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2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Peregrinus - 03-09-2010 Because emotions are something new to me in this incarnation, I am having a difficult time finding the opposite emotion to any I experience. I would therefore like to try and come up with some sort of emotion wheel. For my initial post, I would like to offer these Q'uotes to get the ball rolling. Quote:This instrument has been attempting to define emotions along some sort of a yardstick or ruler attempting to measure emotions by the ratio of love to fear, this instrument having posited that love and fear are the fundamental opposites of emotion. [1] And we would suggest that while there is an element of truth in this thought, that it attempts to corral and compress the 360 degrees of emotions into a two-dimensional, straight line. This attempt in itself is a distortion of the model, shall we say, which we might suggest to be more useful for thinking about emotions. Quote:Another way to evaluate emotions is to look at the faculty of will, desire or expectation. The clearest way to approach emotion, living day-to-day, would be to remain transparent and unattached to the outcome of one’s objects of desire or will or one’s expectations. However, it is precisely the inability of the individual within incarnation to remain unattached to outcomes which creates the bulk of distorted emotional reactions. Thusly, if one loved another purely and without attachment of any kind, and that object of love chose to move into relationship with another self beside the self, in the unattached entity this would be only a source of joy, knowing that the other self that is so beloved was doing something that he or she enjoyed. However, it is seldom that entities are unattached in this way. Quote:If one looks at the meat of the spiritual life, it is clear that it is a blessing that the entity within incarnation is attached to outcomes and has distortions and expectations and desires, because these elements create the potential for feeling emotions and engaging consciousness in new and different ways. Quote:Another element which is important to consider when looking at emotions is that faculty which you call judgment. The seeker who feels surface emotions tends to be non-judgmental if the emotions seem positive but quite judgmental if one’s own emotions seem to be from the shadow side of the self and express the darkness within. Now, if one were looking at a color wheel one would not judge the dark colors as inferior to the lighter colors but would see that all the range of colors would be needed to create all pleasing harmony within one’s color scheme. One would not shun the use of the notes of brown and gray and black and navy blue, for instance, as opposed to the pastels and the lighter colors in their earth tones such as the light tan, the light gray, and so forth. All of these colors equally are valued in building an environment which is pleasing to you personally. Quote:The one known as L was saying earlier that there were those she met in the course of doing her job and her service to others who called up from within her feelings of really bright anger. What was she to do with this sudden and impulsive anger? Was she to attempt to squash it or to repress it? Was she to give it so much honor that she expressed that anger in ways that were not of service to others? How was she to handle feeling this sudden, impulsive anger? This occurs time and time again in the course of each and every day for each and every spiritual seeker. Quote:As we have said through this instrument many times, it is the darker emotions, such as anger, that when allowed to become refined and purified create the grit, the muscle, the determination, the energy of enduring and persevering and winning through to the goals of your incarnation. If you do not have that driving energy that is expressed in anger within you in a more purified and refined state, you do not have the energy to be patient with the self as it is refined in the athanor or the furnace of experience. Your thoughts, brothers and sisters? RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Peregrinus - 03-10-2010 So here is a list of emotions. Can you help me to put the antithesis emotions together please. ie: love <-> fear I will edit this post to reflect changes. Thanks for your help! Affection <-> Anger <-> Annoyance <-> Angst <-> Apathy <-> Curiosity? Anxiety <-> Awe <-> Boredom <-> Compassion <-> Contempt? Contempt <-> Compassion? Curiosity <-> Apathy? Depression <-> Desire <-> Despair <-> Disappointment <-> Disgust <-> Ecstasy <-> Empathy <-> Envy <-> Embarrassment <-> Euphoria <-> Fear <-> Love Frustration <-> Gratitude <-> Grief <-> Guilt <-> Happiness <-> Sadness Hatred <-> Love Hope <-> Horror <-> Hostility <-> Hysteria <-> Jealousy <-> Joy <-> Loathing <-> Love <-> Fear Lust <-> Misery <-> Pity <-> Pride <-> Rage <-> Regret <-> Remorse <-> Sadness <-> Happiness Shame <-> Suffering <-> Surprise <-> Wonder <-> Worry <-> RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - zanny - 03-10-2010 I was wondering if you have read the book Power vs Force by Dr. David Hawkins? He discusses emotion states and has a scale of emotions that might be helpful to you. This is something that has helped me in my own balancing work. I have read many of your posts and don't feel as though I am in anyway qualified to help you simply because I have also been very confused by emotions or my lack of such through my life. But I will pass along things that help me along the way and continue to read your posts for tips from your perspective...I hope that we can be of assistance to each other as we muddle through this difficult yet fascinating landscape of our emotional body. zanny RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Aaron - 03-10-2010 Peregrinus, I spent about half an hour going down your list, filling out the opposites for each emotion. But then I gave up when I realized my mental dictionary just isn't big enough! Individual emotions are like fine strings. Although we may have a label for a few of them bundled together, many of the emotions on your list are subtle and delicate, and their opposites may not have names. Also, emotions flow together, so one emotion and its opposite could be defined many different ways. Likewise, one word could be used to describe a range of emotions. Failing the list, I would simply suggest that the opposite of Fear is Love. (Anger being a mixture of Hatred and Fear.) RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Peregrinus - 03-10-2010 (03-10-2010, 10:06 AM)zanny Wrote: I was wondering if you have read the book Power vs Force by Dr. David Hawkins? He discusses emotion states and has a scale of emotions that might be helpful to you. I have not. I looked breifly at that scale. It may be of help. (03-10-2010, 10:06 AM)zanny Wrote: This is something that has helped me in my own balancing work. I have read many of your posts and don't feel as though I am in anyway qualified to help you simply because I have also been very confused by emotions or my lack of such through my life. You are as qualified as I am... to be sure. I think many are ruled by their emoions over their logical, so for me this is coming to an understanding of emotions, logically, so that I may come to feel them. Many of the emotions I listed I simply cannot invoke... yet. (03-10-2010, 10:06 AM)zanny Wrote: But I will pass along things that help me along the way and continue to read your posts for tips from your perspective...I hope that we can be of assistance to each other as we muddle through this difficult yet fascinating landscape of our emotional body. Please do dear sister, all you have said. I look forward to any insights you may have. Assistance, service to others... (03-10-2010, 11:25 AM)Aaron Wrote: Peregrinus, I spent about half an hour going down your list, filling out the opposites for each emotion. But then I gave up when I realized my mental dictionary just isn't big enough! Thanks for trying. I didn't expect this to be easy, but perhaps easier for those that have felt these things. (03-10-2010, 11:25 AM)Aaron Wrote: Individual emotions are like fine strings. Although we may have a label for a few of them bundled together, many of the emotions on your list are subtle and delicate, and their opposites may not have names. Also, emotions flow together, so one emotion and its opposite could be defined many different ways. Likewise, one word could be used to describe a range of emotions. Can you then put those mixes together? That would be a beginning. (03-10-2010, 11:25 AM)Aaron Wrote: Failing the list, I would simply suggest that the opposite of Fear is Love. (Anger being a mixture of Hatred and Fear.) I changed that antithesis to relay that. Thanks. RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - ayadew - 03-10-2010 Affection <-> Annoyance/disgust/any level of inconvenience Anger <-> does not really have any distinct opposite.. it's a real mess of feelings Angst, Anxiety, Despair <-> Bliss, harmony, Ecstasy, Euphoria, Hope Apathy <-> Curiosity? Awe, Desire, Empathy <-> Indifference Boredom, Depression <-> Orange chakra activation Compassion <-> Contempt? Contempt <-> Compassion? Curiosity <-> Apathy? Grief, Disappointment, Envy, Embarrassment, Frustration <-> Allowance, Gratitude Fear, Guilt, Hatred <-> Love Happiness <-> Sadness Made a try here.. as you have outlined, it's hard to make opposites. I'd say Love goes beyond all these polar feelings also. Love as a feeling just overrides everything... RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Peregrinus - 03-10-2010 I agree that love is the strongest emotion, the only true emotion, but these other emotions are here for us to make the experience more vibrant. For every negative emotion the opposite true emotion is love. I think that actually the opposite of love