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Soul and Humanity, Personality Formulation?? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 11-23-2015
I've been...Thinking.
Lol, not again.
So I understand Souls have Personalities. I understand Humans have Personalities (or some do
)Regarding incarnation, I comprehend the Body the Soul inhabits has its own Bias or 'Will' or Desires.
How much of those match the Soul Personality? Or is derived by the Soul Persona?
Is my Personality a mix of Human Body and Soul Personalities within my Complex?
How much of me is my actual Soul Persona? How much of me is my Bodily Persona?
I imagine its a Mix literally anywhere on a spectrum of 0-100. But if anyone knows anything specific or noteworthy please share.
I didn't...I don't...Differentiate myself between Human and Soul, but rather as both, with one aspect having certain properties like the other in a sense generically. For instance, I'm naturally Loving and Empathic, is that Body or Soul? I imagine the Mind is a mixture caused by the Bodily bias feedback and the Soul Mind Personality. Or possibly a mixture of Matrix and Potentiator for Mind fed by the Matrix of Body and Potential of Spirit?
How does our full personalities turn out to be?
Literally asking because I'm trying to unify the concept of Finite Human and Infinite Soul melding into One being (we are 'complex')...Any ideas?
RE: Soul and Humanity, Personality Formulation?? - Karl - 11-23-2015
I sort of view the soul as possessing all possibilities/personalities, while the finite human personality is the currently active/manifest portion of the whole.
RE: Soul and Humanity, Personality Formulation?? - anagogy - 11-23-2015
(11-23-2015, 07:01 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Literally asking because I'm trying to unify the concept of Finite Human and Infinite Soul melding into One being (we are 'complex')...Any ideas?
My understanding is each density has different soul types. Or, we could just more clearly call them "consciousness types". So you have the 3rd density consciousness (you), the 2nd density consciousness (the cellular or genetic instinctual intelligence of the chemical body) and 1st density consciousness (elemental consciousness of the matter of your chemical body).
The second density consciousness, and 1st density consciousness have group consciousness and do not have individual personalities (this is not to say they don't have dispositions, they just aren't organized like 3rd density egoic driven self).
As a 3rd density being, your personality is an equal melding of all those components, however, my understanding is you have to incarnate in a body that at least, matches your vibrational patterns in potential. Otherwise, the merging will not go well. You can't incarnate in a body that is too dissimilar from your "soul matrix", because it is like trying to shove a square peg in a round hole. Similar to putting on clothes, the clothes have to "fit" the shape of you.
From a "you are always manifesting the reality about you" standpoint, the body that is attracted to your consciousness is simply a reflection of at least some facets of your spiritual personality. But keep in mind, your soul has many many facets to it, and it isn't necessarily reflecting every facet in every incarnation. There is a symbiotic relationship between the 3rd density consciousness and its lower density counterparts. The lower density constituents get their evolution accelerated, and the 3rd density consciousness gets exposure to the courser vibrations of the lower plane components which provides learning catalyst which accelerates its evolution as well.
I'm not saying that there can't be some measure of juxtaposition between 3rd density mind and the bodily consciousness. And in fact, there usually is, because the difficulty of harmonizing the two can provide valuable growth opportunities for the incarnating spirit.
And I would say that all consciousness is infinite (regardless of density) , it is only the material projection/reflection that is finite.
RE: Soul and Humanity, Personality Formulation?? - Aion - 11-23-2015
Mind, body and spirit are One thing, unified as the 'Totality'. Hence Ra using mind/body/spirit and mind/body/spirit complex. Imagine the mind is the base of the pyramid and the spirit is the top with the body 'bridging' them. The space through which the top and bottom communicate.
It is the Totality which contains all information pertaining to the self. The mind/body/spirit is the 'focus' of that Totality, so it is the manifestation of the self as a Logos focusing on potentials within intelligent infinity. It is the 'activated' or kinetic self. The Totality is all that you are as an individualized being. The mind/body/spirit is the instrument of the Totality which brings us to the second point on the circle, the 'Higher Self'.
This is an image or accumulation of all of the experience gained through the mind/body/spirit complex. This is a capture of all of the information the Totality has thus far activated or made kinetic through the mind/body/spirit since the individuation of the individual Logos from the Creator. The purpose of the mind/body/spirit is to develop the image of the 'Higher Self' which the Totality then uses for the programming of catalyst by which further exploration and activation of the potentials of the self is done. Thus, it is all a big feedback loop which is the system of exploration for the Totality to experience the potentials within itself.
