(08-18-2011, 09:16 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Think you got the @'s switched. There are different aspects of one reality (e.g. physical, empirical, emotional, mental, historical, symbolic, mythical, ethical, spiritual, etc). Each aspect has its own limitations, context and practicality. Oftentimes (especially on these forums) we erroneously attempt to over extend one aspect at the expense of another or we may confuse one aspect with another, but each can have its own, very real, viability. Each aspect can bridge and support another - i.e. mental and philosophical, philosophical and physical or philosophical and ethical, or emotional and physical, or mythical and spiritual.

But it is important to understand the physical is by no means a primary reality (it may only seem so due to our constant dependency on that aspect due to survival concerns). So when we say that something doesn't exist 'there', what are we really saying? We are trying to distinguish between these aspects and within one aspect in order that their utility can be recognized.

(08-18-2011, 10:11 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(08-18-2011, 01:13 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: There is not an actual crown chakra. Applying the concept has an actual effect thus making it real. You will never find the crown chakra. It doesn't exist outside the conceptual persona that makes up what you are now.

The Council of Saturn isn't actually there, on the planet Saturn, or the rings of Saturn. It is a concept pertaining to the reality that the what-you-are envisions for itself.

What about Ra? Does Ra actually exist?

Q'uo Wrote:You are limited in what you see, while we, as the song before the meditation says, are relatively unbound by strictures of any kind, yet please realize that we are naturally limited by our gifts. Our nature and the quality and shape of our intention moved us to you in a certain way and we vibrate at that frequency of love and service. That is our environment and it is from that environment that we offer our service.

(08-18-2011, 10:32 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Ra is real. No doubt about it.

Do I personally believe Ra is a single unit of multiple entities formed into some kind of invisible ball of light that tele-communicated through a human to give us a message from beyond? No, I don't, but that isn't important to my validity or to the LOO.

(08-18-2011, 03:09 PM)Azrael Wrote: This is exactly along the same lines as I was thinking! Thanks for the post, this has been very affirming.

(08-18-2011, 03:09 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(08-18-2011, 10:32 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Ra is real. No doubt about it.

Do I personally believe Ra is a single unit of multiple entities formed into some kind of invisible ball of light that tele-communicated through a human to give us a message from beyond? No, I don't, but that isn't important to my validity or to the LOO.

I'm curious. How do you think of Ra? In what way do you think it/they is/are real?

(08-18-2011, 01:29 PM)Ankh Wrote: I think that you would find this channeling of Q'uo very interesting as it addresses the concept of Angels.

Q'uo Wrote:There are two basic energies which angels have to offer. One is the simple energy of love itself and the other is a feeling of safety, which could be called a healing energy.

(08-18-2011, 07:56 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Q'uo Wrote:There are two basic energies which angels have to offer. One is the simple energy of love itself and the other is a feeling of safety, which could be called a healing energy.

If this is true, then it would seem that angels are only useful to those who have not learned to call these energies from within.

(08-18-2011, 07:56 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Q'uo Wrote:There are two basic energies which angels have to offer. One is the simple energy of love itself and the other is a feeling of safety, which could be called a healing energy.

If this is true, then it would seem that angels are only useful to those who have not learned to call these energies from within.

(08-18-2011, 08:04 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Look, Q'uo is the 'transpersonal Carla' (higher vibrational) with basically the same personality and 3D limitations, the same 3D growth of understanding and reliance on new personal and cultural information to provide answers.

Q'uo Wrote:I am Q’uo. I am two social memory complexes, the one you know of as Ra, and the one you know of as Latwii.

We have combined because this instrument[1] constantly asks for the highest and best contact it may stably carry. The energies of the one known as Ra, which is a social memory complex of sixth density, is an energy band narrow enough that it requires the locking in, and therefore the unconscious state, of the mind of the channel. The entities of Ra were appalled to see the toll it took upon this instrument to bring forth that which it did channel. It was not expected that there would be so much interest from what this instrument calls the loyal opposition.

When our energies are stepped down to those of Latwii, an energy this instrument feels most comfortable with, we are able to offer concepts that are to some degree more precise, and may we say, perhaps more interesting to the advanced student of metaphysics, than that which is called Latwii would be by the self, for Latwii is of the fifth density, the density of wisdom, and as you can feel, our vibrations are the vibrations not only of unconditional wisdom, but compassion as well.

Thus, we are composite, and as this instrument has often suspected, our name is a pun, a quibble; not a joke, but merely an identification which was clear. We are the I AM, and you too are the I AM, and all that is in creation is the I AM. We chose a language this instrument knew, and used the word meaning “who,” or “which.” It was designed to make the instrument ponder this very point, and we are delighted (in the) results so far, for we of Latwii have been able, with the help of our teachers, those of Ra, to offer information in a way which is clearer and more compassionate, perhaps, than we of Latwii, in and of our own social memory complex, could accomplish. We find that our senses of humor are not at all the same, and so we have attempted to give up our sense of humor, that the higher sense of humor or wisdom informed by compassion may do its subtle work in these meditations.

