(10-18-2015, 05:01 PM)darklight Wrote: But there is a risk that 5th density neggies will involve in the channeling like happened with Carla.

Quote:I am seriously interested, but also seriously undermanned -he said to himself direly-

So then the proof comes in the comfort and ease that many have 'strengthened' the contact's clarity and provided a sort of 'protection' in terms of a vibrating frequency providing a 'clear channel' free of 'attacks' or misinformation or interruption?

So there is no proof except belief?

Edit: I ask that not in means of sounding nihilistic, but I noticed the Ra Material itself was rather correct in things beyond it's time even in the 80's regarding normal physics, but there was otherwise little way to prove their information except to wait and see if it turns out to be true for you or not.

Is it basically the same premise for any form of Channeling?

Quote:http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2009/2009_1013.pdf
 
Our response would be in two parts. Firstly, the safe and secure area of contact from the world of spirit is that contact with your higher self which is reliably possible and always achievable without any concern for your personality shell’s integrity. In order to contact this higher self or this oversoul or as this instrument would call it, the “Holy Spirit,” we would recommend the journaling method as being most productive and efficient. In this method you simply sit at your computer or sit with a paper and pen and write your question, then immediately, at your next thought, write that thought down without asking whether it came from you or whether it did not. The preparation for this journaling is, as you said, to calm your mind. We would not offer you the encouragement to find a specific state of consciousness, such as theta, but would rather encourage you to tune yourself as if you were an instrument. Whether that tuning that is effective to you would be in singing, chanting, praying or simply sitting in silent meditation, we do not know and cannot say. However, such tuning as you will find satisfaction in doing brings you to your highest and best self and clears the way for a good contact.
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For you see, my brother, there is the problem of there being a very crowded universe full of entities in the unseen realms, some mischievous, some positive, some angelic, and some who wish to distract you from the light, to deceive you and even to break up your earthly personality shell so that they may reap your suffering and pain.
 
 
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2008/2008_0513.aspx
 
Now we would speak a bit about working with guidance. Working with your guidance is one of the ways in which you use the gateway to intelligent infinity. You open yourself to the metaphysical worlds by the process of tuning yourself up to your highest and best as you move out of the open heart and into the blue-ray chakra, then into the indigo-ray chakra, and from thence into the violet-ray chakra and through the gateway. Your guidance is a source of inspiration and information and it is most happy to communicate with you. Thusly, after you have spent time resting in the open heart, form your intention to seek your guidance system. You may even say so out loud, or if you are one of those who enjoy working on the computer, type your intention in a new document on your computer: “My intention is to seek the guidance that has been given me in the love and the light of the one infinite Creator.” Then, we would suggest that you simply speak or type or write with the pen and paper the question that you have to ask your guidance. As soon as you have finished writing or typing or asking that question, write or type or say the very next thing that comes into your mind, not checking it, judging it, or evaluating it in any way, but simply letting flow what comes to you. When that flow has stopped, evaluate it and continue to ask the questions that you wish to ask your guidance and continue, as you finish each question, to let that answer, whatever it may be, flow without judging it in any way. The greatest hindrance besides low self-worth to hearing your guidance is intellectual evaluation.
 
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2006/2006_0318.pdf
 
…communication with your higher self is a uniquely protected activity. It is, in fact, the only case in which we would feel quite comfortable recommending that the one known as A or the one known as R pursue the conversation that is possible with one’s guidance system. Such a conversion is occurring completely within one’s own protected heart. There is no outside interference that is possible in this communication. Opening such a communication can be somewhat difficult for those who are not entirely used to moving on instinct, intuition or insight. Avenues of direct perception are almost entirely blocked and denigrated by the values of your culture. Consequently, even those with very sensitive natures, who are aware of much more than they can explain, do not tend to feel confident about opening such a communication. Nevertheless, it is relatively easy to open such communication. It simply requires patience and persistence, once the goal of opening communications with your guidance system has been decided upon. When an energy feels inimical or uncomfortable, the marks of one’s guidance system are not present. And in such a case we would in no way advise the attempt to create a communication with such a source or entity. The reason for this is the relatively unformed nature of any entity’s personality with regard to metaphysical work. There is a very specific discipline which must be approached, grasped, invoked and pursued before an entity is ready to begin thinking about communicating with any spirit that is perceived. The nature of the human personality is such that unless care is taken, any attempt to open communication will be difficult, faulty or even harmful to the integrated personality shell of the being attempting the opening of the communication. The need, then, before opening communication of any kind, is to go through a lengthy process wherein an entity discovers himself, defines his nature, and explores thoroughly those principles and central themes for which he is living and for which he would die. When an entity knows himself so well that he knows the ground upon which he stands, he has then become an entity in the metaphysical world of time/space. For the first time he has achieved the discipline of a personality. He has examined the self. He is aware of what he believes; what he loves; that for which he feels most passionate; that for which he lives and that for which he would gladly lose his life if it were necessary. When an entity has come to that extreme of knowledge of self, he is then ready to have conversations with other spirits. He is then able to challenge them and to say, “If you come in the name of that for which I live and that for which I will die, then I will speak with you. If you do not, then you must go away.” And that entity will perforce need to go away if he cannot meet your challenge. To be able to make that challenge, knowing the self thoroughly, is the work of years
 