I think mind/body/spirit is best described by an analogy of food. Have you ever seen, say, peanut butter separate? Or any kind of sauce or soup separate? Heavy, solid moves to the bottom and what is lighter moves to the top. I think the mind/body/spirit is like this, a continuum in which there are thresholds. The mind, body and spirit are all one continuous thing and I think it is only the veil which causes us to perceive otherwise.
To me, the body is space/time oriented, the mind is time/space oriented and the spirit is the 'shuttle' which moves from one end to the other and is able to go beyond to intelligent infinity through the deep mind.
I am distinctly not of the camp that the body is some separate or 'borrowed' vehicle which is 'used' by the mind. I believe the body is a direct manifestation of the mind and is directly created by the Totality in every moment. Reality wasn't generated when you were born, it is still being generated right now in the moment
RE: Soul and Humanity, Personality Formulation?? - spero - 11-23-2015
u might get some good results from q'uo transcripts if u search for soul stream and personality shell
e.g.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2010/2010_1023.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1997/1997_0420.aspx
Quote:It is our understanding that each of you is part of a soul stream. You, as a soul stream, may be considered to be at the center of a three-dimensional, timeless field in which all of the incarnations which you have experienced as an individual in third density, fourth density, fifth, sixth or seventh density resides. The fruit, the harvest, of your incarnation is gathered, thankfully and lovingly, by the soul stream and by the Creator as you experience life within an incarnation and most especially as you leave the incarnation and go through the healing process of the review of the incarnation after your physical death and before you choose your next incarnation.
Again, it is our understanding that, having been reunited with your soul stream and your higher self before you choose the manner of your next incarnation, you carefully consider what you feel may be distorted about the balance of your soul stream. Are you too heavily a creature of love? Can you keep your heart open but perhaps do not have the wisdom that you would wish that you had? Or, alternatively, are you one who is very wise but has trouble opening the heart? Or, as a third possibility, is your incarnation one which has to do with the right use of power? If so, then you may examine those patterns that repeat in your incarnation, analyzing those patterns for the possibility of an imbalance between power and love or an imbalance between power and wisdom.
It is thoughts of this kind that cause you and your higher self to choose the next experience behind the veil of third density. You are always looking, as a soul stream, to lessen distortion and to increase the balance of your soul stream. By balance, we do not mean to imply that the goal of the soul stream is to achieve indifference or neutrality. Rather, we are suggesting that balance is that which enables the entire energy body to remain open within incarnation, so that you may more fully know who you are, you may more fully serve, and you may more fully be the essence of yourself.
That being said, what you experience as your personality is actually a kind of shell. It is a kind of clothing, mask or costume. It is not a trick. That is to say although it is an illusion, all things are illusory to one extent or another. Your personality shell is as real as you know how to make it be. Nevertheless, what you experience as your personality shell or as some might say, the ego, is not the whole of yourself and was never intended to be a true representation of your soul stream.
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[font=X, Arial, Calibri, 'Times Roman', serif, X]As we talk to you, you know that we are a combination of fourth-density, fifth-density, and sixth-density entities. Those within the principle of Q’uo have not yet gone through the ending of an octave of creation. However, it is our understanding, limited though it may be, that the essence of each part of the Creator that has been sent out remains in potentiation as the Creator breathes and decides again to know Itself better. And when It sends out parts of Itself again, there is a natural tendency to fracture or be splintered into the precisely identical soul stream that you experienced in the previous octave. So in truth, you, as an individual, are never lost. You simply are folded up into the Creator after a full octave of experience. After coming from alpha to omega you start again and you learn again and you desire again and the fruits of that are preserved for the Creator so that It may know Itself ever better.[/font]
RE: Soul and Humanity, Personality Formulation?? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 11-24-2015
I've read every response and seriously need to contemplate as it all sounds appropriate and useful to what I'm looking for...
I'll offer some explanation Why I ask though.
Nde's and Michael Newton's Journey of Souls have offered various inputs of the same info in differing ways.
