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Is the Human Body Veiled? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-11-2015
I understand the mind is.
But what of the body? It seems to be intelligently connected, which is unveil-like. Has an intelligent way of forming, healing, developing sickness. Would you say the Human Body Itself (even with or without Consciousness driving it) is unveiled?
RE: Is the Human Body Veiled? - anagogy - 09-12-2015
Nope. The body is indeed veiled.
Consider the fact that you do not have perfectly conscious awareness of all those mysterious and intelligent bodily processes.
All you know about those mysterious intelligent processes is what empirical science has observed by watching them and reporting back to the general public on what they saw. And even then, I assure you, there is a massive component of those bodily processes which contemporary science, in its current incarnation, cannot understand because it relying solely on outer observation, and as such, cannot observe the inner components of consciousness generating the outer realities. It is like learning everything about yourself by studying a reflection in a mirror. Sure, you can ascertain a large amount of the gross, tangible, and apparently manifest processes. But it gives you little information on the main thing of import (the thing being reflected -- you), and also the inner perspective of that thing.
Prior to the veil, all those inner components would have been known. Your consciousness of the digestive process, as an example, would have been vastly different. Right now, when you eat something, and swallow it, that is where most of the conscious process ends and unconscious forces take over. Prior to the veil, you would have been consciously privy to all that occurred after that juncture as well -- a strange and difficult to imagine idea from our current vantage point.
RE: Is the Human Body Veiled? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-12-2015
So. Yes as I said, the Mind is veiled, the body hasn't had any real change to it. It is still aware and knows what to do when conscious or not.
Do you lump the archetype set of Mind with Body? There is a veil between Conscious and Unconscious Mind (Magician and High Priestess). On the body is any such veil present? You say yes then explain my point in why i believe it isn't veiled.
Oh you, may I ask you try to explain it in terms of how our Mind, which although linked to the body, is both Infinite and Veiled, does extend to the body a veil as well?
I'd understand if you meant, 'Yes because the auric bodies that make you up can't be directly interacted with by your self' but that isn't true. And the body is aware of things even I consciously am not. It still digests in my sleep, it still regulates blood pressure and heart rate and breathing, while I sleep.
Whereas an unveiled person can control all of that, a veiled person has no control over it without doing some kind of special breathing or meditations.
I understand the mind is veiled.
Is the body, that physical vehicle that can exist by itself without consciousness inside of it (because it too is alive) also veiled, or is it unveiled?
I can't say the spirit is veiled in and of itself like the mind is. So is the body veiled?
Ra never remarks such. She tells of a before and after picture as per Don's line of questioning. Even the archetype of The Devil may not be proper as Ra regards it during one of these 'what was this like before the veil' questions.
Anagogy, to I, my mind and body are separate entities in One.
RE: Is the Human Body Veiled? - Minyatur - 09-12-2015
The mind is veiled of the body. The body in itself is just a biological computer with a mind/spirit interface. That level of awareness is of 1D and seeks mainly to be.
RE: Is the Human Body Veiled? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-12-2015
Highly Highly Highly disagree, our body is either 2D or 3D, not sure which but it can't be 1D, and I doubt its 2D Since it can support 3D consciousness.
I've discussed this in the past here. Ra mentions a significant loss of Mind complex in death was my premise for saying the body is 3D, its what allows the Mind to be present, its what makes us hear our thoughts, it builds the persona of the ality that is Personality.
That mind is said to be Infinite. But veiled.
How would body be veiled? Or unveiled or nonveiled. Whichever however whenever.
Just curious.
RE: Is the Human Body Veiled? - Minyatur - 09-12-2015
What makes something being of 3D is self-awareness.
A 2D entity will move from being a mind/body complex to being a mind/body/spirit complex upon achieving self-awareness.
But the body in itself is a vehicule, it is a biological computer that follows it's programmation. The soul through the mind by being self-aware, has the ability to change this programmation, but if not done the body is nothing more than a very complex computer.
If you don't consciously tend to your basic needs, your body will wither away.
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I don't necessarily agree with Ra's notion that a 2D entity is only a mind/body complex, I think the spirit part is still there but not included simply because it is not aware of itself.
RE: Is the Human Body Veiled? - Aion - 09-12-2015
As Ra says, the body is a creature of the Mind. The body is 'veiled', but it is a byproduct of the veiling of the Mind because it is through the mind that the awareness of the body takes place. Thus, were the mind unveiled, the body is also inevitably unveiled. I don't believe the body is actually veiled in the same sense as the Veil which is a separation between the conscious and unconscious minds, the Matrix and Potentiator, which breaks the awareness and communication between the Manifest Self and Unmanifest Self. Thus, the potential for total body awareness is always there but is more or less reachable by the work done and the distortions arranged by/for the entity.
This type of work I am very familiar with. The Veil is essentially like a 'fog of war' in the body, if you are familiar with the term. It makes it so you can't focus your mind upon the whole thing at once, so your awareness of it becomes broken and fragmented.