(08-19-2011, 12:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: According to my read of that Q'uo session on angels, they are nothing more than transformers stepping down love and light energy at every possible level of existence, in order to maintain balance while other entities choose to live under the veil.

(08-18-2011, 08:45 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(08-18-2011, 07:56 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Q'uo Wrote:There are two basic energies which angels have to offer. One is the simple energy of love itself and the other is a feeling of safety, which could be called a healing energy.

If this is true, then it would seem that angels are only useful to those who have not learned to call these energies from within.

I would say your intuition is correct in connecting the two. So, why not make them the same thing?

(08-19-2011, 05:32 PM)Ankh Wrote: Did you guys read the Q'uo session about the concept of angels?

Tenet Nosce Wrote:According to my read of that Q'uo session on angels, they are nothing more than transformers stepping down love and light energy at every possible level of existence, in order to maintain balance while other entities choose to live under the veil.

Thus, penetrating through the veil entails seeing angels (and demons) for who they really are. This is where things get interesting.

Now it would appear to me, that there are two general directions to go from here: STO and STS.

Taking an STO attitude toward angels requires asking oneself "How can I be of service to the angels?"

Taking an STS attitude toward angels requires asking oneself "How can the angels be of service to me?"

I think I will just pause there to get some feedback before proceeding...

(08-19-2011, 08:10 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: According to my read of that Q'uo session on angels, they are nothing more than transformers stepping down love and light energy at every possible level of existence, in order to maintain balance while other entities choose to live under the veil.

Thus, penetrating through the veil entails seeing angels (and demons) for who they really are. This is where things get interesting.

Now it would appear to me, that there are two general directions to go from here: STO and STS.

Taking an STO attitude toward angels requires asking oneself "How can I be of service to the angels?"

Taking an STS attitude toward angels requires asking oneself "How can the angels be of service to me?"

I think I will just pause there to get some feedback before proceeding...

(08-19-2011, 12:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Taking an STO attitude toward angels requires asking oneself "How can I be of service to the angels?"

Taking an STS attitude toward angels requires asking oneself "How can the angels be of service to me?"

(08-10-2011, 12:05 PM)godwide_void Wrote: As is well known to all of us there exists in place the necessary veil which - causing us to forget that we are all individuated aspects of one grand Creator - allows the mechanisms of Free Will to function by giving us a purity of experience for our life experiences so that we may ultimately learn and polarize on the path towards penultimate unity. Were there no veil in place the game would be far too easy for everyone, and there would ultimately be no propensity for mistakes (learning opportunities) and our own choosings.

Now, when one speaks of "piercing the veil" what does it truly mean? I mean, if you consider simply knowing that we are all Creator and various other facets of the LOO and existence then one could say that every single person who frequents this forum and reads through the Law of One has pierced the veil just from reading this information source beingness! But this is not the case, as I'm sure that there are many (including myself) who, while being keenly aware of the Law of One, can sometimes stray. So if just knowing it isn't piercing the veil fully, then what is?

I think I might have pierced the veil personally; I say this because somehow I am able to know exactly WHY every experience I have from now on occurs, and I can gather the exact lesson I am trying to be shown, and I also am 95% certain that I know full well WHY I incarnated here and my mission (which day by day I am doing what I can to work towards). I also feel I am very in tune with the Universe... for example, by simply willing or desiring a small breeze on a particularly hot day I am given the breeze in that instant, I never have to wait for the traffic lights to change anymore when I cross the street, trains and buses will come the instant I get there, etc. Just small things that are little signs that are telling me "you indeed do exert influence over your own dream of life".

Day by day it feels like more and more data and understanding is downloaded into my head as I am coming more to terms with what is meant by truly seeing yourself and all other selves as "Creator". I don't know, what are all of your opinions?

Namaste

(08-19-2011, 12:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(08-18-2011, 08:04 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Look, Q'uo is the 'transpersonal Carla' (higher vibrational) with basically the same personality and 3D limitations, the same 3D growth of understanding and reliance on new personal and cultural information to provide answers.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1990/1990_0107.aspx

Q'uo Wrote:I am Q’uo. I am two social memory complexes, the one you know of as Ra, and the one you know of as Latwii.

We have combined because this instrument[1] constantly asks for the highest and best contact it may stably carry. The energies of the one known as Ra, which is a social memory complex of sixth density, is an energy band narrow enough that it requires the locking in, and therefore the unconscious state, of the mind of the channel. The entities of Ra were appalled to see the toll it took upon this instrument to bring forth that which it did channel. It was not expected that there would be so much interest from what this instrument calls the loyal opposition.

When our energies are stepped down to those of Latwii, an energy this instrument feels most comfortable with, we are able to offer concepts that are to some degree more precise, and may we say, perhaps more interesting to the advanced student of metaphysics, than that which is called Latwii would be by the self, for Latwii is of the fifth density, the density of wisdom, and as you can feel, our vibrations are the vibrations not only of unconditional wisdom, but compassion as well.

