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Free Will Denial - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-05-2015
In the tense of, being Denied Free Will
In the context of, we are in denial of Free Will.
I am sorry to say this, I have thought it over for months now ever since I first discovered the innate concept (as in I didn't read about it, I thought it up) that Free Will is ignored, making this place actually a Hell of sorts.
'Oh Van, stop talking about Hell!'
I will say that I am wrong, that this is not something that is true for everyone. If you ever discover this for yourself, regard it as Greeting. It is Greeting, and it was welcomed by me, and now I understand the concept of Gnosticism, the entire flip-side of Spirituality (Earth is a Soul Trap) and such. It's actually real, but only if you make it real for yourself.
I am of the unfortunate nature that I desired to take this route. In so doing, I am surmising as I go through this life now the areas of Free Will Denial.
I will begin now.
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Free Will exists even against the scientific claim that it does not (the study cited in such a claim in my opinion proves Free Will, choices made 7 seconds prior to consciously making them, is the unconscious or 'whole' self choosing), I argued this in a model of Determinism I call 'Relative Determinism'. I won't post that unless people want me to
In Free Will we must accept and respect another's Free Will, almost like how we desire our free will to be respected and accepted.
In Earth, Free Will does not exist. There is no authority to enforce Free Will, rather, there is an authority present that suppresses Free Will. In both good and bad. Your Free Will as a human being is ignored cosmically even, to an extent that for eons now, nothing has been done to aid those countless endless entities who have incarnated here to experience enslavement of the most devious kind, the belief of freedom in reality where you are not free. I called this a Fanciful Hell. Heaven essentially in all ways shapes and forms, until you discover that your free will is ignored. It's called Unconditional Love, or The Law of Confusion. Some see it as Indifference, or a complex equation needing solved.
The most straightforward way of explaining this however is in an analogy:
Imagine if you will a Human, who has entered into a legally binding contract (Life Plan). They then lose all memory of who they are permanently (as far as that 'Life' is concerned) and find themselves a completely new Person personality wise. They discover they are bound to a contract they agreed to, but as a different person. Their current placement has them disagreeing with the terms of the contract. They are told they have Free Will. When they express that Free Will, it is ignored because of a contract they are bound to, and told that they put themselves here in this position and must go through with everything. They cite Free Will and are told there is no infringement because they choose to be here. They cite they did not, as the current being they are, choose anything. They are told they are wrong.
Does an amnesiac who is legally a new person still have to abide by a contract they have no recognition or desire of maintaining now?
According to the Universe, yes. Human Being's Free Will is not above the Soul's Free Will, it is not even regarded as equal to. It is ignored and then cited as equal to.
Human's who desire to be murdered and raped and tortured, they choose that.
Human's who want to leave and never return, cannot do so unless they fulfill very stringent specific actions.
Human's who are aware, come to an odd realization that cosmically, they are a Game in consideration (many NDE's reference this, even Carla calls this place the Gameboard, and our Consciousness is the Player with a self-aware vehicle.)
Human's who desire to stop playing the game, invite further game events (Catalyst).
Human's who continue to play the game, invite stronger/harder game events.
And are asked to have faith in something they have no knowledge of, in something that hurts them, in something that betrays them. In a Creator that resembled Demiurge, who is by definition of 'All is One', The Demiurge in a Distortion. To accept and love that, even while treated as badly as they are.
I would even post this in Strictly Law of One as it pertains directly to Free Will, revolving around several statements made by Ra, the most notable being, 'This is the Density of Desire' and another saying, 'This is the Density of Choice'.
Yet in this density, desire of Human's are ignored, grossly so.
Yet in this density, Choice of Human's aren't just ignored, they reverberate across and back unto the Human, even in instances of having occurred in a different life time, with no connection beyond The Incarnated Soul, to provide 'Catalyst', a special way of saying Something you do not desire is coming your way, because what you actually desire is what your soul desires, even if the desires do not line up, you are still presented with endless Catalyst to make choices that do not matter, but to deal with their consequences regardless even if you, as an amnesiac, become once more another amnesiac who is once more in no way similar to you except that you share the same Soul.
In 3D if you do not graduate by basically being halfway to pure love towards others, or being basically completely selfish towards others, you WILL have to return. Even if you already won the game once, you're back in it again. You get no choice.
Let me repeat that.
You get no choice
That is infringement of Free Will to any Entity, unless the inherent contract of 3D is to discard your Free Will temporarily to discover the complexities of Free Will in order to make your polarity choice... It is still a Binding put upon you that takes away your Free Will. Unless one returns from incarnation and simply says. "No, I don't want to return." Do they get a choice if they have 'unfinished business' on Earth?
Some NDE's say yes, others don't even seem to comprehend the concept.
