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Karma - Cainite - 02-15-2017
Is karma only a tool (or teacher) for positive people?
When a child horribly suffers or dies for no apparent reason, is that karma doing its job? how's that teaching? it's more like vengeance.
Does karma teach negative people as well?
RE: Karma - AnthroHeart - 02-15-2017
I think a child dies horribly in an accident because that was part of their life plan that they and their guides designed before they came into this life. I don't think that's karma.
I think negative people use negative karma to their advantage. Our hell would be their heaven.
RE: Karma - Cainite - 02-15-2017
(02-15-2017, 03:38 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I think a child dies horribly in an accident because that was part of their life plan that they and their guides designed before they came into this life. I don't think that's karma.
I think negative people use negative karma to their advantage. Our hell would be their heaven.
Why would that be a life plan? how's that helping anything?
And what is negative karma?
RE: Karma - APeacefulWarrior - 02-15-2017
Also, keep in mind that the world (possibly the entire cosmos) runs on probabilities, not certainties. Sometimes, as the saying goes, sh*t just happens and there really isn't a grand plan behind it. Well, besides the knowledge that all life is impermanent, and even the most unpleasant event while incarnated merely becomes a learning experience.
RE: Karma - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-15-2017
(02-15-2017, 03:41 PM)Cainite Wrote:(02-15-2017, 03:38 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I think a child dies horribly in an accident because that was part of their life plan that they and their guides designed before they came into this life. I don't think that's karma.
I think negative people use negative karma to their advantage. Our hell would be their heaven.
Why would that be a life plan? how's that helping anything?
And what is negative karma?
The books by Michael Newton, such as Journey of Souls, or Destiny of Souls, describe a few examples of souls reincarnating into a life that they are aware of will come to an end early on. They take on this role as a form of catalyst to the parents was one example given, in that the parents needed the karma of a child being born then dying early to them, and another soul is willing to take up the role of the child.
Then there's as apw said, probabilities. Sometimes there's the chance that the 3D world will knock a soul out of an incarnation. Michael Newton's work recalled one such instance of a soul who was killed in an accident before their planned time of death. They were extremely unhappy with it, but had to accept it all the same.
So, when a child is born, and dies soon after. There's some purpose and reasoning behind it, that to very many will look like a cruelty of an apathetic indifferent universe. I know I see it that way still despite the above knowledge, and yet we are given some insight from others like Michael Newton and his works as to why this might happen, and why it doesn't mean the universe is apathetic and indifferent, but closer to methodical.
RE: Karma - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-15-2017
I understand karma to be a tool, perhaps as a sort of enforcer of lessons in that it brings the catalyst of lessons we failed prior back again and again until we get them right.
It's sort of poetic. You have as many times as your life can manifest to learn a lesson, and if you don't learn it, you have an entirely new life to do so. There's no judgment, it's almost like an eternal loving patience for a student or child.
RE: Karma - Cainite - 02-16-2017
(02-15-2017, 04:51 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote:(02-15-2017, 03:41 PM)Cainite Wrote:(02-15-2017, 03:38 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I think a child dies horribly in an accident because that was part of their life plan that they and their guides designed before they came into this life. I don't think that's karma.
I think negative people use negative karma to their advantage. Our hell would be their heaven.
Why would that be a life plan? how's that helping anything?
And what is negative karma?
The books by Michael Newton, such as Journey of Souls, or Destiny of Souls, describe a few examples of souls reincarnating into a life that they are aware of will come to an end early on. They take on this role as a form of catalyst to the parents was one example given, in that the parents needed the karma of a child being born then dying early to them, and another soul is willing to take up the role of the child.
Then there's as apw said, probabilities. Sometimes there's the chance that the 3D world will knock a soul out of an incarnation. Michael Newton's work recalled one such instance of a soul who was killed in an accident before their planned time of death. They were extremely unhappy with it, but had to accept it all the same.
