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RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-13-2011
She "resigned". I will make the following post here since I believe it is appropriate a this point:
The thing is norral was right on other thread. Not in the approach: it will bring more destruction at this point of the harvest...but:
Consider the world around you. For the majority of people there is little future to look forward. Innocent people (many) go to jail and get a sentence. Oil companies destroy oceans and lives. Thousands upon thousands of children die just due to diarrhea (easily preventable) in parts of Africa and others. And so many many other injustices...Thousands of men, woman, children die due to wars which seem that they will never stop. And that to continue, inevitable would be nuclear.
Not to feel indignated is cause for distress. If you are comfortable with this situation you should not pass the harvest.
If you feel a gradual approach just because you want to be comfortable sitting on your ass after seeing how much suffering is around you...you should not be harvested. As a matter of fact even if you are a wanderer, you should not come back to a 3d planet on these conditions until you have a sense of decency towards the situation and loss the damned fear of death.
Only people that want and feel that the situation is not right should get harvested. A gradual approach is morally senseless. Ethically repulsive..disgusting if you want the world to continue like this...practically you are saying "oh c'mom everything is Ok with this.." I make a very good living why would I want change...is against evolution rules!
Well, that is BS...The only evolution that exists is going back to the source, the original thought, the Creator. We can discuss this for millions of years...at the end it is a choice: do you want this damned thing to continue like it is? or do you want change? That should prepare someone for 4d work.
RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 06:22 AM)Raman Wrote: Consider the world around you. For the majority of people there is little future to look forward. Innocent people (many) go to jail and get a sentence. Oil companies destroy oceans and lives. Thousands upon thousands of children die just due to diarrhea (easily preventable) in parts of Africa and others. And so many many other injustices...Thousands of men, woman, children die due to wars which seem that they will never stop. And that to continue, inevitable would be nuclear.
Not to feel indignated is cause for distress. If you are comfortable with this situation you should not pass the harvest.
Only people that want and feel that the situation is not right should get harvested. A gradual approach is morally senseless. Ethically repulsive..disgusting if you want the world to continue like this...practically you are saying "oh c'mom everything is Ok with this.." I make a very good living why would I want change...is against evolution rules!
If you feel a gradual approach just because you want to be comfortable sitting on your a$$ after seeing how much suffering is around you...you should not be harvested.
this is a quite fresh, blunt, direct and clear approach that is new to me.
it is indeed questionable that an entity which sees so much suffering around him/her, and wants it to continue is positively oriented.
Quote: As a matter of fact even if you are a wanderer, you should not come back to a 3d planet on these conditions until you have a sense of decency towards the situation and loss the damned fear of death.
it is questionable for wanderers since they may have the notion of any entity receiving the experience it needs to progress, positive or negative,
but the situation on this planet is not normal - the dangerous levels of technology transferred to this 3d world makes it dysfunctional in terms of functioning in regard to 3d polarization - a petty minority holds unlimited amounts of entities in bondage, keeps them from freedoms, while the planets gets wrecked in more than one way that can be imagined ( totally leaving aside the damage this haarp thing potentially doing in time/space, and heaven knows what else ), and the danger of nuclear or tesla weapons being used in a planet-scorching or destroying war still looms.
when harvest comes soon, 4d vibrations will totally settle. devices that use these vibrations will be much more stronger.
i also think that this experiential nexus should be shut down at harvest.
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 06:22 AM)Raman Wrote: She "resigned". I will make the following post here since I believe it is appropriate a this point:
The thing is norral was right on other thread. Not in the approach: it will bring more destruction at this point of the harvest...but:
Consider the world around you. For the majority of people there is little future to look forward. Innocent people (many) go to jail and get a sentence. Oil companies destroy oceans and lives. Thousands upon thousands of children die just due to diarrhea (easily preventable) in parts of Africa and others. And so many many other injustices...Thousands of men, woman, children die due to wars which seem that they will never stop. And that to continue, inevitable would be nuclear.
