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Muhammed - Aion - 07-29-2015 Quote:(2.2) However, this entity’s beliefs were accepted by very few. His priests gave lip service only, without the spiritual distortion towards seeking. The peoples continued in their beliefs. When this entity was no longer in this density, again the polarized beliefs in the many gods came into their own and continued so until the one known as Muhammad delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships. I am assuming here that they are referring to the Muhammad who received the Koran. However, I find a pretty huge gap between Ra's philosophy and that which is in the Koran so I wonder if Ra is not referring to the Koran but the philosophy of Muhammed in general? RE: Muhammed - APeacefulWarrior - 07-30-2015 Have you read much of the Quran? It's easy for people to fixate on certain quotes they love to cherry-pick, but on the whole, there's a lot of good material in it as well. It was actually quite progressive for the time, and relative to a lot of the tribal customs that were being practiced. For example, despite how warlike some Muslims have managed to be, it actually has very strict rules on when war can and can't be fought, and strongly discourages being an aggressor. For that matter, it also has the first known set of rules governing the humane treatment of POWs which are roughly on par with the Geneva Conventions... when Muslms bother to follow them. Or it's easy for people to say its rules on marriage are sexist, but previously, wives basically had no rights at all and tribal warlords would sometimes collect harems of hundreds. There are actually a lot of very positive features to it in the big picture even if, like most of the old holy books, a lot of the specifics no longer really fit that well into the modern world. Plus, unlike the New Testament, we can be almost entirely certain it does accurately represent the teachings of Mohammed. Jesus's teachings were so distorted following his death we really only have the slightest idea what he actually said. It's a very complex work of philosophy which also attempts to be a spiritual and legal guide. It's not something that can be easily boiled down in a couple sentences. RE: Muhammed - Aion - 07-30-2015 Well yeah, I was reading through the Koran and sure there is lots of good material in it too (although I find the labguage, at least of the translation I have, a little weird and archaic), but I am confused by how much it talks about punishment, believers and 'unbelievers'. More specifically in relation to Ra's philosophy and mention of it. RE: Muhammed - APeacefulWarrior - 07-30-2015 Broadly speaking, I agree - that's the aspect of the Quran I have the most trouble with as well. But then again, in context, it was fighting an ideological "war" of sorts on multiple fronts: Simultaneously trying to combat the polytheistic melange of various tribal/house gods who basically just served as justifications for their tribes' behaviors, as well as the corruption Mohammed (presumably) saw in Christianity and Judaism which had led them away from higher truths. Plus, of course, while some devout Muslims don't like talking about this aspect, there are many elements of the Quran which can realistically only be seen as political compromises. He couldn't get the tribes to give up their slaves entirely, so he put strict rules on the treatment of slaves. Warlords wouldn't give up their harems, so he limited the size of their harem while giving their wives more rights. The (pagan) Kabaa was the most popular worship site -and tourist trap- in the entire Arabian peninsula, so he appropriates it as a symbol of Islam rather than tearing it down. Etc. More or less, I ask myself if there's a way the Quran could have been composed without self-righteously taking the moral high ground and still be effective as a unifying document, and I'm really not seeing another solution to the problem. It's a document that's very much a product of the time and place in which it was written, and it's trying to carry out a VERY difficult balancing act between earthly and spiritual needs. So whenever I'm browsing it, I tend to try to focus on its spiritual advice, without worrying too much about stuff that's clearly the product of 7th Century Arabian politics. RE: Muhammed - Cainite - 07-30-2015 quran was channeled and it was in a way that was dimmed necessary and effective if it was up to muhammad himself he wouldn't succeed. quran was given to savage ppl and Law of One or zohar are given to more spiritually awakened ppl at harvest.. it only makes sense btw muhammad's descendants tried to make things better! hossein was like a warrior kind of christ! and became martyr to give their ppl a sort of christian concept of sacrifice for otherself once more rest of the descendants were either jailed by negative authorities of their time or were all teachers. hossein and ali were fourth density but their children and the children of their children were more fifth density in attitude to fix the negative distortions in quran eventually RE: Muhammed - Billy - 07-30-2015 I'm not sure if it is ingrained prejudice and/or