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Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Jeremy - 05-26-2015
My girlfriend and I were talking about a subject came up which left me a bit confused. If a mid 6th density entity is given the ability to create an individuated portion of itself to give back to the Creator along with working upon whatever imbalances that remain within it, what happens if this mid 6th density entity or SMC achieves graduation? What happens to it individuated portion of itself that remains in the lower densities? If a higher self ceases being a higher self, would the individuated portion cease to exist? Would it still be considered a higher self once 7th density is reached or does its individuated portion eventually catch up to its higher self before such graduation occurs?
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Aion - 05-27-2015
I think the higher self is the self at a certain density so when you are of that density you are your higher self moving in to timelessness (Ra says the higher self is positioned as the last 'looking back to aid the self' before turning to focus on the gate of the seventh) and so you will actually perceive all your lives simultaneously. Later in seventh you will create the higher self for the lower density incarnations.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Jeremy - 05-27-2015
So this has confused me a bit further.
Ra: I am Ra. To simplify this concept is our intent. The higher self is a manifestation given to the late sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex as a gift from its future selfness. The mid-seventh density’s last action before turning towards the allness of the Creator and gaining spiritual mass is to give this resource to the sixth-density self, moving as you measure time in the stream of time.
This self, the mind/body/spirit complex of late sixth density, has then the honor/duty of using both the experiences of its total living bank or memory of experienced thoughts and actions, and using the resource of the mind/body/spirit complex totality left behind as a type of infinitely complex thought-form.
In this way you may see your self, your higher self or Oversoul, and your mind/body/spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. The only distinction is that of your time/space continuum. All are the same being
So is Ra saying that the late 6th density entities is given the higher self from its future self in 7th density before returning to the source then that 6th density entity created it's self again in lower densities?
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Matt1 - 05-27-2015
The thing people always forget about the higher self, is that it is the self. It is already happening, your already it, there is no higher or lower self. So why put it off?
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - bosphorus - 05-27-2015
As far as i understand, at the graduation to 7th, if not postponed, soul becomes unified and one with higher self. as no need for HS in 7d and further
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Jeremy - 05-27-2015
So does the late 6th/mid 7th density higher self wait for its individuated portion that is in a lower density to catch up? Then once it catches up, it melds into completeness to offer itself back to the Creator?
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Indigo Light - 05-27-2015
Lol there is no time or catch up. There is simultaneous now. There is no saparation from the perceived higher and lower selves. To me it resonates with easier understanding, to see in actuality the 3rd density being you are right now. Is but a focus of your higher self. Much like how all of this is a focus of the creator. There is no catch up to be done, there is realization, that you have been this the whole time. Is closer to a concept that can be transmitted through speach. Understand it is much more unfathomable and infintily more beautiful then my plain words.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Indigo Light - 05-27-2015
It also like the higher is an analog consultant that plans and does all the things your not aware of, until you become aware of them. Its like how your body is on automatic for alot of the systems within. You can actually take control of these systems. Then once you relize/aware/become 6th density, you Will then move forward working on what you work on in 6th density.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Indigo Light - 05-27-2015
Also there are infinite octaves with new experiences. Its not like you finish this one, and are done forever. No we will continue to move through experience after experience after experience. With intermittent periods as the whole one infinite creator.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - AnthroHeart - 05-27-2015
Those intermittent periods with the one Creator are way too short.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Lighthead - 05-27-2015
(05-27-2015, 12:18 PM)Indigo Light Wrote: Also there are infinite octaves with new experiences. Its not like you finish this one, and are done forever. No we will continue to move through experience after experience after experience. With intermittent periods as the whole one infinite creator.
Your post made me thought spiral about some other stuff. It made me realize that all the octaves have a large period away from awareness of the Creator. It's just that each octave is dealing with a certain set of challenges that it has set up for itself. Very fascinating.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Jeremy - 05-27-2015
Generally I don't care to concern myself over what I consider transient material but it has piqued my curiosity lol
Relative to one in 3rd density, there is still a sense of time within the confines of time/space. I know that true simultaneity exists but as this passage notes, our higher self is still our future self thus relative to time/space and incarnationally speaking, there is a linear measurement of time.
36.6 Questioner: Then the higher self operates from the future as we understand things. In other words my higher self would operate from what I consider to be my future? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. From the standpoint of your space/time, this is correct
Maybe I'm a bit confused from over thinking it or just way off base in my thinking lol.
Now that I reread my second post a few times, I get the concept that we exist simultaneously within all densities. I get that we are both our higher self and self relative to our current incarnation.