Not to feel indignated is cause for distress. If you are comfortable with this situation you should not pass the harvest.
If you feel a gradual approach just because you want to be comfortable sitting on your a$$ after seeing how much suffering is around you...you should not be harvested. As a matter of fact even if you are a wanderer, you should not come back to a 3d planet on these conditions until you have a sense of decency towards the situation and loss the damned fear of death.
Only people that want and feel that the situation is not right should get harvested. A gradual approach is morally senseless. Ethically repulsive..disgusting if you want the world to continue like this...practically you are saying "oh c'mom everything is Ok with this.." I make a very good living why would I want change...is against evolution rules!
Well, that is BS...The only evolution that exists is going back to the source, the original thought, the Creator. We can discuss this for millions of years...at the end it is a choice: do you want this damned thing to continue like it is? or do you want change? That should prepare someone for 4d work.
Many should's and should not's in there :¬)
It's nice to see the passion about how the world needs to change; global inequality is the cause of much suffering. Translated into action, that passion can become a very powerful aid to others. Without action, it can ultimately become a resentful (and hence negative) contribution (energetically).
From another perspective, there is a bigger picture with regards to the experience of an eternal soul. Some may have indeed chosen these lives. In an infinite universe, a soul will experience both the dark (fear) and the light (love) in which to become balanced and hence align closer to the original thought. Who are we to say that suffering is wrong? Suffering is part of Creation. Simple logic implies that one then labels Creation as 'wrong', which is not coherent with positive polarisation (unconditional love/acceptance for all - including circumstances you would rather be without).
Perhaps the opposite of what you say may be true. Not accepting an aspect of Creation could indicate you are not ready for harvest, as your love becomes conditional. Food for thought :¬)
Along with B, I am under the impression that an instantaneous change is possible. Our experience is, after all, based on energy (waves). They could change within an instant, which would in turn effect the 'physical' structure produced/manifested.
RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 07:02 AM)Namaste Wrote: Many should's and should not's in there :¬)
most unfortunately, or, maybe actually fortunately, there are should's and should not's in existence.
just like how Carla should not have taken lsd back while channeling Ra, if she wanted to continue Ra contact, and had done so.
there are shoulds and should nots, if you are walking in a particular direction. you are free to do anything as per free will - but, walking in a particular direction requires not walking in other directions.
Quote:It's nice to see the passion about how the world needs to change; global inequality is the cause of much suffering. Translated into action, that passion can become a very powerful aid to others. Without action, it can ultimately become a resentful (and hence negative) contribution (energetically).
there is a level at which the situation is actionable.
imagine you were expending the above words just months before maldek's destruction.
Quote:From another perspective, there is a bigger picture with regards to the experience of an eternal soul. Some may have indeed chosen these lives. In an infinite universe, a soul will experience both the dark (fear) and the light (love) in which to become balanced and hence align closer to the original thought. Who are we to say that suffering is wrong? Suffering is part of Creation. Simple logic implies that one then labels Creation as 'wrong', which is not coherent with positive polarisation (unconditional love/acceptance for all - including circumstances you would rather be without).
lets back to the lsd example.
taking of lsd in spite of continuing Ra contact is only useful and valid for learning NOT to take lsd if one wants to continue Ra contact.
similarly, causing a planet to undergo a catastrophe is only useful for teaching not to allow planets to destroy themselves.
correction - not to allow haywire children populations to destroy planets.
Quote:Perhaps the opposite of what you say may be true. Not accepting an aspect of Creation could indicate you are not ready for harvest, as your love becomes conditional. Food for thought :¬)
it has been quite intriguing for me as well.
Quote:Along with B, I am under the impression that an instantaneous change is possible. Our experience is, after all, based on energy (waves). They could change within an instant, which would in turn effect the 'physical' structure produced/manifested.
instantaneous change as in people suddenly lighting up and saying 'oooh', i dont think so.
if it was possible, there wouldnt be any mixed harvests.
RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-13-2011
Should or not should is what makes the choice. Is not "Oh it would be nice if..."
Quote:Perhaps the opposite of what you say may be true. Not accepting an aspect of Creation could indicate you are not ready for harvest, as your love becomes conditional. Food for thought :¬)
Accepting this is your choice. People protesting, children dying (and crying), STS imposing freewill is not allowing a choice. I doubt many of this is chosen catalyst, is mainly STS disrespecting free will at this point of the game.
I see the Great Harvest as a safety mechanism as well. Unfortunately did not work for Maldek/Mars since destruction happened before Harvest.
Is becoming a spiritual choice at this point.
EDIT: There is no way you can explain a (soon) positive 4d planet and current earth conditions unless you take in consideration infraction on free will by minority STS.
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 07:24 AM)unity100 Wrote:(06-13-2011, 07:02 AM)Namaste Wrote: Many should's and should not's in there :¬)
most unfortunately, or, maybe actually fortunately, there are should's and should not's in existence.
just like how Carla should not have taken lsd back while channeling Ra, if she wanted to continue Ra contact, and had done so.
there are shoulds and should nots, if you are walking in a particular direction. you are free to do anything as per free will - but, walking in a particular direction requires not walking in other directions.
Yes, this was the essence of my point, these are Raman's truths, chosen through free will. Expecting others to hold the same viewpoint is not how Creation works :¬)
(06-13-2011, 07:24 AM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:It's nice to see the passion about how the world needs to change; global inequality is the cause of much suffering. Translated into action, that passion can become a very powerful aid to others. Without action, it can ultimately become a resentful (and hence negative) contribution (energetically).
there is a level at which the situation is actionable.
imagine you were expending the above words just months before maldek's destruction.
Quote:From another perspective, there is a bigger picture with regards to the experience of an eternal soul. Some may have indeed chosen these lives. In an infinite universe, a soul will experience both the dark (fear) and the light (love) in which to become balanced and hence align closer to the original thought. Who are we to say that suffering is wrong? Suffering is part of Creation. Simple logic implies that one then labels Creation as 'wrong', which is not coherent with positive polarisation (unconditional love/acceptance for all - including circumstances you would rather be without).
lets back to the lsd example.
taking of lsd in spite of continuing Ra contact is only useful and valid for learning NOT to take lsd if one wants to continue Ra contact.
similarly, causing a planet to undergo a catastrophe is only useful for teaching not to allow planets to destroy themselves.
correction - not to allow haywire children populations to destroy planets.
Quote:Perhaps the opposite of what you say may be true. Not accepting an aspect of Creation could indicate you are not ready for harvest, as your love becomes conditional. Food for thought :¬)
it has been quite intriguing for me as well.
Quote:Along with B, I am under the impression that an instantaneous change is possible. Our experience is, after all, based on energy (waves). They could change within an instant, which would in turn effect the 'physical' structure produced/manifested.
instantaneous change as in people suddenly lighting up and saying 'oooh', i dont think so.
if it was possible, there wouldnt be any mixed harvests.
We exist in an infinite Creation, everything is possible, and in fact, one may go further to deduce that due to this, there has to be experiences where instant 'enlightenment' happens. Whether it happens in this reality is another thing, one I do not claim to have the answer to, rather open to the possibility.
RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-13-2011
The Confederation does not accept the "inconditional love" of the Orion group. Does that mean they don't accept 'creation" or that they accept it?
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 07:25 AM)Raman Wrote: Should or not should is what makes the choice. Is not "Oh it would be nice if..."
Quote:Perhaps the opposite of what you say may be true. Not accepting an aspect of Creation could indicate you are not ready for harvest, as your love becomes conditional. Food for thought :¬)
Accepting this is your choice. People protesting, children dying (and crying), STS imposing freewill is not allowing a choice. I doubt many of this is chosen catalyst, is mainly STS disrespecting free will at this point of the game.
I see the Great Harvest as a safety mechanism as well. Unfortunately did not work for Maldek/Mars since destruction happened before Harvest.
