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RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - zedro - 03-08-2022
There's a few conundrums, one being the only way to win this game is to not participate in it, the other being the path to unity is first to separate (detach) from those who are ultimately not compatible, I.e. non polarized or opposite polarized, because you cannot embark on the next evolutionary step of learning when you are subject to another's power.
I always scratch my head when people ask how to better unify people (and a recent Quo session comes to mind), because it seems people forget the true implications of harvest. People need to want it, and without infringement, it is up to them, not those who are already enlightened to the concept.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - ScottK - 03-08-2022
Here's President Putin's speech prior to the Ukraine invasion. The other side of the story so to speak. You only get one side when consuming western mainstream media. This doesn't fit the narrative though.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67843
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-08-2022
I did listen to his original translated speech. We can watch West propaganda or East propaganda. Still, I'm not impressed with anyone explaining why they are going to kill other people. To me any such reasons always sound lame. I guess I'm just weird like that.
The taking of another person's life is the ultimate control over others according to Ra.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - ScottK - 03-08-2022
(03-08-2022, 04:10 PM)Patrick Wrote: I did listen to his original translated speech. We can watch West propaganda or East propaganda. Still, I'm not impressed with anyone explaining why they are going to kill other people. To me any such reasons always sound lame. I guess I'm just weird like that.
The taking of another person's life is the ultimate control over others according to Ra.
https://twitter.com/Qasemebnlhasan/status/1499587999264219137
Sounds like it's the Ukraine military who is bombing civilians for propaganda purposes, especially in eastern Ukraine. The eastern provinces invited Putin in to help.
Ukraine is a cesspool for corruption, money laundering, and human trafficking. Putin is cleaning that up. The western media and many government officials are in on the corruption, that's why they are propagandizing everything.
How did Hunter Biden do in the Ukraine?
Of course, it did give the western banking systems a cover story for committing suicide. I'd suggest you take your money out of the bank now.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - LeiwoUnion - 03-09-2022
The way I see it, it's business as usual on 'all sides' while the peoples are offered the good old gladiator games to flag for their preferred team (Olympic games prepared even the slower mind to this mentality). Collateral catalyst is experienced in droves. It is getting a bit tiresome but I know it isn't meant for me. All I can do is keep 'chopping wood and carrying water', and saying it is what it is (my wife already snaps whenever I say that). Sometimes I lower my vibrations (or they lower in themselves) and almost start getting all riled up with this mess, but then I remember the deeper meanings and connections, and I'm back to 'myself'.
Just ask yourself: If those of Ra said that US, Russians etc. had space/air/water capable crafts in great numbers in the 80s, bases under water and moon of all places, and capabilities to solve all scarcity issues on a whim, can this 'war' and other recent events be anything but staged plays, macabre circus to the unaware? Honestly.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-09-2022
(03-08-2022, 03:53 PM)ScottK Wrote: Here's President Putin's speech prior to the Ukraine invasion. The other side of the story so to speak. You only get one side when consuming western mainstream media. This doesn't fit the narrative though.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67843
According to historians, Putin was a rather selective with his "history lesson" he gave the world, which is why I shared this podcast earlier in this thread:
The Rest Is History Podcast - Ukraine & Russia
Even our friend mr. Genghis Khan and his Mongol army make a guest appearance in Ukraine's harrowing history.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 03-09-2022
I guess I'm lame too, then.
(03-08-2022, 04:10 PM)Patrick Wrote: Still, I'm not impressed with anyone explaining why they are going to kill other people. To me any such reasons always sound lame. I guess I'm just weird like that.
The taking of another person's life is the ultimate control over others according to Ra.
But then I thought more about it, and tried to put myself in others' shoes (as much as I can). And, here, I see 'threads' that we have in common: threads of fear, hope, love, protection, ... all manner of threads.
When the walls between me and others begin to dissolve by doing this, I guess, I can start to see, or perhaps, understand a bit more why some of us pick up weapons, and some of us do not; why some of us do one thing and others of us do myriad other things.
As seekers, we may strive to both be ourselves as unique, individualized consciousnesses, and simultaneously, be/experience Oneness (if/when we can in 3D).
If I were truly them - walking through their incarnations in their MBS complexes - I would (presumably) do the same thing they are doing. And, I see here, that we are One. They are just a different 'flavor' than me in this great tapestry.
So the understanding I experience is more like a connected-ness, and what I can only describe as a recognition (honoring) of their unique expression - their unique voice - in this great tapestry in which we are also One.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-09-2022
Ra spoke of an ongoing war in the 4th density, where forces are constantly regrouping. Until we know what 4 density is, we won't get an answer.