So, when a child is born, and dies soon after. There's some purpose and reasoning behind it, that to very many will look like a cruelty of an apathetic indifferent universe. I know I see it that way still despite the above knowledge, and yet we are given some insight from others like Michael Newton and his works as to why this might happen, and why it doesn't mean the universe is apathetic and indifferent, but closer to methodical.
I never thought about it that way.. thank you.
My best friend (former gf) who is indeed a wanderer and the purest soul I know asks me what might be the reason for her illnesses (epilepsy and MS) and the intense pain in her left eye caused by MS... and when she asks me about it, I always fail to come up with a respond relating to karma and the lessons she has to learn.
RE: Karma - Agua del Cielo - 02-17-2017
I think Karma is not necessarily involved in the child example.
For me, Karma is more of choosing or entering a subject/topic for the purpose of learning.
you will ne dealing with this "topic" until you learned everything involved.
There is no punishment involved, but a Soul eager to learn, and it will repeat the lessons as many times als it takes to complete.
in the learning process one might (!) switch positions (the murderer experiencing being murdered) but not necessarily. it's more about the underlying lesson and not what it looks like on the surface.
The example with the child involves a human perspective that isnt the souls perspective.
Even more souls choose to die soon after birth. The reasons ate probably many.
two come to my mind:
During pregnacy while still in the womb, there is a unity in flesh AND consciousness, we normally dont remember this, but this probably the closest to experiencing unity WHILE incarnated.
(given there is a good Connection between other and baby).
So i guess, many souls, who do not Need a 3D human experience anymore, choose the luxury to experience this unity, but spare themselves all the trouble following after birth.
on another level:
i know a Woman whole son died one month after birth.
This lead to her spiritual awakening which otherwise wouldnt have happened.
and is still an ongoing source of profound learning and healing for her.
i think this is also a loving service to the people around!
RE: Karma - anagogy - 02-17-2017
Karma is basically: the natural impetus of the One revealing itself. So if your actions in life reduced your awareness of a certain aspect of unity, karma is the force that shows you the other side of it. It is like water seeking its level. It is the manifestation of experience that is necessary for distortions to unravel. So as an example, if you hurt another soul, you might experience the same hurt in another life, not out of punishment, but rather so that you are made aware of the impact you had on that other self that is also you. It is the symbolic reflection of, "what you do to others, you do to yourself". It is just oneness peeking out from behind the curtain.
Any consciousness, below 7th density, is in the process of unraveling distortions. So every being has lots of karma (spiritual lessons) to work through. I suppose its not completely accurate to call it 'work', as its what life is all about, so it might be better to think of it in terms of the natural creative process of the creator knowing itself.
As your vibration increases, and your consciousness becomes magnetized to other densities, the karma lessons become softer, because you are closer, consciously, to unity, so the karma that does occur happens much faster, and is more evenly distributed. The lessons are more transparent in other-words. More harmonious.
RE: Karma - Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-19-2017
(02-16-2017, 12:40 AM)Cainite Wrote: My best friend (former gf) who is indeed a wanderer and the purest soul I know asks me what might be the reason for her illnesses (epilepsy and MS) and the intense pain in her left eye caused by MS... and when she asks me about it, I always fail to come up with a respond relating to karma and the lessons she has to learn.
I can understand wanting to give someone like that answers. I stress that I don't know, and am purely speculating, but it could be anything from learning how to handle pain and still be loving as a normal soul lesson, or can be akin to a 'limitation' that she is undertaking to help learn as a soul a different way to be...
Or she could just have them as severe distortions of being a Wanderer, though MS is pretty severe so I think it might be leaning more towards a lesson of planning how to handle pain.
But there are just speculations, I wouldn't share them with her, but rather I think I'll just recommend you getting the book Journey of Souls, and the one after it, Destiny of Souls, as they might help provide some way of providing some push to make her contemplate on her own why she has such illnesses and how she might learn to better love and forgive herself, and others in turn.
I admire your want to be of service to her, I feel a bit infringing suggesting these, but I think you'll know how to go about trying to help her.