Is becoming a spiritual choice at this point.
EDIT: There is no way you can explain a (soon) positive 4d planet and current earth conditions unless you take in consideration infraction on free will by minority STS.
Indeed, each moment of our existence is spiritual in nature, one in which we make a choice; love or fear. People tend to forget that this choice is the basis of every moment, without fail :¬)
STS entities do indeed infringe upon the free will of others. What other's do is out of your control, we can only make efforts with ourselves. Energetically, offering positive thoughts helps far more than throwing anger at others.
The perfect example of this is the Marharishi Effect. People meditating (and hence in a state of peace) effect the consciousness of those surrounding them. Many repeated independent studies have confirmed this, without doubt. Rather than fighting against something (i.e. recruiting more police), being in a state of peace (an aspect of love) influences other's to choose differently. In that instant, they choose to not pull the trigger, as an example. It's that simple - and it only takes a few to accomplish this. Choosing positive thoughts - polarising STO - offers a global service. David Lynch is taking this to the next level, opening a University of Peace, along with other respected scientists. A fantastic example as to how to make a change without dropping one's own emotional level and hence adding to the negative thought-form vibration.
RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 07:45 AM)Namaste Wrote: Yes, this was the essence of my point, these are Raman's truths, chosen through free will. Expecting others to hold the same viewpoint is not how Creation works :¬)
see, this is what your viewpoint misses :
people have to be able to have a viewpoint. if they cannot have a viewpoint, then there is no evolution happening.
i see that situation is as such for most people. there are 'catalysts', but, the entity that is causing that catalyst is not around. it seems as if this is the order of life, the way things work, you have to survive in it.
its not as if people entities know and can recognize are doing evil deeds, and they can forgive/take revenge on them. there isnt any personality in the catalyst. it is like a machine.
the only value in this is for 5d and higher entities which need to learn the ways of creation, and that is only if they are in a position in which they can access to unfettered information and observance on things and happenings past and present on this world, so that they can understand and digest. even that is being attempted to prevent, through censorship attempts that are being boiled nowadays.
RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 07:56 AM)Namaste Wrote:(06-13-2011, 07:25 AM)Raman Wrote: Should or not should is what makes the choice. Is not "Oh it would be nice if..."
Quote:Perhaps the opposite of what you say may be true. Not accepting an aspect of Creation could indicate you are not ready for harvest, as your love becomes conditional. Food for thought :¬)
Accepting this is your choice. People protesting, children dying (and crying), STS imposing freewill is not allowing a choice. I doubt many of this is chosen catalyst, is mainly STS disrespecting free will at this point of the game.
I see the Great Harvest as a safety mechanism as well. Unfortunately did not work for Maldek/Mars since destruction happened before Harvest.
Is becoming a spiritual choice at this point.
EDIT: There is no way you can explain a (soon) positive 4d planet and current earth conditions unless you take in consideration infraction on free will by minority STS.
Indeed, each moment of our existence is spiritual in nature, one in which we make a choice; love or fear. People tend to forget that this choice is the basis of every moment, without fail :¬)
STS entities do indeed infringe upon the free will of others. What other's do is out of your control, we can only make efforts with ourselves. Energetically, offering positive thoughts helps far more than throwing anger at others.
The perfect example of this is the Marharishi Effect. People meditating (and hence in a state of peace) effect the consciousness of those surrounding them. Many repeated independent studies have confirmed this, without doubt. Rather than fighting against something (i.e. recruiting more police), being in a state of peace (an aspect of love) influences other's to choose differently. In that instant, they choose to not pull the trigger, as an example. It's that simple - and it only takes a few to accomplish this. Choosing positive thoughts - polarising STO - offers a global service. David Lynch is taking this to the next level, opening a University of Peace, along with other respected scientists. A fantastic example as to how to make a change without dropping one's own emotional level and hence adding to the negative thought-form vibration.
