(02-07-2015, 11:39 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(02-07-2015, 02:21 AM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I do see some alternate interpretations of that statement.

At the risk of thread derailment, would you be willing to elaborate?

Quote:36.24 Questioner: I’ll just ask one little short one that you may not be able to answer before the final… The short one is, can you tell me what percentage of the Wanderers on Earth today have been successful in penetrating the memory block and becoming aware who they are, and then finally, is there anything that we can do to make the instrument more comfortable or improve the contact?

Ra: I am Ra. We can approximate the percentage of those penetrating intelligently their status. This is between eight and one-half and nine and three-quarters percent. There is a larger percentile group of those who have a fairly well defined, shall we say, symptomology indicating to them that they are not of this, shall we say, “insanity.” This amounts to a bit over fifty percent of the remainder. Nearly one-third of the remainder are aware that something about them is different, so you see there are many gradations of awakening to the knowledge of being a Wanderer. We may add that it is to the middle and first of these groups that this information will, shall we say, make sense.

(02-17-2015, 06:27 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote:

Quote:36.24 Questioner: I’ll just ask one little short one that you may not be able to answer before the final… The short one is, can you tell me what percentage of the Wanderers on Earth today have been successful in penetrating the memory block and becoming aware who they are, and then finally, is there anything that we can do to make the instrument more comfortable or improve the contact?

Ra: I am Ra. We can approximate the percentage of those penetrating intelligently their status. This is between eight and one-half and nine and three-quarters percent. There is a larger percentile group of those who have a fairly well defined, shall we say, symptomology indicating to them that they are not of this, shall we say, “insanity.” This amounts to a bit over fifty percent of the remainder. Nearly one-third of the remainder are aware that something about them is different, so you see there are many gradations of awakening to the knowledge of being a Wanderer. We may add that it is to the middle and first of these groups that this information will, shall we say, make sense.

But suppose Ra was intending to mean the entirety of the material when they say "this information." I again would not assume that Ra intended to mean "it is only this group of people that will make sense of this material," but rather, they could mean "among wanderers, it is to these sub-groups that will make sense of this material." I don't think that exclusion of non-wanderers is implicit in their wording. Obviously, if a wanderer has not delved deep enough to be part of at least the second group, they may not be ready for information of this type. But what's to exclude non-wanderers from reaching a point where this material is accessible?

(02-17-2015, 06:27 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: One big factor which causes me to see other possible explanations is Ra's use of the words "this information." The above interpretation relies on this to refer to the Law of One as a whole. While it's possible, I would not assume it to be true, since within the context of that session, Don and Ra were not discussing the material as a whole. I would think it more likely that Ra would refer to the information being presently discussed as "this information" rather than the entire contact. 

(02-17-2015, 09:58 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: To present sixth-grade understanding to a third-grader, and to have that third-grader shout EUREKA! because, for some odd reason, it speaks to them, moves them to tears, motivates their life, clarifies their vision, and makes sense... it is likely that that third-grader has some dim, subconscious memory of once being in the sixth grade.

(02-17-2015, 09:58 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: I definitely agree with you Austin that it's not out of the question that a third-density native could grasp and "understand" this material. However I think it generally improbable given the many conceptual roadblocks (of which you and I have enumerated on varied occasions) precluding treatment of this information as legitimate, much less good.

I think that the development of all evolution - be it physical, mental, or spiritual - happens in a successive progression of steps, each one building off the one prior. The unknown is gradually penetrated by the adding of a plank, or two, at a time on the walkway of the known.

Certainly there are breakthroughs, skipping of steps, and quantum leaps forward, but by and large one does not jump from third grade to sixth grade.

To present sixth-grade understanding to a third-grader, and to have that third-grader shout EUREKA! because, for some odd reason, it speaks to them, moves them to tears, motivates their life, clarifies their vision, and makes sense... it is likely that that third-grader has some dim, subconscious memory of once being in the sixth grade.

Otherwise it would, I think, require a step-by-step working toward those higher understandings.

