(06-04-2021, 01:49 AM)Ralib1 Wrote: I just wanna add my two cents. Any psychic or medium will tell you to NEVER use a Ouija board. Unlike, Ra's narrow band transmission. The Oujia board is a open gateway for ANY entity to communicate through without infringing on free will. I immediately felt a negative vibe just from reading the first page. They mentioned they were from nearby Orion and that they were there for "prophecy" and then started giving messages or doom and fear, and natural disasters. If this was an attempt to masquerade as a positive STO being they weren't very convincing.

(06-07-2021, 06:14 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: And I think when F. left, the result was basically that it all became molded to fit LKJ's personal agenda, as the lower-level winner of a power struggle below the level of the channeled source. The years with F. have Cassiopaeans that more often disagree with LKJ, and that's also the early times with the most interesting little metaphysical ideas in sessions IMO.

(06-08-2021, 09:14 AM)Azarnac Wrote:

(06-07-2021, 06:14 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: And I think when F. left, the result was basically that it all became molded to fit LKJ's personal agenda, as the lower-level winner of a power struggle below the level of the channeled source. The years with F. have Cassiopaeans that more often disagree with LKJ, and that's also the early times with the most interesting little metaphysical ideas in sessions IMO.

This is likely what happened, judging by what has changed and happened since then.
Those who have read the transcripts(in fact, this is how I came across the C's in the first place; some torrent archive contained the pdf that had all sessions from the beginning up until the 2000s) will notice the stark difference between the early and later sessions. There are genuine nuggets in the early sessions, and whatever it was they were talking to, it often disagreed with LKJ and told her to go beyond her anthropomorphic and Christian views. This radically changed in the 2000s and has remained the same since then.
Especially since 2018 or so, there is almost no pretension anymore that the "C's" have become the mouthpiece for whatever LKJ needs for her organization(C's asking people to donate more money to LKJ etc.).
In the latest session from a week ago or so many people from the FOTCM were invited to attend the session and the Cs were asked what the greatest weakness of the forum community/FOTCM is. They answered that they lacked true co-linearity.
I think it likely that this will be interpreted along esoteric lines(think Mouravieff and the exo-, meso-, and esoteric groups and the theoretical idea that people need to align their understanding) but in practice, it might just be that LKJ wants even stronger groupthink among her followers, a true Nazi "Gleichschaltung", as we Germans say.

Regarding the Oujia Board, I had, for some time, believed it to be a toy invented in the 20th century. It turns out that some similar looking devices had been in use for centuries before our time. Interestingly, Daoists in China, specifically the Quanzhen movement, used it as part of their practice up until the Qing Dynasty(the last one that ended in 1911) banned their use.
Why it was banned I have been unable to ascertain so far.
It might be that LKJs use of the Oujia board stems from Christian prejudice towards "demonic" possession and a need for intellectual control. Intuitively speaking, it seems to me that trance possession yields to a more "direct line" than board use. In line with their condescending attitude towards Eastern religions that favor the non-intellectual, the Chateau group seems to like what doesn't change their tight intellectual grip and doesn't veer into other states of consciousness.

Quote:Now, we would begin by suggesting that you consider that there is to wisdom a kind of dual aspect. There is that aspect which is receptive, and with respect to this aspect you are attempting to ascertain truths, shall we say, about your environment, about others within your environment, and about yourself, which can be integrated with other information, other truths, which you have already taken in. In this context, the question before you is simply, "What is the nature of this information I seek to take in? What is the tendency of the information which I seek to take in?" In general, you could say that information which tends to incite fear, information which tends to promote the sense of separation, or information which seems to suggest the possibility for aggrandizing the self, that this information is of a negative tendency or polarity. On the other hand, if you find yourself being confronted with information which suggests joy, which suggests an opening of free possibility, which suggests acceptance of others, and the opportunity to be of help to others, you can be sure that you are confronted with the marks of the positive tendency in creation, or as we have called it, the positive polarity.

Now, you are aware that it is an essential consideration for those who attempt to develop spiritually from within the context of the veiled experience that you should polarize one way or the other. That is to say, that you must choose. That which comes to you simply as wisdom, therefore, in an unpolarized sense, that which comes to you as wisdom in other words in which the tendencies of polarity are ambiguous, must be taken up in such a way that the choice that you make will redirect the energies in the direction of your choice so that should they be, as they are for this group, of the positive polarity, you have ensured, to yourself, that you can seat this wisdom in a context of service to other selves and not a context of service to self.