If a normally advancing soul is required, and I mean REQUIRED to pass 3D to move on, how is that factored into their Free Will? How about for the ones who wander aimlessly so lost and tormented by their experience on Earth? (Several NDE's and even Journey of Souls mentions a yellow plane where soul's wander in depression aimlessly bumping into each other as if they weren't even aware of one-another).
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I talked about what is beyond Illusion, a poor remark is 'Infinity'. To me everything inside Infinity is illusion. Because it is Distortion, Infinity itself is Distortion. It was not the first thing to come, it was not otherwise the first known thing wouldn't be Infinity, the first known thing implies something was present to be unaware before becoming aware, Infinity was not Infinite, it is by it's own definition (of being all things) Finite in that it is Unity, A Single Entity. If there was something beyond Infinity...
But that's a discussion for another thread, my point here is that to meet every question with this same god damned answer, You Chose This, You Desired This, You Did This to Yourself, The Answer is One, The Answer is Infinity, The Answer is Consciousness, The Answer is Love
Without any concept of the gradual premise of inference or inherence that what this is, is Distortion, is infuriating past a point.
We do not know if we are Free, we believe, and what does it mean to an entity not free? Is it a sick joke? Are Humans to Souls the same as Pigs are to Humans? Just a Thing to Utilize to Grow?
I honestly don't know, but I'm tired of being told it needs to be viewed with Love. I imagine in 3D, somethings are not meant to be viewed in the context of love. How does one Love the Torture dished upon them? How does one Love the murder put upon them? How does one Love the forceful raping of the self? Why would they? To forgive for the self? To accept for the self?
And if it wasn't planned? If it was another soul who has lost control and is infringing violently upon another... Where's the recompense? The infringing soul according to Journey of Souls must undergo a process of change to it's very being, or goes off to another place unknown to others. What about the infringed? Human wise? They get no actual justice while alive sometimes, hell sometimes their rapist is also their killer.
Free Will Denial.
It exists. Don't fool yourself. Here and now, you are learning to Love, but only through having your Free Will ignored profusely endlessly. (Let's try this practice: I desire to be at peace. Now wait for the Catalyst to take Peace and throw it into Chaos. How's that Free Will coming along friend?)
The only way to change this, is to simply not allow your Free Will to be infringed. Ra mentions how this is possible when discussing how Orion and Confederation sources clash. You must infringe infringing will to maintain free will, to infringe creates a scenario of Fair Game. "All's Fair in Love and War." Even the denial, if not full infringement of Free Will.
And even then, you're told you have power, and then discover yourself powerless. Which is an echo of this entire post, replacing Free Will with Power.
And this basis extends beyond even that.
Do you actually have a Choice? What if you do not align with your Soul? And it has happened.
Do you truly have a choice? Or is EVERYTHING an illusion?
Think about it, and let me know what you think. I'm pretty worried how I'll find myself once this life is done, if I'll be unable to go home...Or forced to come back. Or if I'll even end up in the same time/space environment. I don't know. If there were a word for the soul for Regret. It'd be called Earth, for so/me anyways.
Everything feels like a dream, and I can't wake up, and I can't go to sleep, yet I'm tired...
I feel pretty alone intellectually speaking. The greatest curse of this Philosophy was discovering how...Few. There are, of a world of billions.
This is a world designed to mess you up in some places. Why would anyone desire this?? To polarize? In an illusion? To learn? In an illusion? To help? In an illusion...? I honestly did my work, my polarizing, my learning, my helping. I did what I could for as long as I could. I had no help. And, the reward in comparison, experiencing Heaven for a few months, compared to Hell for years, does not pay off to me.
I can be of Service to Others, but I do not desire to interact with them anymore. I'd rather learn visualization meditations, and other ways to aid the planet. Anything but going back to Work in Consciousness through others...It's just not for me I understand now... It hurts too much watching everyone suffer. I just can't do it, I can't ignore it. It's cruel to ignore the suffering of others in my mind, they're me. Suffering, and I know the feeling, and I can not stop it, I am not power, I have no Will capable of doing such.
I don't like it anymore. Don't know what to do. This is how it feels to be enslaved essentially.
It worked, I'm not enslaved but I feel like I am. Enslaved to Humanity, to...Apathy. Indifference. I loved it and nothing changed. I did my Work, and nothing changed... Nothing, people saw, but no one took up the mantle with me. People felt the bliss, but they didn't want to do the Work involved to get to it.
And I was alone. And even though I'm not now, I still feel alone, more so than ever. And even though I like it, I just. Would rather be with others, accepted, desired, wanted. But I'm not. Even back then, no one really bothered with me. I was the kindest most amazing person some people met by their own words back then. It changed nothing.