ignorance, but I find myself continuously unable to dissociate Islam with violence, hostility and judgement. Of course there is much good to be found as well but ....... I don't know, I find it hard to balance the two and not let the good be overshadowed and corrupted by the not so good. RE: Muhammed - Matt1 - 07-30-2015 From my understanding of Islam, they see that the Jeudo/Christian religions became corrupted and that the Qur'an put it right. Maybe thats to simple but from what i read on wiki, it seems to be the belief. RE: Muhammed - Aion - 07-30-2015 Well I think I am going to have to at least give the Quran and Law of One both a good read through and examine more closely from there. However, there are some key points about the culture within which the Quran was born that I hadn't properly considered. The word 'political' does very much seem to be the feel I get from the book. I think what bothers me about it is that it often seems to be talking from the perspective of the angels or the Creator and they are the ones talking about punishment, believers and unbelievers, but in my experience with angels they would never say such things so I wonder if these are fallen angels who have given the Quran. RE: Muhammed - APeacefulWarrior - 07-30-2015 (07-30-2015, 07:55 AM)Aion Wrote: I think what bothers me about it is that it often seems to be talking from the perspective of the angels or the Creator and they are the ones talking about punishment, believers and unbelievers, but in my experience with angels they would never say such things so I wonder if these are fallen angels who have given the Quran. That wouldn't really be consistent with what Ra said in 2.2, tho. At least, if the Quran were the product of negative teachings, I cannot imagine why he'd bring it up in that context. Also, the first parts of the Quran were said to be originally dictated by one of the arch-angels. (Gabriel, iirc.) Which I'd presume means a 5D or even 6D contact, rather than 4D. But later on, Mohammed started more freely composing them in his own room, without going to meditate on the mountain and such. So extrapolating greatly, I'd suggest that the enterprise may have begun as a passive channeling and later became an active one. (like the shift from Ra to Q'uo) Frankly, I really wish that someone had followed-up on that one, rather than focusing on Jesus. Learning Ra's perspective on some of the other great prophets/teachers would have been really nice. I'm also really curious about the tale of Prince Arjuna's meeting with Krishna, for that matter. If I get bored in the next few days, I might look up a list of the original transmission order of the Sura and work out which ones were before\after Mohammed stopped going up the mountain. It'd be interesting to see if the tone changed, although since I'd be working with translations it might be hard to tell. My basic hypothesis would be that the early Sura would focus on philosophy, cosmology, and the nature of God -stuff a 5D or 6D would want to talk about- whereas the later ones would be more earthly or control-based because of Mohammed having to adapt the teachings to fit his political situation. RE: Muhammed - Aion - 07-30-2015 That's an interesting hypothesis, I will contemplate that. This is exactly why I'm confused and why I think Ra probably considers this type of information transient and did not give much detail on the thought. RE: Muhammed - darklight - 07-30-2015 If people have conscience, than we don't need 'holy books' or prophets. I know the quran is distorted. Too many rules, it's designed to control people. Of course there are good things in it, but this is another sophisticated trick of the Orions. They made Abraham an insane person (contacted by the same 'Gabriel') and religious people are accepting it like a 'test'. This is not a Confederation method. RE: Muhammed - Cyclops - 07-30-2015 (07-30-2015, 04:55 PM)darklight Wrote: If people have conscience, than we don't need 'holy books' or prophets. Quote:16.19 Questioner: If this entity was positively oriented, how was the Orion group able to contact him? If the above Ra quotes hint at anything, then they are telling when applied to the quran. http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=3022 This was a thread where a former muslim (user unity100) had learned about the Law of One and debated another user who to me seemed like an active muslim(user crown) at the time on the nature of the quran and muhammed. Quote:APeacefulWarrior: There is a follow up with Q'uo which is a group containing Ra. Quote:Q'uo Sunday Meditation March 25, 2007 Quote:Questioner: Was Yahweh then of the Confederation? Quote:Q'uo Sunday Meditation September 13, 1987 Quote:Q'uo Sunday Meditation October 3, 2004 Quote:Q'uo Special Meditation July 16, 2005 RE: Muhammed - third-density-being - 07-30-2015 Hello, As I understand it, Muhammad introduced One God in the multi-gods-environment. That was THE most important for/from the perspective of Ra, as it was aligned with “Oneness”. The content of the ideology itself was secondary. I’ve watched once quite good movie about that period: "The Message" (1977) All I have Best in me for You |