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Far seeing, Envisioning. - Matt1 - 12-20-2016
Quote:85.19 Questioner: I would like to carry that on to find out what specific functions of the mind were most effectual and the three or four most effective changes brought about to create the polarization.
Ra: I am Ra. This is an interesting query. The primary veiling was of such significance that it may be seen to be analogous to the mantling of the Earth over all the jewels within the Earth’s crust; whereas previously all facets of the Creator were consciously known. After the veiling, almost no facets of the Creator were known to the mind. Almost all was buried beneath the veil.
If one were to attempt to list those functions of mind most significant in that they might be of aid in polarization, one would need to begin with the faculty of visioning, envisioning, or far-seeing. Without the veil the mind was not caught in your illusory time. With the veil space/time is the only obvious possibility for experience.
Also upon the list of significant veiled functions of the mind would be that of dreaming. The so-called dreaming contains a great deal which, if made available to the conscious mind and used, shall aid it in polarization to a great extent.
The third function of the mind which is significant and which has been veiled is that of the knowing of the body. The knowledge of and control over the body, having been lost to a great extent in the veiling process, is thusly lost from the experience of the seeker. Its knowledge before the veiling is of small use. Its knowledge after the veiling, and in the face of what is now a dense illusion of separation of body complex from mind complex, is quite significant.
Perhaps the most important and significant function that occurred due to the veiling of the mind from itself is not in itself a function of mind but rather is a product of the potential created by this veiling. This is the faculty of will or pure desire.
We may ask for brief queries at this time. Although there is energy remaining for this working, we are reluctant to continue this contact, experiencing continual variations due to pain flares, as you call this distortion. Although we are unaware of any misgiven material we are aware that there have been several points during which our channel was less than optimal. This instrument is most faithful but we do not wish to misuse this instrument. Please query as you will.
What is far seeing? I assume remote viewing/astral projection?
RE: Far seeing, Envisioning. - anagogy - 12-20-2016
(12-20-2016, 03:01 PM)Matt1 Wrote: What is far seeing? I assume remote viewing/astral projection?
Ra goes into more detail in a later session.
Quote:86.6 Questioner: In the last session you had mentioned the properties precipitating from the veiling of the mind; the first being visioning, envisioning, or far-seeing. Would you explain the meaning of that?
Ra: I am Ra. Your language is not overstrewn with non-emotional terms for the functional qualities of what is now termed the unconscious mind. The nature of mind is something which we have requested that you ponder. However, it is, shall we say, clear enough to the casual observer that we may share some thoughts with you without infringing upon your free learn/teaching experiences.
The nature of the unconscious is of the nature of concept rather than word. Consequently, before the veiling the use of the deeper mind was that of the use of unspoken concept. You may consider the emotive and connotative aspects of a melody. One could call out, in some stylized fashion, the terms for the notes of the melody. One could say, “a quarter note A, a quarter note A, a quarter note A, whole note F.” This bears little resemblance to the beginning of the melody of one of your composers’ most influential melodies, that known to you as a symbol of victory.
This is the nature of the deeper mind. There are only stylized methods with which to discuss its functions. Thusly our descriptions of this portion of the mind, as well as the same portions of body and spirit, were given terms such as “far-seeing,” indicating that the nature of penetration of the veiled portion of the mind may be likened unto the journey too rich and exotic to contemplate adequate describing thereof.
In plain speak, it generally refers to the concept that the deeper mind sees an image or perspective of reality that is much closer to how it actually is (i.e. truth), as opposed to how reality has been abstracted to appear as in the physical, and seemingly non-integrated, level of perception.
RE: Far seeing, Envisioning. - AnthroHeart - 12-20-2016
And we can't consciously see how it actually is (truth) because it would drive us insane, right? That's the jist of what I get.
RE: Far seeing, Envisioning. - anagogy - 12-20-2016
(12-20-2016, 03:10 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: And we can't consciously see how it actually is (truth) because it would drive us insane, right? That's the jist of what I get.
I don't know about "insane", but the veil simply energizes, or "vivifies", the illusion of separation. It makes catalyst harsher, and more significant (more "real"). We take it seriously, because we can't consciously see (and thus do not really emphatically believe) that we are in a sort of unreal simulation of separation, as opposed to "actual separation", which is not possible in True Reality. Perception is always a kind of translation. You see something WITH something (a sensory apparatus). Only in the realm of perception can the experience of separation be had, because our default state is oneness with everything (no perception, or translation of data, required). So the veil just kind of locks, to a significant degree, our perception on the abstract picture of truth we are looking at.