So, the question becomes, "How might you achieve this result?" And in moving to an answer to this question, we would like to take up the second phase of wisdom, which is that phase complimentary to, but not to be substituted for, the receptive phase. This we would call the "expressive phase of wisdom." When you are considering information, possibilities, that you are unsure about, you might ask yourself "What would be the significance of taking this information up into my process so that as it works to engage my own process, so that it works to augment my possibilities of self-realization in the complex of energies which constitute the environment around me, the society to which I belong, how might all of this contribute to creating a more accepting, a more loving environment?"

Quote:Now, on many occasions that which is negative in its innermost tendency will masquerade, so to speak, as positive, and it can lead one astray to take up bits and pieces of information which have a tendency to promote fear or separation, and together with those tendencies, be emotional by-products of them, such as hostility, hate, or distrust. And to suggest that these elements of truth which are present in your every day environment are negative is merely to suggest that there is already a great deal of polarity available to you in implicit suggestion, in propensity, and it does require, on your part, an active process of winnowing in order to sort out that which is negative in its tendency from that which is positive in its potential.

Now, we would say, that in truth, everything which is negative in its tendency, is also simultaneously positive in its potential, which is only to say that the choice, after all, is yours concerning how wisdom shall be used. The choice is yours concerning how you will take up the power that is invested within the information that comes into your hands. The choice is yours, and it is important to have a practice, which is regular, according to which you avail yourself of the possibility of carefully examining every last uptake into your own being, so that when it comes to manifesting that being, you can be clear that it will bear the mark of your love, that it will bear the mark of your compassion, that it will bear the mark of your resolve that nothing should come through you that has not been tested in the depths of your own being and found to be consistent with the value for which you stand.

Quote:Oh, my friends, it is so easy to get moved off one's mark, because wisdom, by itself, so very often, is overwhelming in its complexity, and therefore, is able to bear little pieces of negativity, little pieces of a kind of polarized inclination or propensity, that falls beneath the threshold of your attention, and so something taken up in all innocence can be seen later to have contained a tendency so fundamentally opposed to what you would embrace, so fundamentally opposed to what you would desire to manifest, that you are quite moved beyond your center, and find yourself scrambling to make amends for what you have come to think must have been a bad, bad mistake. Dealing with mistakes, or what appear to be mistakes, is part and parcel of the third-density experience, and so a good portion of your effort at seeking will be taken up by a process of review, a process of reassessment, and no single individual has been able to escape completely unscathed from the effect of having catalyst go awry.

(06-08-2021, 04:57 PM)Dtris Wrote: 1911 was the year that the Republic of China was founded. At various points thru chinese history they cracked down on traditional Taoist and Buddhist practices. In particulat the communist revolution attempted to secularize society completely.

(02-24-2021, 09:55 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-24-2021, 08:24 PM)Dtris Wrote: You bring up Icke and Wilcock. I think you are making an error in attributing the missteps of these public figures to negative influence. While that is a possibility, it is much more likely that these fellow flawed humans have their own biases and errors which they make. Wilcock personally led me to the Ra material and I have a huge amount of respect for him and his work, even if there are portions I personally disagree with.

As for Wilcock, I feel the same way, and has done a tremendous service, the point was that he admits to "falling for" some premises given to him, and the risk was (is) his legacy/teachings, and the potential collapse is something everyone should learn from. He gets alot of undeserved flak IMO, and I appreciate the situation he's in is fraught with pitfalls. I do believe the more light you try to shine, the more undesirable attention one may get. It's a part of the game here.

(06-08-2021, 09:14 AM)Azarnac Wrote:

(06-07-2021, 06:14 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: And I think when F. left, the result was basically that it all became molded to fit LKJ's personal agenda, as the lower-level winner of a power struggle below the level of the channeled source. The years with F. have Cassiopaeans that more often disagree with LKJ, and that's also the early times with the most interesting little metaphysical ideas in sessions IMO.

This is likely what happened, judging by what has changed and happened since then.
Those who have read the transcripts(in fact, this is how I came across the C's in the first place; some torrent archive contained the pdf that had all sessions from the beginning up until the 2000s) will notice the stark difference between the early and later sessions. There are genuine nuggets in the early sessions, and whatever it was they were talking to, it often disagreed with LKJ and told her to go beyond her anthropomorphic and Christian views. This radically changed in the 2000s and has remained the same since then.
Especially since 2018 or so, there is almost no pretension anymore that the "C's" have become the mouthpiece for whatever LKJ needs for her organization(C's asking people to donate more money to LKJ etc.).

