(04-09-2009, 02:25 AM)irpsit Wrote: These are all great posts.


Maybe we just have existence at not only one dimension but at several ones, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6D

For some I was pondering over the octaves and I came with this too

OCTAVES

(I had a tendency to focus more on a possible STO path in this description)

1D
1 energy, atomic particles
2 atomic organization
3 molecular organization
4 elements fire water, earth air, forming stars and planets
5 forming planets become stable with geological phenomena
6 organic molecules, now with organic phenomena and water
7 nucleic acids and virus

2D animals and plants
1 bacteria
2 simple life, such algae or protozoans
3 simple plants and simple animals (insects)
4 flowers and herbs, fishes and others
5 the trees outside in my garden, most mammals, birds, etc
6 advanced mammals, such as dogs or cats
7 advanced primates (near 3D first octave), a few pets close to us

3D humans
1 brute animalistic humans, small self-awareness and of others
2 tribalistic human, awareness of a tribal group and of self (of course I would say native tribes nowadays are also very close to 4D)
3 early civilization, greater awareness of group and of self, STS power kicks in, but also the early STO acts
4 thinking man... dwelling between STS and STO choices, the normal man you find in the streets (no prejudice intended)
5 ethic advanced thinking man, entering spirituality, chakras become aware, learning the choices of love, self or others. It should a way where man progressively moves from emotions into third chakra and then into heart chakra, also from mind more to heart, and individual life to group or relationship activity or service
6 humans, having with peak moments, working in groups, spreading love energy (love chakra is active), and challening angels and etc. As part of STS fraction, brutal power is exercised and challened; also maybe dual activated children, wanderers, coincidences, love flow
7 all chakras activating and transcendence

4D
1 astral world illusions, spirits, spirits after death, wandering, with time-space potential and manifestation abilities and energy abilities, early begginings of group activity
2 devas and gnomes, elementals and fairies, therefore, memory complexes establishing, powerful love emotions
3 spirits, memory complexes, connections, past-life acesses, etc, refining love, like many
4 angelic spirits of astral world, entities developing powerful love feelings, maybe some lower channeled entities
5 spirit guides
6 powerful 4d astral societies, some 4D challened entities
7 ascended masters, transcending time-space

5D ... example of Christ energy, our souls roots, some channeled entities
6D ... higher selfs, Ra and others
7D ... Higher hierarchy angels...

Love for all
Don't take my analysis too seriously

(04-09-2009, 02:25 AM)irpsit Wrote: 3D humans
1 brute animalistic humans, small self-awareness and of others
2 tribalistic human, awareness of a tribal group and of self (of course I would say native tribes nowadays are also very close to 4D)
3 early civilization, greater awareness of group and of self, STS power kicks in, but also the early STO acts
4 thinking man... dwelling between STS and STO choices, the normal man you find in the streets (no prejudice intended)
5 ethic advanced thinking man, entering spirituality, chakras become aware, learning the choices of love, self or others. It should a way where man progressively moves from emotions into third chakra and then into heart chakra, also from mind more to heart, and individual life to group or relationship activity or service
6 humans, having with peak moments, working in groups, spreading love energy (love chakra is active), and challening angels and etc. As part of STS fraction, brutal power is exercised and challened; also maybe dual activated children, wanderers, coincidences, love flow
7 all chakras activating and transcendence

Ken Wibur on http://rationalspirituality.com/articles/Ken_Wilber_Spiral_Dynamics.htm Wrote:

SPIRAL DYNAMICS AND THE WAVES OF EXISTENCE

by Ken Wilber

The first six levels are "subsistence levels" marked by "first-tier thinking." Then there occurs a revolutionary shift in consciousness: the emergence of "being levels" and "second-tier thinking," of which there are two major waves. Here is a brief description of all eight waves, the percentage of the world population at each wave, and the percentage of social power held by each.

1. Beige: Archaic-Instinctual . The level of basic survival; food, water, warmth, sex, and safety have priority. Uses habits and instincts just to survive. Distinct self is barely awakened or sustained. Forms into survival bands to perpetuate life.

Where seen: First human societies, newborn infants, senile elderly, late-stage Alzheimer's victims, mentally ill street people, starving masses, shell shock. Approximately 0.1% of the adult population, 0% power.

2. Purple: Magical-Animistic . Thinking is animistic; magical spirits, good and bad, swarm the earth leaving blessings, curses, and spells which determine events. Forms into ethnic tribes . The spirits exist in ancestors and bond the tribe. Kinship and lineage establish political links. Sounds "holistic" but is actually atomistic: "there is a name for each bend in the river but no name for the river."