(10-18-2015, 08:32 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

Quote:I am seriously interested, but also seriously undermanned -he said to himself direly-

So then the proof comes in the comfort and ease that many have 'strengthened' the contact's clarity and provided a sort of 'protection' in terms of a vibrating frequency providing a 'clear channel' free of 'attacks' or misinformation or interruption?

So there is no proof except belief?

Edit: I ask that not in means of sounding nihilistic, but I noticed the Ra Material itself was rather correct in things beyond it's time even in the 80's regarding normal physics, but there was otherwise little way to prove their information except to wait and see if it turns out to be true for you or not.

Is it basically the same premise for any form of Channeling?

Yeah. Q'uo works in that the group presents a question and lets Q'uo essay about it, mostly abstractly. As soon as you get into details, into transient info, the contact depolarizes. Q'uo wants to emotionally inspire, not prove any metaphysical science or give irrefutable proof of other densities. In fact, I was just reading a Hatonn channeling that spoke about how channeling has to preserve the free will of the channeler and others who may read it. The entities want to inspire us to seek inwardly, and not outwardly. (http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1974/1974_0202.aspx)

And yeah, faith is a pretty big factor. Channeling a pretty delicate thing. If you want to channel spiritual inspiration, or, information about working in consciousness towards STO polarization, these things are pretty safe. But going beyond the realm of those two topics is probably going to get you mixed information at best.

(10-19-2015, 12:29 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote:

(10-18-2015, 08:32 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

Quote:I am seriously interested, but also seriously undermanned -he said to himself direly-

So then the proof comes in the comfort and ease that many have 'strengthened' the contact's clarity and provided a sort of 'protection' in terms of a vibrating frequency providing a 'clear channel' free of 'attacks' or misinformation or interruption?

So there is no proof except belief?

Edit: I ask that not in means of sounding nihilistic, but I noticed the Ra Material itself was rather correct in things beyond it's time even in the 80's regarding normal physics, but there was otherwise little way to prove their information except to wait and see if it turns out to be true for you or not.

Is it basically the same premise for any form of Channeling?

Yeah. Q'uo works in that the group presents a question and lets Q'uo essay about it, mostly abstractly. As soon as you get into details, into transient info, the contact depolarizes. Q'uo wants to emotionally inspire, not prove any metaphysical science or give irrefutable proof of other densities. In fact, I was just reading a Hatonn channeling that spoke about how channeling has to preserve the free will of the channeler and others who may read it. The entities want to inspire us to seek inwardly, and not outwardly. (http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1974/1974_0202.aspx)

And yeah, faith is a pretty big factor. Channeling a pretty delicate thing. If you want to channel spiritual inspiration, or, information about working in consciousness towards STO polarization, these things are pretty safe. But going beyond the realm of those two topics is probably going to get you mixed information at best.

Surely that's not including the Ra Material?  If it is then we need to examine each question to derive Don's intent and see if There's bad information.  Could Q'uo be questioned on each Ra session to see if they can derive the accuracy of each statement for the sake of those who read it?  A sort of sto service of purifying the existing Ra Material to be even more clear and/or undistorted.  Or would this be beyond the scope of the proper reasoning to channel?

(10-20-2015, 12:58 PM)Aion Wrote: I am aware of my own capacity to channel but I use it in only a subtle way. I prefer not to do full channeling and allow other entities to speak through me, preferring to connect mentally and then relay messages through my own mind.