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RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-11-2021
Here is an answer from Ra about kundalini:
Quote:"Questioner: What process would be the recommended process for correctly awakening, as they say, the kundalini and of what value would that be?
Ra: I am Ra. The metaphor of the coiled serpent being called upwards is vastly appropriate for consideration by your peoples. This is what you are attempting when you seek. There are, as we have stated, great misapprehensions concerning this metaphor and the nature of pursuing its goal. We must generalize and ask that you grasp the fact that this in effect renders far less useful that which we share. However, as each entity is unique, generalities are our lot when communicating for your possible edification.
We have two types of energy. We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers. The two methods of approaching this with sensible method are first, the seating within one’s self of those experiences which are attracted to the entity through the south pole. Each experience will need to be observed, experienced, balanced, accepted, and seated within the individual. As the entity grows in self-acceptance and awareness of catalyst the location of the comfortable seating of these experiences will rise to the new true-color entity. The experience, whatever it may be, will be seated in red ray and considered as to its survival content and so forth.
Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.
Meanwhile the Creator lies within. In the north pole the crown is already upon the head and the entity is potentially a god. This energy is brought into being by the humble and trusting acceptance of this energy through meditation and contemplation of the self and of the Creator.
Where these energies meet is where the serpent will have achieved its height. When this uncoiled energy approaches universal love and radiant being the entity is in a state whereby the harvestability of the entity comes nigh." - Law of One 49.6
That's puzzling, because I read that prana is a form of kundalini, so that's only one energy. Ra talks about the other energy as universal love, which to me includes unity. So kundalini could be a polarity kind of energy! A duality form of energy. And I found:
Quote:"Historic and modern day symbolism of Kundalini energy shows a coiled serpent resting at the base of the human spine. Kundalini is also illustrated as two serpents intertwined around one another as they climb the spine. " - https://www.chakras.info/kundalini-serpent/
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-11-2021
With esoteric information, there is often a public meaning hiding the true meaning. This is likely true for kundalini too.
To speculate, if so, then what is the true meaning of kundalini? My guess at the moment is that kundalini represents duality without oneness. There is only oneness which includes duality so kundalini is like a "stage magician", like a trickster serpent like in the garden of Eden. Like "sin", which means to miss the mark.
Kundalini produces the 8th sphere and the veil. Kundalini rising means lifting the veil. And the pharaohs in Ancient Egypt have broken through the veil indicated by a snake coming out of the forehead. And the Hindu god Shiva has the veil removed altogether illustrated by a snake being outside of him.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-11-2021
Esoteric information seems very hidden, very veiled, haha. So I feel the need to speculate when it comes to the meaning of esoteric terms and symbolism.
The two pillar symbolism is huge. My guess is that the two pillars represent kundalini which in turn represents the illusion of only duality. Even in modern times, for example the World Trade Center twin towers turning into the One World Trade Center. Ra in the Law of One describes our reality as an illusion.
Jesus said be wise as serpents. One interpretation is that Jesus told his disciples to be wise when living in the world of only duality. Meaning wise AS serpents, where serpent here represents our fallen state. So the serpent, even in the Bible represents the duality illusion, not a symbol for wisdom itself.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-11-2021
We can call the tendency to take esoteric information at face value "esoteric bypassing", meaning being caught in surface interpretations making us spin into all kinds of astral tangents divorced from the material world.
But is there any truth to esoteric information? Is there then any truth to for example the heart being a center for oneness? Yes, I think so, because the nervous system is a duality structure, especially the brain which is divided into a left and a right side. And the heart is a single structure with the cardiovascular system bringing nutrition and information to the cells in the body through the blood as a single unit.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-11-2021
Then what about for example chakras? They are important as an esoteric concept. Are the chakras real? Someone said that the chakras are only symbols and not actual energy centers. But Candace Pert wrote in the book Molecules of Emotion that she as a neuroscientist was shown a drawing of the chakras by an eastern guru and when they put the drawing on top of a picture of the human nervous system, the chakras aligned with nerve centers along the spine. So I believe the chakras are real energy centers.
I can also simplify it and say that kundalini is simply the tensions in the body and mind. That's consistent with kundalini representing a trap of being caught in only duality. The lack of oneness realization causes the tensions. And the tensions in turn cause the spiritual entropy Ra has talked about and so on, so that's a simplified model that can be unpacked into more detailed descriptions in the form of chakras etc.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-12-2021
Teal Swan said that kundalini can be still or it can be moving, and it's still energetic in the non-moving state, she said. That's similar to my new idea of kundalini as tensions in the body. Or, to modify my idea, trapped and still kundalini is the tensions and when the tensions dissolve the kundalini energy can start flowing.