Where seen: Belief in voodoo-like curses, blood oaths, ancient grudges, good luck charms, family rituals, magical ethnic beliefs and superstitions; strong in Third-World settings, gangs, athletic teams, and corporate "tribes." 10% of the population, 1% of the power.

3. Red: Power Gods . First emergence of a self distinct from the tribe; powerful, impulsive, egocentric, heroic. Magical-mythic spirits, dragons, beasts, and powerful people. Archetypal gods and goddesses, powerful beings, forces to be reckoned with, both good and bad. Feudal lords protect underlings in exchange for obedience and labor. The basis of feudal empires --power and glory. The world is a jungle full of threats and predators. Conquers, out-foxes, and dominates; enjoys self to the fullest without regret or remorse; be here now.

Where seen: The "terrible twos," rebellious youth, frontier mentalities, feudal kingdoms, epic heroes, James Bond villains, gang leaders, soldiers of fortune, New-Age narcissism, wild rock stars, Atilla the Hun, Lord of the Flies . 20% of the population, 5% of the power.

4. Blue: Mythic Order . Life has meaning, direction, and purpose, with outcomes determined by an all-powerful Other or Order. This righteous Order enforces a code of conduct based on absolutist and unvarying principles of "right" and "wrong." Violating the code or rules has severe, perhaps everlasting repercussions. Following the code yields rewards for the faithful. Basis of ancient nations . Rigid social hierarchies; paternalistic; one right way and only one right way to think about everything. Law and order; impulsivity controlled through guilt; concrete-literal and fundamentalist belief; obedience to the rule of Order; strongly conventional and conformist. Often "religious" or "mythic" [in the mythic-membership sense; Graves and Beck refer to it as the "saintly/absolutistic" level], but can be secular or atheistic Order or Mission.

Where seen: Puritan America, Confucian China, Dickensian England, Singapore discipline, totalitarianism, codes of chivalry and honor, charitable good deeds, religious fundamentalism (e.g., Christian and Islamic), Boy and Girl Scouts, "moral majority," patriotism. 40% of the population, 30% of the power.

5. Orange: Scientific Achievement . At this wave, the self "escapes" from the "herd mentality" of blue, and seeks truth and meaning in individualistic terms--hypothetico-deductive, experimental, objective, mechanistic, operational--"scientific" in the typical sense. The world is a rational and well-oiled machine with natural laws that can be learned, mastered, and manipulated for one's own purposes. Highly achievement oriented, especially (in America) toward materialistic gains. The laws of science rule politics, the economy, and human events. The world is a chess-board on which games are played as winners gain pre-eminence and perks over losers. Marketplace alliances; manipulate earth's resources for one's strategic gains. Basis of corporate states .

Where seen: The Enlightenment, Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged , Wall Street, emerging middle classes around the world, cosmetics industry, trophy hunting, colonialism, the Cold War, fashion industry, materialism, secular humanism, liberal self-interest. 30% of the population, 50% of the power.

6. Green: The Sensitive Self . Communitarian, human bonding, ecological sensitivity, networking. The human spirit must be freed from greed, dogma, and divisiveness; feelings and caring supersede cold rationality; cherishing of the earth, Gaia, life. Against hierarchy; establishes lateral bonding and linking. Permeable self, relational self, group intermeshing. Emphasis on dialogue, relationships. Basis of value communities (i.e., freely chosen affiliations based on shared sentiments). Reaches decisions through reconciliation and consensus (downside: interminable "processing" and incapacity to reach decisions). Refresh spirituality, bring harmony, enrich human potential. Strongly egalitarian, anti-hierarchy, pluralistic values, social construction of reality, diversity, multiculturalism, relativistic value systems; this worldview is often called pluralistic relativism . Subjective, nonlinear thinking; shows a greater degree of affective warmth, sensitivity, and caring, for earth and all its inhabitants.

Where seen: Deep ecology, postmodernism, Netherlands idealism, Rogerian counseling, Canadian health care, humanistic psychology, liberation theology, cooperative inquiry, World Council of Churches, Greenpeace, animal rights, ecofeminism, post-colonialism, Foucault/Derrida, politically correct, diversity movements, human rights issues, ecopsychology. 10% of the population, 15% of the power. [Note: this is 10% of the world population. Don Beck estimates that around 20-25% of the American population is green.]

