(08-13-2021, 06:07 PM)Patrick Wrote: It looks like the mRNA based ones starts to wane after 6 to 8 months. So shots would need to be given yearly at the least.

(08-13-2021, 02:46 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: Earlier I stated that very few people would actually support the idea of "forcing" people to be vaccinated.  I believe this is changing rapidly.  There are now many people on the "left" or "progressive" who I've heard look at their fellow citizens with disgust if they haven't been vaccinated, and I've definitely heard anger and support for forced vaccination.  We are in a sad state.

(08-13-2021, 02:46 PM)confusedseeker Wrote: Earlier I stated that very few people would actually support the idea of "forcing" people to be vaccinated.  I believe this is changing rapidly.  There are now many people on the "left" or "progressive" who I've heard look at their fellow citizens with disgust if they haven't been vaccinated, and I've definitely heard anger and support for forced vaccination.  We are in a sad state.

(08-12-2021, 02:28 PM)David_1 Wrote:    Since it is a crime to force an experimental drug on an employee, people who do not wish to take the shot should say, “No” if they are required to take the shot as a condition of keeping their job.  They should not resign their job, because if they are then fired, they have a legal right to sue.

(08-13-2021, 10:45 AM)Green_One_Returns Wrote: By chance do you know of anyone who has successfully beat their employer in court for mandating the vaccine against them?

I can only recall that the medical staff class-action suit in Texas a few months ago came close to winning against their employers but the judge threw the case out when they used the Nuremberg codes as a defense against the mandates….

(08-13-2021, 08:58 PM)Anders Wrote: Sounds like a formidable cash cow for the pharma industry. In this Law of One video Aaron Abke talks from around 15 minutes about problems with the pharmaceutical industry:

(08-14-2021, 04:12 AM)tadeus Wrote: Vaccinations where always a cash cow only.

(08-13-2021, 06:07 PM)Patrick Wrote: .....
I still don't believe in a conspiracy from our governments. I think pushing that angle would be as fear-based as a great many of the anti-vaccination arguments. I just don't find this helpful.

.....

Quote: In surrender, you no longer need ego defenses and false masks. You become very simple, very real. “That’s dangerous,” says the ego. “You’ll get hurt. You’ll become vulnerable.” What the ego doesn’t know, of course, is that only through the letting go of resistance, through becoming “vulnerable,” can you discover your true and essential invulnerability.

Quote:"I have pointed out that while human bodies will develop in such a way that certain spiritualities can find room in them the materialistic bent which will spread more and more under the guidance of the spirits of darkness will work against this and combat it by physical means. I have told you that the spirits of darkness are going to inspire their human hosts in whom they will be dwelling to find a vaccine that will drive all inclination towards spirituality out of people's souls when they are still very young and this will happen in a roundabout way through the living body. Today bodies are vaccinated against one thing and another in future children will be vaccinated with a substance which it will certainly be possible to produce and this will make them immune so that they do not develop foolish inclinations connected with spiritual life, foolish here of course in the eyes of materialists the whole trend goes in a direction where a way will finally be found to vaccinate bodies so that these bodies will not allow the inclination toward spiritual ideas to develop and all their lives people will believe only in the physical world they perceive with the senses, out of impulses which the medical profession gained from the consumption they themselves suffered." - Rudolf Steiner

(08-15-2021, 11:51 PM)Anders Wrote:

Quote:"I have pointed out that while human bodies will develop in such a way that certain spiritualities can find room in them the materialistic bent which will spread more and more under the guidance of the spirits of darkness will work against this and combat it by physical means. I have told you that the spirits of darkness are going to inspire their human hosts in whom they will be dwelling to find a vaccine that will drive all inclination towards spirituality out of people's souls when they are still very young and this will happen in a roundabout way through the living body. Today bodies are vaccinated against one thing and another in future children will be vaccinated with a substance which it will certainly be possible to produce and this will make them immune so that they do not develop foolish inclinations connected with spiritual life, foolish here of course in the eyes of materialists the whole trend goes in a direction where a way will finally be found to vaccinate bodies so that these bodies will not allow the inclination toward spiritual ideas to develop and all their lives people will believe only in the physical world they perceive with the senses, out of impulses which the medical profession gained from the consumption they themselves suffered." - Rudolf Steiner

(08-15-2021, 08:53 PM)Patrick Wrote: No. I just look at our provincial prime minister and I see a loving entity and a fatherly figure. Same thing with our minister of health.

The cold uncaring reality you described does not exists. It's just an illusion.