I also found this older video by Teal Swan about kundalini:
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-12-2021
Ra mentioned that there is kundalini and also one another kind of energy. My new idea is that when kundalini is trapped it's because of a lack of integration of duality which causes tensions. And it may even be that the main tension is at the base of the spine.
And the other form of energy Ra talked about comes in my model from consciousness which is oneness. And when the trapped duality in the kundalini becomes integrated with consciousness the kundalini energy can start flowing.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-12-2021
Sadhguru said that kundalini is the energy for all life force. That made me think that the moon represents kundalini energy trapped in duality, which causes the moon lock that Gigi Young has talked about. And the sun generates kundalini as flowing energy. And between the moon (and also Saturn) and the sun, earth is suspended as having both trapped and flowing kundalini energy.
Removing the veil then is about making the trapped kundalini energy, including in our bodies and minds, start flowing. I have actually experienced at least a little bit of dissolving of tensions in my body since the Lion's Gate portal. The heart is key I think for dissolving the tensions, but I will also focus conscious awareness on the base of my spine to see if there is a major kundalini tension there.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-12-2021
I experimented with inner body awareness of the bottom of my spine. And the tension there is around a fairly large area about the size of a grapefruit. Not much tensions but I have practiced inner body awareness for years! So I know how deceptive such feelings can be. The tensions usually go much deeper than that and the deeper layers are at first subconscious so they are unknown at first.
And another issue is that there is a constant numbing out effect of feelings including of the tensions in the body. That's very dangerous. Prolonged or chronic numbness causes disease and deterioration of biological tissue. So the numbness needs to be removed somehow without causing too much pain.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-12-2021
New Law of One video by Aaron Abke! Service-to-self I realized is a result of the veil.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
Morgue said that we have different personas depending on the situation. We have one persona at work, a different persona when interacting with our family members and yet another persona when being with friends and so on.
Quote:"A persona (plural personae or personas), depending on the context, can refer to either the public image of one's personality, or the social role that one adopts, or a fictional character.[1] The word derives from Latin, where it originally referred to a theatrical mask.[2] " - Wikipedia
And if I understood Morgue correctly, behind the different personas is our shadow! The shadow in the sense of the self that we want to hide. That makes it easier to understand why the heart-based action practice I proposed earlier is so difficult in practice. Because that's about acting directly from heart feelings without any persona as a public shield.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
Even thought the hear-based action practice is very difficult I think it's in line with what spiritual teachers like Vernon Howard have talked about who often pointed out how phony we humans are. That's almost scary since it means that our whole society is a huge charade of personas basically.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
Wow, Vernon Howard said that we are impulsive even with our ordinary personalities. I was thinking that it was our personalities that prevented impulsiveness. I recognize now that actually there are two different kinds of impulsiveness. One kind is when we act directly from instincts and feelings without thinking first. The other kind, which I think Vernon meant, is that our personas have trained habits in them for how we should behave in order to protect and promote ourselves in social situations.
Our personas become conditioned and strengthened and they come to act as pseudo-securities for how to behave. And the habitual behavior through our hardened and rigid personas can indeed be seen as impulsiveness, because the habits become instinctual patterns of "canned" responses, personal tactics and behaviors that are accessed directly without having to come up with new thoughts for how to behave. In this way our personas become a huge and strongly cemented part of the veil.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
Vernon Howard also said that we have to make a choice. And he also said in some lecture that what Jesus meant by how we need to deny ourselves, how we need to die in order to find our life is the death of our personal self. And Ra also talked about a Choice! Something like that. I think Ra meant the same as what Vernon was talking about and it's just that Vernon targeted a small special audience who could be told more directly about it. The Law of One targets a much broader audience I think.
And the personal self here means the collection of our personas as I see it. Our personas need to be harvested, haha. Meaning, the valuable personal uniqueness will be preserved and the personal strategies and protectiveness thrown out like dirty bathwater, because those are actually common structures for all of humanity only with different content. See for example Leo Gura's video about content vs structure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq3htbsa5rk
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
Another thing Vernon Howard said is that we should be scared all day. That might sound counterproductive but it's about becoming aware of the fear in oneself. We have fear 24/7! Whether we are aware of it or not. Sometimes the fear is subconscious and can only be noticed indirectly such as through anger. As it says in the Star Wars fiction: fear leads to anger.