Which is what the wanderer, having accepted the third-density contract, still needs to do, but the (somewhat awakened) wanderer has the advantage of remembering and recognizing the fragments of the textbook that formed his previous studies.

Just some thoughts. Like you I can only speculate.

: ) GLB

(02-18-2015, 10:03 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(02-17-2015, 06:27 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: One big factor which causes me to see other possible explanations is Ra's use of the words "this information." The above interpretation relies on this to refer to the Law of One as a whole. While it's possible, I would not assume it to be true, since within the context of that session, Don and Ra were not discussing the material as a whole. I would think it more likely that Ra would refer to the information being presently discussed as "this information" rather than the entire contact. 

That's interesting.  That session is about higher selves, mind/body/spirit complex totalities, parallel universes, third-density programming, etc. -- pretty abstruse stuff that doesn't necessarily make sense even to wanderers.

(02-17-2015, 06:27 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: A common interpretation of this statement is that only wanderers, particularly the first two groups Ra describes, will make sense of the Law of One material. I do think this is a possible interpretation of this statement, but I do see some other possible interpretations of this statement. 

One big factor which causes me to see other possible explanations is Ra's use of the words "this information." The above interpretation relies on this to refer to the Law of One as a whole. While it's possible, I would not assume it to be true, since within the context of that session, Don and Ra were not discussing the material as a whole. I would think it more likely that Ra would refer to the information being presently discussed as "this information" rather than the entire contact. 

This could mean that Ra was referring to the idea of wanderers and the forgetting process itself, meaning to say that the latter group would not grasp these concepts until they awaken to a deeper part of their true nature. Ra could also be referring to Don's befuddlement from the previous question, where he expressed difficulty in grasping the concepts being discussed within this particular session. This means that by "this information," Ra could be talking about what was confusing Don, which I would take to mean those concepts in particular, not the entire contact. 

But suppose Ra was intending to mean the entirety of the material when they say "this information." I again would not assume that Ra intended to mean "it is only this group of people that will make sense of this material," but rather, they could mean "among wanderers, it is to these sub-groups that will make sense of this material." I don't think that exclusion of non-wanderers is implicit in their wording. Obviously, if a wanderer has not delved deep enough to be part of at least the second group, they may not be ready for information of this type. But what's to exclude non-wanderers from reaching a point where this material is accessible? I do think that wanderers will generally be more drawn to this type of information, but I do not think that 3rd density natives who are near harvest would not be able to grasp the material, and the same for dual-activated entities.

I will admit that these alternative explanations are fed mainly by my own bias and belief that I am not a wanderer. Obviously, if I am correct in that belief, then Ra's statement would necessarily have to be interpreted to be less exclusive to these sub-groups of wanderers. But I obviously don't have any objective proof of whether or not I'm a wanderer, only intuition and meditative investigation on the matter. I do not ignore the possibility that I am in fact a wanderer and Ra was indeed intending to say that it is only these two groups of wanderers that will understand the Ra material. But I also feel like these are valid alternative interpretations.

Are there any other interpretations you see? Do you see any faults in my alternative interpretations? I could be blinded by my bias.

(02-17-2015, 09:58 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: To present sixth-grade understanding to a third-grader, and to have that third-grader shout EUREKA! because, for some odd reason, it speaks to them, moves them to tears, motivates their life, clarifies their vision, and makes sense... it is likely that that third-grader has some dim, subconscious memory of once being in the sixth grade.

(02-18-2015, 02:10 PM)Ankh Wrote: Great post, GLB. But I was still wondering about the above. Ra did come to Egyptians because there was a call. And that call attracted sixth density to answer. Doesn't it mean that in that case their teachings can still be attractive to native third density?

(02-19-2015, 09:17 PM)dreamliner Wrote: therefore, they plan their lives accordingly while in time/space.

(02-18-2015, 05:31 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: What you're saying does make sense, and I would agree that generally, a wanderer would be more likely to have the type of eureka moment you are describing. But at the same time, I don't think that there is enough credit given to the seeking of a native 3rd density entity in your idea.