With the completion of the green meme, human consciousness is poised for a quantum jump into "second-tier thinking." Clare Graves referred to this as a "momentous leap," where "a chasm of unbelievable depth of meaning is crossed." In essence, with second-tier consciousness, one can think both vertically and horizontally, using both hierarchies and heterarchies (both ranking and linking). One can therefore, for the first time, vividly grasp the entire spectrum of interior development , and thus see that each level, each meme, each wave is crucially important for the health of the overall Spiral.

As I would word it, each wave is "transcend and include." That is, each wave goes beyond (or transcends) its predecessor, and yet it includes or embraces it in its own makeup. For example, a cell transcends but includes molecules, which transcend but include atoms. To say that a molecule goes beyond an atom is not to say that molecules hate atoms, but that they love them: they embrace them in their own makeup; they include them, they don't marginalize them. Just so, each wave of existence is a fundamental ingredient of all subsequent waves, and thus each is to be cherished and embraced.

Moreover, each wave can itself be activated or reactivated as life circumstances warrant. In emergency situations, we can activate red power drives; in response to chaos, we might need to activate blue order; in looking for a new job, we might need orange achievement drives; in marriage and with friends, close green bonding. All of these memes have something important to contribute.

But what none of the first-tier memes can do, on their own, is fully appreciate the existence of the other memes. Each of the first-tier memes thinks that its worldview is the correct or best perspective. It reacts negatively if challenged; it lashes out, using its own tools, whenever it is threatened. Blue order is very uncomfortable with both red impulsiveness and orange individualism. Orange individualism thinks blue order is for suckers and green egalitarianism is weak and woo-woo. Green egalitarianism cannot easily abide excellence and value rankings, big pictures, hierarchies, or anything that appears authoritarian, and thus green reacts strongly to blue, orange, and anything post-green.

All of that begins to change with second-tier thinking. Because second-tier consciousness is fully aware of the interior stages of development--even if it cannot articulate them in a technical fashion--it steps back and grasps the big picture, and thus second-tier thinking appreciates the necessary role that all of the various memes play . Second-tier awareness thinks in terms of the overall spiral of existence, and not merely in the terms of any one level.

Where the green meme begins to grasp the numerous different systems and pluralistic contexts that exist in different cultures (which is why it is indeed the sensitive self, i.e., sensitive to the marginalization of others), second-tier thinking goes one step further. It looks for the rich contexts that link and join these pluralistic systems, and thus it takes these separate systems and begins to embrace, include, and integrate them into holistic spirals and integral meshworks. Second-tier thinking, in other words, is instrumental in moving from relativism to holism, or from pluralism to integralism .

The extensive research of Graves, Beck, and Cowan indicates that there are at least two major waves to this second-tier integral consciousness:

7. Yellow: Integrative . Life is a kaleidoscope of natural hierarchies [holarchies], systems, and forms. Flexibility, spontaneity, and functionality have the highest priority. Differences and pluralities can be integrated into interdependent, natural flows. Egalitarianism is complemented with natural degrees of ranking and excellence. Knowledge and competency should supersede power, status, or group sensitivity. The prevailing world order is the result of the existence of different levels of reality (memes) and the inevitable patterns of movement up and down the dynamic spiral. Good governance facilitates the emergence of entities through the levels of increasing complexity (nested hierarchy). 1% of the population, 5% of the power.

8. Turquoise: Holistic . Universal holistic system, holons/waves of integrative energies; unites feeling with knowledge; multiple levels interwoven into one conscious system. Universal order, but in a living, conscious fashion, not based on external rules (blue) or group bonds (green). A "grand unification" [a "theory of everything" or T.O.E.] is possible, in theory and in actuality. Sometimes involves the emergence of a new spirituality as a meshwork of all existence. Turquoise thinking uses the entire Spiral; sees multiple levels of interaction; detects harmonics, the mystical forces, and the pervasive flow-states that permeate any organization. 0.1% of the population, 1% of the power.

With less than 2 percent of the population at second-tier thinking (and only 0.1 percent at turquoise), second-tier consciousness is relatively rare because it is now the "leading-edge" of collective human evolution. As examples, Beck and Cowan mention items that include Teilhard de Chardin's noosphere, chaos and complexity theories, universal systems thinking, integral-holistic theories, Gandhi's and Mandela's pluralistic integration, with increases in frequency definitely on the way, and even higher memes still in the offing....

