(11-11-2017, 10:14 AM)MangusKhan Wrote: Do you think it is possible to love someone while simultaneously antagonising them? I do and I do. "The Battle" fundamentally underpins the entire polarised experience. I see it as something to embrace. If one has made it to godhead from this logos without ever having been a warrior or having engaged in battle of some kind, I would question why they ever bothered partaking in the first place. It is not the winning/losing which bewilders the supreme intelligence of the soul in each of us, but rather the attachment to result.

"When two warriors meet, the one without an enemy shall always win." - Laozi

What do you think? I recently invited all forum-partaking entities to criticise me and my thinking, so please tell me honestly and without restraint how you view this particular mode of thought, without fear of consequence or backlash.

(11-11-2017, 10:37 AM)Turtle Wrote: Also, you still got something in your stache man. lol.

(11-11-2017, 10:30 AM)Stranger Wrote: I appreciate the invitation to honesty, MangusKhan. I think we are designed to long for the harmony of peace and ultimate connectedness, which is the original state of Consciousness. We are designed to long for a return to this state. It is the state within which the One Creator dwells. Perhaps bored with it, the Creator chose to explore various perturbations of that state - in the same way that the mirror-like stillness of a pond is beautiful, but patterns of intersecting ripples when it is disturbed are interesting and perhaps even mesmerizing. The Creator chose to be absorbed in the ripples, but ultimately we are meant to make the Great Journey Home.

It is appropriate for young children to enjoy the simple toys. But as children outgrow the simpler toys and long for something richer, so we too eventually outgrow and become bored or weary with the conflicts and hassles of 3D disharmony and want to move on.

That path seems to lie in less antagonizing and more loving. Antagonizing is imperfect loving, in my realization. It's disharmony that creates friction. It can be fun for a while, but feels so good to transcend.

(11-11-2017, 10:58 AM)Stranger Wrote: Following up on the original post - it may be useful to remain mindful of which side of the Love/Winlose - Winlose/Love polarity we're playing out at any given time, as we go through our day.  We all know, I think, how Love feels, and how irritating  Winlose/Losewin feels. And if we realize that even Win carries Lose with it, the choice becomes even clearer.

But then catalyst comes up.  People's actions will often pull us strongly towards Winlose/Losewin.  Someone makes an antagonizing move and our ego leaps up to respond in kind, even if only with anger and resentment -- but even if we don't aggress, we're still in the conflict-ridden mind-space.  

Egos are very sensitive to perceived aggression, and don't understand Love.  Egos enjoy getting sucked into conflict and try to gain the upper hand.  Which is also the lower hand, unfortunately (Win/Lose = Lose/Win)  but egos don't get that.  They're part of social animal consciousness, steeped in hierarchy, social status and survival needs.  So if we want to be free, this is where Spirit needs to step in and gently redirect us back toward the path of harmony - even with those who would choose to attempt to suck us into their ego-games.  Especially with them.

Hence, love thy enemies.  Because then, as Laozi apparently realized, you will have no enemies.

(11-11-2017, 11:25 AM)MangusKhan Wrote: Again more wisdom. I guess I'm just not ready to let go of this mode of being, which I feel to be so deeply a part of me. I find I simply cannot sit on the mountain and watch. Do wanderers not come here to affect change? How can you simply watch? Does no part of your being call you to fight or find elation in the battle? Do you not want to be a hero? Do you not want to look back on your life and laugh and laugh at the dynamic happenings?

These are questions which I often contemplate.

(11-11-2017, 11:25 AM)MangusKhan Wrote:

(11-11-2017, 10:58 AM)Stranger Wrote: Following up on the original post - it may be useful to remain mindful of which side of the Love/Winlose - Winlose/Love polarity we're playing out at any given time, as we go through our day.  We all know, I think, how Love feels, and how irritating  Winlose/Losewin feels. And if we realize that even Win carries Lose with it, the choice becomes even clearer.

But then catalyst comes up.  People's actions will often pull us strongly towards Winlose/Losewin.  Someone makes an antagonizing move and our ego leaps up to respond in kind, even if only with anger and resentment -- but even if we don't aggress, we're still in the conflict-ridden mind-space.  

Egos are very sensitive to perceived aggression, and don't understand Love.  Egos enjoy getting sucked into conflict and try to gain the upper hand.  Which is also the lower hand, unfortunately (Win/Lose = Lose/Win)  but egos don't get that.  They're part of social animal consciousness, steeped in hierarchy, social status and survival needs.  So if we want to be free, this is where Spirit needs to step in and gently redirect us back toward the path of harmony - even with those who would choose to attempt to suck us into their ego-games.  Especially with them.

Hence, love thy enemies.  Because then, as Laozi apparently realized, you will have no enemies.

Again more wisdom. I guess I'm just not ready to let go of this mode of being, which I feel to be so deeply a part of me. I find I simply cannot sit on the mountain and watch. Do wanderers not come here to affect change? How can you simply watch? Does no part of your being call you to fight or find elation in the battle? Do you not want to be a hero? Do you not want to look back on your life and laugh and laugh at the dynamic happenings?