If a 3rd density entity is near harvestability, they have already done much spiritual seeking and work already, no doubt. I would not be one to assume that all spiritual texts which speak of unity in a eloquent fashion come only from wanderers, and are meant only for wanderers. I think there have been writings and understandings gained which speak about love, light, and the Law of One in various fashions. And as Ankh points out, if Ra responds to a 3rd density call and offers information to 3rd density beings, doesn't this imply that this information coming from 6th density is useful for 3rd density?

An example I would use is one that Ra used - Heraclitus. I'm not terribly familiar with his work, but I have looked into it somewhat, and there are some very striking similarities between his work and the Law of One, and Ra did say that he was able to grasp some facets of the Law of One. There's no indication in the Ra material whether or not he was a wanderer, though I think it could be inferred that he was not. Even if he was, certainly not every philosopher and student who successfully learned from his teaching, since wanderers didn't seem to be so common back then.

So in Heraclitus we have a similar understanding as the information which Ra gave to us, but there cannot be the assumption that only wanderers would really grasp his work, considering its influence throughout the ages.

I believe it would be similar with the Ra material. I believe a 3rd density entity who has lived lives of dedicated seeking may have come to some understanding of love, light, and unity to which they may see the Ra material and have that eureka moment, as their previous 3rd density experience comes back to them. The difference being that 100% of wanderers have lived lives in which this understanding is grasped, and a much smaller percentage of 3rd density entities have reached such spiritual understanding. Yet if we break the 3rd density entities down into a subgroup - those nearing harvestability - I'm sure that the percentage of them having grasped similar understandings in their past lives would go up a significant amount, and those are probably the ones who are (or could be) called to the Law of One material.

(02-18-2015, 05:31 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I would not be one to assume that all spiritual texts which speak of unity in a eloquent fashion come only from wanderers, and are meant only for wanderers.

(02-18-2015, 05:31 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I think there have been writings and understandings gained which speak about love, light, and the Law of One in various fashions.

Quote:48.10 Ra: I am Ra. ...each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors.

Quote:48.10 Ra: This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

Quote:Maj. Chadwick: It is said that one look of a Mahatma is enough; that idols, pilgrimages, etc. are not so effective. I have been here for three months, but I do not know how I have been benefited by the look of Maharshi.

Maharshi: The look has a purifying effect. Purification cannot be visualized. Just as a piece of coal takes long to be ignited, a piece of charcoal takes a short time, and a mass of gunpowder is instantaneously ignited, so it is with grades of men coming in contact with Mahatmas.

(02-17-2015, 06:27 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote:

Quote:36.24 Questioner: I’ll just ask one little short one that you may not be able to answer before the final… The short one is, can you tell me what percentage of the Wanderers on Earth today have been successful in penetrating the memory block and becoming aware who they are, and then finally, is there anything that we can do to make the instrument more comfortable or improve the contact?

Ra: I am Ra. We can approximate the percentage of those penetrating intelligently their status. This is between eight and one-half and nine and three-quarters percent. There is a larger percentile group of those who have a fairly well defined, shall we say, symptomology indicating to them that they are not of this, shall we say, “insanity.” This amounts to a bit over fifty percent of the remainder. Nearly one-third of the remainder are aware that something about them is different, so you see there are many gradations of awakening to the knowledge of being a Wanderer. We may add that it is to the middle and first of these groups that this information will, shall we say, make sense.

A common interpretation of this statement is that only wanderers, particularly the first two groups Ra describes, will make sense of the Law of One material. I do think this is a possible interpretation of this statement, but I do see some other possible interpretations of this statement. 

(02-19-2015, 11:27 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Just wanted to squeak in a quick reply to Lana before the day's activities overtake me and I don't reemerge for air until nighttime.