• They both claim to be the same individuals as their channels, though 'from the future'; 
  
• They both claim that, in their future perspective, things are bad and tyrannical, so they intended to change things up with time travel.
  

(10-12-2021, 03:43 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: Even then, they do present some food for thought, and they seem to be over-invested in the course of events at Earth.

It matters little if the content has a religious, or a seemingly neutral glossing, or whatever else. What matters is how the message makes one think and exercise one's mind; instead of choosing to live as a byproduct of dogma.

It is a display of maturity to get in touch with different perspectives of the same prism and to figure out the explicit and underlying connections. In that sense, it might do everyone some good to do so.

(10-12-2021, 03:43 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: It is a display of maturity to get in touch with different perspectives of the same prism and to figure out the explicit and underlying connections. In that sense, it might do everyone some good to do so.

(07-20-2019, 11:39 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: Truth percentages and Bad statistics

Cassiopaean Session 1997-12-31 mentions truth percentages, and the following numbers have been provided for the (older) Cassiopaean material and for the (old published version of) the Ra material:

Ra: ~63%
C's: 71.7%

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Q: (L) What is the origin of the name Appolyon?
A: Light being?
Q: (L) Why is Appolyon called the "destroyer" in Revelation?
A: Backward for sake of deception. Bible corrupted.
Q: (L) You have often stated that the Bible is corrupted, I would like to know who, exactly, corrupted the Bible and when and how they did this?
A: Illuminati brotherhood for a thousand earth years.
Q: (L) Does this mean that up until a thousand years ago the Bible was fairly accurate?
A: No.

Quote:Q: (L) Are any books of the New Testament written by who they claim to be written by?
A: No. Remember this is 70% propaganda.
Q: (L) Is 30% then the truth or the actual teachings?
A: Close. Enough you must decipher from instinct through meditation.

(10-12-2021, 03:43 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:

• They both claim to be the same individuals as their channels, though 'from the future'; 
  
• They both claim that, in their future perspective, things are bad and tyrannical, so they intended to change things up with time travel.
  

In this sense, they can persuade the channel and the audience to legitimize their message, all for the 'sake of the greater good'. Nevertheless, interference is interference, no matter how it's presented or how it frames itself.

In this sense, these sources are both serving their Selves and their agenda.

Neil, Cassiopaea Forum Wrote:

Bhelmet Wrote:4. The "beginning" of the transition period of 1000 years seems to be crucial to me. If the 4D STS are going to try to control us in 4D and they have hybrid bodies ready, it would seem to me that perhaps the mass destruction and death of the current batch of 3d bodies occurs in 3D and the reincarnation occurs in 4th where 'we' will again face another sales job. "Check these bodies out! You can have the best of both worlds!" Or something like that. I would bet they are thinking that the SAME scam that worked 300,000 years ago will work again. The C's did say that it is important WHEN you choose, and I think that there will be a welcoming committee in 4D all lined up to try to sucker us in again.

{This refers to the C's idea that 4D STS lured humanity into the bodies people live in in this world (Earth) long, long ago in the past, trapping people here in a long series of incarnations under the control of a 4D STS system. Before that, supposedly, humanity was less physical and in a different type of body in a 3D STO world.}

Yeah, that was kind of my point. In reading the transcripts, it would seem that the Cassiopaeans have made prognostications on several different timelines, which are occurring concurrently within the framework of a larger multiverse. Some of the sessions seem to contradict each other, however the contradictions disappear if you view time as a probabilistic ocean existing in the plane of eternity, instead of a linear progression.

The first broad group of timelines is where 4D STS completes their agenda, the hybridization is successful, and the circle is closed on a much finer order of control. This is the "tyranny world" that the Pleidians and Marciniak talk about a lot where humans become "cyborgs," a metaphorical description of a hyperdimensional process, or advanced artificial intelligence as Renaissance put it. It is also the future that Jacobs {David Jacobs, author of The Threat} is getting a glimpse into. You would experience this reality if you make the grade for 4D STS.

The second broad group of timelines, has to do with repeating 3D. In this timeline, the cataclysms {predicted cometary bombardment etc.} come and destroy everything, and everything is reset. 4D STS gets a massive boost of energy from culling the herd, and this is used as a springboard to sustain the first group of timelines. The farm {how the current "3D STS world" is sometimes described} is then reconstituted to serve its traditional role as an energy source. You would experience this timeline if you fail to see and understand the point of polarization.