Get ready for a monster run on sentence lol
Then my next question is that if ones 7th density self, in service, gives this totality complex back to its self in mid 6th density, then this mid 6th density creates a thought-form where it creates a 3rd density portion of itself so that it may not only be more of service to the Creator but to work upon imbalances upon itself, where does this loop stop? If such a loop exists, how can this octave ever end?
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Lighthead - 05-27-2015
(05-27-2015, 02:10 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Get ready for a monster run on sentence lol
Then my next question is that if ones 7th density self, in service, gives this totality complex back to its self in mid 6th density, then this mid 6th density creates a thought-form where it creates a 3rd density portion of itself so that it may not only be more of service to the Creator but to work upon imbalances upon itself, where does this loop stop? If such a loop exists, how can this octave ever end?
You're trying to understand time from a human perspective. There really is no such thing as time. The present is all that matters. Your present right now is a conglomeration of the past, present and future as well as all your other selves.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Minyatur - 05-27-2015
(05-27-2015, 12:18 PM)Indigo Light Wrote: Also there are infinite octaves with new experiences. Its not like you finish this one, and are done forever. No we will continue to move through experience after experience after experience. With intermittent periods as the whole one infinite creator.
Creation is but the greatest adventure the One Dreamer could experience. Nothingness is void of meaning.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Minyatur - 05-27-2015
(05-27-2015, 12:45 PM)Lighthead Wrote:(05-27-2015, 12:18 PM)Indigo Light Wrote: Also there are infinite octaves with new experiences. Its not like you finish this one, and are done forever. No we will continue to move through experience after experience after experience. With intermittent periods as the whole one infinite creator.
Your post made me thought spiral about some other stuff. It made me realize that all the octaves have a large period away from awareness of the Creator. It's just that each octave is dealing with a certain set of challenges that it has set up for itself. Very fascinating.
If you take into account that we've all gove through infinite Octaves of beingness prior to this one. It makes even more sense.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - anagogy - 05-27-2015
(05-26-2015, 10:04 PM)Jeremy Wrote: My girlfriend and I were talking about a subject came up which left me a bit confused. If a mid 6th density entity is given the ability to create an individuated portion of itself to give back to the Creator along with working upon whatever imbalances that remain within it, what happens if this mid 6th density entity or Social Memory Complex achieves graduation? What happens to it individuated portion of itself that remains in the lower densities? If a higher self ceases being a higher self, would the individuated portion cease to exist? Would it still be considered a higher self once 7th density is reached or does its individuated portion eventually catch up to its higher self before such graduation occurs?
The mid seventh density being, before turning towards the all ness of the creator, gives this resource to the late sixth density self. The higher self, though, is of a mid sixth density consciousness profile. It is not properly a "developing" or "ascendant" entity. It is an infinitely complex thoughtform projection. Think of it kind of like the holodeck on star trek. It is a projection that merely assists. But the holodeck analogy falls short in some ways because it isn't like the higher self is unconscious. It is acutely conscious, but it not the type of consciousness that is still trying to accumulate new experiences.
(05-26-2015, 10:04 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Then my next question is that if ones 7th density self, in service, gives this totality complex back to its self in mid 6th density, then this mid 6th density creates a thought-form where it creates a 3rd density portion of itself so that it may not only be more of service to the Creator but to work upon imbalances upon itself, where does this loop stop? If such a loop exists, how can this octave ever end?
Complicated to explain, but the loop never stops, it is merely transcended for a broader orbit of infinity (the octave density: ∞ ). Your questions are awesome, but the answers are something that have to be felt to truly understand. Having offered that caveat, I will attempt a crude verbal explanation.
Everything that could exist, does exist (in infinity). However, in practical experience, unity is like a giant equation that always finds some way of balancing itself. So lets say you create a kind of illusory duality. You now have two sides of an equation, but the net balance always has to come out to unity. You make a change to one side of the equation, and another change is reflexively made to the other side to balance the equation. It is automatic, and reflexive. The one can never become not one, except in illusion. This is why the equation is self balancing.
Anyway, I don't know if this analogy is making this any more understandable, but what we think of as "infinite recursion" of higher selves assisting "past selves" are just appearances. In other words, more illusions of manyness (albeit more subtle illusions of the time/space variety). It is like turning mirrors onto mirrors and creating reflections within reflections within reflections ad infinitum.
As long as one is enmired in a the illusion of manyness, there will be seeming "future selves" assisting seeming "past selves" because the equation must be balanced, and these are the reflexive balancing manifestations being reflexively generated by the focusing of infinity in some direction or the other.
