(12-02-2012, 05:27 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 04:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The "opening of the gateway" is a response to the conditions available for the form-maker body. It is not an event.

The "changing of conditions" is an event. Any sort of motion is an event.

(12-02-2012, 05:36 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 05:27 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 04:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The "opening of the gateway" is a response to the conditions available for the form-maker body. It is not an event.

The "changing of conditions" is an event. Any sort of motion is an event.

Yes it can be identified as such, but if you remember this "event" was stated in the context of the "ascension" harvest a la popularized by DW (and others) - as one occurring in immediate 3D space/time with associated instantaneous results on body.

(12-02-2012, 05:43 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 05:36 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 05:27 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 04:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The "opening of the gateway" is a response to the conditions available for the form-maker body. It is not an event.

The "changing of conditions" is an event. Any sort of motion is an event.

Yes it can be identified as such, but if you remember this "event" was stated in the context of the "ascension" harvest a la popularized by DW (and others) - as one occurring in immediate 3D space/time with associated instantaneous results on body.

Right, the "transmogrification" idea. I have discussed elsewhere the specific of where "ascension" ala DW departs from what is actually in the Ra Material.

What I am trying to get at is that, in response to this notion of "ascension" you have offered the notion that "nothing at all happens." Something has to actually happen in order for there to be a change in context.

Quote:Yes it can be identified as such, but if you remember this "event" was stated in the context of the "ascension" harvest a la popularized by DW (and others) - as one occurring in immediate 3D space/time with associated instantaneous results on body.

Quote:IT WILL MAKE THINGS A LOT EASIER

The number of people who are negative enough to be moved onto another timeline could be so small that we may not realize anything has happened at first.

However, I do believe that if this is the correct interpretation, it will be much easier to conduct mass arrests after this has happened.

There is ever-increasing evidence in mainstream media that things are already moving in that direction -- including the BBC pedophilia scandal, the LIBOR scandal, major lawsuits against the banks for mortgage fraud, et cetera.

The dreams I am having in my own life, and the relative speed with which historical events need to happen, has convinced me that all of this stuff couldn't possibly happen just between now and December 21st.

This also explains why there is a "100 to 700-year transition period" after this "quantum leap," according to the Law of One.

The "Harvest" has already started. The Bible prophecy of the plucking of the tares from the wheat has been going on since UFOs began powering down nuclear missile installations in the 1940s.

It has dramatically increased since August 2011 -- and in the early stages, many of these events were quite visible and public, as I have written in many earlier articles.

Quote:The process could very well manifest as the start of the harvest being the 1936 date that Ra spoke of, whereby the 'harvest process' of removing the tares of negativity by the 'angels' begins. The 12/21/2012 could be the completion of those tares of negativity being pulled. The 2036-2636 period could contain the moment of 'full instreaming' where the harvest of the 'good wheat' is completed (full formation of the 4D sphere), leading to the 4D+ earth being at large and in charge

(12-02-2012, 07:17 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: hogey- Forgive me if this is presumptuous, but you haven't been reading Wilcock's works all along, have you? If you don't mind me asking- when did you start reading them?

(12-02-2012, 07:20 PM)hogey11 Wrote:

Quote:The process could very well manifest as the start of the harvest being the 1936 date that Ra spoke of, whereby the 'harvest process' of removing the tares of negativity by the 'angels' begins. The 12/21/2012 could be the completion of those tares of negativity being pulled. The 2036-2636 period could contain the moment of 'full instreaming' where the harvest of the 'good wheat' is completed (full formation of the 4D sphere), leading to the 4D+ earth being at large and in charge

What do you think about this? Do you entertain the idea of the guardians removing STS negatives that would seek to disrupt the harvest process (tares that would make the harvest taste bad)?

(12-02-2012, 07:20 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Do you entertain the idea of the guardians removing STS negatives that would seek to disrupt the harvest process (tares that would make the harvest taste bad)?

Quote:I started with Wilcock in early 2011 I believe. I went into his archives a bit once I started reading him, but I am fairly new to the David Wilcock party.

Quote:My biggest connection with David is that he pointed me to the Law of One and is very much responsible for me finding it and actually reading it.

Quote: I found the TSFI a pretty novel read... I did buy his book in hardcover tho

(12-02-2012, 07:57 PM)rie Wrote: What does 'quantum leap' mean?

Quote:51.1 Questioner: As we begin Book Three of The Law of One there are a couple of questions of fairly non-transient importance that I have and one that I consider to be of a transient nature that I feel obligated to ask.

The first is clearing up the final point about harvest. I was wondering if there is a supervision over the harvest and if so, why this supervision is necessary and how it works since an entity’s harvestability is determined by the violet ray? Is it necessary for entities to supervise the harvest, or is it automatic?
Ra: I am Ra. In time of harvest there are always harvesters. The fruit is formed as it will be, but there is some supervision necessary to ensure that this bounty is placed as it should be without the bruise or the blemish.