You seem to think that what I said about sudden harvest is negative...I think a sudden harvest is indeed positive compared to continuing what is going on (worsening as well). What I offered indeed was a positive thought in the midst of irritation and desire to end suffering not chosen.
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 07:54 AM)Raman Wrote: The Confederation does not accept the "inconditional love" of the Orion group. Does that mean they don't accept 'creation" or that they accept it?
Ra quite clearly accepts the actions of the Orion group as valid, referring to them as a friend in the case of the negative fifth density greetings.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The uniqueness of this situation is not the lack of friends, for this, as all entities, has its guides or angelic presences and, due to polarization, teachers and friends also. The unique characteristic of the workings which the social memory complex Ra and your group have begun is the intent to serve others with the highest attempt at near purity which we as comrades may achieve.
This has alerted a much more determined friend of negative polarity which is interested in removing this particular opportunity.
Note the same terminology (friend) used to describe both positive and negative entities. As we know, Ra is very specific with the use of language. The labelling of a negative entity as a friend speaks volumes.
Quote:friend
–noun
1. a person attached to another by feelings of affection or personal regard.
2. a person who gives assistance; patron; supporter: friends of the Boston Symphony.
3. a person who is on good terms with another; a person who is not hostile: Who goes there? Friend or foe?
4. a member of the same nation, party, etc.
More examples:
http://lawofone.info/results.php?search_string=friend&search_type=phrase
RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 08:06 AM)Namaste Wrote:(06-13-2011, 07:54 AM)Raman Wrote: The Confederation does not accept the "inconditional love" of the Orion group. Does that mean they don't accept 'creation" or that they accept it?
Ra quite clearly accepts the actions of the Orion group as valid, referring to them as a friend in the case of the negative fifth density greetings.
and yet, ra and entire confederation (of these parts) are unable to accept and experience those intentions and actions of orion confederation ....
Quote:Note the same terminology (friend) used to describe both positive and negative entities. As we know, Ra is very specific with the use of language. The labelling of a negative entity as a friend speaks volumes.
yes, and yet they are unable to logically accept the intentions of those negative friends, and continue a meaningful positive polarity.
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 08:02 AM)Raman Wrote: You seem to think that what I said about sudden harvest is negative...I think a sudden harvest is indeed positive compared to continuing what is going on (worsening as well). What I offered indeed was a positive thought in the midst of irritation and desire to end suffering not chosen.
Not at all, my original response was to illustrate your personal definitions of who and who should not be harvested as just that, personal. I've not inferred you're either wrong or right, rather offer differing viewpoints for consideration :¬)
Unity: Yes of course, people have viewpoints. As Raman mentioned, they are the crux of your polarisation. The point is how we act to support them throughout our polarisation. Does one react in fear, or love. It's quite simple.
RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 08:02 AM)Raman Wrote: You seem to think that what I said about sudden harvest is negative...I think a sudden harvest is indeed positive compared to continuing what is going on (worsening as well). What I offered indeed was a positive thought in the midst of irritation and desire to end suffering not chosen.
it is appalling that people take death as negative. or, take disruption of what they are doing on this planet due to harvest, as negative.
and still talk about infinite creation and such ...
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 08:11 AM)unity100 Wrote: yes, and yet they are unable to logically accept the intentions of those negative friends, and continue a meaningful positive polarity.
Would you be so kind as to share the quote(s) in which you base this statement?
RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 08:12 AM)Namaste Wrote: Unity: Yes of course, people have viewpoints. As Raman mentioned, they are the crux of your polarisation. The point is how we act to support them throughout our polarisation. Does one react in fear, or love. It's quite simple.
people do not have viewpoints. for a person to have viewpoint, the person has to be able to perceive what is happening more or less, so s/he can develop a viewpoint and make a decision.
an entity suffering without any logic on the other side of the world due to actions of another on the other side, and not even knowing what is happening, cannot develop a viewpoint or polarize.
s/he can only keep survival, just like how a 2d entity does, and this has been what a majority of the population has been doing.