I think I'll pursue my desires in other ways now, isolation for the most part is a welcome change now. Solitude is desires once more. It, ironically, helps me not feel trapped on Earth, it lets me not judge myself, it free's me from myself-through-others.
Lets me...Feel like...I actually HAVE Free Will. Instead of waking up each day to sadness and depression from feeling out of control of my life, from accepting something endlessly hoping for better to come, and better never coming until it's far too late.
I'm an ass hole even... I'm a monster now. And I like that about myself. But for some reason, I also don't.
I really do not like this place anymore. Maybe I've thought about it too much. But in my experience, Earth is an excuse to torment and cause suffering where it can be experienced other ways without such...Vile and deliberate ignorance of Self-Aware Human Free Will.
The only way it was acceptable was if the Human was literally an empty shell and the Consciousness brought Free Will, but if all living things... If Human vehicle is 3D, and the vehicle can support self-awareness, then the vehicle IS self-aware, soul or not, by it's construction.
And it is ignored.
I don't know anymore. Free Will/Confusion. How does that even equate? You've the Free Will to be Confused about Free Will?
I just don't know anymore.
Don't go down the same path I have, pick another one, this one sucks.
RE: Free Will Denial - Plenum - 09-05-2015
thank you for posting Van. I think the notion of Free Will (and how we relate to it, and understand it) is one of the most important principles to come to terms with, on both paths.
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(09-05-2015, 11:03 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Human's who desire to stop playing the game, invite further game events (Catalyst).
Human's who continue to play the game, invite stronger/harder game events..
I've often thought that our life plan is almost like a rollercoaster of sorts. Once you choose to incarnate, you are strapped into your seat, and then all these experiences/catalysts are offered to you. But the rollercoaster has a set trajectory (in terms of time/space events) and it's not a question of what will unfold, but rather when, in terms of the life circumstances that are most conducive to 'manfest' those physical experiences.
So in the words you wrote above (quoted), it's like 'here's your plate of food'; if you don't want to eat it now, we'll just bring it back later
RE: Free Will Denial - Jade - 09-05-2015
Interesting premise, a lot of it rings true. We do come to 3D to experience the "lack", including, I would think, the illusion of lack of free will. Our Higher selves are the ones who really have the free will, and make the decisions - it was their freewill to choose to incarnate as a singular entity, and yes as humans we are stuck with that - which is why I think work in consciousness is so important, because as we communicate more with our higher selves and bring that part of us into our 3D lives, I think that is what allows us more and more "free will". The higher self just recognizes the trappings of the illusion better than we do.
I think we have free will, BUT, the illusion has a lag time, a delay in manifestation. The delay is getting less and less as we move closer to 4D. But the delay gives us the "illusion" that we don't create our own reality, so we have so many conflicting thoughts that go back and forth (Is earth heaven? Or hell? Or heaven? Or hell? It'll reflect both back and forth if you don't make up your mind! Or if you decide that it's hell...)
I think this is reflective of faith being the gateway to the indigo ray. We can manifest our desires but we must have faith in the system that it will come through. Of course, when that faith has been battered and trampled it's hard to find it again, but I think it is one of the most important components.
I don't think you're a monster or an a******.
RE: Free Will Denial - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-05-2015
You're welcome! I'm having a pretty good bout of depression right now so please forgive my mannerism of defeatism. I wish I could have gone to Homecoming...
That line of reasoning, 'Here's your plate of food' makes me think in my context of those people in prison's who are force-fed. Because it's not the same as 'If you don't want to eat it now, we'll just bring it back later' for many, or at least how they perceive it. It's closer to:
"I don't wish to eat anymore..."
"Too bad, here's more, eat up or else."
"Or else what?"
"Well after a while we'll force feed you. Then you'll get even more and we'll try again."
This lesson learned is valid, "by doing nothing you invite the worst possible outcome." It's no different here, if you refuse to eat, you get punished for it. They might bring it back later, but eventually they'll force you to eat, trying to teach you the lesson, then restart the cycle.
Do you see how some might perceive reality in that way?
RE: Free Will Denial - AnthroHeart - 09-05-2015
Earth is somewhat of a prison planet, because we can't stay gone from it for long. Karmically we are attached to it, and unless we satisfy this imbalance, we're stuck. There might be a chance for a couple more incarnations on Earth before it becomes 4D totally and you have to reincarnate on another 3D planet. I just don't like that you'd have to go through another major cycle of 25,000 years. But I'm not too worried. We have beautiful things here like cartoons.