(02-17-2015, 09:58 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: To present sixth-grade understanding to a third-grader, and to have that third-grader shout EUREKA! because, for some odd reason, it speaks to them, moves them to tears, motivates their life, clarifies their vision, and makes sense... it is likely that that third-grader has some dim, subconscious memory of once being in the sixth grade.

(02-18-2015, 02:10 PM)Ankh Wrote: Great post, GLB. But I was still wondering about the above. Ra did come to Egyptians because there was a call. And that call attracted sixth density to answer. Doesn't it mean that in that case their teachings can still be attractive to native third density?

This is a very good point. And at first I thought it blew a gaping hole in my premise, sending the once promising idea to the bottom of the ocean. You are right, if Ra (and other Confederation sources) attempted to teach their higher understanding to third-density natives, then perhaps it isn't strictly necessary to be a wanderer in order to grasp those higher transmissions.

But then... a counterpoint came to me... are you ready for it?

According to my reading, Ra had one principal contact point on the Egyptian ground:


1.5 Ra: We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any


Who was this "one who heard and understood" and was also "in a position to decree the Law of One"?

This guy:


2.2 In the Eighteenth Dynasty, as it is known in your records of space/time distortions, we were able to contact a pharaoh, as you would call him. The man was small in life-experience on your plane and was a… what this instrument would call, Wanderer. Thus, this mind/body/spirit complex received our communication distortions and was able to blend his distortions with our own. This young entity had been given a vibratory complex of sound which vibrated in honor of a prosperous god, as this mind/body complex, which we call instrument for convenience, would call “Amun.”


So it was a wanderer that Ra contacted and it was a wanderer that "understood" Ra's message sufficiently to "blend his vibration with [their] own".

What did this wanderer do?


2.2 The entity decided that this name, being in honor of one among many gods, was not acceptable for inclusion in his vibratory sound complex. Thus, he changed his name to one which honored the sun disc. This distortion, called “Aten,” was a close distortion to our reality as we understand our own nature of mind/body/spirit complex distortion. However, it does not come totally into alignment with the intended teach/learning which was sent. This entity, Akhenaten, became convinced that the vibration of One was the true spiritual vibration and thus decreed the Law of One.

23.6 Meanwhile, the information concerning initiation and healing by crystal was being given. The one known as “Akhenaten” was able to perceive this information without significant distortion and for a time, moved, shall we say, heaven and earth in order to invoke the Law of One and to order the priesthood of these structures in accordance with the distortions of initiation and true compassionate healing. This was not to be long-lasting.


So Ra indicates that the changes Akhenaten attempted to render were not "long-lasting".

What did the (presumably) non-wanderers do with Ra's information?


2.2 ...this entity’s beliefs were accepted by very few. His priests gave lip service only, without the spiritual distortion towards seeking. The peoples continued in their beliefs. When this entity was no longer in this density, again the polarized beliefs in the many gods came into their own and continued so until the one known as Muhammad delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships.


<Drops mic>

Actually, this situation doesn't prove the point. Those of Egypt could have simply had cultural or group-mind distortions that prevented them from accepting Ra's teaching, whereas another cultural group, like Atlanteans, or their Tibetan descendants, could have accepted the higher understanding.

Perhaps on most planets third-density natives can indeed grasp higher-density understanding. Maybe it is the depth of confusion and distortion on this planet that precludes most non-wanderers from "blending their vibration" with those teachers of higher densities.

It still seems unlikely to me (though not whatsoever impossible) that those without origins in higher densities would open the Law of One and have an experience of profundity.

GLB

(02-20-2015, 07:26 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I feel sorry for Ra in a way due to their unexpected distortions. It'll take eons of time to balance them out.

(02-20-2015, 07:33 PM)Ankh Wrote:

(02-20-2015, 07:26 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I feel sorry for Ra in a way due to their unexpected distortions. It'll take eons of time to balance them out.

GW, unexpected distortions, as you called them, didn't happen among Ra social memory complex, but among Gaian societal complex. It was not foreseen by Ra, yes, but on the other hand these distortions were well recorded in the Great Record of Creation.