RE: Far seeing, Envisioning. - AnthroHeart - 12-20-2016
Does no perception mean no experience?
RE: Far seeing, Envisioning. - anagogy - 12-20-2016
(12-20-2016, 03:33 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Does no perception mean no experience?
I suppose it depends how you define these words. Experience usually refers to a kind of knowledge of events that occur outside of you, or inside of you, and occur in relation to you, or happening to you, which is then stored as memories of this inner/outer sensory perception.
When perception is transcended, there is no looking "out there" or even "in there" for knowledge, there is just Being. It is like the difference between the snake looking at its tail (outer perception), or it analyzing its inner self concept (inner perception), and it just Being what it is, without a need to define it, or qualify it in some way. I wouldn't personally call that "knowledge". So we could perhaps describe it as direct awareness beyond knowledge, if that makes any sense. As Ra has said, memory is transcended at the seventh level. That isn't to say all memory or knowledge isn't available at that level, just that it comprises a lower order of reality that is encompassed or eclipsed by a higher order (and probably far more blissful) level of reality.
RE: Far seeing, Envisioning. - Matt1 - 12-20-2016
The unconsciousness sounds like some type of psychedelic trip
RE: Far seeing, Envisioning. - Verum Occultum - 12-20-2016
I haven't read everything you/Ra wrote, but I will say these words before I forget them. I believe I know precisely what is meant by far-seeing.
My understanding is that each thought is its own complex. A thought is like a core of data whose surroundings consists of other thoughts. The core is connected to its surrounding material through associations. For the sake of this idea, you may call these associative thoughts "lesser thoughts" in relation to the original core thought, because what makes them lesser is how intense the associative connection is to the core thought. Each thought can be treated as an individual core. You can learn to follow thoughts through association, and the cores will organize themselves according to your energetic input. Thoughts do form pathways or rivers, if you will. Thoughts are their own environments. My hypothesis/suggestion is that the events of our lives are like these cores. Let me give an example of associative thoughts:
Suppose I think of winter. What comes to mind?
Winter --> snowflake --> Christmas --> Santa clause --> presents & gifts --> gratefulness --> experiences to be grateful for --> friends --> certain great experiences with friends --> perhaps I think about a sentimental object or environment that was present with those friends --> this leads me to think that maybe I should contact or arrange a meeting with my friends --> I will remind my friends of those experiences and as they re-awaken the glorious emotions of those events, this will only lead us to think and act on new exciting experiences and adventures.
Now you may see that a snowflake has little to do with my friends, but you can see that somehow they were connected. On some level of the mind, all possibilities are open and seen, (in the deeper true-colors rather [meta]visually). Remember that thoughts will form particular pathways according to the tendencies of focus of a given entity or mind/body/spirit complex. Remember that I could have followed an infinite variety of paths from the idea of winter. Each thought complex contains an infinite amount of nuances of melody.
This associative thought process would have happened with great intensity and focus in such a way that a thought "sequence" could carry more information than a basic thought in the conscious mind. That means one could think far more in less time. I know this from experience in deeper states of consciousness. My understanding is also that in third-density, it is far more challenging to be aware of and choose one's thoughts, and change the intensity of focus/attention placed upon them. Perhaps it could be said that this far-seeing was one major reason why pre-veil societies were very innovative. Their deep mind was the conscious mind, and they could "see" more and focus on a thought complex with more intensity. It can also be recognized that the envisioning and far-seeing is an attribute of the multidimensionality of the mind.
I think that a few of Seth's words can help you to see what I mean when I say that each thought is a complex:
Quote:...Remember, these mental associations are living things. They are formations
of energy assembled into invisible structures, through processes
quite as valid and complicated as the organization of any group of cells.
Comparing them with cells, they are of briefer duration, generally speaking,
though under certain conditions this does not apply. But your
thoughts form structures as real as the cells. Their composition is different
in that no solidity is involved in your terms.
As living cells have a structure, react to stimuli and organize according
to their own classification, so do thoughts. Thoughts thrive on association.
They magnetically attract others like themselves, and like some
strange microscopic animals they repel their "enemies," or other
thoughts that are threatening to their own survival.
If someone asked me to describe thoughts with just one sentence, I would probably say this: "Thoughts are emotional webs of deep purposes whose magic guides the thinker into new dimensions of Life."