Jade Wrote:But I think it invokes the Law of Responsibility, being that you are using this highly advanced tool, that you must be dedicated to integrate/utilize what you learn.

Jade Wrote:I'd probably enjoy an ayahuasca ceremony as well, but in that case it's really the trip to Peru that makes my heart sing louder.

Nicholas Wrote:it sounds to me like syncing up with intelligent energy

(05-05-2016, 03:36 PM)YinYang Wrote: Yes, I watched the Graham Hancock talk, and I also sometimes listen to podcasts where Hamilton Souther is interviewed (owner of Blue Morpho retreat in the Peruvian Amazon), who is featured in the National Geographic article I mentioned in my original post. He has some interesting stories to tell, after having drunk the brew more than a 1000 times. During some of their ceremonies, actual thought-forms have sometimes manifested, where the head curandero had to make it disappear again.

Nicholas Wrote:it sounds to me like syncing up with intelligent energy

Or intelligent infinity... who knows? I remember Don once had a meditation experience (was it during meditation?), where he said the colours he saw there made our world look like black and white, and that's something you often hear from people who have taken Ayahuasca, and then I must admit it sounds a LOT like 4th density... everyone can read each other's minds, music can be seen...

Nicholas Wrote:I recall Dons experience to having his arm glow blue, and Ra attributed that as being an inniatory message from his higher self. Nothing to do with ayahuasca, I recall.

Nicholas Wrote:I very much agree that it is a 4th density curtain ripper though! I have taken LSD and psilocybin mushrooms a plenty (don't ask!). So my DMT chenanigens might be relatable, somewhat.

Quote:Carla: Don had several experiences of altered consciousness that were permanently etched into his mind. The initiation he spoke of here was received in 1968, while we were in meditation together. He suddenly found himself in a world where the colors were living. He said these colors made our earthly hues look like black and white photos. They were three-dimensional. He saw living waters, and a golden sunrise streaming over the sky. He could open his eyes and he was in his chair, then close them again and see the other world. This state lasted about half an hour. The other event that is notable, to me, was a night he was meditating and found his arm moving rapidly up and down from elbow to fingers as his arm rested upon the chair arm. A blue light began to emanate from his lower arm, and he was forever grateful that he had company who saw his arm turning blue and glowing. Later transmissions indicated that the UFO entities were winding his battery!

(05-07-2016, 07:01 AM)YinYang Wrote: Found it! Book 5!

Quote:Carla: Don had several experiences of altered consciousness that were permanently etched into his mind. The initiation he spoke of here was received in 1968, while we were in meditation together. He suddenly found himself in a world where the colors were living. He said these colors made our earthly hues look like black and white photos. They were three-dimensional. He saw living waters, and a golden sunrise streaming over the sky. He could open his eyes and he was in his chair, then close them again and see the other world. This state lasted about half an hour. The other event that is notable, to me, was a night he was meditating and found his arm moving rapidly up and down from elbow to fingers as his arm rested upon the chair arm. A blue light began to emanate from his lower arm, and he was forever grateful that he had company who saw his arm turning blue and glowing. Later transmissions indicated that the UFO entities were winding his battery!

Quote:44.12 Questioner: In meditation a number of years ago my arm started to glow, moving rapidly involuntarily. What was that?

Ra: I am Ra. The phenomenon was an analogy made available to you from your higher self. The analogy was that the being that you were was living in a way not understood by, shall we say, physicists, scientists, or doctors.

BlatzAdict Wrote:i can't imagine ayahuasca to feel any different than any other psychadelic

BlatzAdict Wrote:i think it's important to be able to consider each chakra and make sure each one is well address before trying to do anything that is related to this.

Quote:Frequently the question of diet in relation to meditation is raised. Is there any special diet which, if followed, will enhance one's spiritual capacity? Are certain foods to be avoided by the aspirant on the spiritual path? Should one refrain from the eating of meat? At every stage of our unfoldment we are tempted to believe that something we do or think in the human realm will help us in the development of our spiritual awareness. This is a false assumption. On the contrary, it is the development of our spiritual awareness that changes our everyday habits and mode of living. As the aspirant progresses along the spiritual path, he may find himself eating less and less meat and, ultimately, may reach the point of being unable to eat any meat at all. Let us not, however, believe that there is virtue in some act of omission or commission, that some form of material sacrifice will increase our spirituality. Spirituality is developed through the reading of spiritual literature, the hearing of spiritual wisdom, the association with those on the spiritual path, and through the practice of meditation. The kingdom of God is found by inner realization. The outer transformation in one's dietary habits is a direct result of an inner spiritual grace; it is a result of the spiritualizing process taking place in consciousness. Abstaining from the eating of meat is not a means of developing inner spiritual grace; but the development of inner spiritual grace leads to the renunciation of such things on the outer plane.

