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Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - Cobrien - 03-08-2017
Not in the next years or decades, but incrementally, we will no longer be able or willing to hide things from our other selves.
Right now there is great disharmony between self and interaction with other self. Ra mentions the other of the difficulity on our plane is tendencies towards bellicose actions or violence.
Of course many things are at play. The american and french revolution was a social demand of change.
Today, there are more people then ever. Communal values have a dollar amount these days, but for how long?
I stand to reason production efficiency will increase more and more and technology will remove us from the woes of egorgious plights.
Ra says
"Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.
However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus."
We building the foundation, setting the potentials of a proper configuration as a society in yellow ray by analyzing its movement in relation to the self.
As we go further the feeling of the green ray vibrations will increase. This means one will either regress or polarize. The vast majority regress. Yet by those who have made their choice we shape the future of the planet.
Ultimately nothing will be hidden or desired to be. What a time!
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - AnthroHeart - 03-08-2017
I don't like dishonesty, but I do try to protect those who are dishonest, or at least support them as a person.
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - sjel - 03-09-2017
(03-08-2017, 06:52 PM)Cobrien Wrote: "Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.
However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus."
As we go further the feeling of the green ray vibrations will increase. This means one will either regress or polarize. The vast majority regress. Yet by those who have made their choice we shape the future of the planet.
This makes me feel hopeless. I feel hopeless upon reading this, for I perceive myself to be cemented into an isolated, societally rejecting, governmentally rejecting state. I am isolated and friendless. By my own actions, of course. I profess to be spiritually searching, and here I am, hypocritically rejecting the green ray vibration by having dropped out of college and remaining asocial.
That is my first thought, and while I do not feel it as deeply after having written it out, I have no rebuttal, for it stills feels deeply true for my situation.
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - Cobrien - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 02:53 AM)sjel Wrote:(03-08-2017, 06:52 PM)Cobrien Wrote: "Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.
However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus."
As we go further the feeling of the green ray vibrations will increase. This means one will either regress or polarize. The vast majority regress. Yet by those who have made their choice we shape the future of the planet.
This makes me feel hopeless. I feel hopeless upon reading this, for I perceive myself to be cemented into an isolated, societally rejecting, governmentally rejecting state. I am isolated and friendless. By my own actions, of course. I profess to be spiritually searching, and here I am, hypocritically rejecting the green ray vibration by having dropped out of college and remaining asocial.
That is my first thought, and while I do not feel it as deeply after having written it out, I have no rebuttal, for it stills feels deeply true for my situation.
Well, its not bad. Ra said our orange ray environment is heavily overwoven so its confusing. I understand where your coming from. I became a loner around 8 years old. Although i am very good friends with my parents and relatives, i have few friends otherwise.
The challenge i believe you are going thru is two fold. One is to harmonize with other selves. Two is to love the self so that harmonizing is desired or at the least not fearful.
There is no right or wrong way to live. It is simply preference.
I made this post because there are many people in the new age who reject government and social activities. Yet that is the way to change the situation we are in
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - rva_jeremy - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 12:51 PM)Cobrien Wrote: The challenge i believe you are going thru is two fold. One is to harmonize with other selves. Two is to love the self so that harmonizing is desired or at the least not fearful.
Very, very well said! I really resonate with the points you're making throughout this thread, but especially here. I've tended to believe that yellow ray is about "being extroverted" but I've revised that belief, thinking that it's rather closer to "accepting and being comfortable with the way society sees you". I see the yellow ray body as a kind of avatar for ourselves in the societal reality, and to the extent we feel unfettered as a yellow-ray self, we will be able to train our channeling of the Creator's energy into a vast variety of third density situations. The point is not being popular per se or having lots of friends per se; it's that we have the capacity to radiate in a way that doesn't overextend us beyond a coherent, safe identity.
sjel, you don't have to become an extrovert to pass the harvest! Trust me: I'd give up if that were the case. However, interacting with other-selves gives you a reflection to work with. If it causes pain to do so, use the pain -- reflect on it, balance it, etc. It's hard and scary but you didn't come here for the Lite version
(03-09-2017, 12:51 PM)Cobrien Wrote: I made this post because there are many people in the new age who reject government and social activities. Yet that is the way to change the situation we are in
That is one way, but surely it's not the only way, or?
The point for sjel, IMHO, is not that he can't change the world unless he's a social butterfly, but that for his own balancing he may want to stretch out a bit.
(03-09-2017, 12:51 PM)Cobrien Wrote: Ultimately nothing will be hidden or desired to be. What a time!
Indeed! For example, I think this is why Wikileaks and other whistleblowers are so important. Not simply because of the abuse, corruption, and unchecked power they are exposing, but also because they are helping people understand that nothing really is hidden in the first place. Computer security is not an absolute and the consequence of operating a worldwide network is that information is going to default to freely flowing. Now we just gotta do the balancing so we can catch up to desiring that this trend fully manifest.