Quantum Wrote:Thank you for a 2nd time (i.e. zenmaster). It seems very congruent indeed (i.e. to the LOO), and almost a heeding of sorts as a means of avoiding the trappings and pitfalls of what I have come to name "Metaphizzler Consciousness" which may do no more harm than simple daydreaming without substance of a better world, to an outright arrested spiritual development.

zenmaster Wrote:Each developmental level may have both healthy (supportive) and pathological (destructive) manifestations
(insert: here zenmaster is referring to Ken Wilber's pre-trans fallacies)
http://rationalspirituality.com/articles/NatureOfNature.htm
For example, "Metaphizzler Consciousness" and shortcut thinking are pathological conditions associated with the "Green vMeme" level of the Spiral Dynamics model
(entire article in above post). It's as if one meets a part of themselves there, for the first time, and gets "stuck" in a kind of trap. So there is slowed progress towards that jump to "2nd tier" thinking or feeling. As Ra said: "In order for the Transformation of Mind to occur, one principle governing the use of the deep mind must be abandoned."

Have you considered this:
subdensity - SD vMeme - Logos Archetype - Mind - Body - Sprit
1 - Beige - Matrix - Magician - Justice - Devil
2 - Purple - Potentiator - Priestess - Hermit - Tower
3 - Red - Catalyst - Empress - Wheel - Star
4 - Blue - Experience - Emporor - Strength - Moon
5 - Orange - Significator - Heiorphant - Hanged Man - Sun
6 - Green - Transformation - Lovers - Death - Judgement
7 - Yellow - Great Way - Chariot - Temperance - World

(04-14-2009, 10:09 PM)PandaB Wrote: The best way to prevent to Earth from being destroyed is to adopt a Vegan diet. this prevents killing karma, as well as toxic gas...the negative karma from killing billions of sentient animal beings is causing the destruction and has to be stopped.
the critical mass effect will influence the other people on the Earth to become veg.

One way for a person to make a big shift to the positive service to others and help save the Earth is to be Veg,

(05-14-2009, 01:36 PM)Sirius Wrote: This thread seems to have wandered far from "gut feelings" so I might as well put my thought into words.

The nearly never ending argument of the sudden shift vs the gradual shift into 4D. Those who think it will be in the 700 year transition period, what does 2012 actually represent to you?

(06-08-2009, 04:15 PM)irpsit Wrote:

(05-14-2009, 01:36 PM)Sirius Wrote: This thread seems to have wandered far from "gut feelings" so I might as well put my thought into words.

The nearly never ending argument of the sudden shift vs the gradual shift into 4D. Those who think it will be in the 700 year transition period, what does 2012 actually represent to you?

My gut feeling is for some surprises in and the time after 2012, but not the sudden transition. My gut feeling is for the gradual 500 years transition.

The surprise would be, I think, the most dramatic time period of change ever, exactly as it is happening now. A few geological phenomena, conflicts, social crisis giving way to pockets of communitarian and local-based living. My first gut feeling is for both stressful but at the same time awesome inspiring years!!!

Actually, when I try to visualize myself in 2012 I see myself in nature, away from whatever may be happening, and contemplating the stars and the calm sea waters, with a couple of close ones.

And, what are your gut feelings???

(06-08-2009, 04:45 PM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote: This is along the lines of what I have been feeling... only with periods of near instanteous transformation then back to periods of gradual transformation. and so on... These times are changing rapidly.
This is what I have been feeling. That's my two cents for what it is worth. LOL

fairyfarmgirl

(11-03-2009, 11:31 AM)Wildcat Wrote: Ra also said that in order to move to 4D, the physical 3D body must die. (Ra seemed to think this was no biggy... easy for Ra to say, right?) So we know that in order to graduate, we have to first physically die. Now the question becomes, will we die of the same stuff we die of now (cancer, heart attack, car wrecks, plane crashes, wars, etc)? Or will we all die instantly at the same time because of something we cannot foresee like an energetic event which we have no frame of reference for?

(11-14-2009, 01:27 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: We are not weak, sinful, shameful human creatures who have to somehow earn the right to become Spiritual. We are Spiritual Beings having a human experience. ~Robert Burney

(11-21-2009, 07:14 PM)Life Wrote: Hi...
I intuit that although ... there may be a continuation of life on gaia as we know it, that there may also be a nano-second in which we face our "higher" self, as at death, and then chose whether or not to return to planet earth 3rd density, as it moves to 4th density, move on to 4th density or move on to our natural home density according to our light quotient.