(06-13-2011, 08:15 AM)Namaste Wrote:(06-13-2011, 08:11 AM)unity100 Wrote: yes, and yet they are unable to logically accept the intentions of those negative friends, and continue a meaningful positive polarity.
Would you be so kind as to share the quote(s) in which you base this statement?
firstly, the 'logically' means, they are, logically, unable to accept the intentions.
secondly, here :
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=25&sc=1&ss=1#6
Quote:25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and of a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?
Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.
In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation armed with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.
Category: Confederation of Planets
25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you mean by the “failure to accept that which is given?”
Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded and engulfed, transformed by positive energies.
This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.
It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.
It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 08:13 AM)unity100 Wrote:(06-13-2011, 08:02 AM)Raman Wrote: You seem to think that what I said about sudden harvest is negative...I think a sudden harvest is indeed positive compared to continuing what is going on (worsening as well). What I offered indeed was a positive thought in the midst of irritation and desire to end suffering not chosen.
it is appalling that people take death as negative. or, take disruption of what they are doing on this planet due to harvest, as negative.
and still talk about infinite creation and such ...
If that is pointed at myself, you may want to look back further in the thread in which I mention global termination of 3D vehicles as a valid option for the harvest :¬)
Death is the birth into spirit, as Ram Dass says, a quote which is often shared. An entirely positive event (minus the physical experience, which may be 'temporarily uncomfortable') :¬)
Edit: Thank you for the quote. The difference being it is related to the experience at that density level (which we can't even comprehend). We're here in third density, working with lessons and choices relative to that.
RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-13-2011
You know what I am referring to. It is silly to quote what "friend" means. I don't know what you are trying to get at. You believe in a gradual harvest Ok man, good for you. You seem to think sudden approach is negative. You know, I'm tired of going in circles here and in many other discussions. Orion group as valid does not mean it was accepted (or viceversa in terminology) otherwise Carla would have died which was the purpose of that entity.
This is 3d approaching the end.
I agree not using hate and anger yes that was my whole point...my other point was not to accept current situation out of (ironically maybe) love.
RE: Elder Race - 3DMonkey - 06-13-2011
I define 'accept' as - recognize as valid.
I think some people define 'accept' as - consent to receive. I would use the word 'allow' for this definition.
Both are technically correct definitions. I have always applied by definition to the "acceptance" required of the STO path.- You should accept. You must recognize the validity of actions and choices of others. NOT that you must consent to receive the actions of others.
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 08:21 AM)Raman Wrote: You know what I am referring to. It is silly to quote what "friend" means. I don't know what you are trying to get at.
Likewise, brother! It was a direct response to your statement about the Confederation and the Orion group, based upon acceptance. Ra 'treated' the positive and negative entities equally. Equality is an aspect of STO. Quoting the definition of words is actually very powerful with Ra, as Ra has an incredible ability to use all words in a sentence with profound meaning. Hence the study of the Ra Material is an ongoing, organic experience.
(06-13-2011, 08:21 AM)Raman Wrote: You believe in a gradual harvest Ok man, good for you.
Where did you make that assumption? I've just quite clearly stated that I'm open to either :¬)
(06-13-2011, 08:21 AM)Raman Wrote: You seem to think sudden approach is negative. You know, I'm tired of going in circles here and in many other discussions.
Again, I've stated otherwise. Perhaps your tiredness is due to not actually reading what others are offering? :¬)
(06-13-2011, 08:21 AM)Raman Wrote: This is 3d approaching the end.
I agree not using hate and anger yes that was my whole point...my other point was not to accept current situation out of (ironically maybe) love.
Entirely understood, my responses offered similar information, an expansion/continuation of your own statements.
(06-13-2011, 08:28 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: I define 'accept' as - recognize as valid.
I think some people define 'accept' as - consent to receive. I would use the word 'allow' for this definition.
