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What Exactly Is Time/Space? - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 11-25-2017
I was reading some passages and noted that Ra almost uses Time/Space the way we might simply say Time.
It makes me wonder if time/space can be equated to the time in space/time, and if space/time can be equated to space in time/space.
As if to say "time/space" is technically the time oriented portion of the spacetime continuum and "space/time" is technically the space oriented portion of the timespace continuum.
And since both are each other with a clear reciprocal relationship, there appears to be some interesting relationship between Time and time/space that leads me to believe a similar relationship exists between Space and space/time.
Time/Space. Space/Time.
They belong to each other but are individual enough to be individuated. They are each other but differing sides of the same coin.
Time is intangible as is timespace.
Space is tangible as is spacetime.
We know what Space/Time or otherwise put, dominantly manifesting spatial dimensions, is like.
What must dominantly manifesting temporal dimensions seem like?
If time is the dominant dimensions then we can assume the space/time temporal/timespace relationship can give insight as to the time/space spatial/spacetime relationship.
We know time barely as a linear construct when its closer to simultaneity and thus Nonlinearly-Linear. Yet we know space somewhat well.
Time/space might experience space is a less concrete way, as being more reactively inert the way time to us appears actively inert, unchangeable despite constantly changing, and further, relative and malleable at extreme measurements of speed (vibration) as space in time/space might also be.
So space to us is as is clearly as while time is more illusive and mysterious.
In time/space this elusive nature might be the mechanism of travel (like how we have a spatial point A and B, only this instance occurs in a temporal dominant dimension with temporal point A and B), with spatiality in time/space being the tool of progress the way Time is our tool of progress.
Infinite Time but nothing to shape it.
Infinite Space but nothing to change it.
They need each other to grow and evolve.
Does anyone have any further thoughts?
RE: What Exactly Is Time/Space? - Night Owl - 11-25-2017
The way I see it time and space are like two axis of the same thing that we measure by experience. Like the X,Y axis in algebra. You could see space as a form of time or time as a form of space, it doesn't really matter, they both express similar concepts such movement, change and also persistance. When you focus more on the space axis, change is slower, movement is very apparent because the surrounding is moving very slowly and it appears to persist longer than our internal state. When your focus is one time, there is less seperation between the experiencer and the experience, movement isn't as apparent because everything change mostly equally. Ever noticed how dreams can appear as almost eternal but then everything can change instantly? Change isn't as direct but when it happens it just goes boom.
It can seem kind of complex to conceptualize time/space at first but really we all have a very instinctive understanding of it as we all experience it. When we dream, day dream, meditate, get high, lucid dream, these are all experiences that shift our focus towards time rather than space. Even things like sex which raises the vibration can be seen as bringing you closer towards time/space.
But beyond that I don't think you will be able to pinpoint a perfect way to concepualize that mentally; it is better experienced, the mind can only get you so far into abstract concepts.
RE: What Exactly Is Time/Space? - unity100 - 11-25-2017
Seeing space/time as slowed down existence, and time/space as much faster vibrating existence may be a good perspective.
time/space is therefore, much more fluid, changing, ie 'spirit-like'.
space/time is much less fluid, can provide rigidity, structure.
RE: What Exactly Is Time/Space? - Infinite - 11-26-2017
Inner planes. Abstract nature. Volatile to consciousness work. Spheric time. That are some characteristics of time/space. Space/time is read each page of a book sequentially. Time/space is read the whole book at once.
RE: What Exactly Is Time/Space? - APeacefulWarrior - 11-26-2017
(11-25-2017, 03:36 PM)unity100 Wrote: Seeing space/time as slowed down existence, and time/space as much faster vibrating existence may be a good perspective.
time/space is therefore, much more fluid, changing, ie 'spirit-like'.
space/time is much less fluid, can provide rigidity, structure.
You know, there's an interesting dynamic going on here.
Time/Space is fluid and ever-changing, which in turn makes those entities residing in it extremely slow to change. On the other hand, Space/Time is an experiment in semi-permanence, but one which allows entities to change quickly.
When the realm is fast, the self is slow. When the realm is slow, the self is fast.
RE: What Exactly Is Time/Space? - rva_jeremy - 11-26-2017
Man, I initially read your question as "what is space and time" and started getting into some really cool concepts before realizing. Hopefully this tees me up to address the actual topic. I'm going to what it might be like to be in time/space, i.e. what characteristics of our current experience are likely to be magnified or minified in time/space, since we can't easily use a language designed for to describe a completely different quality of experience.