may be fear, but fear is the absence or lack of love. Love <-> Lack of love, fear The Buddha went into in-depth study of the opposite of love, which was called suffering, or Dukkha. The Nature of Suffering (Dukkha): "This is the noble truth of suffering: birth is suffering, ageing is suffering, illness is suffering, death is suffering; sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair are suffering; union with what is displeasing is suffering; separation from what is pleasing is suffering; not to get what one wants is suffering; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are suffering." Suffering's Origin (Samudaya): "This is the noble truth of the origin of suffering: it is this craving which leads to renewed existence, accompanied by delight and lust, seeking delight here and there, that is, craving for sensual pleasures, craving for existence, craving for extermination." Suffering's Cessation (Nirodha): "This is the noble truth of the cessation of suffering: it is the remainderless fading away and cessation of that same craving, the giving up and relinquishing of it, freedom from it, non-reliance on it." The Way (Magga) Leading to the Cessation of Suffering: "This is the noble truth of the way leading to the cessation of suffering: it is the Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration." RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - haqiqu - 03-10-2010 A psychologist I consulted a few years ago suggested that the opposite of love was not hate, but indifference. That love is one of the strongest emotions and the opposite would be total lack of emotion i.e. indifference. This has given me food for thought on many occasions, particularly when encountering my former spouse whom I no longer love or hate. :-> RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - AnthroHeart - 03-11-2010 Indifference means you're not swayed either way. I think apathy in that case might be more appropriate. Having no love or hate toward someone doesn't to me seem like the opposite of love. It just means you're not in that vibration any longer, hence no longer thinking about it. RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Questioner - 03-11-2010 I really like this metaphor, and I'd missed that session before. Thanks, P, for bringing it up here. I have some fun exploring these ideas. Everything I suggest here is tentative. Others might enjoy revising my approach. Here are some examples of Albert Munsell's 3D color wheels using hue, saturation, and monochrome value: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munsell_color_system http://www.applepainter.com/ As a cylinder, colors are plotted using three coordinates. 1. The more intense the color, the closer it is to the outside perimeter. Less intense colors are closer to the central core. The central core ranges from pure white to pure black through neutral grays. 2. The height along the central core indicates overall brightness, from pure black to pure white. 3. At any particular height, radial angle indicates the basic hue, going through the spectrum. How could we apply this metaphor to particular "colors" of emotions? Saturation is easy. Just as with a color, the more vividly a particular emotion is felt, the greater the saturation. In the Munsell model, this means that the color is located at a greater radius length away from the central core. These colors provide the most dramatic example of a particular color, the greatest contrast between a black/white scale and the intense fullness of a vivid color. In our universe, the emotion's intensity is farther away from the perfect unity of the Infinite, a more vivid contrast of experience and/or catalyst. Some emotions close to the central pillar, not very vivid: Annoyance, boredom, apathy; but also, many meditative states. Highly vivid, saturated, intensely colorful emotions: Affection is closer to the center, love is more saturated. Rage is more saturated than hostility. Awe is more saturated than curiosity. Angst is more saturated than worry. For the vertical dimension, perhaps we could use a scale of aspiration, or a sense of a future. At the bottom, pure black, is the abyss of feeling certainty that nothing more could exist than one's own most miserable moments in this lifetime. At the top, pure white, is the certainty that each moment of life is part of a much larger voyage through the densities and evolutions of the soul. In the middle would be a focus on the day to day, with some belief in a greater context. Misery is low on the scale, focused on the present while withdrawn from contemplation of the future. Depression is even lower, withdrawn from even focusing on the present. Revenge is higher than annoyance - it involves more planning ahead, which requires faith in a future one could influence. Remorse is higher up than shame. Shame is about how bad one is now, and the wrongs of the past. Remorse is about building a better future in which amends are