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - Cobrien - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 01:44 PM)jeremy6d Wrote:(03-09-2017, 12:51 PM)Cobrien Wrote: The challenge i believe you are going thru is two fold. One is to harmonize with other selves. Two is to love the self so that harmonizing is desired or at the least not fearful.
Very, very well said! I really resonate with the points you're making throughout this thread, but especially here. I've tended to believe that yellow ray is about "being extroverted" but I've revised that belief, thinking that it's rather closer to "accepting and being comfortable with the way society sees you". I see the yellow ray body as a kind of avatar for ourselves in the societal reality, and to the extent we feel unfettered as a yellow-ray self, we will be able to train our channeling of the Creator's energy into a vast variety of third density situations. The point is not being popular per se or having lots of friends per se; it's that we have the capacity to radiate in a way that doesn't overextend us beyond a coherent, safe identity.
sjel, you don't have to become an extrovert to pass the harvest! Trust me: I'd give up if that were the case. However, interacting with other-selves gives you a reflection to work with. If it causes pain to do so, use the pain -- reflect on it, balance it, etc. It's hard and scary but you didn't come here for the Lite version
(03-09-2017, 12:51 PM)Cobrien Wrote: I made this post because there are many people in the new age who reject government and social activities. Yet that is the way to change the situation we are in
That is one way, but surely it's not the only way, or?
The point for sjel, IMHO, is not that he can't change the world unless he's a social butterfly, but that for his own balancing he may want to stretch out a bit.
(03-09-2017, 12:51 PM)Cobrien Wrote: Ultimately nothing will be hidden or desired to be. What a time!
Indeed! For example, I think this is why Wikileaks and other whistleblowers are so important. Not simply because of the abuse, corruption, and unchecked power they are exposing, but also because they are helping people understand that nothing really is hidden in the first place. Computer security is not an absolute and the consequence of operating a worldwide network is that information is going to default to freely flowing. Now we just gotta do the balancing so we can catch up to desiring that this trend fully manifest.
You make a good point. However, that is how it is. Of course to those enjoying higher activation the primary purpose is not the rearrangment of political structures, but dealing with the inner forces that govern it. No, i dont cry conspiracy. Becoming adept is crystalizing the influx of love and light. Radiating that outward, is the most effective way to cause change. The question isto what degree have you crystalized. To those who revert to orange ray, it is a service to provide comfort.
I am a neophyte. Seeking the self is so critical that there is a massive tendency to do so even in those non adept. What the quote doesnt say, is the opposite is also happening. People are taking the yellow ray catalyst and bringing it to green ray. Thus Ra also said green ray activation is ongoing.
So there is already balance in our collective. When i practice magic i ever so slightly tip the scale in the activation direction.
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 03-10-2017
...You know, an honest world would be very very unusual to Humans. Do you wonder if humanity is ready and mature enough to handle 'the honest truth' of 4D reality?
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - Infinite Unity - 03-10-2017
(03-09-2017, 11:42 PM)Cobrien Wrote:(03-09-2017, 01:44 PM)jeremy6d Wrote:(03-09-2017, 12:51 PM)Cobrien Wrote: The challenge i believe you are going thru is two fold. One is to harmonize with other selves. Two is to love the self so that harmonizing is desired or at the least not fearful.
Very, very well said! I really resonate with the points you're making throughout this thread, but especially here. I've tended to believe that yellow ray is about "being extroverted" but I've revised that belief, thinking that it's rather closer to "accepting and being comfortable with the way society sees you". I see the yellow ray body as a kind of avatar for ourselves in the societal reality, and to the extent we feel unfettered as a yellow-ray self, we will be able to train our channeling of the Creator's energy into a vast variety of third density situations. The point is not being popular per se or having lots of friends per se; it's that we have the capacity to radiate in a way that doesn't overextend us beyond a coherent, safe identity.
sjel, you don't have to become an extrovert to pass the harvest! Trust me: I'd give up if that were the case. However, interacting with other-selves gives you a reflection to work with. If it causes pain to do so, use the pain -- reflect on it, balance it, etc. It's hard and scary but you didn't come here for the Lite version
(03-09-2017, 12:51 PM)Cobrien Wrote: I made this post because there are many people in the new age who reject government and social activities. Yet that is the way to change the situation we are in
That is one way, but surely it's not the only way, or?
The point for sjel, IMHO, is not that he can't change the world unless he's a social butterfly, but that for his own balancing he may want to stretch out a bit.
(03-09-2017, 12:51 PM)Cobrien Wrote: Ultimately nothing will be hidden or desired to be. What a time!