(02-20-2015, 07:18 PM)Ankh Wrote: You might be right, my brother, but in my understanding, the contacting of Akhenaton happened after Ra social memory complex tried to teach their philosophy by walking among us, i.e. the answering of the call of third density by sixth density to not those who are so called Wanderers:

Quote:it's odd to think that a third-density native, whether near harvestability or at the cusp of penetrating the eighth level, would read about social memory complexes, or the intensification-not-polarization of the wisdom density, or the quarantine, or the Council and experience a "click", and think to themselves, "This is bizarre, but somehow it's like I'm remembering... somehow this makes sense."

I conjecture that it makes any "sense" at all to the reader because this information contains postcards from home; albeit pale, fragmentary reflections of the actual reality of home.

Part of me thinks, how would a third-density native, who came up from second density and whose soul evolution has not moved beyond the boundary of third density, recognize these descriptions of higher densities and their workings?

That you and I are operating on the assumption that this information is legitimate in the first place bespeaks either gullibility--because we're talking about things that nothing within our known existence can verify, or something in us recognizes the veracity of Ra's statements from past, personal experience.

Quote:Austin: But suppose Ra was intending to mean the entirety of the material when they say "this information." I again would not assume that Ra intended to mean "it is only this group of people that will make sense of this material," but rather, they could mean "among wanderers, it is to these sub-groups that will make sense of this material."

(02-20-2015, 05:03 AM)ScottK Wrote: The rather silly aspect to me is that being a wanderer, in this 3d reality, cannot be proven or disproven.  Perhaps one may have the belief that they are a wanderer by their own discernment, but that does not make it so with reliability (hypnotic regression probably being the only marginally reliable way of finding out for sure).  I'm not crazy about the term regardless as it's kind of a new-age conferring of status - just what this world needs - another way to perceive yourself as better than another self.  In fact, believing that one is not a wanderer would probably be a more powerful belief from a spiritual growth perspective.

For me, a wonderful philosophy has been put forth by L/L.  Some will gravitate to said philosophy - the majority will not..  And that's about as far as I would think of the question, since it really doesn't matter where we all came from - it only matters that we are all here now..

Just my opinion..

(02-23-2015, 09:15 PM)mjlabadia Wrote: Could the information in the Law of One contain a similar "encoding"? Not intentionally, but just by the very nature of the information?

(02-20-2015, 02:22 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:

(02-18-2015, 05:31 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: What you're saying does make sense, and I would agree that generally, a wanderer would be more likely to have the type of eureka moment you are describing. But at the same time, I don't think that there is enough credit given to the seeking of a native 3rd density entity in your idea.

If a 3rd density entity is near harvestability, they have already done much spiritual seeking and work already, no doubt. I would not be one to assume that all spiritual texts which speak of unity in a eloquent fashion come only from wanderers, and are meant only for wanderers. I think there have been writings and understandings gained which speak about love, light, and the Law of One in various fashions. And as Ankh points out, if Ra responds to a 3rd density call and offers information to 3rd density beings, doesn't this imply that this information coming from 6th density is useful for 3rd density?

An example I would use is one that Ra used - Heraclitus. I'm not terribly familiar with his work, but I have looked into it somewhat, and there are some very striking similarities between his work and the Law of One, and Ra did say that he was able to grasp some facets of the Law of One. There's no indication in the Ra material whether or not he was a wanderer, though I think it could be inferred that he was not. Even if he was, certainly not every philosopher and student who successfully learned from his teaching, since wanderers didn't seem to be so common back then.

So in Heraclitus we have a similar understanding as the information which Ra gave to us, but there cannot be the assumption that only wanderers would really grasp his work, considering its influence throughout the ages.