made for one's mistakes. Now for the angle at each of these stacked planes. At one extreme, maybe 0 degrees (at the top, while looking down), the focus is entirely on one's own personal, selfish concerns and individual existence. At 180 degrees is service entirely to other-selves, without regard for one's own individual lifetime. This could be a Y axis for a plane on which the color circle sits for each height. For the X axis, how about whether the emotion involves bringing something towards oneself (90 degrees, right hand side) or pushing something away from oneself (270 degrees, left hand side). Close to 0 degrees or "north": Devotion. Love. Dedication. Awe. Determination. Close to 180 degrees or "south": what is just for oneself, without any regard for others. Low height: to be selfish. High height: Withdrawing for rejuvenation that empowers further service, as with Jesus retreating to the wilderness. Close to 90 degrees, right side or "east": what can be brought towards oneself, for either one's own benefit or for others. Wonder: it's not a problem if other people have the answer too. Happiness (mild) to bliss (saturated). Contentment (mild) to delight (intense). Hope. Enjoyment (mild) to euphoria (intense). Low height: merging with just this moment. High height: merging with eternity. Close to 270 degrees, left side or "west": what can be pushed away from oneself, equally for one's own behalf or for the benefits of another. Introspection, as in my desire to "take out the trash" of my past conditioning, so I can think more clearly and make better choices. Anger, getting rid of something, breaking it so it can't have further influence. Loathing (mild) to horror (intense). Frustration, wishing to dispose of obstacles - north to clear obstacles for others, south to clear obstacles for one's self. Disapppointment (mild) to disgust (extreme). Dislike (mild) to contempt (extreme). Boredom, whatever blocks opportunity for enjoyment. Low height: pushing something away for now - no thanks, I'm full. High height: increasing the separation between self and what's rejected, with an intention that this be a choice for eternity. I will not eat them, Sam I Am! Between self-interest and drawing closer: "Southeast": bringing something towards oneself, perhaps at the expense of others. Affection, to have the object of devotion for one's self. Curiosity, drawing closer to enjoy learning. Sadness, resisting a loss to one's own hopes. Desire (mild) to lust (intense). Low height: something appealing to personally have now, perhaps limiting other's access; the bird that pecks away the other birds. High height: something to hold close for eternity, perhaps limiting others' access. Between other-interest and drawing closer: "Northeast": drawing in something for the benefit of others. Science, investigations shared to benefit others. Accepting suffering as a way to demonstrate Christlike compassion. Pity, compassion, love, empathy. Grief, wishing that one could continue to draw close to the departed beloved. Low height: get something to help for now, such as a bottle for baby to stop crying. High height: Accepting the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune for the eternal benefit of others. Between self-interest and pushing away: "Southwest": pushing something away for one's own benefit. Annoyance, prefer to not have an influence present; more intense, indignation. Apathy, rejecting the moment (mild) to angst, rejecting life and hope (intense). Worry (mild) to anxiety (intense). Surprise (mild) to shock (intense). Rejection of suffering. Embarrasment and guilt (mild) through shame (intense), rejecting something considered intolerable about one's self. Dislike (mild) to hysteria (intense). Envy, dislike of another's claim to an apparently limited resource. Low height: pushing something away for just the moment, perhaps merely because startled. High height: pushing something away for eternity, as with the STS desire to reject the green ray's open-hearted acceptance. Between other-interest and pushing away: "Northwest": pushing something away for the benefit of others. A soldier's work of conquering threats or securing the borders would go here. Penitence, regret (mild) to remorse (intense): turning away from evil so that others can be blessed rather than hurt. Low height: shooing away a pesky fly. High height: In the Gita, Arjuna setting aside family bonds and a history of devotion in order to do his eternal duty. RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Peregrinus - 03-13-2010 Thank you brother for the thoughtful and detailed response. It is late here tonight, however, and I have been pouring through other threads after a couple long days, and am too tied to comprehend this at the moment. One thing I notice you never mentioned was hate. Where would you place that? and if I may offer thought on this... One that hates another must love the other, for one cannot hate another they care not