Indeed! For example, I think this is why Wikileaks and other whistleblowers are so important. Not simply because of the abuse, corruption, and unchecked power they are exposing, but also because they are helping people understand that nothing really is hidden in the first place. Computer security is not an absolute and the consequence of operating a worldwide network is that information is going to default to freely flowing. Now we just gotta do the balancing so we can catch up to desiring that this trend fully manifest.
You make a good point. However, that is how it is. Of course to those enjoying higher activation the primary purpose is not the rearrangment of political structures, but dealing with the inner forces that govern it. No, i dont cry conspiracy. Becoming adept is crystalizing the influx of love and light. Radiating that outward, is the most effective way to cause change. The question isto what degree have you crystalized. To those who revert to orange ray, it is a service to provide comfort.
I am a neophyte. Seeking the self is so critical that there is a massive tendency to do so even in those non adept. What the quote doesnt say, is the opposite is also happening. People are taking the yellow ray catalyst and bringing it to green ray. Thus Ra also said green ray activation is ongoing.
So there is already balance in our collective. When i practice magic i ever so slightly tip the scale in the activation direction.
You said it. The rearrangement of societal structures, will do nothing to alleviate the problem. Third density is all about realising love, and just how inadequate societal constructs really are. Your suppose to come into the alignment of "something is off here..." In third density. The embrace of unconditional love is to be far more wanted than any societal construct rearrangement.
And if you can't smell the bread burning here...well damn..I don't know.
Nah that was a joke=) I love you. Haha
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - Infinite Unity - 03-10-2017
(03-10-2017, 06:08 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: ...You know, an honest world would be very very unusual to Humans. Do you wonder if humanity is ready and mature enough to handle 'the honest truth' of 4D reality?
That' question has a myriad of answers. Many humans are, many aren't. Some are on the threshold. Its an up in the air kinda thing. I do believe there are effects being implemented to separate chaff from wheat.
Can you imagine how self correcting a world like that is? Ive honeslty been sensative to others my whole life. You can't turn someone away nor take when thy need when you know how they honestly feel. Or at least I can't.
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 03-10-2017
I see it as potentially destructive.
Suddenly sexism, racism, all prejudice and judgmental feelings are known. In a place of bellicose tendencies, how do you think that'll end?
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - Infinite Unity - 03-10-2017
(03-10-2017, 07:11 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: I see it as potentially destructive.
Suddenly sexism, racism, all prejudice and judgmental feelings are known. In a place of bellicose tendencies, how do you think that'll end?
I honestly don't know. It comes down to each and everyone's own choice/choices. I understand how you feel, and see were your coming from. I honestly believe that's why things are revealed as we are ready for them. To me is one of the core traits of all this. Valid point in my opinion though.
Also it is of my opinion you step over the threshold into 4d of your own choice/ability. So in my personal opinion, not everyone will be encountering this mental effect. Its not that there not special or loved. It is they are not ready for the fullness of light/life.
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - rva_jeremy - 03-10-2017
(03-10-2017, 06:08 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: ...You know, an honest world would be very very unusual to Humans. Do you wonder if humanity is ready and mature enough to handle 'the honest truth' of 4D reality?
Absolutely! Whatever else you might say about the therapeutic nature of modern culture, our society recognizes that problems exist and that many are created and/or exacerbated by marginalization, stigma, and silencing. I think most people know we can't sweep our social and cultural problems under the rug anymore. I don't think there's really any deep issues that one is prohibited from discussing these days.
The problem as I see it is that we haven't reached the point of folks taking personal responsibility for the way their behavior creates or reinforces the wider systemic anomaly--because they still think their identity as individuals is completely separate from the whole. We still want to address things like feminism or environmentalism through movements that call upon inherently conservative authorities to change. This is a way of continuing to place the onus on constituted, centralized authorities that have led us to here in the first place.
So people still want to hide in the anonymous crowd, but they're finding ways of bending the traditional concepts of identity that allow for more spontaneous, swarm-like patterns of organization to emerge. We're still early in the networked phase of the information age. As time goes on and the privacy battle deepens, I think people will see that they actually have much more to gain by being open (that doesn't mean surveillance or spying of any kind is acceptable; part of becoming more open entails being able to address problems that were formerly seen as us-vs-them before, the kinds that require things like mass surveillance to protect against). They'll also see, I believe, that their part in the whole is more important than they've ever realized, and that everybody else's role is equally crucial, and we all have more to gain through trust than defense.
We need to take the next step towards social memory and start networking on a entity-to-entity basis in spontaneous swarms of action that can't possibly be centrally coordinated. The internet has shown that it's possible and powerful, but it's unwieldy without individuals taking more responsibility for their conduct and how they participate. That's the big leap that I feel we are in the process of making. My prediction is you're going to see a great deal of political and social chaos that will impress upon individuals just how much responsibility they must take to pull our civilization out of its tailspin. So it's going to suck, but it will teach us about those competencies we are honing for higher-density experiences. Just my 2 cents.