Of this pool of info, there is painfully inadequate explanation of what a Personality is. Yet Souls have them, and Human's do too, but we're just Soul's inside of a complex (organic squishy machine). Does that complex have a personality? Does my Soul personality come through like maybe I'm a quirky soul so I have quirks, or I'm an unserious soul in a serious body, how's it 'manifest' persona wise?
Personality Shell, mbs complex, derived by various density components (possibly including higher echelons of overlapping, like say, a 6D person has a 6D layer to their complex, or a 5D person has a 5D layer over them. Or 4D has 4D over their 3D, or a 6D person has 4, 5 and 6D layers over their 3D self? Guessing based on Parson's post in the Entheogens thread of his experiences)
I'm actually just trying to figure out a basic 'outline' of myself, I figured it'd be helpful to understand how 'myself' is formulated into a personality.
RE: Soul and Humanity, Personality Formulation?? - Aion - 11-24-2015
I think the personality is built through a 'hierarchy of needs' which is programmed in to the life experience. I think this relates to the base necessities of all of the energy centers and their development.
Thus, personality is an image generated by the 'tonal harmonic' of the individual. In other words it's like how when you hear a certain sound and then associate it with certain things. I think this is also true for the personality in that it is a structure of associated elements. It seems likely to me that the 'base' of the personality is the image of the Higher Self and then potential from Intelligent Infinity are added to produce catalyst. The Veil is what creates the illusion of separate personalities. It is rather that you simply don't see the spectrum.
I think perceiving personality is like an ink blot test. It's not that specific things have settled personality traits but rather that different elements of an individual are perceived as different natures and these build impressions of personality. Thus, a person could act in some way but depending on who is observing they may come to a different conclusion about their personality and that may be different from how the person acting perceives their personality.
Thus, I think it's a relative observation of associated elements.
Why do we believe we have a distinct, categorical personality? Because psychology has told us so, because the label and idea has been built and impressed as the truth.
What is Water? Ask Fire and you will get one answer. Ask Wind and you will get another answer. Ask Earth and you will get yet another. Ask Spirit and it will say, 'All of the Above'.
RE: Soul and Humanity, Personality Formulation?? - APeacefulWarrior - 11-25-2015
I see personality as a highly flexible thing. I might describe it as the set of distortions one chooses to embrace, because they are useful in some way or another. Personality is role-playing, more or less. As such, I don't see my personality as "me" so much as the aspect of me I'm presenting to the world at this moment.
RE: Soul and Humanity, Personality Formulation?? - zvonimir - 03-01-2017
this thread seem like the one for this material i found it very interseting i think many other will also
from: The Ancient Wisdom by Annie Besant
The evolution of humanity on our earth, globe D, offers in a strongly marked form the continual sevenfold
diversity already often alluded to. Seven races of men had already shown themselves in the third round,
and in the fourth these fundamental divisions became very clear on globe C, where seven races, each
with sub-races evolved. On globe D humanity begins with a First Race – usually called a Root Race – at
seven different points, “seven of them, each on his lot.” (Book of Dzyan (Stanzas of Dzyan, 3: 13). –
Secret Doctrine, Volume 2, page 18, of the 1893, edition– Volume 3, page 29, of the Adyar edition.)
These seven types side by side, not successive – make up the first root-race, and each again has its own
seven sub-races. From the first root-race – jelly-like amorphous creatures – evolves the second root-race
with forms of more definite consistency, and from it the third, ape-like creatures that become clumsy
gigantic men. In the middle of the evolution of this third root-race, called the Lemurian, there come to
earth – from another planetary chain, that of Venus, much farther advanced in its evolution – members of
its highly evolved humanity, glorious Beings, often spoken of as Sons of Fire, from Their radiant
appearance, a lofty order among the Sons of Mind. (Manasaputra. This vast hierarchy of self-conscious
intelligences embraces many orders.)
They take up Their abode on earth, as the Divine Teachers of the young humanity, some of them acting
as channels for the third outpouring and projecting into animal man the spark of monadic life which forms
the causal body. Thus the first, second, and third classes of Lunar Pitris become individualised – the vast
(Page 327) bulk of humanity. The two classes of solar Pitris, already individualised – the first ere leaving
the lunar chain and the second later – form two low orders of the Sons of Mind; the second incarnate in
the third race at its middle point, and the first come in later, for the most part in the fourth race, the
Atlantean.