Reality very much reacts magically to optimism. I have seen this in operation and not just within my own experience.

(08-16-2021, 07:10 AM)Margan Wrote: ...be unconcerned with the outer circumstances...

...remaining unswept by the maelstrom of this life...

...bc remaining unswept you would just be fine with whatever comes and not create some kind of optimistic outlook for the near future which were unrealistic to begin with...

(08-13-2021, 08:58 PM)Anders Wrote:

(08-13-2021, 06:07 PM)Patrick Wrote: It looks like the mRNA based ones starts to wane after 6 to 8 months. So shots would need to be given yearly at the least.

Sounds like a formidable cash cow for the pharma industry. In this Law of One video Aaron Abke talks from around 15 minutes about problems with the pharmaceutical industry:

Quote:‘No concept of how awful it was’: the forgotten world of pre-vaccine childhood in Australia

Until relatively recently, lethal infectious diseases stalked the lives of Australian children – including my father, Tom Keneally. Vaccines have saved millions
~Meg Keneally Sun 15 Aug 2021

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/15/no-concept-of-how-awful-it-was-the-forgotten-world-of-pre-vaccine-childhood-in-australia

It’s 1940, and a five-year-old boy lies in an oxygen tent. He struggles for breath and hallucinates that his leaden toy soldiers are alive and marching around the room, monstering him with their bayonets.

He has diphtheria, a disease also known as The Strangling Angel. There is a vaccine, but not every child has been inoculated. The bacterial infection creates a membrane across the back of the throat, cutting off air supply.

The little boy’s mother, sitting a desperate vigil next to the oxygen tent, has seen diphtheria take other children.

It will not, in the end, take her son. The membrane will fail to fully close off his airway, and he will emerge from the oxygen tent. He will attend the funerals of classmates who die of diphtheria and polio. He will, in time, run alongside his friend, a fine athlete born blind after his mother contracted rubella during pregnancy. He will rattle a stone in a can to guide his friend to the finish line.

Throughout his schooling, children he knows will die from disease.

He will, through luck, survive. He is still alive now, at the age of 85. He’s my father, and his name is Tom Keneally.

“One of the brothers (the Christian Brothers of St Patrick’s College in Sydney’s Strathfield) would come into the classroom from time to time and tell us someone had died,” Keneally said. “We would say a decade of the Rosary for them, and the brother would say that God takes the best children, and I would be relieved I wasn’t one of those.

“It didn’t feel like an ever-present threat as kids because we were just living our lives, although I think for our parents it was always there, that possibility.”

Shortly after birth, Australian children are vaccinated against hepatitis B. Between six weeks and 18 months of age, they receive vaccines against a range of diseases including diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), pneumococcal disease, meningococcal disease, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), rotavirus and varicella (chickenpox).

Some vaccines can also protect against certain cancers later in life. As Prof Raina MacIntyre, head of the Biosecurity Research Program at the Kirby Institute and professor of global biosecurity at the University of NSW points out, the hepatitis B vaccine protects against liver cancer, while human papillomavirus vaccine guards against cervical and penile cancer.

“People don’t remember the gains we’ve made,” McIntyre says.

“In the 19th century, the leading cause of death in children was infectious disease. People would have 10 children and might lose five of them. We lived with high rates of infant mortality,” she says.

As well as two world wars, Australians in the first half of the 20th century had a Spanish flu pandemic and a bubonic plague outbreak to contend with, along with numerous spot-fires of disease.

The lethal diseases that routinely beset the population – such as the choking diphtheria, the crippling polio, the wracking tetanus – made childhood precarious.

One in 30 children died from gastroenteritis, diphtheria, scarlet fever, whooping cough and measles in 1911. In 1907, infectious diseases killed more than 300 people in every 100,000, according to data from the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare. By 2019, that number had dropped to around 10.

To modern parents, disease names like polio and smallpox and diphtheria have been relegated by vaccination to arcane words with no practical relevance. But while these cruel diseases no longer kill Australian children, experts say there may be a risk of lapsing into complacency[/b].

“The visibility of the ravages of polio, and the fact that most people knew someone who’d had a child die were really powerful drivers, people were desperate for vaccines,” says David Isaacs, clinical professor in paediatric infectious diseases at the University of Sydney, and author of Defeating the Ministers of Death – The Compelling History of Vaccination. [b]“Many younger people have no concept now of how awful it was.”

Tom Keneally’s diphtheria infection was not to be his last childhood spell in hospital. In 1944 he lay recovering from pneumonia near a boy in an iron lung, suffering from polio. The boy was studying for the Leaving Certificate, the forerunner of the HSC.

