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Desire to die - Cainite - 09-15-2015
So if an entity has an strong desire to leave the planet, will he attract death automatically? does that actually work?
RE: Desire to die - Plenum - 09-15-2015
well, Carla managed to induce such a situation:
Quote:63.3 Questioner: You are saying that the instrument itself then created the kidney problem at that time?
Ra: I am Ra. The instrument’s desire to leave this density lowered the defenses of an already predisposed weak body complex, and an allergic reaction was so intensified as to cause the complications which distorted the body complex towards unviability. The will of the instrument, when it found that there was indeed work to be done in service, was again the guiding factor or complex of vibratory patterns which kept the body complex from surrendering to dissolution of the ties which cause the vitality of life.
but, fortunately, she was given the choice to return, to do the Work that she came here to do.
And aren't we grateful for that
there is so much Confusion on this side of the Veil. To get to the point where one wishes to exit the gift of incarnation ... I have faced it earnestly, once. And it was also to do with a misperceived sense that I was in a situation where I would be baffled (ie prevented) from pursuing my heart's desire. Forunately, that state of consciousness only lasted for an evening, but the thoughforms so created can linger for a lifetime, even after one has changed one's approach. Powerful emotions create powerful effects.
RE: Desire to die - upensmoke - 09-15-2015
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/02/after-65-years-of-marriage-the-couple-die-88-minutes-apart/1#.VfgfEHUViko
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2507829/You-really-CAN-die-broken-heart-Surviving-spouses-66-higher-risk-dying-months-partners-death.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26980587/ns/health-aging/t/never-part-devoted-couples-share-life-death/
these are all articles showing were couples and spouses who have been together for a long time dying very close to the time there partners have died. I always assumed that these individuals were so stricken by the loss that they gave up the will to live and died shortly after. So i think if you give up the will to live you will die faster than what you were meant too.
on a more personal level when ever i get the desire to leave this reality i just contemplate that everything is always changing and this feeling will too or i contemplate on how im going to die regardless of what i do so no need to rush it.
RE: Desire to die - Aion - 09-15-2015
No, wanting to avoid life doesn't count manifesting death. Remember we incarnate to experience catalyst, so life will keep offering us catalyst. If anything, I think it's when you completely give up on everything, even death, that there is no energy left to sustain an incarnation.
The desire for death instead will simply bring about more opportunities to make a choice of polarity.
RE: Desire to die - Diana - 09-15-2015
I agree with what Aion posted.
It is hopelessness, as I see it, that is the driving force to end an incarnation.
RE: Desire to die - Cainite - 09-16-2015
well I am quite hopeless.. but it doesn't seem enough.. what's the quickest method of suicide? I fear attempting suicide and surviving and being left with more sorrow. what was don elkins' method of suicide?
RE: Desire to die - Raz - 09-16-2015
if an entity is actively looking for a way to die it is using self destructive reference patterns/points (been there, done that, got the t-shirt). Referring thought and memory to the present moment and taking them seriously out of not including nothingness as the prime referral thus there will be a lack of contrast and understanding of the significance of even the mundane...
RE: Desire to die - tamaryn - 09-16-2015
Cainite , your current configuration as an unmatchedly bright entity in this reality is invaluable. There are many on the other side that would trade places with you in a heartbeat. And I believe this is what happens when /true/ hopelessness is brought into manifestation from the heart. I asked the same exact questions you did because I did try to manifest conditions that would help me quickly exit and awaken to my true being. My higher self had a different plan though and did respect my desire to leave.
There are so many avenues for the entity lost and wanting no more than to return home to the ocean of spirit from where we were born. And your higher self will present to you exactly the conditions that help you evolve the quickest.
Catalyst here is rougher than anything else, and it is just fine to desire strongly to leave. But to bring the archetype of suicide to heart and accept all possiblities, including living the rest of your life is a beautiful spiritual alchemy.
RE: Desire to die - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-16-2015
-Staring at posts-
Some in this thread should go perform a google search on Suicide, read up everything pertaining to WHY one wishes to die, and then look up websites for suicidal people that aren't made to deter them.
Cain. I've been on that door step to death once. Ernestly and sincerely waiting to return...Home. was what I started calling it. I have never been that close since but have been close to that. I sometimes regret not just doing it and getting it over with. But at that time I do believe a guide, or my grandma helped deter me at the time just before I dozed off for the last time to CO poisoning.
I think if you truly desire death, the OIC loves you enough, so MUCH, that you won't be prevented, perhaps even your Higher Self will conspire to offer you chances to suicide as catalyst. It is you looking back upon its past after all.