There are those of three levels watching over harvest.

The first level is planetary and that which may be called angelic. This type of guardian includes the mind/body/spirit complex totality or higher self of an entity and those inner plane entities which have been attracted to this entity through its inner seeking.

The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their higher self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them aright so that they may continue into the light.

The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet-ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet-ray selfhood.

(12-02-2012, 08:15 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 07:57 PM)rie Wrote: What does 'quantum leap' mean?

A transdimensional jump. Each density is discrete and therefore a quantum.

"40.10 Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty-year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it."

"40.11 Questioner: Starting then, forty-five years ago, and taking the entire increase of vibration that we will experience in this density change, approximately what percentage through this increase in vibrational change are we right now?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory nature of your environment is true color, green. This is at this time heavily over-woven with the orange ray of planetary consciousness. However, the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level."


"82.12...The lessons of third density are predestined by the very nature of the vibratory rates experienced during this particular density and by the nature of the quantum jump to the vibratory experiences of fourth density...."

Quote:I think it is interesting that he has put so much time and effort into "ascension," "disclosure," "insider testimony," and the "Illuminati." I find it detracts from his credibility as a person and therefore, from the credibility of his work. I actually tend to see it as a distraction and a successfully executed manipulation tactic.

(12-02-2012, 08:22 PM)hogey11 Wrote: What would hinder an entity from having the fullest opportunity to express its violet-ray self?

(12-02-2012, 08:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Wouldn't we normally consider a "quantum jump" between two discrete densities to be something rather sudden and noticeable?

(12-02-2012, 08:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: How do you reconcile the notion of a "quantum jump" with a <700-year "transition period" with no overtly detectable onset or completion?

(12-02-2012, 08:32 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Law of One purist

Quote:I still find the concept of ascension fascinating due to the various reports, historical and otherwise, that coincide with the phenomenon. Whether its Jesus 'ascending' to heaven (leaving 3D sphere) or tibetan monks dissolving to light and leaving weird ectoplasm behind, I can't say one way or another if it plays into things or not.

Quote:STS control is one of these things.

(12-02-2012, 08:36 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 08:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Wouldn't we normally consider a "quantum jump" between two discrete densities to be something rather sudden and noticeable?

Yes.

(12-02-2012, 08:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: How do you reconcile the notion of a "quantum jump" with a <700-year "transition period" with no overtly detectable onset or completion?

Not sure where the disparity is in what you are suggesting.

(12-02-2012, 08:39 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Are you saying that what we would perceive to be the passing of 700-ish years in a 3D/4D hybrid sphere is actually the "quantum leap" itself? In other words, "quantum leap" and "transitional period" are synonymous in your view?

(12-02-2012, 08:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 08:39 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Are you saying that what we would perceive to be the passing of 700-ish years in a 3D/4D hybrid sphere is actually the "quantum leap" itself? In other words, "quantum leap" and "transitional period" are synonymous in your view?

No.

Quote:What do you mean by that?

(12-02-2012, 09:03 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I would never argue that David doesn't participate on the STS side of the spectrum as we all do. He does. I do too.

(09-19-2011, 10:38 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I dunno. I'm not inside DW's mind (nor would I want to be) but I still think he has gone too far from his roots. He repeatedly claims the Law of One to be his entire philosophical basis- but then makes predictions that contradict it and ignores certain parts entirely with his writing.

As I said before, I don't think that DW=Illuminati. I think he is a very courageous soul who wanted to delve deeply into negativity- and simply that he isn't quite as immune to its more insidious influences as he may think.

I have a feeling that if he would disconnect himself from a near constant barrage of "insider" information that he is being fed, he would perhaps recall a few important things that he has forgotten:

This from his latest post: Disclosure Imminent? Two Underground NWO Bases Destroyed

THE BIG PICTURE

As I wrote in the previous article, The Source Field Investigations paints a "big picture" that is quite an adjustment for the average person... but is nonetheless backed up with extensive evidence:

• DNA is a product of a quantum energy wave, and is written into the basic laws of the Universe; Sweet.
  
  
• The laws that govern the formation of life on Earth also govern the behavior of matter and energy in the Cosmos; Awesome.
  
  
• The human design is intrinsic to this galaxy, and probably a good bit of the entire Universe; Eh... maybe. The human design is intrinsic to this Solar Logos... I believe there is a much wider array in the sphere of the Galactic Logos. I believe Ra said something like 5% would look like earth humans.
  
  
• Other humans have progressed much, much farther, spiritually and technologically, than we have; Yes.
  
  
• Those humans colonized Earth in the times of Atlantis, and their skulls reveal brain capacities significantly larger than ours; The second part is fact; the first part is highly debatable. Personally, I wouldn't use the word "colonized" nor would I refer to the "time of Atlantis".
  
  
• These people were largely wiped out by a self-inflicted cataclysm caused by nuclear war between rival colonies; Possibly. We do not have all the information here. We do have evidence of nuclear war in the past. I think it would be wise to realize that, from a soul perspective, there are many survivors of nuclear war- from ALL sides of the fence.
  
