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How strong is karma? - AnthroHeart - 01-03-2015
If we do bad to other people, it will probably come back to us in another life. Or we will choose to experience bad things in our next life.
What if we never really hurt others? Would we still experience abuse in another life? Is there a time where we would choose to experience abuse on purpose? Does a good life create good karma? If we make mistakes in a life can we by forgiveness of ourselves make up for that karma?
Will we truly in our life review experience all the pain we caused another? I heard this can be overpowering.
I've been mostly kind to people. I've been mean a few times to animals. I'm not the nicest person, but I do have a lot of love.
RE: How strong is karma? - Plenum - 01-03-2015
karma, as a concept, just means that we experience the consequences of our thoughts and actions.
if we act on the principle of separation, then we will experience a reality where there are elements of separation.
there is also a type of karma which is based on trauma, and holding onto the memories of trauma. That strong emotional hold (usually based on low vibrational emotions like fear and anger) serves to recreate the conditions of the original trauma.
RE: How strong is karma? - Unbound - 01-03-2015
As strong as attachment and aversion.
RE: How strong is karma? - Phoenix - 01-03-2015
Perhaps Edgar Cayce would offer you a perspective.
I think the question is not 'how powerful is karma?' but 'how powerful are we against any element of our experience?'
RE: How strong is karma? - isis - 01-03-2015
more times than i can count, i've experienced instant karma. eg, i'll hit someone then no more than a second later i'll accidentally poke myself in the eye or something like that. there's no way i can not believe in karma
i also believe in forgiveness, though. i bet there's a way for one to not get "paid back" & instead be forgiven. what exactly goes down probably depends a lot on the other seemingly separate soul that u've harmed
considering we're infinite, omnipotent, beings i imagine it's definitely possible to get a life where u get lots of terrible luck w/o having done anything to deserve it - other than desire it
Quote:Will we truly in our life review experience all the pain we caused another?
this is my belief. all the pain & all the everything
dr. eben alexander & dannion brinkley both say this is what happens. it's what happened to them in their death experiences. it makes a lot of sense to me, for this to be the case, considering there's actually only one being/creator/consciousness in existence
all is one. all is you
your questions often make me think of this line from the matrix:
"Who knows such things? Only the Oracle."
RE: How strong is karma? - anagogy - 01-03-2015
(01-03-2015, 08:15 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If we do bad to other people, it will probably come back to us in another life. Or we will choose to experience bad things in our next life.
What if we never really hurt others?
Then you incurred no imbalance that would require rebalance. If experience imbalanced your spiritual energy, then experience of a reciprocal nature would re-center that energy.
(01-03-2015, 08:15 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Would we still experience abuse in another life?
Only the abuse that was drawn by your imbalanced choice of thought. Thoughts of separation attract separation. Thoughts of unity attract more unity.
(01-03-2015, 08:15 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Is there a time where we would choose to experience abuse on purpose? Does a good life create good karma?
Souls volunteer for different experiences for a multitude of reasons. Sometimes a soul will volunteer for such a role to teach the abusing soul a valuable soul lesson. Sometimes terrible experiences galvanize people to some kind of profound societal change. It is not always the case that if you are experiencing abuse it is the result of karma. It always is created in the moment. Even karma works on your thought. Desire directs thought. If your spiritual complex is out of balance, desires will form in you that will attract the experiences necessary to realign your consciousness.
There is also the automatic and mostly unconscious asking and answering of Source. When subjectively negative things happen to you, you unconsciously, and automatically ask for improved experiences. The preferences radiate from you vibrationally whether you're aware of them or not. Your preferences are part of your soul pattern. There is no confusion to Source about what you want and who you are. These improved experiences are queued up into your future, when you achieve proper alignment with them (following your heart/bliss). You might call those queued up desires positive karma.
In the same way, when you are cruel to others, you unconsciously and automatically ask to be nicer, because the Source part of you never has a negative opinion about anyone, so in that moment, when your thoughts and actions separated you from the Source inside of you, the preference to be nicer is automatically radiated. Those experiences which will teach you to be nicer are queued up into your future catalyst. Some people might call this negative karma. But hopefully you can take a more enlightened view and see that no karma is actually bad. It is simply imbalance seeking balance. Separation calls out for unity. Falsity calls out for truth eventually. That Which is Not eventually calls out for That Which Is.
The water of consciousness always seeks its level.
(01-03-2015, 08:15 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If we make mistakes in a life can we by forgiveness of ourselves make up for that karma?
Yes.
Karma is just the oneness of the universe peaking out from behind the curtain saying, "You are everyone and everything, and because of this unalterable fact you cannot hurt others without hurting yourself. Also, you cannot help others without helping yourself." It is imbalance seeking balance. It is unconsciousness seeking consciousness. If you can become fully conscious of the effect you had on another, then the karmic effect is mitigated by you making yourself fully conscious of the suffering you caused. But "fully" aware is a tall order. The attempts to understand your actions effect serves to mitigate the accumulated karma, though. That is to say, it helps to restore balance even if you don't succeed in completely forgiving yourself for the negative act (as true forgiveness requires true understanding). Your attempts to understand soften the karma, and in exemplary and extremely efficient cases of the use of mental catalyst, it will completely absolve the karma.
(01-03-2015, 08:15 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Will we truly in our life review experience all the pain we caused another? I heard this can be overpowering.
Yes. It's not the same though, because you are seeing it from a broader perspective. It would be more traumatic for the experiencing soul because they are experiencing that pain without access to the broader perspective. So to fully understand it, you have to experience it some form. It's not always necessary unless it was a severely separating/imbalancing action.
Also, except in the case of severe imbalances, karma will resolve itself in this life. You tend to gradually "sweat" out imbalances over the course of your lifetime.
(01-03-2015, 08:15 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I've been mostly kind to people. I've been mean a few times to animals. I'm not the nicest person, but I do have a lot of love.
I don't think you have much to be concerned about, Gemini.
RE: How strong is karma? - Matt1 - 01-04-2015
Karma means action and every action has a positive or negative reaction. Thus you will experience Karma within this life time and in the next. I remember one of the most interesting things i learned from the Buddhist monastery was that everything in life is Karma. You are Karma, the other self is karma and the environment is Karma.
Everything is a reaction of a previous action. One level of understanding Karma can be seen fairly simply as do unto others as you would have them do unto you. However another perhaps deeper understanding could be seen that it is the inner conditioning that you carry with you that creates the reality we experience as negative events rather than anything outside of the effect of the self.
The less Karma we have the less of the physical manifested universe appears to us.
RE: How strong is karma? - AnthroHeart - 01-04-2015
(01-03-2015, 11:13 PM)anagogy Wrote:(01-03-2015, 08:15 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I've been mostly kind to people. I've been mean a few times to animals. I'm not the nicest person, but I do have a lot of love.
I don't think you have much to be concerned about, Gemini.
Probably even Hitler doesn't have much to worry about. The Universe is so loving.