(05-03-2012, 11:40 AM)Pickle Wrote:

(05-03-2012, 11:23 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Your post however represents a deliberately inflammatory and antagonistic remark. I cannot put myself into your shoes and find *any* other motivation than desire to hurt.

Well we are adapting somewhat. For me it is not just changing my angle of perception, it is changing my "time" of perception. I always have to go backwards to a younger period to understand some of his perspective.

While this is spiteful to some, it is really mainly spiteful to himself. There is a plea veiled in his words that appear now and then. Until he recognizes what he has attracted to himself he will not have access to the door that allows a helping hand to reach out to him.

(05-03-2012, 05:49 PM)Oldern Wrote: Armchair XY is kind of a degrading term, isnt it?

(05-03-2012, 11:23 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote:

(05-03-2012, 10:20 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Just because of this thread and for no other reason, I'm going to buy 20 pounds of meat for a barbecue this weekend.

3DMonkey, this is one of the most ridiculous, rude, spiteful things I've ever seen on the Bring4th Forums.

Granted this thread is *full* of two-way, mutual misunderstandings, hurt feelings, and inability to see eye-to-eye. Granted both "sides" have said things that have appeared antagonistic to the other. I have winced watching many people, vegetarians and meat-eaters alike, say things in ways which I know would not be received well by the other side.

Personally I think the central question in this thread is, "How can we learn to relate to one another when our views, which have practical real-world consequences, run so differently?"

"Which is better, to eat or not eat meat?" is a secondary question, in my opinion.

Regardless, the discord goes on. This thread has been a hornet's nest of mild tension. However that tension has always been kept within reasonable bounds, and each party, no matter how frustrated and "butthurt", still attempts at the end of the day to be somewhat fair and balanced -- a difficult act given how strong and deep the convictions go on this thread.

Your post however represents a deliberately inflammatory and antagonistic remark. I cannot put myself into your shoes and find *any* other motivation than desire to hurt.

Do this again, Monkey, and you're out.

Gary

PS: 1) I would have preferred to send this via PM but that route has failed miserably with you before. 2) Neither Monica nor any other seeker with vegetarian convictions alerted me to your post. I came across it on my own and reacted on my own.

(05-03-2012, 08:14 PM)Pickle Wrote: *claps* it only took around six hours for you to defuse your own bomb lol!

(05-03-2012, 09:43 PM)Pickle Wrote: I actually do not eat out or let others prepare food for me. After 7 years in a medical company, and seeing how many will leave the restroom without washing their hands, naw lol.

(05-03-2012, 09:43 PM)Pickle Wrote: I would love to meet your dog. As long as it wasn't nuts like most of the dogs out here.

Today i thought about my old dog, and how she was perpetually happy and too full of energy. I had never considered a reflection, but i guess it was there.

I actually do not eat out or let others prepare food for me. After 7 years in a medical company, and seeing how many will leave the restroom without washing their hands, naw lol.

(05-03-2012, 10:02 PM)Diana Wrote:

(05-03-2012, 09:43 PM)Pickle Wrote: I actually do not eat out or let others prepare food for me. After 7 years in a medical company, and seeing how many will leave the restroom without washing their hands, naw lol.

I don't eat out either--only very rarely. It's not just the quality of the food, food handling, cleanliness, etc.; to me, it's also the energy put into the food.

(05-03-2012, 10:54 AM)Pickle Wrote:

(05-03-2012, 09:14 AM)Valtor Wrote: It's possible. Is it possible to be an activist without showing others where you disagree with them ?

That's a serious question I have for everyone. I am currently contemplating this subject.

Maybe a better way of phrasing this question would be: How to be an activist without showing others where you disagree with them ?

Why does it matter if they see a disagreement? That is part of the growth. Growth takes place because of the disagreement. The analogy of getting booted out of Eden.

On an individual basis the activation comes from following the will through the green vortex.

On a group basis it is the combining of this same will in unity.

(05-04-2012, 09:18 AM)Valtor Wrote: Because I want them to feel understood. I want them to feel accepted. I want them to feel welcomed within my sphere of influence.

Quote:41.25 Green ray is the movement through various experiences of energy exchanges having to do with compassion and all-forgiving love to the primary blue ray which is the first ray of radiation of self regardless of any actions from another.

The green-ray entity is ineffectual in the face of blockage from other-selves. The blue-ray entity is a co-Creator.

(05-04-2012, 09:28 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

Quote:41.25 Green ray is the movement through various experiences of energy exchanges having to do with compassion and all-forgiving love to the primary blue ray which is the first ray of radiation of self regardless of any actions from another.

The green-ray entity is ineffectual in the face of blockage from other-selves. The blue-ray entity is a co-Creator.

I remember you said that you are here to learn compassion and to balance an overabundance of wisdom. But in this case it sounds like maybe you are feeling green ray to be ineffectual and are working to radiate the self regardless of the other-self distortions.

Quote:102.11 Each entity must, in order to completely unblock yellow ray, love all which are in relationship to it, with hope only of the other-selves’ joy, peace, and comfort.

(05-04-2012, 09:18 AM)Valtor Wrote: Because I want them to feel understood. I want them to feel accepted. I want them to feel welcomed within my sphere of influence.

I find this really difficult to do here in 3d. It seems like a paradox to me. I feel that I should be able to do so 100%, but I'm not able to. This saddens me.

This is what I am working my way through right now.

To please you guys here, I should stop eating meat. To please my loved ones, I should continue to eat meat. To please Monkey, I should laugh with him at his harsh BBQ joke. To please my Self I would like all to be pleased and in joy, including my Self.

You see where that's going ?

(05-04-2012, 09:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: "...working to radiate the self regardless of the other-self distortions."

I'm not sure I really grasp this part. I understood this part to be about blue ray. It seems to me that being balanced in both green and blue, I would not radiate the self without regards to other selves?

(05-04-2012, 09:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: EDIT: Just realized that these posts probably do not belong in this thread.

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(05-04-2012, 10:22 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I don't think that's what acceptance is about at all. Acceptance doesn't mean we have to live up to the expectations of another. That would be impossible anyway! And that would totally negate choice.

If you didn't feel like laughing at Monkey's comment, then it's not acceptance to laugh anyway just to please Monkey. (sorry, Monkey, hope you don't mind - this is just an example! NOT saying you expected him to laugh!)

If I, as a vegetarian, am displeased that you eat meat, that's my problem/challenge, not yours. I must accept you regardless of what you do, for me to 'accept' you.

And for me to accept you, doesn't mean I have to agree with your 'choice' to eat meat! I can simultaneously accept you and still disagree about eating meat.

Yes, it's paradoxical, but then, Ra did say they were here to teach us about resolution of paradox. That's where the power of choice resides, in my understanding. To simultaneously accept and choose, even if it's an entirely different choice, is very powerful and can help facilitate forgiveness. (but that's a whole 'nother topic.)

Quote:102.11 Each entity must, in order to completely unblock yellow ray, love all which are in relationship to it, with hope only of the other-selves’ joy, peace, and comfort.

(05-04-2012, 10:28 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(05-04-2012, 09:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: "...working to radiate the self regardless of the other-self distortions."

I'm not sure I really grasp this part. I understood this part to be about blue ray. It seems to me that being balanced in both green and blue, I would not radiate the self without regards to other selves?

I'm reminded of the sun which shines upon saint and sinner alike.