Thus, we are composite, and as this instrument has often suspected, our name is a pun, a quibble; not a joke, but merely an identification which was clear. We are the I AM, and you too are the I AM, and all that is in creation is the I AM. We chose a language this instrument knew, and used the word meaning “who,” or “which.” It was designed to make the instrument ponder this very point, and we are delighted (in the) results so far, for we of Latwii have been able, with the help of our teachers, those of Ra, to offer information in a way which is clearer and more compassionate, perhaps, than we of Latwii, in and of our own social memory complex, could accomplish. We find that our senses of humor are not at all the same, and so we have attempted to give up our sense of humor, that the higher sense of humor or wisdom informed by compassion may do its subtle work in these meditations.

I like where it says that "The entities of Ra were appalled [to fill with horror; shock or dismay. Literally, to become pale] to see the toll it took upon this instrument to bring forth that which it did channel." Appalled. Interesting choice of words. This also underscores the idea that Ra makes (has been making, still does make) mistakes. So, being 6D does not preclude one from getting caught up in unforeseen consequences. Of course, Ra themselves never proclaim to be more than "humble messengers".

Getting back to angels, Q'uo also says that, for the most part, angels do not incarnate in physical bodies. According to my understanding, this gives humans the "one up" in the situation. Angels are just disembodied entities with no potential for growth or evolution.

So what does this mean for the human entity that is continuing to grow and evolve? I think it means that angels (and demons) become increasingly viewed as a projection of the subconscious. Angels are like "training wheels" and meant to be discarded once a human being can control their vehicle without external assistance. To keep the training wheels on the vehicle would only serve to slow it down and limit its navigational ability.

There is nothing "wrong" with training wheels, yet it still looks absurd for a grown adult to be using them when they are no longer necessary. Then, to start naming one's training wheels, having regular conversations with them, and refusing to make a choice until consulting one's training wheels... well I guess that's good for a belly laugh but I am not sure what the purpose would be.

According to my read of that Q'uo session on angels, they are nothing more than transformers stepping down love and light energy at every possible level of existence, in order to maintain balance while other entities choose to live under the veil.

Thus, penetrating through the veil entails seeing angels (and demons) for who they really are. This is where things get interesting.

Now it would appear to me, that there are two general directions to go from here: STO and STS.

Taking an STO attitude toward angels requires asking oneself "How can I be of service to the angels?"

Taking an STS attitude toward angels requires asking oneself "How can the angels be of service to me?"

I think I will just pause there to get some feedback before proceeding...

(09-16-2011, 10:23 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The "report" button doesn't work for me any more in firefox.

(09-23-2011, 12:47 AM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:

(09-16-2011, 10:23 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The "report" button doesn't work for me any more in firefox.

Ditto. Have you messaged any of us about it? I see this was a few days ago... If not, I'll let Mr. Steve know.

(09-23-2011, 08:35 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(09-23-2011, 12:47 AM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote:

(09-16-2011, 10:23 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The "report" button doesn't work for me any more in firefox.

Ditto. Have you messaged any of us about it? I see this was a few days ago... If not, I'll let Mr. Steve know.

Hasn't worked for since the update, AFAIK.

Quote:83.16 Ra: In general, we may say that by far the most vivid and even extravagant opportunities for the piercing of the veil are a result of the interaction of polarized entities.

Quote:83.17 Questioner: Could you expand on what you mean by that interaction of polarized entities in piercing the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall state two items of note. The first is the extreme potential for polarization in the relationship of two polarized entities which have embarked upon the service-to-others path or, in some few cases, the service-to-self path. Secondly, we would note that effect which we have learned to call the doubling effect. Those of like mind which together seek shall far more surely find.

Quote:83.18 Within the adept is the potential for dismantling the veil to a greater or lesser extent that all may be seen again as one. The other-self is primary catalyst in this particular path to the piercing of the veil, if you would call it that.

Quote:89.36 Questioner: What was the reason for the wandering of these two Wanderers, and were they male and female?

Ra: I am Ra. All Wanderers come to be of assistance in serving the Creator, each in its own way. The Wanderers of which we have been speaking were indeed incarnated male and female as this is by far the most efficient system of partnership.

(05-27-2012, 10:20 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:

Quote:83.17 Questioner: Could you expand on what you mean by that interaction of polarized entities in piercing the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall state two items of note. The first is the extreme potential for polarization in the relationship of two polarized entities which have embarked upon the service-to-others path or, in some few cases, the service-to-self path. Secondly, we would note that effect which we have learned to call the doubling effect. Those of like mind which together seek shall far more surely find.

which I have always read as a male-female bonding that is extremely STO/spiritual on both sides.

Quote:

Quote:89.36 Questioner: What was the reason for the wandering of these two Wanderers, and were they male and female?

Ra: I am Ra. All Wanderers come to be of assistance in serving the Creator, each in its own way. The Wanderers of which we have been speaking were indeed incarnated male and female as this is by far the most efficient system of partnership.

(but these Wanderers didn't turn out too great lol)

Quote:89.40 Questioner: What was the attitude of these two entities after they graduated into fourth-density negative and, the veil being removed, they realized that they had switched polarities?

Ra: I am Ra. They were disconcerted.