These are questions which I often contemplate. Jesus fought, he did not sit under a tree drinking vinegar. He never harmed anyone (except that kid he petrified...), but he fought nonetheless. And what of Krishna? The epics describe him counselling Arjuna and urging him towards battle, lest the kingdom fall to wickedness and chaos. "Do thou fight for the sake of fighting". If you can stand up for something, then you should.

What does it mean to follow your deepest path, as Ra alludes to Jesus not doing by accepting martyrdom? I believe it means to become involved and affect change to the greatest extent that you can. If Jesus had accepted the Honour/Duty/Privilege of governing others, as Krishna had done, perhaps this whole world would now be a better place.

(11-11-2017, 12:45 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: This discussion reminds me of why I enjoy Battlefield so much.

I played a close quarters level exclusively for a while.  I found that sometimes in losing the game, I personally won from feeling like I did well.  I'd play Medic and just heal, revive, and play the objective, even if my team lost, I was usually the top score of my team and sometimes even better than the winning team.

Then there's games where I get slaughtered but my team wins, that's a lose/win.

(11-11-2017, 12:45 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: I think Ra's intent in saying to be free with your dark fantasies in mind is that it's better to leave some things to the imagination.

(11-11-2017, 11:58 AM)Stranger Wrote: Mangus, I can only speak for myself; we all need to find our own direction and answers.  I want to be happy.  I want life to feel effortless and joyful.  I am weary of the struggle; it bores and annoys me.

I think this has been the case for many throughout history.  The Buddha wanted to be done with it, and many other teachers.  They are simply offering a way out of being stuck in the endless wash cycle, for those who want it.  I know I want it.  I'm sure it's not for everyone.

Of course I do recognize the grief around me, and want to do my part to alleviate it.  I've found, however, that I am most effective at this - and at everything I attempt, actually - the more I am able to remain in the Love-space and out of the conflict-space.  And today I've understood why - if Win/Lose = Lose/Win, choosing to remain in that game is simply busywork.  Love is what heals, so that's the road I'm choosing to take, against the (very strenuous!) objections of the incomprehending ego, to which it feels like if I'm not winning, then I must be losing.  But I know better.

(11-12-2017, 01:43 AM)Desynched Wrote: My usual question for how to behave in any given context is so when I look back on this as a memory, I will be happy regardless who I experience the memory as.

Quote:win

win/

verb
1.
be successful or victorious in (a contest or conflict).
"the Mets have won four games in a row"
synonyms:
take, be the victor in, be the winner of, come first in, take first prize in, triumph in, be successful in More

2.
acquire or secure as a result of a contest, conflict, bet, or other endeavor.
"there are hundreds of prizes to be won"
synonyms:
secure, gain, garner, collect, pick up, walk away/off with, carry off; More

noun
1.
a successful result in a contest, conflict, bet, or other endeavor; a victory.
"a win against Norway"
synonyms:
victory, triumph, conquest
"a 1–0 win"

Quote:34.12 Questioner: I thought that that was correct, but I wasn’t sure. Can you give me the same type of information that we have been getting here with respect to the unmanifested self interacting between self and gadgets, toys, etc.— inventions?

Ra: I am Ra. In this particular instance we again concentrate for the most part in the orange and in the yellow energy centers. In a negative sense many of the gadgets among your peoples, that is what you call your communication devices and other distractions such as the less competitive games, may be seen to have the distortion of keeping the mind/body/spirit complex unactivated so that yellow- and orange-ray activity is much weakened thus carefully decreasing the possibility of eventual green-ray activation.

Others of your gadgets may be seen to be tools whereby the entity explores the capabilities of its physical or mental complexes and in some few cases, the spiritual complex, thus activating the orange ray in what you call your team sports and in other gadgets such as your modes of transport. These may be seen to be ways of investigating the feelings of power; more especially, power over others or a group power over another group of other-selves.

(11-11-2017, 11:58 AM)Stranger Wrote:

(11-11-2017, 11:25 AM)MangusKhan Wrote: Again more wisdom. I guess I'm just not ready to let go of this mode of being, which I feel to be so deeply a part of me. I find I simply cannot sit on the mountain and watch. Do wanderers not come here to affect change? How can you simply watch? Does no part of your being call you to fight or find elation in the battle? Do you not want to be a hero? Do you not want to look back on your life and laugh and laugh at the dynamic happenings?

These are questions which I often contemplate.

Mangus, I can only speak for myself; we all need to find our own direction and answers.  I want to be happy.  I want life to feel effortless and joyful.  I am weary of the struggle; it bores and annoys me.

I think this has been the case for many throughout history.  The Buddha wanted to be done with it, and many other teachers.  They are simply offering a way out of being stuck in the endless wash cycle, for those who want it.  I know I want it.  I'm sure it's not for everyone.

Of course I do recognize the grief around me, and want to do my part to alleviate it.  I've found, however, that I am most effective at this - and at everything I attempt, actually - the more I am able to remain in the Love-space and out of the conflict-space.  And today I've understood why - if Win/Lose = Lose/Win, choosing to remain in that game is simply busywork.  Love is what heals, so that's the road I'm choosing to take, against the (very strenuous!) objections of the incomprehending ego, to which it feels like if I'm not winning, then I must be losing.  But I know better.

(07-18-2018, 08:35 PM)unity100 Wrote: In a higher format, it would be cooperating to create the result, then sharing the result equally in harmony and joy.