The third broad group of timelines is the timeline that eventually gave birth to the Cassiopaeans and made their transmissions possible. This is the "paradise world" where we eventually evolve into them in what we would perceive to be the distant future. This would be the reality experienced when the Great Work is completed and Mouravieff's last Judgment finally separates the wheat from the tares.

There also seems to be a fourth group that is hinted at from time to time, a timeline where everything goes to complete chaos, people disintegrate, and the planet basically just blows up. This represents a failure for both sides, and no one really wants it.

The splitting of these probabilities probably began in 0 New Year, two years ago {the C's made "the year" marking change 2014 instead of 2012}, but these realms are so different from each other that it takes them a while to "energize." There are 998 years to go, or the equivalent amount in human experiential energy. At this point, the different possibilities exist quite close to each other and overlap to a significant degree. We are in a superposition of possibilities where they all interpenetrate. 4D STS wants to capture the maximum amount of energy from the plane of eternity in order to support the first group of timelines. They erroneously believe they can make it the only choice and therefore the only possible outcome. However, they don't have the power to make something that exists in the plane of eternity nonexistent. It is always there, it is always possible as a choice, existing in the intelligent infinity of the DCM {"Divine Cosmic Mind", God}. When that choice is "found" and actualized, then the third group of timelines becomes manifest.

I expect that 4D STS will use any and all dirty tricks before the timeline has acquired enough energy to split off into the STO realm. It will be quite a struggle to keep up with everything going on. One of the early sessions gave a basic rundown of it, although many more details came later.

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    Q: (L) Is there going to be massive disruption on the planet and maybe a lot of people transitioning out of the body simultaneously because of the interaction of this cluster of comets and the earth.
    A: Close.
    Q: (L) And, shortly following this event, Christ will return?
    A: As part of the whole.
    Q: (L) That is going to be part of the cluster of comets activity?
    A: After.
    Q: (L) What is Christ going to do after he returns?
    A: Teach.
    Q: (L) How many people are going to be on the planet to receive this teaching?
    A: Open.
    Q: (L) May we assume there will be six billion?
    A: Assume as you please.
    Q: (L) You keep saying that the return of Christ is a part of the whole as though there is some important thing that I am missing the question to discover. Consider that question asked... tell me what it is I am missing, please.
    A: Obvious if you have been paying attention.
    Q: (L) And that is...?
    A: The transition to 4th density.
    Q: (L) Is the transition to 4th density going to happen before the comets or after?
    A: After.
    Q: (L) Is the interaction of the comets and the planet earth going to....
    A: Precede the transition.
    Q: (L) Is it going to generate this change in some way?
    A: No.
    Q: (L) It's not going to have anything to do with electromagnetic interactions which would heighten the atomic vibrations of the planet?
    A: No.
    Q: (L) So, the comets are going to make a mess of things and then the transition is going to come as Christ comes?
    A: Before.
    Q: (L) The transition will happen and we will all be standing around glazed in the eyes or whatever, wondering what to do with ourselves, because we are finding ourselves in a new estate we have not been in before, and then Christ comes?
    A: More or less.
    Q: (L) Now, what is going to happen after Christ comes back and everything is sort of straightening out and he is teaching... is everybody on the planet going to be gathered together in one place to receive these teachings?
    A: No.
    Q: (L) Is he going to travel around and teach?
    A: Technology.
    Q: (L) He will teach via the media?
    A: Yes.
    Q: (L) And we are still going to have access to our media, television and radio and so forth?
    A: Some.
    Q: (L) Are some people at that point in time or just prior to this transition, going to leave in large groups with the Lizzies?
    A: Yes.
    Q: (L) Are there going to be large groups of people moving into domed cities on the planet living in "cahoots" with the Lizzies?
    A: Close.
    Q: (L) In other words there may be areas of Lizzie control on the planet and areas under the control of Christ?
    A: Christ does not control.
    Q: (L) Will the Lizzie people come out of their cities from time to time and "molest" the followers of Christ from time to time?
    A: Maybe.

If all of the tricks and "molestations" are overcome, eventually the realm becomes bifurcated and the STO group can move into a completely different realm and work on strengthening their polarity without interference. I don't think this occurs right away, but at the end of the "thousand year period."