Both are technically correct definitions. I have always applied by definition to the "acceptance" required of the STO path.- You should accept. You must recognize the validity of actions and choices of others. NOT that you must consent to receive the actions of others.
Spot on.
RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-13-2011
It is interesting at this point to note that we are given a date October 28 2011...Indeed precise.
RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 08:18 AM)Namaste Wrote: Edit: Thank you for the quote. The difference being it is related to the experience at that density level (which we can't even comprehend). We're here in third density, working with lessons and choices relative to that.
'we cannot even comprehend' is escapism.
the situation is simple :
orion group is 'offering' enslavement to confederation. confederation cannot accept that, because if they do, they wont be themselves anymore. (positive).
there is not much difference in our situation. if you accept enslavement for yourself or others, you wont be able to polarize positively anymore.
(06-13-2011, 08:21 AM)Raman Wrote: Orion group as valid does not mean it was accepted (or viceversa in terminology) otherwise Carla would have died which was the purpose of that entity.
another valid example.
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
I hold a different notion - our 3D brains are wired for this 'physical' experience (which is why dreams, although untethered from a physical vehicle continue with the same waking forms). To assume that we can comprehend densities which lay beyond our limited perception of All That Is, is, to me, rather blinkered. Akin to assuming that a fish is aware of the molecular qualities of the water it dwells within, or the biochemical mechanics of its brain.
Regarding Orion and enslavement, 3DM put it very well, perhaps there is confusion with the use of terminology (something we have encountered in the past). One does not offer their free will (positive or negative), only accept that the offering is valid, and choose in the way deemed appropriate by that entity, at that time.
I have work to attend to, so my involvement here will end for a few days. It should be clear by now which direction we're all coming from, and which truths we each hold. Hopefully enough stop us running around in circles as Raman mentioned earlier ;¬)
RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 09:27 AM)Namaste Wrote: I hold a different notion - our 3D brains are wired for this 'physical' experience (which is why dreams, although untethered from a physical vehicle continue with the same waking forms). To assume that we can comprehend densities which lay beyond our limited perception of All That Is, is, to me, rather blinkered. Akin to assuming that a fish is aware of the molecular qualities of the water it dwells within, or the biochemical mechanics of its brain.
as i said, this is not something that can be escaped into mystery, since it involves a basic principle :
http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=65&sc=1&ss=1#13
Quote:65.13 Questioner: How common in the universe is a mixed harvest from a planet of both positively and negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes?
Ra: I am Ra. Among planetary harvests which yield an harvest of mind/body/spirit complexes approximately 10% are negative; approximately 60% are positive; and approximately 30% are mixed with nearly all harvest being positive. In the event of mixed harvest it is almost unknown for the majority of the harvest to be negative. When a planet moves strongly towards the negative there is almost no opportunity for harvestable positive polarization.
Category: Harvest
65.14 Questioner: Can you tell me why there is almost no opportunity in that case?
Ra: The ability to polarize positively requires a certain degree of self determination.
Category: Harvest
as you can see, this is something explicitly expressed for 3d situations. which some of you sometimes exceedingly isolate from rest of the creation.
when you accept enslavement, you cannot have self determination, which is required for positive polarization.
so, if you want to polarize or act positively, you cannot accept enslavement.
Quote:Regarding Orion and enslavement, 3DM put it very well, perhaps there is confusion with the use of terminology (something we have encountered in the past). One does not offer their free will (positive or negative), only accept that the offering is valid, and choose in the way deemed appropriate by that entity, at that time.
there is no confusion. ra explicitly states that if they accept what the orion group offers, they wont be positive anymore. 'accept the offer is valid' or 'recognize the offer is valid' etc etc doesnt change the fact that they can NOT accept and experience what they are offering.
not to mention there were no differentiations like 'as valid' or 'recognize as valid' in that quote that can be exceedingly built upon as analogies. it was told, they could not accept what they were offering.
RE: Elder Race - 3DMonkey - 06-13-2011
I imagine we would all unite if, say, we were standing in a park and the Pharisees were in formations with plans to shove doctrine down our throats.