RE: Free Will Denial - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-05-2015
(09-05-2015, 12:34 PM)Jade Wrote: Interesting premise, a lot of it rings true. We do come to 3D to experience the "lack", including, I would think, the illusion of lack of free will. Our Higher selves are the ones who really have the free will, and make the decisions - it was their freewill to choose to incarnate as a singular entity, and yes as humans we are stuck with that - which is why I think work in consciousness is so important, because as we communicate more with our higher selves and bring that part of us into our 3D lives, I think that is what allows us more and more "free will". The higher self just recognizes the trappings of the illusion better than we do.
I think we have free will, BUT, the illusion has a lag time, a delay in manifestation. The delay is getting less and less as we move closer to 4D. But the delay gives us the "illusion" that we don't create our own reality, so we have so many conflicting thoughts that go back and forth (Is earth heaven? Or hell? Or heaven? Or hell? It'll reflect both back and forth if you don't make up your mind! Or if you decide that it's hell...)
I think this is reflective of faith being the gateway to the indigo ray. We can manifest our desires but we must have faith in the system that it will come through. Of course, when that faith has been battered and trampled it's hard to find it again, but I think it is one of the most important components.
I don't think you're a monster or an a******.
I'm not a monster, I just have parts of me that are.
Regarding the Faith and the Indigo Ray, the mechanics work for love or hate. If you peer through that gateway without a disciplined mind and intent, you will see some of the most horrific terrible things you can imagine, I only know because it was my doing so right out of Work in Consciousness while my system was still completely open that I completely terrorized my mind. You could ask Yera, I basically had a complete mental collapse while talking to her trying to make sense of the dimensions of pain and suffering I was witnessing. I even asked Plenum before that the time that all started happening to give me a bit of healing from his services because some part of me saw it coming. I still attribute Plenum's healing service as the only reason I survived that experience...
That and Yera's kindness towards my insanity.
I agree on the lag time, but I think you misunderstand that I do not view Earth as fully Hell. In my Frame of Mind, Earth IS Heaven and Hell, it contains both. From that I surmised Heaven and Hell are too illusions (or essentially the equally real realms of heaven like existence and hell like existence, real in that they're constructs like Earth; Real Illusions, or a Real/Illusion Construct.) So in my mind it isn't, is Earth Heaven, Hell, Heaven, Hell. It's more like, I see Hell, I see Heaven, I don't understand Hell, why does it exist? What's it's reason for being? Why must they suffer? Why do they desire to suffer? I don't understand. Now I'm in Hell trying to understand and it's FRICKIN HELL. (lol)
But there are premises that are terrifying to consider, this was one of them. I dislike it, greatly but many are caught in it's gravity-well like constructed-belief.
It explains the Human perspective of Existence for MANY on this Earth, even if they aren't aware of a belief system, they feel the same suffering this place incites, only they're literally stuck in it. I have a decent life, I can back away, go watch netflix or smoke or lay down in a comfy bed and try to relax. They can't. They are suffering relentlessly Hell-like.
That is why I look so much despite the pain. I can't comprehend why the Creator would desire this level of suffering, or derive pleasure from it. I mean, I comprehend the idea and ideals behind it, vampirism and such, but...Why?
I'm stuck, it's the same question at a different area.
I always come back to this question Jade. "Why?"
I do not know. I fear I will never discover the utter true answer, the Truth behind 'Why?' Imagine a kid asking you Why endlessly, that kid was and is me. I ask Why, and sometimes there is no answer, and that is unacceptable to me. This might not be the density of understanding, but for the most part, I understand. So I seek Truth. (I jokingly call it Truth Seeking)
I've discovered a few things here and there, let the creative parts play out scenarios.
But I just don't know anymore. It all, the suffering, it makes me so sad. So mad. So attached... So sorrowful. I imagine what if that were I.
It doesn't feel good. Why would the Creator desire such??
Gemini: I don't desire to be stuck, why must I perform like an athlete to be half-way to Pure Love or almost completely selfish just to leave?? This isn't Free Will sounding to me.
RE: Free Will Denial - AnthroHeart - 09-05-2015
Some things you just can't manifest in 3D. That's not total free will either.
RE: Free Will Denial - APeacefulWarrior - 09-05-2015
Here's my little take on how free will fits into a linear universe where, on higher levels, the outcome is already known.
OK, so imagine a great nested web of ALL the quantum possibilities of every eventuality that could ever arise in our dimensions. Everything that ever could be, superimposed and interconnected. And every one of us, a tiny dot of light tracing down those webs, following turn after turn after turn, at fork after fork after fork, as we each weave through one timeline of the many potential timelines that can exist. Each dot is a perspective on a system too large to be fully glimpsed by any one.
Those turnings are free will. Those turnings are choices. Those turnings are each spark of light - each perspective on life - going down the exact path it chooses to take from moment to moment. There's no need for one dot to go down paths it doesn't want to experience, because there's another spark behind it making the other choice. And another and another and another, making choice after choice after choice.