about. This would place love and hate very close together on the wheel. Does this make sense? RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Questioner - 03-13-2010 You're welcome, P. I would put hate at what I'm arbitrarily calling the west side. It's a very extreme form of opposition or denial. The desire to destroy something that threatens oneself, or is intolerable to one's self - southwest. The desire to destroy something that threatens others - northwest. The next step is to add the dimension of time, tracing a path through a series of emotions. How does love of someone else turn into a desire to hate what threatens them? How does fear on one's own behalf turn into clinging to what seems like it will provide salvation? Most apparent emotional states are actually a sequence of concepts, emotions, interpretations that flick from one state to another too fast for observation. RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Peregrinus - 03-19-2010 Ok, I get this now, and rather than distill the feelings at the end of the day, I do it when they come up. Of course, this can be done at either time. I just find doing it as the emotions arise to be more efficient, and I don't miss any that way. The normal state is/ should be contentment and peace. Anything other than that state requires distillation, including happiness, sadness, anger, frustration... literally anything other than peace and contentment. If doing this at the end of the day, then visualization of the event that occurred to bring the emotion is the easiest way to bring the emotion back. If distilling as the emotions arise, the process is very quick. When an emotion arises, there is no need to identify it, but simply hold onto it and intensify it as much as one can. At some point while doing this, the opposite emotion will manifest, and there is no need to think about what emotion to manifest; it happens naturally! When this opposite emotion manifests, hold onto it and intensify it. At the point this opposite emotion can no longer be held, visualize placing both these emotions into a container. I visualize a large clay vase. Once the emotions are both in the vase, I imbue the emotions in the vase with love, and then I give it a mental push and send it floating away. At this point I am left in peace and contentment again. RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Meerie - 10-15-2010 When an emotion arises, there is no need to identify it, but simply hold onto it and intensify it as much as one can. At some point while doing this, the opposite emotion will manifest, and there is no need to think about what emotion to manifest; it happens naturally! When this opposite emotion manifests, hold onto it and intensify it. At the point this opposite emotion can no longer be held, visualize placing both these emotions into a container. <- Interesting method! Why do you place the emotions into a container, then ? To label them? I was thinking it might be a bit dangerous, if for example the emotion to start with is anger and you intensify it as much as possible.... couldn't that get you into a "murderous rage"? RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - @ndy - 10-15-2010 (10-15-2010, 03:18 AM)Meerie Wrote: I was thinking it might be a bit dangerous, if for example the emotion to start with is anger and you intensify it as much as possible.... couldn't that get you into a "murderous rage"? I'm wondering this too, as aside from peaks in my hormone cycle I'm fairly emotionally stable, being calm and swayed little. Once a month I feel intense anger and rage. It just comes in the pure emotional sense in that there isn't anything associated with it - I find it very difficult to interact with people. To describe - It's a sensation of a pencil being bent - that point just before it cracks, or a spring coiled so tight it can no longer be contained. It's a breaking point. I know it's the tipping point of my hormones as it lifts instantly and my monthly’s start or I ovulate. Even since I hit adolescence I have smashed mirrors, punched holes in doors, window and walls I become very explosive. My instinct when I'm experiencing this is to be alone and do nothing, but this is rarely possible. I try and just accept it as an emotion, experience the energy of it respect it and wait for it too pass - it certainly gives me empathy for others as I realise some people must spend far more time at the mercy of there chemicals. I’ve never become murderous, but I’ve been very tempted to head butt people RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Ocean - 04-08-2011 lol can someone block that once they get the chance? thanks. RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Ankh - 04-08-2011 lol! you are not enjoying porn commercials in french? RE: 2009.12.26 The Wheel of Emotions - Aaron - 04-08-2011 The majority of our spambot seem to be French lately! They're formidable opponents.... these supremely engineered French robots. |