I don't agree with your assessment of how polarization occurs, unity100.
It's more about the spiritual and mind complex than it is the body complex. For example, it is what you think and feel more than what you do or say.
I could say very nasty things, or even say that the negative political philosophies are the appropriate ones. Those are just words, and I could say them all day long but still be xpressing positive polarization within my mind and spirit.
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
Unity, a quick reply.
I disagree. Firstly, you've turned this:
Ra Wrote:..requires a certain degree of self determination.
.. into this...
unity100 Wrote:when you accept enslavement, you cannot have self determination
You're making deductions/generalisations and passing them as Ra's own words.
Secondly, Ra may not have been talking of an Earth incarnation, the statement was in the context of the entire universe :¬) There could be conditions vastly different to ours that infringe far more on one's free will (i.e. constant torture), which make it vastly harder to polarise.
Thirdly, your deduction implies that a person born into slavery/captivity cannot polarise positively. I would assume one born into such a circumstance, regardless of their captors or controllers, could still choose love. I would also assume that, given those STS conditions, managing to choose love would be an incredibly powerful means of polarisation. Just as Jesus 'made the grade' for forgiving his captor(s)/killer(s) upon his death, even after taking the life of another.
RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-13-2011
Don't understand....it seems so clear.
RE: Elder Race - 3DMonkey - 06-13-2011
Furthermore, recognizing the STS path as a valid expression of One thought, is acceptance which is vital for the STO path.
(Circle, Narf)
RE: Elder Race - Bring4th_Austin - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 06:22 AM)Raman Wrote: She "resigned". I will make the following post here since I believe it is appropriate a this point:
The thing is norral was right on other thread. Not in the approach: it will bring more destruction at this point of the harvest...but:
Consider the world around you. For the majority of people there is little future to look forward. Innocent people (many) go to jail and get a sentence. Oil companies destroy oceans and lives. Thousands upon thousands of children die just due to diarrhea (easily preventable) in parts of Africa and others. And so many many other injustices...Thousands of men, woman, children die due to wars which seem that they will never stop. And that to continue, inevitable would be nuclear.
Not to feel indignated is cause for distress. If you are comfortable with this situation you should not pass the harvest.
If you feel a gradual approach just because you want to be comfortable sitting on your a$$ after seeing how much suffering is around you...you should not be harvested. As a matter of fact even if you are a wanderer, you should not come back to a 3d planet on these conditions until you have a sense of decency towards the situation and loss the damned fear of death.
Only people that want and feel that the situation is not right should get harvested. A gradual approach is morally senseless. Ethically repulsive..disgusting if you want the world to continue like this...practically you are saying "oh c'mom everything is Ok with this.." I make a very good living why would I want change...is against evolution rules!
Well, that is BS...The only evolution that exists is going back to the source, the original thought, the Creator. We can discuss this for millions of years...at the end it is a choice: do you want this damned thing to continue like it is? or do you want change? That should prepare someone for 4d work.
How does a gradual transition imply someone wants things to continue?
For me, personally, I look around and see all of this suffering, and I feel the pain. I've been lucky to avoid this suffering throughout my incarnation, but I am very empathetic. Looking into any suffering beings eyes, I can see and feel the pain.
But this must be balanced within me, and while there is much pain, there is opportunity for service. I feel honored to be here at a time when the opportunities for service are not lacking at all. Anywhere you go, you could find a purpose to strive for, you could find suffering to relieve.
An instant transition implies that these things will deal with themselves. I cannot believe that. I know, in the deepest part of my heart, that I have to help the world change. And I am not going to sit and wait for a glorious day of harvest where it all disappears; I am going to work to make it disappear myself.
RE: Elder Race - Namaste - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 10:57 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I know, in the deepest part of my heart, that I have to help the world change. And I am not going to sit and wait for a glorious day of harvest where it all disappears; I am going to work to make it disappear myself.
Amen to that brother. One must take responsibility :¬)