The branches are pre-set, the emergent outcome of our reality reinforcing itself. They are the totality of the actions of each individual actor defining the paths available to everyone else. That karmic structure is already fully extant on higher levels. But the paths within the structure are still there for us sparks to explore, and still have to be explored so that the whole can be eventually known, because they can only be seen from within.
Each of us comes into life without a map, taking each turn almost blindly, but still willfully. And as an entity grows in wisdom and experience, it can ever-so-slowly start to perceive -or at least visualize- those interrelationships, and start to see the forks far enough ahead to start planning a deliberate path, rather than acting as karmic pachinko balls. Then once an entity can start choosing incarnations for itself, that's not a violation of free will, but an embrace of it. It represents greater understanding of the larger structure, and deliberately picking a particular set of paths from the outset that seems interesting to explore.
But it can seem dictatorial to us, on Earth, since we have to sacrifice the memory of that choosing upon incarnating.
The more cognizant someone becomes of the pathways and interconnections around them, the more they can give real direction to their lives. The more they can understand the choices they've made, they can then see how those choices have created the forks and branches to come. As the Oracle said, you can't see past a choice you don't understand... but that understanding is still possible. By understanding the web of choices, an entity/spark can start deliberately seeking out the experiences they want or need, by basically giving themselves better maps beforehand.
As I see it, Free Will isn't simply a law, it's something to strive for. The more someone understands the web around them, the more freely they can exercise their will, and the more keenly they can explore this great construct we call life.
RE: Free Will Denial - AnthroHeart - 09-05-2015
Remember that our will is also Creator's will.
RE: Free Will Denial - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-05-2015
That is probably one of the best explanations I have ever been given. Thank you.
I'll need to think this through. I think I'll sleep on it.
RE: Free Will Denial - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-05-2015
What is Creator, in your opinion Gem?
RE: Free Will Denial - AnthroHeart - 09-05-2015
Creator is the Creation, according to Ra.
It is the glue that holds everything together. Pure consciousness.
RE: Free Will Denial - Aion - 09-05-2015
It's all a blank canvas and you paint whatever you want. You can spend as long as you want working on this one picture until eventually you either decide you're done with it and move on to a new picture or you endlessly put layers and layers and layers down on one picture until it is so muddled with chaos that it can hardly be distinguished as being anything.
I mean this in the greatest love, but you've got a big messy picture here. Maybe it's time to start fresh?
RE: Free Will Denial - Aion - 09-05-2015
Also, although the question was not for me I might say for myself that I think Creator is a concept we have applied in order to move towards understanding the Mystery at the core of our beings. It is, so far, just the most sensible and sensical hypothesis. However, I believe the Mystery will ever been apprehended in wider and more subtle ways. Perhaps eventually the idea of the Creator will eventually give way to a more subtle concept.
RE: Free Will Denial - Aion - 09-05-2015
I have one other thought, and it appears to me you are equating a lack of free will with a finite number of choices to choose from. However, free will doesn't define that you should have all options available at all times, it only determines that you get to choose. You do choose, whether you are satisfied with the choices or not. Even completely unaware of yourself outside of this incarnation you choose. You choose for a variety of reasons based on the needs and desires indwelling or stemming from each part of yourself.
The fact that you have biases doesn't negate the fact that you are choosing. However, I might frame this thought in a way, why do I use my free will in a limited manner?
Do we assume free will must be infinite to be free? I like to think polarity is actually the 'force' behind free will. Free will at its base level is just scattered chaos, but when it is focused through Logos/Love it becomes concentrated and forceful. Thus, the two ways to build force in free will are by interacting and exchanging energy with others, the One meeting the One in the other, or by us as the One interacting with ourselves, the One meeting the One that way. Either of these can be used for negative or positive polarization.
Ra even said that our people have a tendency to frame philosophy according to morals and ethics and this is why service to self and service to others was the most pithy explanation they could offer. Consider that had the channelers had a different approach to philosophy they may have gotten a different answer, but it seems to be suggested that the peoples of our planet in general have this bias. Ra later of course added other analogies to aid in the understanding of polarity beyond these ethical, behavioural terms such as having to do with the magnet and electrical fields.
RE: Free Will Denial - Kaaron - 09-05-2015
I could go into great detail as I have been exactly where you are.
I held Gnosticism as my core belief structure for a few years.
I saw my surroundings as nothing more than distractions put there by the demiurge.
I felt like the beauty people place on a rose, for example, is based on societal propaganda more than the creation of a flower, as this is just illusory, blinding us to the fact that the true reality existed in the true, non-physical realm. I mean, my sons name is Aeon.