And that makes the heart-based action practice extra difficult. The first thing encountered in the practice is the fear within ourselves. The fear needs to be decomposed, which is the blackening and first stage in esoteric alchemy.
Quote:"In alchemy, nigredo, or blackness, means putrefaction or decomposition. Many alchemists believed that as a first step in the pathway to the philosopher's stone, all alchemical ingredients had to be cleansed and cooked extensively to a uniform black matter.[1]
In analytical psychology, the term became a metaphor for "the dark night of the soul, when an individual confronts the shadow within."[2]" - Wikipedia
The text "when an individual confronts the shadow within" in the Wikipedia quote is very accurate! The dark night of the soul however is in my opinion only when there is an unconscious and prematurely spontaneous activation of the blackening stage where the situation becomes extremely nasty. With the heart-based action practice the blackening state is deliberate and with personal control, so if it gets too scary or nasty one can let go of the practice.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
To add insult to injury for the personas, the heart-based action practice can start with fear in the heart and confusion in the mind. The blackening stage is about dissolving the personas so that the personal shadow can heal and the caterpillar being transformed into a butterfly.
Feeling the fear is a useful part of the practice but if the thinking mind remains adamant and seemingly confident, it will reinforce the old personas. Adding the confusion part prevents the mind from reinforcing and repeating old patterns. I wonder if there already is some similar method like this. If so it'a likely very rare as a direct teaching since it's an injury to the personas and an insult to encrusted self.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
Gigi's answer to the first question in her new Q&A video I find interesting. It's about experiencing static noise in relation to the third eye. Gigi said that the third eye can function like a radio receiver and there can be static before it's tuned. And I came to think of how static noise is like confusion! And I read somewhere that some people interpret the third eye as meaning the cerebellum. So instead of focusing awareness of the confusion in the mind in general an experiment is to focus on the cerebellum in the back of the head and sense the confusion there.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
We also have an inner persona! Maybe psychology already has terms for that. For me it was a new realization that I have public personas and also an inner persona which is how I think about myself.
The inner persona will be very tricky to harvest. Fortunately it's an evolutionary process I think. The choice then is simply to recognize the possibility of harvest.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
I learned about spiritual teacher Barry Long today. I hadn't heard of him before. And he seems to be describing the inner persona. Very unusual teaching, even for spirituality, so I don't know what to make of his teachings yet, but he talked about how there is no room for the spoiler in the pure psyche. And by the spoiler he means the self that is between the I and the substance of pure sensation. That sounds precisely like the inner persona, and it's maybe the same as what other spiritual teachers call the ego, but anyway I found it to be a different kind of teaching than the usual nonduality teachers.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
Aaron Abke has this new video where he mentioned that we don't question our own thoughts. Very interesting observation! What if many of our own thoughts are sneaky lies produced by the veil?
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
If many of our own thoughts are lies, then how to determine which thoughts are true and which are false? According to my theory, the veil and fear go together. So thoughts with fear in them are false.
It's still tricky though. Because there is also confusion. Especially about "should" and "shouldn't" thoughts, and all the "what if" thoughts. Those thoughts are a huge mess. Here I believe a useful practice is related to the heart-based action practice, to deliberately go into the confusion instead of trying to use thinking.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-13-2021
The next step after recognizing the confusion in the mind is to go to clarity!
Quote:"Empty your mind of all thoughts.
Let your heart be at peace." - Tao Te Ching, Verse 16
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-14-2021
I'm not sure that emptying the mind is the best description (the Tao Te Ching is difficult to translate and there exist several translations). Clearing the mind seems like a better candidate to me now. Thoughts limited by the veil can be seen as crystallized spiritual entropy, or even as ordinary entropy which means disorder, decay and randomness.
And it's the veil that produces entropy. And entropy I now believe is actually order and it's just that we can't recognize it because of the veil. And thoughts limited by the veil are a product of the mind struggling with trying to bring order out of the entropy.
So the confusion and the thoughts are the same one ocean of entropy. This means that instead of emptying the mind, which risks leaving the entropy remaining to recognize the thoughts as a part of the confusion. And clarity comes when the mind clears up all the confusion, both the thoughts and what we usually call confusion, through consciousness.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-14-2021
I believe that our world is the real reality. Then what does Ra mean by our world being an illusion? I think Ra means that the veil causes an artificial overlay, limiting our third density reality. The veil forces humanity to develop on its own in unique and creative ways. And the veil has shaped our individual personalities. So the veil is necessary and valuable.