“He had a bracket above his head that textbooks could be slid into, and I remember him studying Hamlet,” Keneally says. “His mother was always there, turning pages and changing books, and that’s how he studied.”

Some time later, he learned the boy had died when a power cut rendered his iron lung useless.

Dr Peter Hobbins, a medical historian at the Australian National Maritime Museum, says polio was still killing children into the 1950s.

“It was a reality of life in Australia. A lot of people don’t realise how many diseases were rampant until relatively recently. There’s a reduced visibility of the consequences of these diseases, people don’t appreciate the fear parents felt of sending a child to school and possibly having them not come back into the family,” he says.

“Thankfully we are not seeing new cases of polio, but there are still people living with the consequences of the disease, and they feel forgotten.”

Not that there weren’t triumphs, notably the eradication of smallpox, which Isaacs says killed up to one in three babies in the London of the 18th and early 19th centuries. A campaign by the World Health Organization, starting in 1967, saw it wiped out by 1980.

The first smallpox vaccinations in Australia were given in the early 1800s. That was no good to the people of the Eora nation. In 1789, a disease believed to be smallpox was introduced by the colonists. It tore through the Aboriginal population of Sydney, killing up to 70%.

While smallpox is no longer a threat, MacIntyre warns that diseases we have almost forgotten can easily return if vaccination rates slip.

“One example is the fall of the Soviet Union,” she says. “There were good vaccination programs, and then when the Soviet Union fell, many stopped being conducted.”

As a result, cases of diphtheria, which had been almost unheard of due to vaccination, reached 140,000, and the disease killed 4,000 children and young adults.

“If we stopped vaccinating against diphtheria here, we would see the same,” MacIntyre says.

Despite their life-saving properties, vaccines have often been greeted with suspicion. Hobbins says a tragedy in 1928 had an impact on diphtheria vaccination rates – but it may also have ultimately increased vaccine safety.

“It became known as the Bundaberg Tragedy, or the Serum Tragedy. A batch of diphtheria vaccine contaminated with Staphylococcus aureus was injected in high doses into 20 children, and 12 died,” he says.

“An outbreak of diphtheria could potentially kill 12 children in 20, but that event set the course of vaccination back several years. But one consequence of the tragedy was a rise in manufacturing and quality testing standards, which drastically reduced the risk of that vaccines might become contaminated.”

While vaccine mandates are sometimes raised as a counter to vaccine hesitancy, they can backfire. In Defeating the Ministers of Death, Isaacs writes of 80,000-strong protests in the UK city of Leicester in the late 19th century, in response to a smallpox vaccine mandate.

“I truly believe in negotiation and respecting people’s intelligence, because vaccine hesitancy is not about intelligence. A lot of hesitancy is based on fear and misunderstanding, and we don’t want to alienate people,” he says.

“Then you can sometimes bring people around if you’ve developed a close relationship, which is why I’m a firm believer in using GPs to get those messages out.”

Still, Australians are very supportive of childhood immunisation, he says.

“Our uptake of routine childhood immunisations is about 95%. That’s enough to give you herd immunity, so that there’s no endemic spread of measles at all.”

MacIntyre agrees.

“Australia has had high rates of vaccination. Anti-vaxxers are around 2%, which is not that much,” she says.

“It’s not so much vaccine hesitancy as vaccine confusion [with Covid-19 vaccines]. I believe we can achieve good rates of vaccination [against Covid-19] in Australia.”

As for committed anti-vaxxers, Tom Keneally knows what he would like to do to try to shift their perspective.

“I’d like to take anti-vaxxers back in time to my childhood. There would be a story on every street which could change their minds.”[/b]

(08-16-2021, 09:13 AM)Patrick Wrote: In this incarnation I am following the path of least resistance.

For this particular catalyst it amounted to being able to perceive the vaccine as a positive thing. Also seeing that all the fear regarding this vaccination is based on a narrative from STS who wishes to keep us getting sick for as long as possible. Seeing that many are unhappy with their circumstances and how society works, fed up with all the abuses of big pharma and the police and all that. So fed up that anything that promises change is welcomed. As long as something, anything, comes along and shake things up enough to force a change in how our society functions. So the anti-vaccination narrative where society collapses from infertility or simply dying from the vaccine answers that need for change. But this change is coming from outside so it will be like all the other end of the world narrative before, it won't change your lives for the better. The fear-based scenarios will not manifest and the status quo will remain. This type of positive change that people hunger for comes from the inside. Not from exterior saviors.