Having said that, my advice is simple:
1. Find a place of love in yourself.
2. Ask a humble question of pure intent.
3. Don't expect anything.
This is true seeking that will bring you the answers you yearn for. Well it's the only thing that helped my external answers be of a more positive origin.
RE: Free Will Denial - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-06-2015
Tanner:
I think the picture in my mind is pretty basic.
There's a thing, its illusion. With complex existence intelligently designed to mask that its illusion.
Its not a bad illusion, but many could feel and perceive it as a sort of prison, if not ultimately temporary then longer stayed than expected.
I don't really allow much social views in anymore, otherwise I'd be a secret racist who desired greedily to want more over others, to be drunk rather than high (or crossfaded) and to believe what the news tells me (some pretty messed up stuff) I'd be embarrassed of bed bugs and I'd hate myself for not being underwear model status.
Society too makes no sense to me and I see why. Its all fake, worse than illusion, its not even real, just a very amorphous carbon copy of how to be. Not the society for me.
I love that your son's name is Aeon!!! Thats so cool
!Half my book The Truth was originally structured around Gnosticism. I know it only so much but the story of the Demiurge was beautiful to me for creative purposes.
If the One is Demiurge, what is Creator?
Tanner, you said my picture is layer after layer to the point of being messy. Isn't that the same with an octave? It goes infinitely 8 ways to the power of iinfinity. Each density in the octave is an octave itself. This entire life is just a flicker or Moment. But its all so packed full of being intelligently designed (by us, the consciousnesses) That I wonder if its like this infinitely up the scale. Ra says they do not plumb the next octave, but knows there are beings who direct the flow of Light almost as Guardians...
Do we ever become One with the OIC as in to BE the OIC beyond just being a part of it?
Or is it all ilusion, a story to make consciousness thrive in belief and faith? I'm.okay if it is, better if it isn't. I just want to understand if I'm being lied to, and if the true source is outside of infinity in that area of paradox unification where infinite meets finite and become eternal together. Or something -just woke up and clearly needs more time to wake up-
RE: Free Will Denial - Kaaron - 09-06-2015
Do what makes you feel good. If seeing the illusion as a cycle you want to escape from feels good, follow that path. If seeing all as one in a beautiful imaginary thought floats your boat, you're probably gonna want to keep on thinking that.
Personally, I find feeling love and humility before contemplation seems to help draw more positive offerings of inspiration, if you know what I mean.
RE: Free Will Denial - Kaaron - 09-06-2015
This is my take on Gnosticism.
Yahweh was trying to create an environment where people could evolve at a faster rate. s*** went south thanks to the Orion group. It took an even further tumble when 3600 years ago they PRETENDED to be Yahweh when appearing to Abraham. There has been constant interference. I believe it was Joseph that the confederation contacted that Ra refers to. If you check the generations between him n Abraham, it adds up. Joseph always gives credit to the creator aswell.
Anyway, I feel like some beings helped Cain found Sumeria and introduced concepts like money, law and such. I'd say this is the true demiurge.
The system was, in my opinion, created by the Orion group, or shadow powering the demiurgal concept. They appeared to individuals in the bible as miraculous things like burning bushes etc. and tell them to murder or conquer.
The confederation seems to appear to those "transfigured in the spirit". It's (the bible) interesting if you read it like this. Especially Ezekiel n Revelation where it describes the confederation down to the 24 elders as they're called as well as an eagle headed being over them all who I believe represents Ra, the others, different social memory complexes of the confederation, with an animal representative of their respective constellations - Leo, Taurus etc.
The Demiurge concept is true in the sense that an entity created the world (system) we live in and the conditions that keep us trapped here longer...I'd even go as far as to say it (or they-think Enki n Enlil) messed with our DNA to dumb us down so, in a sense, they DID create us, or our current limited perspective.
This doesn't mean everything is like this or that it created the heavens or light itself. This is just something a jealous, service to self being is trying to convince us of so that we hate that which we are.
In my opinion, of course.
RE: Free Will Denial - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-06-2015
That works for me, I can agree with that, but in context of the OIC, demiurge is still Creator, albeit seemingly the opposite kind regards Love.
I find it interesting that you put Ra at the eagle-headed top figure, could you explain why?
I think I'm just exploring different concepts of reality until I find one that doesn't just resonate with me, but that's performs as I believe it should, making a change in my mind first before attempting the heavy lifting.
I'm looking for a proper mindset I guess, exploring ones I dislikr helps. I still believe even the high realms are illusion, based that they're distortions that consciousness operates like a vehicle. Even the Higher Self might be such, stemming from actual nonvehicularly controlled consciousness (pure, not distorted).
If its a vehicle (Violet-Red) its distortion, even Ra calls herself distortion. I still think they're real, but WHY?