I believe it would be similar with the Ra material. I believe a 3rd density entity who has lived lives of dedicated seeking may have come to some understanding of love, light, and unity to which they may see the Ra material and have that eureka moment, as their previous 3rd density experience comes back to them. The difference being that 100% of wanderers have lived lives in which this understanding is grasped, and a much smaller percentage of 3rd density entities have reached such spiritual understanding. Yet if we break the 3rd density entities down into a subgroup - those nearing harvestability - I'm sure that the percentage of them having grasped similar understandings in their past lives would go up a significant amount, and those are probably the ones who are (or could be) called to the Law of One material.

Note: bolding of your words is my own.

(02-18-2015, 05:31 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I would not be one to assume that all spiritual texts which speak of unity in a eloquent fashion come only from wanderers, and are meant only for wanderers.

Oh, nor would I. Which is why I didn't say "all spiritual texts", or speak in the absolute tone of "only".

I am otherwise in alignment with your thought, but will submit further material upon which our minds may chew.

(02-18-2015, 05:31 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I think there have been writings and understandings gained which speak about love, light, and the Law of One in various fashions.

Agreed. I think there are reflections on love, light, and unity contained within all the orthodox religions, within visionary art, poetry, and literature, and much more immediate understandings of love, light, and unity available to the seeker who endeavors the disciplined seeking of silence.

In Ra's case, though, they also paint a picture that provides a conceptual roadmap of the densities, and in this schematic they describe the happenings, comings, goings, and roles of the characters within the great play of creation.

It's odd to think that a third-density native, whether near harvestability or at the cusp of penetrating the eighth level, would read about social memory complexes, or the intensification-not-polarization of the wisdom density, or the quarantine, or the Council and experience a "click", and think to themselves, "This is bizarre, but somehow it's like I'm remembering... somehow this makes sense."

I conjecture that it makes any "sense" at all to the reader because this information contains postcards from home; albeit pale, fragmentary reflections of the actual reality of home.

Part of me thinks, how would a third-density native, who came up from second density and whose soul evolution has not moved beyond the boundary of third density, recognize these descriptions of higher densities and their workings?

That you and I are operating on the assumption that this information is legitimate in the first place bespeaks either gullibility--because we're talking about things that nothing within our known existence can verify, or something in us recognizes the veracity of Ra's statements from past, personal experience.

(No, Gary is not emotionally attached to whether or not he is a wanderer; less so as to whether or not Austin is a wanderer.)


Yet, at the same time, perhaps it could avail itself as sensical to the sensible person because it is inherently logical. I'm not a pro philosopher, but were I, I would probably know what qualities and rules constitute good logic - internal consistency being one of them, perhaps; capacity to maintain integrity when assaulted with challenge, another; its ability to cope with paradox, yet another.

Whatever the rules and tests of advanced logic, I would wager that Ra's words would leap over those hurtles with resounding and flying colors.

In that respect, then, perhaps past experience isn't strictly necessary. One could recognize the elegance of the system simply by its own inherent virtue, and find credence therein.

Also, in moving further down your line of thought... Ra talks about this:

Quote:48.10 Ra: I am Ra. ...each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors.

I've never fully understood the correlation between the energy centers, the subtle bodies, and the densities, but judging by that statement, it seems that from the springboard of third density (thanks to the veil), the entity can gain understanding/experience which is far beyond what is statistically usual for natives of this density.

In other words, with sufficient will, faith, discipline, and purity, the third-density native needn't be confined by his/her immediate environment, but can transcend it and all boundaries.

Very carefully...

Quote:48.10 Ra: This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

So why do some people react to higher teaching, whether offered by a third-density type or a sixth-density social memory complex?

Ramana Maharshi had a nice illustration of this. (This is in the 1930's, when the human race was referred to as "mankind".)

Quote:Maj. Chadwick: It is said that one look of a Mahatma is enough; that idols, pilgrimages, etc. are not so effective. I have been here for three months, but I do not know how I have been benefited by the look of Maharshi.

Maharshi: The look has a purifying effect. Purification cannot be visualized. Just as a piece of coal takes long to be ignited, a piece of charcoal takes a short time, and a mass of gunpowder is instantaneously ignited, so it is with grades of men coming in contact with Mahatmas.