But we are all in "luck", because I see people awakening spiritually and starting the innerwork. This will change the world.

So this fall will be "normal" where I live, but it seems people will need to choose how "normal" it will be for themselves. I predicted there would not be other confinements this fall where I live and this is exactly how things are being setup for.

I don't like mandatory vaccination. I don't like "freedom" passports. I don't think they are required. I don't think there is a conspiracy to put these things in place. I think the anti-vaccination efforts has called such things to itself. I share my opinion. I don't think the world is listening to people like me. It just wants to freak out.

I guess I could shut up and let the STS anti-vaccination narrative take all the space on this forum. I could stop trying to uplift people if all they want is to feel miserable and freak out. The loving attitude I cultivate seems to endanger people's need to remain in fear so much that even on a spiritual forum about The Law of One seekers are lashing out against what Ra, Q'uo and so many other teachers has spent decades trying to make us understand.

I could shut up... but I gave myself up as an instrument to the One to help manifest its perfect will on this planet. I have no other function now. And it seems the One wishes me to say these things because I feel the pull constantly.

(08-15-2021, 10:04 PM)Patrick Wrote: I'm just making people angrier with me by remaining uninterested in being swept in the illusory maelstrom.

I am basically being told that my way of seeing things could even be dangerous for myself and others.

So I'll let teachers speak about these things instead. Maybe members of this forum will be less angry with them.

Here is Tolle writing about these things that I am trying to convey.

https://eckharttolle.com/the-power-of-non-resistance/

Quote: In surrender, you no longer need ego defenses and false masks. You become very simple, very real. “That’s dangerous,” says the ego. “You’ll get hurt. You’ll become vulnerable.” What the ego doesn’t know, of course, is that only through the letting go of resistance, through becoming “vulnerable,” can you discover your true and essential invulnerability.

The Ego concept is hard to work with because of too much baggage. But here the Ego means that part of self that is still under the spell of the illusion of separation.

Those are not fluffy words, they are our true power and the most real reality we have access to from within this illusion.

(08-16-2021, 09:53 AM)Nikki Wrote: Patrick, could you please quote where in the teachings of this forum states this information that you are trying to get others to understand.  This forum is about the Law of One and the other teachings here, would love to examine where you have gotten your ideas from.  Others that feel the other way of what you believe, any experiences on the planet of polarity is real to those who experience them.   I am very aware where you are coming from, life, everything is an illusion, we live in a dream state, etc.  If you do not believe it, it cannot hurt you.  If you believe it is working for you, that is wonderful and send you blessings.  If it was not working for you, would still send you blessings.  As a moderator Patrick, that comes with service to others and telling them their reality is not real does not help anyone, only love, compassion and understanding heals and opens their hearts and minds to the light so that they can see the truth before them.   Shared in love for you Patrick and all those here no matter what they choose.

(08-16-2021, 12:41 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-16-2021, 09:53 AM)Nikki Wrote: Patrick, could you please quote where in the teachings of this forum states this information that you are trying to get others to understand.  This forum is about the Law of One and the other teachings here, would love to examine where you have gotten your ideas from.  Others that feel the other way of what you believe, any experiences on the planet of polarity is real to those who experience them.   I am very aware where you are coming from, life, everything is an illusion, we live in a dream state, etc.  If you do not believe it, it cannot hurt you.  If you believe it is working for you, that is wonderful and send you blessings.  If it was not working for you, would still send you blessings.  As a moderator Patrick, that comes with service to others and telling them their reality is not real does not help anyone, only love, compassion and understanding heals and opens their hearts and minds to the light so that they can see the truth before them.   Shared in love for you Patrick and all those here no matter what they choose.

I will provide quotes, it will be my pleasure.

In the meantime, please note that I am not telling people their reality is not "real". Since only experience is real, the fact that we are experiencing an illusion does not mean our experience is unreal. What I mean is that we choose what is real to a very great extent. But this process is not quick, it takes time. We can't just decide one day that we are fed up and all will change to make it all right. No it takes time, but if one decides they are fed up with all the issues of this illusion because no matter what we do it never fixes it, then one can choose to start walking the path of acceptance, non-resistance, love and light. Your perspective changes little by little and so does your external circumstances for the better little by little, until after a great deal of time you find yourself into a life that you like the way it is because it did change to mirror your vantage point, your innerstate.

Here what is unreal is not the fear people experience from fearing Covid vaccination. That experience is real. What is unreal is the threat. That is the illusory part. That catalyst is just yet another opportunity to choose in between fear and love.