  
• The survivors built pyramids to heal and stabilize the Earth on its axis in the aftermath of this catastrophe; Um. Actually, no. I don't believe this is what Ra said.
  
  
• They had direct knowledge of a natural cycle that propels each inhabited planet through quantum evolutionary leaps; "They" meaning who? Who taught them this? 6D entities taught them this. He is leaving this out of the explanation. And before anybody says well he just doesn't want to "freak people out" pardon me but a network of global elite planning the destruction of the human race is much more "troubling" than 6D entities sharing the Law of One.
  
  
• They were aware of a physical gland in the human brain that governs ESP and is "activated" by this natural cycle; Who is THEY, DW. Who is THEY? This carries through for the next three statements as well. But besides this, the part about the pineal gland becoming active is highly interesting, and relevant.
  
  
• They knew this galaxy-driven cycle had an exact end-point, measurable by a 25,920-year wobble on any inhabited planet; No, this is not on any inhabited planet. He is confabulating here based on divergent accounts, rather than presenting a clear explanation.
  
  
• They extensively encoded prophecies of this cycle, and its ultimate effects, in dozens of ancient myths worldwide; Right.
  
  
• They honor the Law of Free Will through most of a planet's evolution, but are allowed to re-appear at the end of a cycle; Wait. Who? The "aliens"?? Any old aliens?? What about the "gods" of the Golden Age. Are they coming back? Which ones? The Olympian gods? The Titans? Mother Gaia? Who?
  
  
• The completion of the cycle creates an energetic springboard that gives humans remarkable "Ascended" abilities; Nope. This is not what is stated in the Ra material. Take it from somebody who likes to project 6D abilities into 4D. They aren't there. I have myself been corrected on this several times.
  
  And he is completely leaving out repeat of 3D. He is not telling the truth. Everybody doesn't "make it" and for somebody right now on the edge- this may actually have a depolarizing effect.
  
  
• World governments are utterly incapable of interfering with this process, regardless of what they may try to do. No they are not utterly incapable of interfering. They have been interfering, and continue to interfere. It is folly to call the battle "won" before it is actually won. When world governments stop interfering, that is when they will be no longer capable. Otherwise, there will be some measure of interference.
  
  

So, just sayin'. It isn't an attempt to cut DW down. It is just my observations.

Tenet Nosce Wrote:I have a feeling that if he would disconnect himself from a near constant barrage of "insider" information that he is being fed, he would perhaps recall a few important things that he has forgotten:

(12-02-2012, 09:01 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 08:52 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 08:39 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Are you saying that what we would perceive to be the passing of 700-ish years in a 3D/4D hybrid sphere is actually the "quantum leap" itself? In other words, "quantum leap" and "transitional period" are synonymous in your view?

No.

What is the difference between these two concepts? How long does it take for the "quantum leap" to occur, and what would be the evidence that it has occurred?

(12-02-2012, 09:14 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Quantum leap is when the planet is 4D "magnetized" for local use of 4D vibration.

Quote:I'd expect that to not be transitional.

(12-02-2012, 09:19 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 09:14 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Quantum leap is when the planet is 4D "magnetized" for local use of 4D vibration.

When, relative to now, would you expect that to occur?

(12-02-2012, 09:19 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:I'd expect that to not be transitional.

What would be the evidence that the "quantum leap" had occurred?

(12-02-2012, 09:29 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Therefore any evidence is going to be based on the awareness of its effect on mind.

(12-02-2012, 09:33 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-02-2012, 09:29 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Therefore any evidence is going to be based on the awareness of its effect on mind.

What do you think are the chances of us being here in this forum a year from now arguing about whether or not the "quantum leap" happened?

(12-02-2012, 09:33 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: What about effects to the body? Any evidence to be gleaned there?

zenmaster Wrote:Full instreaming to me is the "quantum leap"... More plausible for "STS" removal is very simply the lack of available catalyst at lower vibrations.

Quote:Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty-year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it."

(12-07-2012, 01:55 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

zenmaster Wrote:Full instreaming to me is the "quantum leap"... More plausible for "STS" removal is very simply the lack of available catalyst at lower vibrations.

But I thought you are still expecting to see the "sharp increase" in negativity over the "short run" following the "quantum leap"?

(12-07-2012, 01:55 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: If the "quantum leap" represents the "final movement of vibratory matter" then, how is it that this movement continues beyond the "quantum leap" for several generations- up to 700 years? That doesn't sound very "final" to me.

(03-30-2012, 05:40 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: As far as I'm aware, I haven't seen this discussed much in the forum...

What about all these sources now saying that the earth is headed to fifth density, rather than fourth? Simply different terminology? Did we "jump a timeline"? Or skip ahead? Have we unknowingly been in fourth density yet in some kind of 3D matrix program? All just a bunch of BS?