RE: Is the Human Body Veiled? - anagogy - 09-12-2015
(09-12-2015, 04:33 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: So. Yes as I said, the Mind is veiled, the body hasn't had any real change to it. It is still aware and knows what to do when conscious or not.
Do you lump the archetype set of Mind with Body? There is a veil between Conscious and Unconscious Mind (Magician and High Priestess). On the body is any such veil present? You say yes then explain my point in why i believe it isn't veiled.
Oh you, may I ask you try to explain it in terms of how our Mind, which although linked to the body, is both Infinite and Veiled, does extend to the body a veil as well?
I'd understand if you meant, 'Yes because the auric bodies that make you up can't be directly interacted with by your self' but that isn't true. And the body is aware of things even I consciously am not. It still digests in my sleep, it still regulates blood pressure and heart rate and breathing, while I sleep.
Whereas an unveiled person can control all of that, a veiled person has no control over it without doing some kind of special breathing or meditations.
I understand the mind is veiled.
Is the body, that physical vehicle that can exist by itself without consciousness inside of it (because it too is alive) also veiled, or is it unveiled?
I can't say the spirit is veiled in and of itself like the mind is. So is the body veiled?
Ra never remarks such. She tells of a before and after picture as per Don's line of questioning. Even the archetype of The Devil may not be proper as Ra regards it during one of these 'what was this like before the veil' questions.
Anagogy, to I, my mind and body are separate entities in One.
Sorry, TTP, I misunderstood you.
The veil only applies to the 3rd density mind while incarnate in 3rd density. As Ra stated, "this is the only plane of forgetting".
The body, as separate from the 3rd density mind is a 2nd density construction, and 2nd density is a patternization of 1st density physical material. So the body is not, of itself, veiled to its own processes, and possesses the instinctual cellular intelligence to carry out all its biological complexities provided we don't add disturbing and distorting vibrations to the mix.
(09-12-2015, 10:37 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Highly Highly Highly disagree, our body is either 2D or 3D, not sure which but it can't be 1D, and I doubt its 2D Since it can support 3D consciousness.
I've discussed this in the past here. Ra mentions a significant loss of Mind complex in death was my premise for saying the body is 3D, its what allows the Mind to be present, its what makes us hear our thoughts, it builds the persona of the ality that is Personality.
That mind is said to be Infinite. But veiled.
How would body be veiled? Or unveiled or nonveiled. Whichever however whenever.
Just curious.
The body is 1D, 2D, and 3D. The elemental constituents are 1D. The genetic patternization of those elements into genetic material is 2D. And when those genetic patternizations reach the requisite complexity of structure to allow a brain with the capacity for a self aware cognition it becomes a 3rd density body. But strictly speaking, until a self aware 3rd density soul is inhabiting it, it is a 2nd density structure.
This is completely ignoring the subdensity planar structures that accompany these physical structures I've just described. That provides an additional level of complexity, which is not altogether necessary to go into at this time. However, it is still good to keep in mind.
RE: Is the Human Body Veiled? - Aion - 09-12-2015
Quote:85.19 Questioner: I would like to carry that on to find out what specific functions of the mind were most effectual and the three or four most effective changes brought about to create the polarization.
Ra: I am Ra. This is an interesting query. The primary veiling was of such significance that it may be seen to be analogous to the mantling of the Earth over all the jewels within the Earth’s crust; whereas previously all facets of the Creator were consciously known. After the veiling, almost no facets of the Creator were known to the mind. Almost all was buried beneath the veil.
If one were to attempt to list those functions of mind most significant in that they might be of aid in polarization, one would need to begin with the faculty of visioning, envisioning, or far-seeing. Without the veil the mind was not caught in your illusory time. With the veil space/time is the only obvious possibility for experience.
Also upon the list of significant veiled functions of the mind would be that of dreaming. The so-called dreaming contains a great deal which, if made available to the conscious mind and used, shall aid it in polarization to a great extent.
The third function of the mind which is significant and which has been veiled is that of the knowing of the body. The knowledge of and control over the body, having been lost to a great extent in the veiling process, is thusly lost from the experience of the seeker. Its knowledge before the veiling is of small use. Its knowledge after the veiling, and in the face of what is now a dense illusion of separation of body complex from mind complex, is quite significant.
Perhaps the most important and significant function that occurred due to the veiling of the mind from itself is not in itself a function of mind but rather is a product of the potential created by this veiling. This is the faculty of will or pure desire.
We may ask for brief queries at this time. Although there is energy remaining for this working, we are reluctant to continue this contact, experiencing continual variations due to pain flares, as you call this distortion. Although we are unaware of any misgiven material we are aware that there have been several points during which our channel was less than optimal. This instrument is most faithful but we do not wish to misuse this instrument. Please query as you will.
The body itself isn't veiled, the lack of awareness is a function of the veiling of the Mind.