Love & Light, GLB

(02-19-2015, 09:17 PM)dreamliner Wrote: 6- Most wanderers do not plan their lives prior to incarnating on earth, which makes them vulnerable to these kind of information.

(03-08-2015, 02:31 AM)Sheldor Wrote:

(02-19-2015, 09:17 PM)dreamliner Wrote: 6- Most wanderers do not plan their lives prior to incarnating on earth, which makes them vulnerable to these kind of information.

Dreamliner, can you explain this a bit more? (or link to further L/L info... ?)

Quote:65.11 Questioner: Well, this entire scenario over the next, shall I say, twenty years seems to be aimed at producing an increase in seeking and an increase in the awareness of the natural creation, but also a terrific amount of confusion. Was it the pre-incarnative objective of many of the Wanderers to attempt to reduce this confusion?

Ra: I am Ra. It was the aim of Wanderers to serve the entities of this planet in whatever way was requested and it was also the aim of Wanderers that their vibratory patterns might lighten the planetary vibration as a whole, thus ameliorating the effects of planetary disharmony and palliating any results of this disharmony.

Specific intentions such as aiding in a situation not yet manifest are not the aim of Wanderers. Light and love go where they are sought and needed, and their direction is not planned aforetimes.

Quote:65.3 Questioner: I have assumed that the reason that so many Wanderers and those harvested third-density entities who have been transferred here find it a privilege and an exceptionally beneficial time to be incarnate upon this planet is that the effect that I just spoke of gives them the opportunity to be more fully of service because of the increased seeking. Is this, in general, correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the intention which Wanderers had prior to incarnation. There are many Wanderers whose dysfunction with regard to the planetary ways of your peoples have caused, to some extent, a condition of being caught up in a configuration of mind complex activity which, to the corresponding extent, may prohibit the intended service.

Quote:89.38 Questioner: Then from what you say I am guessing that these Wanderers returned or wandered to Ra’s third density to possibly seed greater wisdom into what they saw as an overabundance of compassion in the Ra culture. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect in the sense that before incarnation it was the desire of the Wanderers only to aid in service to others. The query has correctness when seen from the viewpoint of the Wanderers within that incarnation.

Quote:50.5 Questioner: Will you give that?

Ra: I am Ra. We paused to scan this instrument’s consciousness for permission to use its experiential catalyst as example. We may proceed.

This is one instance and extrapolation may be made to other entities which are aware of the process of evolution. This entity chose, before incarnation, the means whereby catalyst had great probability of being obtained. This entity desired the process of expressing love and light without expecting any return. This instrument programmed also to endeavor to accomplish spiritual work and to comfort itself with companionship in the doing of this work.

Agreements were made prior to incarnation; the first, with the so-called parents and siblings of this entity. This provided the experiential catalyst for the situation of offering radiance of being without expectation of return. The second program involved agreements with several entities. These agreements provided and will provide, in your time/space and space/time continuum, opportunities for the experiential catalyst of work and comradeship.

There are events which were part of a program for this entity only in that they were possibility/probability vortices having to do with your societal culture. These events include the nature of the living or standard of living, the type of relationships entered into in your legal framework, and the social climate during the incarnation. The incarnation was understood to be one which would take place at harvest.

These givens, shall we say, apply to millions of your peoples, those aware of evolution and desirous in the very extreme of attaining the heart of love and the radiance which gives understanding. No matter what the lessons programmed, they have to do with other-selves, not with events. They have to do with giving, not receiving, for the lessons of love are of this nature both for positive and negative. Those negatively harvestable will be found at this time endeavoring to share their love of self.

There are those whose lessons are more random due to their present inability to comprehend the nature and mechanism of the evolution of mind, body, and spirit. Of these we may say that the process is guarded by those who never cease their watchful expectation of being of service. There is no entity without help, either through self-awareness of the unity of creation or through guardians of the self which protect the less sophisticated mind/body/spirit from any permanent separation from unity while the lessons of your density continue.