But I don't think it's fair to you personally. You can change circumstances. You can make new futures. You can always change your life even if it's difficult....suicide is difficult, and results in more difficulty as you'll have to return in a sense in.some shape or fashion to fulfill your desires in 3D. Maybe you'll come back not schizophrenic, or maybe you'll come back different, autistic or with some other 'handicap'.
You saw something in the sun. You can make sense of love. You'd be a powerful spiritual resource in time to some if you ever released the socially binding beliefs of who you need to be and how to be.
But I want to give you answers and end the suffering you feel now because I've been there, and I still feel those things every day and I still fight my desire to go home and screw off everyone who cares about me. And all I ever wanted was someone who understood and cared and wanted to make me feel better. But that never happened... I had to be my own caring otherself... and I am. Its hard. Harder than most things because even I do not understand my own paradoxical desires. I just want to love, why...Why is it that in a world teaching love, it can be so hard, just to love?
...yet I continue on.
Cain, do you have anybody close to you or dear to you that you can talk to? What's your life situation? Do you have a place to live or family or friends to talk to?
I love you for trying to reach out before doing anything. Thank you for this opportunity to try and provide love.
RE: Desire to die - Raz - 09-16-2015
-I see people wanting to die...
-In your dreams?
[shakes his head no]
-While you're awake?
[nods]
-People wanting do die, like in pain? on their death bed?
-Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're not alone.
-How often do you see them?
-All the time. They're everywhere.
RE: Desire to die - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-16-2015
I'm one of them. Its because people say they care then disappear.
Indifference and Unconditional Love look the same so often, its no wonder people proclaim the universe a place of indifference.
In observation (without knowledge to look for Love) it is.
RE: Desire to die - Reaper - 09-16-2015
Don shot himself in the head. It's survivable and I wouldn't recommend it.
If wanting to die actually killed you, I would have died as a very young child. Instead I persist, because even in my sorrow there are things I have yet to do.
RE: Desire to die - Minyatur - 09-16-2015
I can't tell you to not kill yourself because it is your free will and is not any less an experience than any other.
I can't tell you that if you do, you'll end up coming back here because that is also up to your free will. You could very well leave these planes and considerer for yourself that this is not the mean of evolution you prefer. If 3D is still desired, there are countless other 3D worlds with a much thinner veil that would make the experience different.
All I can say, is that you came here very consciously and as such the best mean of leaving would be if done in a very conscious manner. Seek the heart of yourself to remember why you came here as then you can make the choice of furthering this experience or not in a level of awareness where you'd know whether it is what you truly want or not.
One other thing I can tell you is that you are loved, there are many entities that would love to share their love to you and also seek to understand your sorrow. The tricky part is simply opening yourself to them.
RE: Desire to die - AnthroHeart - 09-16-2015
I've been suicidal MANY times. I always ask my higher self to take me out, but it never works. But I don't focus on that for more than a day. To manifest that life, I'd have to really focus on dying for an extended period. And I always change my mind by morning. They say we see our guides when we sleep, and they give us a pep talk and reasons for continuing.
RE: Desire to die - Raz - 09-16-2015
we only feel/see aspects of what we want from this perspective, we are blind to the totality of it; fumbling around in darkness trying to find the light switch that we know is there somewhere...
RE: Desire to die - AnthroHeart - 09-17-2015
In the "Handbook to the Afterlife" on page 90 it says: "Suicides, for example, may repeatedly try to kill themselves again, not realizing they had already succeeded."
RE: Desire to die - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-17-2015
Gem can you provide the full paragraph that Sentence came from?
And the author of the book so I can look it up?
RE: Desire to die - AnthroHeart - 09-17-2015
Handbook to the Afterlife by Pamela Rae Heath and Jon Klimo
P.90
"Regardless of the cause of confusion, this inability to reorient to the new state (after death) can lead to very sad scenes. Suicides, for example, may repeatedly try to kill themselves again, not realizing they had already succeeded. Filipino researcher Jaime Licauco has had situations described to him by mediums that make him believe these spirits will remain earthbound until they accept they are truly dead."
RE: Desire to die - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-17-2015
-Stares-
Was expecting a completely different avenue there, but now I know this is pertaining to a successful suicide, but not realizing one has succeeded, versus suiciding, returning in a differing incarnation and doing so again.
I hope Cain's okay...
Thank you Gemini.
RE: Desire to die - rva_jeremy - 09-17-2015
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We're all wounded, Cainite. Our only hope is to tend to each others' wounds. Don't leave us to go it without you.
RE: Desire to die - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-17-2015
The Arcane Front is a good follow! So much silent truth from that page's admin.