(05-07-2016, 03:44 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: also don't do it on an empty stomach in case it lasts a while.

Quote:But for those suffering emotional and spiritual issues, la purga is equally effective. Normally, it's recommended that a person drinking ayahuasca fast for at least several hours and often for a full day before drinking. That ensures an empty stomach. But it won't diminish the purging effects.

The difference in the purge on an empty stomach, however, is that instead of vomiting lunch, the participant will have a chance to vomit some of the bile of their lives, things they carry around which clutter up their mental and spiritual arenas uselessly. Most of us don't even realise what we are carrying.

Quote:Ayahuasca's spirit reaches down into the depths of your soul and roots around for those things, then brings them to the surface - in the frightening moments of ego-dissolution - in a wretched reliving of them. It's not like vomiting at all: It's as if great chunks of physical matter are explosively hurled from the bottom of your bowels - the vomiting often sounds like a waterfall in reverse, the water rushing up the rocks and violently cascading from your mouth. My guests swear they vomited heaps; in truth they rarely vomit more than a few ounces of ayahuasca they drank as they have nothing physical in their stomachs to eliminate.

(05-07-2016, 04:32 PM)YinYang Wrote:

BlatzAdict Wrote:i can't imagine ayahuasca to feel any different than any other psychadelic

Actually there's a very big difference, Ayahuasca is the strongest hallucinogenic known to man.

IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:It's like the 5 hour ayahuasca session compressed into 5-8 minutes.

(05-07-2016, 05:13 PM)YinYang Wrote:

IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:It's like the 5 hour ayahuasca session compressed into 5-8 minutes.

Have you taken ayahuasca in a ceremony, IndigoGeminiWolf?

(05-07-2016, 05:41 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: The pharmahuasca  made everything look beautiful, but I didn't learn anything spiritual from it. It just made me hallucinate. The DMT took me away like I was no longer in the room.

(05-08-2016, 03:26 PM)YinYang Wrote: Thanks IndigoGeminiWolf, but the only DMT I am interested in, is the natural variety that nature gives us.

(05-08-2016, 03:54 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I tend to see all things as thought forms, so the things from nature are designs of multiple origins, just as human creations also are.

You can find things in nature that can kill you quite quickly, just as things that can heal you.

(05-08-2016, 06:52 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Let us take the two examples and look at them through the lens of the Transformation of the Mind. (please excuse my dead horse)

Gemini took DMT that was extracted to be smoked in its purest form. He also took other pharmaceutical drugs to "maximize" the length of time of the experience. The other option is seeking a shaman who has spent most of his life learning the forest and becoming a friend and companion to all of its lifeforms, and asking to partake in a ritual experience with the plant. (Or you can be your own shaman) The first action seems more about trying to maximize the experience in a fun way, plus Gem said he did it many times over the course of a short period of time. He wanted the most "bang for his buck". This action is more on the scale of plundering a prostitute - and the rewards are that which is "rough, prostituted, and without great virtue". Where as doing research for a shaman (or becoming the shaman), saving up money for the trip, and setting your intentions for a serious spiritual life lesson are more along the lines of how you would gently court the maiden - the plant being your maiden. Are you going to take its plundered fruits or are you going to cultivate a relationship with her before you even begin to ask for anything?

I see this as the same, in a way, for natural vs. synthetic. If we take a look at the earth and nature, absolutely everything we could possibly need is provided by her - for instance, we can get DMT from the ayahuasca. But that's not enough. We want a quicker fix. So we try to contort nature to do things for our benefit, instead of cultivating patience to wait for her to provide for us what we need. It's a subtle thing but I think it's important to take into consideration. There's a reason why the ritual to extract the DMT is so intense and profound, to synthesize that step in a lab cheapens it IMO. This is the case with most things.