We have a choice of narrative here. There is a narrative with evidence demonstrating the that the vaccine is good. You also have a narrative showing that the vaccine is evil.

The choice is ours. If one decides that it is evil, it is because they feel more attracted towards that. If one decides that it is good, it is because they feel more attracted towards that. You'll find tons of supporting material out there for both perspectives. That is why it becomes a choice.

The Law of Confusion is being thorough on this one to ensure that whatever your choice is, you'll find all the evidence you need to back your choice.

(08-16-2021, 09:13 AM)Patrick Wrote: In this incarnation I am following the path of least resistance.

For this particular catalyst it amounted to being able to perceive the vaccine as a positive thing. Also seeing that all the fear regarding this vaccination is based on a narrative from STS who wishes to keep us getting sick for as long as possible. Seeing that many are unhappy with their circumstances and how society works, fed up with all the abuses of big pharma and the police and all that. So fed up that anything that promises change is welcomed. As long as something, anything, comes along and shake things up enough to force a change in how our society functions. So the anti-vaccination narrative where society collapses from infertility or simply dying from the vaccine answers that need for change. But this change is coming from outside so it will be like all the other end of the world narrative before, it won't change your lives for the better. The fear-based scenarios will not manifest and the status quo will remain. This type of positive change that people hunger for comes from the inside. Not from exterior saviors.

But we are all in "luck", because I see people awakening spiritually and starting the innerwork. This will change the world.

So this fall will be "normal" where I live, but it seems people will need to choose how "normal" it will be for themselves. I predicted there would not be other confinements this fall where I live and this is exactly how things are being setup for.

I don't like mandatory vaccination. I don't like "freedom" passports. I don't think they are required. I don't think there is a conspiracy to put these things in place. I think the anti-vaccination efforts has called such things to itself. I share my opinion. I don't think the world is listening to people like me. It just wants to freak out.

I guess I could shut up and let the STS anti-vaccination narrative take all the space on this forum. I could stop trying to uplift people if all they want is to feel miserable and freak out. The loving attitude I cultivate seems to endanger people's need to remain in fear so much that even on a spiritual forum about The Law of One seekers are lashing out against what Ra, Q'uo and so many other teachers has spent decades trying to make us understand.

I could shut up... but I gave myself up as an instrument to the One to help manifest its perfect will on this planet. I have no other function now. And it seems the One wishes me to say these things because I feel the pull constantly.

(08-16-2021, 12:41 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-16-2021, 09:53 AM)Nikki Wrote: Patrick, could you please quote where in the teachings of this forum states this information that you are trying to get others to understand.  This forum is about the Law of One and the other teachings here, would love to examine where you have gotten your ideas from.  Others that feel the other way of what you believe, any experiences on the planet of polarity is real to those who experience them.   I am very aware where you are coming from, life, everything is an illusion, we live in a dream state, etc.  If you do not believe it, it cannot hurt you.  If you believe it is working for you, that is wonderful and send you blessings.  If it was not working for you, would still send you blessings.  As a moderator Patrick, that comes with service to others and telling them their reality is not real does not help anyone, only love, compassion and understanding heals and opens their hearts and minds to the light so that they can see the truth before them.   Shared in love for you Patrick and all those here no matter what they choose.

I will provide quotes, it will be my pleasure.

In the meantime, please note that I am not telling people their reality is not "real". Since only experience is real, the fact that we are experiencing an illusion does not mean our experience is unreal. What I mean is that we choose what is real to a very great extent. But this process is not quick, it takes time. We can't just decide one day that we are fed up and all will change to make it all right. No it takes time, but if one decides they are fed up with all the issues of this illusion because no matter what we do it never fixes it, then one can choose to start walking the path of acceptance, non-resistance, love and light. Your perspective changes little by little and so does your external circumstances for the better little by little, until after a great deal of time you find yourself into a life that you like the way it is because it did change to mirror your vantage point, your innerstate.

Here what is unreal is not the fear people experience from fearing Covid vaccination. That experience is real. What is unreal is the threat. That is the illusory part. That catalyst is just yet another opportunity to choose in between fear and love.

We have a choice of narrative here. There is a narrative with evidence demonstrating the that the vaccine is good. You also have a narrative showing that the vaccine is evil.

The choice is ours. If one decides that it is evil, it is because they feel more attracted towards that. If one decides that it is good, it is because they feel more attracted towards that. You'll find tons of supporting material out there for both perspectives. That is why it becomes a choice.

The Law of Confusion is being thorough on this one to ensure that whatever your choice is, you'll find all the evidence you need to back your choice.