Quote:70.15 Questioner: I think to try and clear up this point I’m going to ask a few questions that are related that will possibly enable me to understand this better because I am really confused about this and I think it is a very important point in understanding the creation and the Creator in general, you might say. If a Wanderer of fourth, fifth, or sixth density dies from this third-density state in which we presently find ourselves, does he then find himself in third-density time/space after death?

Ra: I am Ra. This will depend upon the plan which has been approved by the Council of Nine. Some Wanderers offer themselves for but one incarnation while others offer themselves for varying lengths of your time up to and including the last two cycles of 25,000 years. If the agreed-upon mission is complete the Wanderer’s mind/body/spirit complex will go to the home vibration.

Quote:11.29 Questioner: What about the Industrial Revolution in general. Was this planned in any way?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final question of this session.

That is correct. Wanderers incarnated in several waves, as you may call them, in order to bring into existence the gradual freeing from the demands of the diurnal cycles and lack of freedom of leisure.

Quote:33.6 Questioner: Thank you. I was wondering if there is a programming of experiences that causes an individual to get certain catalyst in his daily life. For instance, as we go through our daily life there are many things that we can experience. We look at these experiences as occurring by pure chance or by a conscious design of ours, like making appointments or going places. I was just wondering if there was a behind-the-scenes, I might call it, programming of catalyst to create the necessary experiences for more rapid growth in the case of some entities. Is this… Does this happen?

Ra: I am Ra. We believe we grasp the heart of your query. Please request further information if we are not correct.

The incarnating entity which has become conscious of the incarnative process and thus programs its own experience may choose the amount of catalyst or, to phrase this differently, the number of lessons which it will undertake to experience and to learn from in one incarnation. This does not mean that all is predestined, but rather that there are invisible guidelines shaping events which will function according to this programming. Thus if one opportunity is missed another will appear until the, shall we say, student of the life experience grasps that a lesson is being offered and undertakes to learn it.

(02-20-2015, 02:22 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Part of me thinks, how would a third-density native, who came up from second density and whose soul evolution has not moved beyond the boundary of third density, recognize these descriptions of higher densities and their workings?

(02-28-2015, 05:40 AM)Conifer16 Wrote: My thoughts below

So a 3d density native would indeed only conceivably have experience from 3d density and below. And you are asking how a person at this stage might recognize these ideas if they hadn't already encountered them as a wanderer. 

And I was wondering if it might not be due to the fact that at the deepest level we are all the Creator? And thus all experience that has, is, and will happen has been experienced by every single one of us already.  

Yes we have a veil that clouds our sense of memory and connection with all that is. And this veil likely does a really good job at clouding our memories and sense of connection. 

But might it be possible that being the Creator brings with it some automatic and very very very deep level understanding and "knowing"? Such that when encountering information like that of the Law of One, a 3d density native whom hasn't yet moved past 3d density this go around, might be able to recognize some inner and pure "truth" to the matter. 

Which might manifest as a simple feeling that TLOO just "makes sense".

Quote:81.16 Questioner: Ra states that it has knowledge of only this octave, but it seems that Ra has complete knowledge of this octave.


Can you tell me why this is?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we do not have complete knowledge of this octave. There are portions of the seventh density which, although described to us by our teachers, remain mysterious. Secondly, we have experienced a great deal of the available refining catalyst of this octave, and our teachers have worked with us most carefully that we may be one with all, that in turn our eventual returning to the great allness of creation shall be complete.

Quote:13.12 Questioner: Could you tell me how intelligent infinity became, shall we say (I’m having difficulty with some of the language), how intelligent infinity became individualized from itself?


Ra: I am Ra. This is an appropriate question.

The intelligent infinity discerned a concept. This concept was discerned due to freedom of will of awareness. This concept was finity. This was the first and primal paradox or distortion of the Law of One. Thus the one intelligent infinity invested itself in an exploration of many-ness.

Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration, thus, is free to continue infinitely in an eternal present.