Well, I tried.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Jeremy - 05-27-2015
Nice brother! Very nice
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Lighthead - 05-27-2015
(05-27-2015, 03:03 PM)anagogy Wrote:(05-26-2015, 10:04 PM)Jeremy Wrote: Then my next question is that if ones 7th density self, in service, gives this totality complex back to its self in mid 6th density, then this mid 6th density creates a thought-form where it creates a 3rd density portion of itself so that it may not only be more of service to the Creator but to work upon imbalances upon itself, where does this loop stop? If such a loop exists, how can this octave ever end?
Complicated to explain, but the loop never stops, it is merely transcended for a broader orbit of infinity (the octave density: ∞ ). Your questions are awesome, but the answers are something that have to be felt to truly understand. Having offered that caveat, I will attempt a crude verbal explanation.
Everything that could exist, does exist (in infinity). However, in practical experience, unity is like a giant equation that always finds some way of balancing itself. So lets say you create a kind of illusory duality. You now have two sides of an equation, but the net balance always has to come out to unity. You make a change to one side of the equation, and another change is reflexively made to the other side to balance the equation. It is automatic, and reflexive. The one can never become not one, except in illusion. This is why the equation is self balancing.
I like this analogy. It makes me think of the Hegelian dialectic: Action; Reaction; Synthesis. I've been thinking about the Hegelian dialectic a lot recently (yesterday and today).
Edit: Actually the Hegelian dialectic was different (I looked it up). His version was: Abstract; Negative; Concrete. But it more or less follows the same idea.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Indigo Light - 05-27-2015
Ra said for your understanding as well Jeremy. There is no way to convey such concepts. But to perceive them. This is also why you cant always lean on the Ra material. He openly admits there are distortions. Concepts that are different then there true form. It is ok to search past the Ra material.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Indigo Light - 05-27-2015
Like I told my father when I was 8, I remember telling him, "daddy I believe all the answers are in here."
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Indigo Light - 05-27-2015
Also what you associate yourself with being time, is majorly comprised of cycles. Given names and numbers.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Stranger - 05-27-2015
(05-27-2015, 01:39 AM)Tan.rar Wrote: I think the higher self is the self at a certain density so when you are of that density you are your higher self moving in to timelessness (Ra says the higher self is positioned as the last 'looking back to aid the self' before turning to focus on the gate of the seventh) and so you will actually perceive all your lives simultaneously. Later in seventh you will create the higher self for the lower density incarnations.
As it has been explained to me, the Higher Self is almost what you might consider a recording, like a Holodeck character on Star Trek. It can be interacted with and can cogently synthesize its experience into replies and actions, but does not possess the spirit-essence that would allow it to continue creating, which is the function of the spirit. Its knowledge base is the sum total of all experiences in all incarnations.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Aion - 05-27-2015
(05-27-2015, 08:02 PM)Stranger Wrote:(05-27-2015, 01:39 AM)Tan.rar Wrote: I think the higher self is the self at a certain density so when you are of that density you are your higher self moving in to timelessness (Ra says the higher self is positioned as the last 'looking back to aid the self' before turning to focus on the gate of the seventh) and so you will actually perceive all your lives simultaneously. Later in seventh you will create the higher self for the lower density incarnations.
As it has been explained to me, the Higher Self is almost what you might consider a recording, like a Holodeck character on Star Trek. It can be interacted with and can cogently synthesize its experience into replies and actions, but does not possess the spirit-essence that would allow it to continue creating, which is the function of the spirit. Its knowledge base is the sum total of all experiences in all incarnations.
Yeah I think when you hit the same vibration as that you basically merge and become the same thing. According to your perception at that point there would no longer be a 'higher self' in that sense but I do wonder if you would become aware of your seventh density self.
I find it interesting that Ra talks about the guardians, their teachers from the next octave as though they are unaware that those guardians are also themselves.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Jeremy - 05-27-2015
Yea I had no idea that the higher self wasn't an actual spirit version of one's self. I also assumed it was simply us in future time and by us I mean out MBS totality instead of some holographic representation. Guess this is why I stick to the basics and not concern myself with parts of the material that don't pertain to my current incarnation lol
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Aion - 05-27-2015
Ra describes it as a thought-form which is given to the sixth-density self from the seventh-density self as a tool for aiding the 'looking back' process in aiding the lower density selves.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Indigo Light - 05-27-2015
I find it interesting that Ra talks about the guardians, their teachers from the next octave as though they are unaware that those guardians are also themselves.
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I find that interesting as well, I think Ra speaks on the guardians with great reference. This manifesting seemingly to us as if he speaks, as if he perceived them separately.
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - BlatzAdict - 05-28-2015
you know how you beat a game and the game asks you to save your game before either playing the epilogue, or loading that save file for the sequel to continue the story?
I think the higher self is the save file. lol
RE: Does a higher self cease its role once graduation occurs? - Aion - 05-28-2015
Yeah and every time you reincarnate it's a New Game+.