Then Why to that answer.
Then Why to that answer.
Then Why to that answer.
Ad infinitum until I get an answer. I seek, just as Michael Newton seeks Source or Creator, I do too.
This is an issue of searching for something...That may not actually exist, that this is all a cycle infinitely. A game.
Would explain why my life feels like a game so often. I wonder if its no different way up top (I feel it is different, but I don't know.)
RE: Free Will Denial - Kaaron - 09-06-2015
Quote:105.12Egyptian hieroglyphics depict Ra as a hawk headed being. We Maori have the story of Kahukura who came to Ruatapu before the deluge to warn him about it. Kahu means hawk and Kura, school. It also means double arched rainbow in which the upper represents male n lower female. I believe this is to do with the balanced energy of the Law of One, relating to the hawk God Kahukura or Ra as he appeared to 3rd density beings. It could be a vision seen in the mind or a physical body but I'd suggest the former as Ra states they had a golden hue and doesn't mention the hawk head.
QUESTIONER: I have come to the conclusion that the meaning of the hawk that we had about a year ago when we started to move the first time had to do with the non-benign nature, in the metaphysical sense, of the house which I had picked for the move. If it isn’t a problem with the Law of Confusion I think that it’d be philosophically interesting to know if I am correct with respect to that.
RA: I am Ra. What bird comes to affirm for Ra? What bird would be chosen to warn? We ask the questioner to ponder these queries.
An eagle and hawk are similar in appearance and I feel the different species is more a case of semantics.
RE: Free Will Denial - Aion - 09-06-2015
(09-06-2015, 12:05 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Tanner:
I think the picture in my mind is pretty basic.
There's a thing, its illusion. With complex existence intelligently designed to mask that its illusion.
Its not a bad illusion, but many could feel and perceive it as a sort of prison, if not ultimately temporary then longer stayed than expected.
I don't really allow much social views in anymore, otherwise I'd be a secret racist who desired greedily to want more over others, to be drunk rather than high (or crossfaded) and to believe what the news tells me (some pretty messed up stuff) I'd be embarrassed of bed bugs and I'd hate myself for not being underwear model status.
Society too makes no sense to me and I see why. Its all fake, worse than illusion, its not even real, just a very amorphous carbon copy of how to be. Not the society for me.
I love that your son's name is Aeon!!! Thats so cool
Half my book The Truth was originally structured around Gnosticism. I know it only so much but the story of the Demiurge was beautiful to me for creative purposes.
If the One is Demiurge, what is Creator?
Tanner, you said my picture is layer after layer to the point of being messy. Isn't that the same with an octave? It goes infinitely 8 ways to the power of iinfinity. Each density in the octave is an octave itself. This entire life is just a flicker or Moment. But its all so packed full of being intelligently designed (by us, the consciousnesses) That I wonder if its like this infinitely up the scale. Ra says they do not plumb the next octave, but knows there are beings who direct the flow of Light almost as Guardians...
Do we ever become One with the OIC as in to BE the OIC beyond just being a part of it?
Or is it all ilusion, a story to make consciousness thrive in belief and faith? I'm.okay if it is, better if it isn't. I just want to understand if I'm being lied to, and if the true source is outside of infinity in that area of paradox unification where infinite meets finite and become eternal together. Or something -just woke up and clearly needs more time to wake up-
Illusion is the excuse for experience to happen. What is illusion? It's this word thrown around to avoid dealing with the nature of direct reality and catalyst. f*** illusion, f*** reality, look right fuckin in front of you. What is right in front of you? I'll tell you what, whatever you choose to see.
If you're in hell, it's because you're addicted to hell. Hell is satisfying to you because it justifies your negative use of catalyst. You're the one creating hell. I gander through hell. I prance through hell. I laugh at suffering because its all inflicted by no one in the end. I'm cruel, sadistic and every bit of negativity and I love it.
RE: Free Will Denial - Kaaron - 09-06-2015
You may just be fully realizing that which you are not.
If this is the case, you're in for quite an acceleration in consciousness.
I went from enlightened, to somewhere about where you are, then somewhere in the middle where, I feel, true balance and oneness resides. When you realize what you are not through honest searching and experience, that which you are shines through unhindered as you know both options and are fully conscious of your decision. Otherwise you're just choosing based on an assumption that you might not like the alternative.
In the end, you walk the path not even Jesus walked...the path of the Law of One not love or light but a balanced combination that takes into account both the self AND others.
RE: Free Will Denial - Aion - 09-06-2015
P.S. I'm drunk so I'm gonna be fuckin' crazy right now.
RE: Free Will Denial - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-06-2015
(09-06-2015, 04:43 AM)Kaaron Wrote: You may just be fully realizing that which you are not.
