come to Bring4th for the specific purpose of opening the heart and furthering their polarization. I think they come because they want to discuss the material with people who also enjoy the material, or simply share space with them. Whether this is indicative of any amount of polarization, who knows? I think that it could be both - people who haven't yet approached the heart fully will probably distract themselves with details, and people who have engaged the heart and find interest in using wisdom to apply the love found therein will also be interested in discussing details of exactly how this whole love, light, and spirituality thing works. In that sense, I tend to agree with flofrog - it seems to me that most of the interactions here are at least indirectly about love, just set askew with some details that may or may not be actually relevant to love.

I will say that my own perspective on the place of love and wisdom along the path of a seeker differs a bit from your own, peregrine. You invoke a particular Ra quote to indicate that it seems that in a "proper" progression, wisdom takes a backseat to love. I think this is generally true for a third-density entity. However, Ra also indicates that once green-ray activation is achieved, "the remainder of the incarnation will be focused upon activation of the primary blue ray of freely given communication, of indigo ray, that of freely shared intelligent energy, and if possible, moving through this gateway, the penetration of violet-ray intelligent infinity."

I do think I have a lower bar for assessing green-ray activation than you might. I don't necessarily think that implicit in the activation of green ray is a capacity to focus primarily on love, organize efforts to offer opportunities to share it, or even communicate it in an effective manner. In fact, generally I would attribute those traits to a relatively balanced being with blue ray integrated with green ray, which would necessarily require an exploration of wisdom first.

Typically, my view of a green-ray activated being is a person who has grasped the thread of love, but perhaps has not been able to thread the needle. There is a glimmer, a desire to love, a true understanding that love is generally an ideal to strive for, and a genuine desire to grow that capacity. But upon that activation I think there are many hurdles. Green-ray activation doesn't necessarily imply a consistent balance in the lower centers. I generally think that any seeker, and particularly those who find themselves on Bring4th, have generally activated and exercised their green ray to a certain extent. And the progression from that point, in my eyes, isn't always an identical journey. At that point the blue ray is available, and wisdom may be invoked to explore the application of love and organize one's context on the spiritual journey. Or one may feel the desire to share the love felt in green ray directly, meeting with catalyst that will necessarily cause them to integrate and balance otherwise. Those are two possibilities of what I think is generally and infinitely unique path for each.

That's not to say that the over-focus on wisdom and picky details can't be a distraction or a hindrance. I'm not making any argument about the balance/imbalance being addressed by your broader question. Just offering an alternative exploration of that question.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - Glow - 03-14-2019

'Bring4th_Austin


Really enjoyed your perspective and I think that your points especially about activation in different centres is really helpful. I think my issue I am still planning a thread on has to do with how activating my higher centres leads to a temporary partial closing of the heart when those upper centres balance is lost.

I could use your perspective too if you are around when I get it typed properly because I feel like understanding even partially what is happening will dull the contrast/transition and maybe keep me from moving into fear so far when it happens.


RE: Wisdom Run Amok - peregrine - 03-15-2019

 
Since beginning this thread (and choosing a misleading title), I have come to realize that this isn't a wisdom-versus-love matter.  Wisdom or no wisdom, as I read it, one central message of the material is that it is imperative now for 3d humanoids to begin using 4d light so that we can (a) assist the planet in its transition and (b) prepare for the so-called harvest.

For those with a bent towards service, it makes sense, then, to work specifically towards accepting and working with 4d light.  Of course, discovering what that means exactly might entail a little bit of "soul searching" and discussion.  But it seems to me that those who are experienced with such things could share what they know.

I'm fine with the fora doing what they do.  I agree that it is helpful for us as we grope our way towards their spiritual unfolding.  But consider this.  The genesis of this whole affair is the responding of the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow to the suffering of our people.  So, why can't some portion of this congregation be oriented towards recapitulating the process.  That is, why can't some portion of this thing be dedicated to calling for guidance in terms of working with 4d light?

Okay, I could start a thread on that topic, but what I'm "calling" for is a communal effort, not to simply talk about it casually with no "skin in the game," but to create a focus of combined energy of seeking around this topic.

Maybe a group would be interested in meditating on this repeatedly for a period of time and then reporting back?  Perhaps we could call in a way that had a group focus and would be energized by our collected desire to serve?