As an aside to Bjorn, we were approaching this subject in the aura reading thread. I don't think that it is until after this time that we have any stake in becoming architects of the school. Up until that point, we are probably too busy getting our bearings and fending off attacks to be too concerned about world creation and world maintenance on that scale on a practical level. After the "Last Judgment" the psychopaths would be gone, however that happens, because they would serve no purpose in that 4D reality, after the choice is made. It would be after that, when we are far enough along to begin "seeding the 3rd density universe," we might be looking at what tests and challenges are necessary to make this or that realm an optimal learning environment.

whitecoast Wrote:

Joe Wrote:

Laura Wrote:Pretty much. Though, as I said, I would leave that door open a crack.

Yeah, leaving the door open a crack is prudent, for the obvious reason that we can't know for sure. I think there is a real problem here with the literal vs symbolic interpretation of some of the UFO phenomenon. There are the physical craft that are seen and photographed in our skies, but then there is the "close encounter" aspect that is really a problem because it seems it can take place on a level that is non physical. At that point, objectivity from a 3D perspective goes out the window.

We see a reflection of this even in some of what the Cs say. Looking 'down' at us, they may see the physical reality, and also the non-physical reality of which we are generally unaware and only receive hints and impressions because it is non-physical. Until such time as we can perceive that non-physical reality directly, it's always going to be very problematic to accurately translate it into physical 3D terms. As we go along however, and watch events unfold, we can get better at understanding how to accurately translate from one to the other.

I suppose in 4D the thought-reality connection is much more immediate, so perhaps it could even be that vaccines and GMOs are metaphors for alien hybridization, instead of the other way around? Maybe that's a natural result of the higher "material friction" lower densities have, where reality is far less responsive to thought.

Well, since a lot of these abductions seem to be "soul replication" as opposed to physical abductions, it would make a lot of sense that they could do a lot of hybridizing by tweaking your energy field, which informs the genetics and therefore effects the structure of the physical body. It is a different process from the more mundane, test tube type of hybridization, but accomplishes the same practical result. Also, I don't see why the couldn't bounce signals off the cell towers or something to reorganize information fields that are uncrystalized, and hybridize people that way without ever having to abduct them at all. However, despite that, there does seem to be a physical nuts and bolts aspect of it, even if it is secondary. I don't think one should get "too hyperdimensional." I'm reminded of this session

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    Q: (L) Well, if these craft emerge into our reality from fourth density, as I assume some of them do, how do they stay here? Do they become absolutely physically material and do they remain here?
    A: If they malfunction in third density, they then become frozen in third density. Very simple.
    Q: (L) And, does the same hold true for the beings?
    A: Precisely.
    Q: (L) So, in a very real sense, they are very real and physical...
    A: They are very real and physical in fourth density, too. The difference is that fourth density physicality is not the same as third density physicality. But that is not to say that there is no physicality in fourth density. In order to completely remove all attachment to physicality, one must reach sixth density or higher. Everything below that involves some aspect of physicality or attachment to physicality; as in fifth density, the contemplation zone, which is simply a recycling of those from 1st through 4th densities, in the etheric plane. They are brought back down and recycled into one of the physical realms. Each density level one through four, involves lesser and lesser physicality, as you know it, but nevertheless there still is physicality. Third density physicality, however, remains constant on third density when a being or a craft or an instrument of any kind manufactured or conceived in fourth density arrives in third density, it is able to navigate through third density in fourth density reality. However, when it malfunctions, whatever is left of it remains in third density. Those reports of objects or of any physical structure whatsoever, be it a being or a construct, disappearing from third density to fourth density, in each and every case, involves an object or a being, or a construct, which is not in the process of malfunctioning. It is still fully operational at its fourth density realm. It is merely visiting third density which has a limited capacity, as you measure time in its passage, therefore it does, indeed, remove itself naturally, at some point, to fourth density. However, if it malfunctions or is in any way broken or altered, it will remain in third density.

The variable physicality thing is a bit of a head scratcher; it doesn't have much precedent in esoteric traditions. To me, the best approximation of 4D existence for the layperson would be legends of wizards, who could turn into various things, teleport, work spells which gave them profound influence over the physical environment, and had a sort of hyperawareness of the subtle energies which animated the universe. It doesn't get too deeply into the time travel and technical aspects of how it might all function, but when I first started reading the material that was a mental image that popped into my head that I could relate to. I also thought of the Vorlons and the other First Races off the Babylon 5 series, but that show probably didn't go quite far enough and you have to be a bit of a sci-fi nut to appreciate it