We know how those of Ra describe time/space: a mode of the Creation where space is vectorized and time is traversable at will, as opposed to the inverse in space/time. But what is it like to consciously occupy?
I get the sense that concept is a much more distilled phenomenon in T/S, that distinctions between entities and objects are not pronounced, but everything is much more fluid, as unity100 said. This would make sense, as the ability to articulate time more exactly than space would yield a perception where there are no discrete "things"; they'd be more recognizable as processes than as objects, since your ability to understand them would be to observe them at any time but more or less from a fixed perspective in relative spatial terms.
Perhaps this explains why healing, rest, and review can occur in time/space; one has the ability to observe the incarnation in totality, as a complete hologram of experience. Meanwhile, as painful or distressing as viewing one's life this way may be, it must be restful and healing to be forced by the conditions of existence to balance, since you have no ability to effect anything. It is this inability to "do" at all, but only to "be", that stretches an entity in the opposite direction of space/time incarnation.
Those of Ra describe time/space as "as complex and complete a system of illusions, dances, and pattern as is space/time and has as structured a system of what you may call natural laws". So what would be the temporal version of something like gravity, something that operates on our otherwise free traverse of space? In other words, it sounds like we don't just float about in time anymore than we now float about in space; instead, time appears to have some sort of topology or landscape we navigate as we remain constant spatially.
I'm out of ideas.
RE: What Exactly Is Time/Space? - unity100 - 11-26-2017
(11-26-2017, 01:46 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:(11-25-2017, 03:36 PM)unity100 Wrote: Seeing space/time as slowed down existence, and time/space as much faster vibrating existence may be a good perspective.
time/space is therefore, much more fluid, changing, ie 'spirit-like'.
space/time is much less fluid, can provide rigidity, structure.
You know, there's an interesting dynamic going on here.
Time/Space is fluid and ever-changing, which in turn makes those entities residing in it extremely slow to change. On the other hand, Space/Time is an experiment in semi-permanence, but one which allows entities to change quickly.
When the realm is fast, the self is slow. When the realm is slow, the self is fast.
That's an interesting look. However there is one important point:
Space/time is also fluid and ever changing. But it is much less fluid than time/space and the pace of change is much slower.
Additionally, it may not be accurate to say that the entity/self is slow in time/space. The nature of spirit does not change with incarnating, and spiritual biases change slowly in general. Even in space/time. Indeed, the change and progress may be faster in an existence that alternates in between space/time incarnations and time/space, but the nature of spirit does not change.
So, 'self' (ie, the actual spirit) does not become faster in space/time for change. But it changes faster in space/time.
RE: What Exactly Is Time/Space? - anagogy - 11-26-2017
(11-25-2017, 04:16 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: I was reading some passages and noted that Ra almost uses Time/Space the way we might simply say Time.
It makes me wonder if time/space can be equated to the time in space/time, and if space/time can be equated to space in time/space.
As if to say "time/space" is technically the time oriented portion of the spacetime continuum and "space/time" is technically the space oriented portion of the timespace continuum.
In my opinion, this is precisely what they intended to convey. They spoke of the "inequity" between space and time as being the distinguishing factor between the tangible and intangible, the visible and the invisible, the physical and the metaphysical.
What most people don't realize is that this "inequity" isn't a binary either/or scenario. Meaning, there are *infinite* gradations of orientation towards one side or the other. There are infinite planes.
You can have situations for example where the ratio or inequity between space and time is 14% time to 86% space as an arbitrary example. Voila, you have your physical plane. And then you move up into the lower astral where it is 29% time to 71% space. And so on up the planes, with the "inequity" being gradually shifted more and more towards the weight of its manifestation being on the shoulders of the property we call "time" more than than the property we call "space". Now, of course they are both "space", but one is "outer space" and one is "inner space". This ratio is a ratio of the tangible to the intangible. All tangible manifestations are "cross sections" through the higher continuum of the intangible. All tangible items are "crystallizations" of thought or light. So all physical constructs are simply just slowed down, lower vibrational, light. The more "pure" the orientation towards the space we call time, the closer you get to the changeless and eternal spirit. Time becomes infinite, space becomes infinitesimal.
And you have your astro-nauts who explore outer space, and you have your astral-nauts who explore inner space (sometimes called "psychonauts", but that often has more entheogeonic connotations).
It begins and ends in mystery. The unmoved mover. The uncaused causer. The infinite stillness of infinite potential that exercises will to manifest the actual. I applaud all who are reaching for these truths. They are priceless gems.