If this is the case, you're in for quite an acceleration in consciousness.
I went from enlightened, to somewhere about where you are, then somewhere in the middle where, I feel, true balance and oneness resides. When you realize what you are not through honest searching and experience, that which you are shines through unhindered as you know both options and are fully conscious of your decision. Otherwise you're just choosing based on an assumption that you might not like the alternative.
In the end, you walk the path not even Jesus walked...the path of the Law of One not love or light but a balanced combination that takes into account both the self AND others.
The bold, and your entire post is correct essentially. Its why I'm doing this at all. I believe in the Law of One. There is more than 'I' (The One Infinite). The theme is illusion shows Balance shows Unity shows the Truth.
Balance is like a...Aphrodisiac of a concept to me. And it is my Truth, so there need be more than just I.
I don't like what I see, I hate it all and Humanity.. but because I love...maybe too much. But I Love regardless. I have an arsenal. A body. Emotions. Words. Actions. Thoughts.
I hate it but its useful. I want to leave but I can't. May as well explore Hell.
RE: Free Will Denial - Aion - 09-06-2015
I'm gonna be an a******. I think you need to get over yourself. You hate it because you hate yourself and you can't imagine that this reality is representative of yourself. So you seek to hate the reality so you don't have to acknowledge the parts of yourself that you hate. So much easier to project it externally, to hate the world, than to face your own greedy, selfishness.
Trust me, I know, I'm the most self-serving bastard on the planet.
RE: Free Will Denial - Parsons - 09-06-2015
(09-06-2015, 04:45 AM)Aion Wrote: P.S. I'm drunk so I'm gonna be fuckin' crazy right now.
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RE: Free Will Denial - Kaaron - 09-06-2015
Kinda like Leonard at the end of Memento. Realizing you're creating your own monster but enjoying the chase so much that you ignore findings that point to the contrary because it's the not knowing that gives you a sense of purpose.
RE: Free Will Denial - The_Tired_Philosopher - 09-06-2015
(09-06-2015, 05:07 AM)Aion Wrote: I'm gonna be an a******. I think you need to get over yourself. You hate it because you hate yourself and you can't imagine that this reality is representative of yourself. So you seek to hate the reality so you don't have to acknowledge the parts of yourself that you hate. So much easier to project it externally, to hate the world, than to face your own greedy, selfishness.
Trust me, I know, I'm the most self-serving bastard on the planet.
Trust me I know, I'm the most brutally honest person.
To myself.
I've already admitted I'm a monster in parts
But my true fear is being a horror as I feel. Somewhere down there I am, and I'm looking at it (down the rabbit hole) and its bad.
I'd put it on par with the stuff you and yera speak of being in past lives, only worse. A universe killer of infinity. A very deep hate and twisted sadness bleeding from anger i can't quite describe except worse than Malice.
Be an ass all you want, you're talking to one
But I also made my choice. I'd rather Love.
RE: Free Will Denial - Plenum - 09-06-2015
(09-05-2015, 12:42 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: You're welcome! I'm having a pretty good bout of depression right now so please forgive my mannerism of defeatism. I wish I could have gone to Homecoming...
I'm sure there is a time for 'rightness' for each person to attend. When the puzzle pieces line up more effortlessly (there's still effort though!), rather than presenting more hurdles.
Homecoming is certainly not a cure-all. The people here still have distortions and difficulties; those things will never end, I don't think. But it's definitely a different 'energetic space' from which to view one's own current and past life trajectory. It's effects can be quite deep, and are not limited to just attending on the weekend itself - others have said in their own accounts that the ramifications and potential changes can unfold for months (or the entire year) afterwards.
(09-05-2015, 12:42 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: That line of reasoning, 'Here's your plate of food' makes me think in my context of those people in prison's who are force-fed. Because it's not the same as 'If you don't want to eat it now, we'll just bring it back later' for many, or at least how they perceive it. It's closer to:
"I don't wish to eat anymore..."
"Too bad, here's more, eat up or else."
"Or else what?"
"Well after a while we'll force feed you. Then you'll get even more and we'll try again."
This lesson learned is valid, "by doing nothing you invite the worst possible outcome." It's no different here, if you refuse to eat, you get punished for it. They might bring it back later, but eventually they'll force you to eat, trying to teach you the lesson, then restart the cycle.
Do you see how some might perceive reality in that way?
I can definitely vibe with that viewpoint. It's very much similiar to the view of being strapped into a rollercoaster, and being on a ride/track that is predefined, and largely unchangable, once you get in.
It repeats, and almost forcibly repeats. One could be more blunt and say that it definitely forcibly repeats.
There is no exertion of Free Will in this case of: "Please make it stop. I don't want this anymore".