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - rva_jeremy - 03-10-2017
(03-10-2017, 07:11 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: I see it as potentially destructive.
Suddenly sexism, racism, all prejudice and judgmental feelings are known. In a place of bellicose tendencies, how do you think that'll end?
Yes, but here's the thing: those feelings come from honest places. And those places will be known too. The issue is the asymmetry between our psychic structure of thinking, our past experiences and catalyst that we have learned lessons from, and the way we outwardly channel that thinking. Because we have to use language to express ourselves, we have a culture of crude labels and ideologies and camps that forces us to choose sides, none of which are really "us". When our full selves are known, we will gladly forgive each other if for no other reason than the burden of our own secrets and vulnerability will be laid aside, and we'll be too happy to care about holding grudges! At least I hope so.
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - Cobrien - 03-10-2017
Ra did say compassion is the salvation of third density.
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - AnthroHeart - 03-10-2017
(03-10-2017, 08:59 PM)Cobrien Wrote: Ra did say compassion is the salvation of third density.
This is a paradigm shifting realization to me. Thank you.
Compassion feels different than love.
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - rva_jeremy - 03-11-2017
(03-10-2017, 06:56 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote: You said it. The rearrangement of societal structures, will do nothing to alleviate the problem. Third density is all about realising love, and just how inadequate societal constructs really are. Your suppose to come into the alignment of "something is off here..." In third density. The embrace of unconditional love is to be far more wanted than any societal construct rearrangement.
THIS. The point is not that activism and reform are therefore irrelevant; it's that activism and reform without the change in thinking just keeps reproducing the same problems. Only by appealing to a different part of our experience, one not so separate, are the consequent actions going to actually help inculcate something new and revolutionary. Not because we've "figured out how to do activism", but because the activism and reform emerge from a truly creative and unifying place. Reform follows the change in thinking, not vice versa, and as we each change our thinking more and more of this change that we don't plan but rather love into existence becomes possible.
I think this Eisenstein quote from The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible really puts it poignantly:
Quote:The same interbeingness that makes us so immensely vulnerable also makes us immensely powerful. Remember this! Indeed, the vulnerability and the power go hand in hand, because only by relaxing the guard of the separate self can we tap into power beyond its ken. Only then can we accomplish things that are, to the separate self, impossible. Put another way, we become capable of things that we don’t know how to “make” happen.
I love that! "We become capable of things we don't know how to make happen." Cobrien et al, I highly recommend this book to you!
RE: Upcoming social dlimena, true sharing - Cobrien - 03-11-2017
(03-11-2017, 09:59 AM)jeremy6d Wrote:(03-10-2017, 06:56 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote: You said it. The rearrangement of societal structures, will do nothing to alleviate the problem. Third density is all about realising love, and just how inadequate societal constructs really are. Your suppose to come into the alignment of "something is off here..." In third density. The embrace of unconditional love is to be far more wanted than any societal construct rearrangement.
THIS. The point is not that activism and reform are therefore irrelevant; it's that activism and reform without the change in thinking just keeps reproducing the same problems. Only by appealing to a different part of our experience, one not so separate, are the consequent actions going to actually help inculcate something new and revolutionary. Not because we've "figured out how to do activism", but because the activism and reform emerge from a truly creative and unifying place. Reform follows the change in thinking, not vice versa, and as we each change our thinking more and more of this change that we don't plan but rather love into existence becomes possible.
I think this Eisenstein quote from The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know Is Possible really puts it poignantly:
Quote:The same interbeingness that makes us so immensely vulnerable also makes us immensely powerful. Remember this! Indeed, the vulnerability and the power go hand in hand, because only by relaxing the guard of the separate self can we tap into power beyond its ken. Only then can we accomplish things that are, to the separate self, impossible. Put another way, we become capable of things that we don’t know how to “make” happen.
I love that! "We become capable of things we don't know how to make happen." Cobrien et al, I highly recommend this book to you!
I somewhat disagree with you. Within the collective everyone operates at a different gradient. "As above, so below". The capability of the least of us is the limiting factor in a call as free will must be preserved. Therefore change will happen thru social activities and government. The intensity or motivating factor has elements in every ray. Agreed, the totality of experience is far greater. However actionable change is incremental. The inertia of how we got here is not likely to be subject to spontaneous reogranization. Thinking is tangible and becoming more so. As the illusion becomes denser there is greater catalyst for change. The crux of the issue is how does one frame change. Self, creator, other self, war or rumors of war.
Its interesting to me how transparency will take hold in the opposite order as wedive from our most eccenric collective distortions to the least