And my guess is that it goes very deep. For example the past I see as real yet that all the past, all the way from the Big Bang and even before that in previous octaves to possibly zillions of octaves down (the future has an infinite number of octaves), is only information in the now. So nothing has happened in some past stretching outside of the now.
And with the past only being now, that has profound implications, such as nobody has ever died in the past. Leo Gura has this video which I will take a look at again to compare with:
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-14-2021
A clear mind depends on consciousness. Shunyamurti has this new video where he talks about how we tend to take our consciousness for granted without exploring it deeply and what it is capable of. That's a good point. I think that expanding the perspective of consciousness clears the mind and awakens the heart. There is great fear in exploring the depth of consciousness though, Shunyamurti said. And the fear in my view is a result of the veil causing confusion which hardens into fear. So in theory dissolving the fear is "simply" about realizing consciousness as oneness which transmutes the fear into inner peace. Because the veil is the apparent separation and lack of oneness.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Louisabell - 08-14-2021
(08-14-2021, 03:58 PM)Anders Wrote: A clear mind depends on consciousness. Shunyamurti has this new video where he talks about how we tend to take our consciousness for granted without exploring it deeply and what it is capable of. That's a good point. I think that expanding the perspective of consciousness clears the mind and awakens the heart. There is great fear in exploring the depth of consciousness though, Shunyamurti said. And the fear in my view is a result of the veil causing confusion which hardens into fear. So in theory dissolving the fear is "simply" about realizing consciousness as oneness which transmutes the fear into inner peace. Because the veil is the apparent separation and lack of oneness.
Just wanted to add my thoughts in addition to what was written above. I think that it is this growing sense of oneness, and feeling of belonging within the creation, that can allow someone to feel more comfortable being in a state of confusion behind the veil, or more aptly called - the state of not-knowing. Perhaps it is through this relaxation and acceptance of what is, spirit having a human experience, that we may go deeper in our explorations of the great resources of the mind.
Ra Wrote:84.7 Questioner: Thank you. I’m sure that we are getting into an area of problem with the first distortion here, and also with a difficulty in a bit of transient material here, but I have two questions from people that I’ll ask, although I consider especially the first one to be of no lasting value. Andrija Puharich asks about coming physical changes, specifically this summer. Is there anything that we could relay to him about that?
Ra: I am Ra. We may confirm the good intention of the source of this entity’s puzzles and suggest that it is a grand choice that each may make to, by desire, collect the details of the day or, by desire, to seek the keys to unknowing.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - flofrog - 08-14-2021
I so agree Louisabell.....
the keys of unknowing, how about this that we are all seeking !!!!
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Anders - 08-14-2021
My interpretation is that there are two keys of unknowing, one silver key and one golden key. These can be found on the Vatican coat of arms. The silver key represents the whitening stage in esoteric alchemy and the golden key represents the yellowing stage.
They are called keys of unknowing since they unlock the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The tree of knowledge represents duality divorced from oneness. This is the veil of kundalini trapped in duality that causes all sins.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Ohr Ein Sof - 08-14-2021
(08-14-2021, 06:41 PM)Anders Wrote: My interpretation is that there are two keys of unknowing, one silver key and one golden key. These can be found on the Vatican coat of arms. The silver key represents the whitening stage in esoteric alchemy and the golden key represents the yellowing stage.
They are called keys of unknowing since they unlock the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The tree of knowledge represents duality divorced from oneness. This is the veil of kundalini trapped in duality that causes all sins.
Well, you may be onto something Anders. May I ask you to possibly consider another view regarding the golden key and the silver key and that tree of knowledge? Not trying to change your mind though, ok? Just another view is all.
The golden key could be considered the conscious mind, consciousness.
The silver key could be considered the subconscious mind (but not exactly unconsciousness)
The tree of knowledge of good and evil sort of speculates that if one were to partake of it could know something regarding creation but much deeper than that actually. I just am giving you something to consider and feel you can research Theosophical and Hermetical knowledge concerning these ideas. Many religions have adopted the same symbols that are universal. This doesn't mean that if the Vatican were sporting these symbols that the symbols are corrupt, right? Perhaps the Vatican is as it holds a little too much power and wealth. But anyway, I leave you with that. Good luck with all this research you are doing! It seems to pile up fast sometimes! Anyway, I give you this and thanks for all the posts.
RE: Removing the veil of separation - Ohr Ein Sof - 08-14-2021
Oh, one more thing, in the form of a question. What do you suppose those keys unlock?