I'm talking about spaceships and lunar bases)
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - LeiwoUnion - 03-09-2022
In my current understanding 4D is just another level of political, technological, cultural and societal distortions with more one pointedness of intent and deeper clearsight. However, regardless of polarity, these cultures, or races, seem unable to resist these 'war and political dramas' or technological elitism. This so called War in Heaven, or Armageddon has been going on at least hundreds of thousands of years, perhaps even millions of years in the near space/time areas. 3D cultures that happen to be in the area are just war children either vampirized as aggressive compassion/pity targets ('there there, let us, the big brothers, take care of these monsters while you take a nap in your crib') or fear/terror targets covering in horror as the 'gods of the skies' rain their wrath upon the poor wretches on the ground. Then those that truly wish to help in a non-infringing way can't even do so efficiently because of all the confusion and the resulting quarantine. This leaves wandering as the last somewhat effective way to help, but it is a perilous job, and quite inefficient in a place like Earth. Those in 5D can do whatever they want wherever, so most will rather be anywhere else than here. Those in 6D can see beyond time and potentialities, so they aren't too bothered by anything. It's a mess even the Logos ponders, if it will be worth it in the end. Well, adjustments will be made for the experiments coming in the next tens of billions of years. And of course, all is well in the end.
This information comes from my own sources and understandings, so they should be taken as such; anything from totally meaningless to absolute Truth. Please, make your own discernment.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - jafar - 03-09-2022
(03-08-2022, 11:51 PM)ScottK Wrote: Ukraine is a cesspool for corruption, money laundering, and human trafficking. Putin is cleaning that up.
LMAO
The biggest epicenter for money laundering is NOT Ukraine but none other than tax haven countries, Switzerland, Cayman Islands, Isle of Man, Jersey, Ireland etc..
The entire western economy is built on the foundation of money laundering.
Q: How does Putin stay in power?
A: Through the support of his ring of Oligarch friends.
Q: How did the Russian oligarch become so wealthy?
A: Through acquisition of Russian public owned assets.
Q: Who gave the oligarch ownership of Russian public assets?
A: Take a guess.... it's not that hard..
Q: Where do Russian oligarch stash their wealth?
A: Western countries, majority of it is registered in tax haven countries as listed above, get anonymized through "shell company" and then invested in assets located in London, New York, Paris etc..
Q: Then it's actually the Russian public that's actually get f&*d? They live in poverty, their assets flew out abroad and they need to die on battlefield fighting a war instigated by Putin and his oligarch friends?
A: Of course... as always...
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - zedro - 03-09-2022
(03-09-2022, 12:35 PM)jafar Wrote:(03-08-2022, 11:51 PM)ScottK Wrote: Ukraine is a cesspool for corruption, money laundering, and human trafficking. Putin is cleaning that up.
LMAO
The biggest epicenter for money laundering is NOT Ukraine but none other than tax haven countries, Switzerland, Cayman Islands, Isle of Man, Jersey, Ireland etc..
The entire western economy is built on the foundation of money laundering.
Q: How does Putin stay in power?
A: Through the support of his ring of Oligarch friends.
Q: How did the Russian oligarch become so wealthy?
A: Through acquisition of Russian public owned assets.
Q: Who gave the oligarch ownership of Russian public assets?
A: Take a guess.... it's not that hard..
Q: Where do Russian oligarch stash their wealth?
A: Western countries, majority of it is registered in tax haven countries as listed above, get anonymized through "shell company" and then invested in assets located in London, New York, Paris etc..
Q: Then it's actually the Russian public that's actually get f&*d? They live in poverty, their assets flew out abroad and they need to die on battlefield fighting a war instigated by Putin and his oligarch friends?
A: Of course... as always...
To be fair, that's the pattern pretty much everywhere, just different players.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Quincunx - 03-09-2022
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RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-09-2022
Quincunx my friend, just this thread, not the forum itself. This is to be expected for such a polarizing subject. No other threads will be allowed on this subject. So it's easier to ignore this subject for those wishing this. But I still believe it's worth having a small place where this catalyst can be processed and as you mentioned there are definitely spiritual aspects we can explore regarding this subject.
If we do not allow it, how will our friends have opportunities to start thinking differently about this?
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - aWanderer91 - 03-09-2022
I second what Patrick said Quincunx, when I originally posted this thread I didn't expect it to be so controversial and polarising. But from what I've seen it's clearly a topic that beings hold dear to their hearts, and it allows everyone to process this catalyst in a safe place and to hopefully not be judged for their views
The thread has taken on a life of its own but in a spiritual manner, if this helps your thoughts.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - LeiwoUnion - 03-09-2022
Also, not all become fearful facing these kinds of subject matters, and heavy topics. In actuality it is a powerful message to oneself, if something instills fear reaction that there is a point of working. I've learned myself by dwelling in the heaviest of the heavy materials and facing the harshest of the harsh truths that by finding true acceptance, peace and understanding within those, I may truly become a Radiant Spark of the Infinite.
Fear is always coming from within, never actually without; a common misconception. That's why spreading fear is actually impossible, and could only seem to be true in a very confused social environment. Luring the fear out in the open and facing it in all of its horror is the quickest way to become truly fearless, because its fake substance will instantly melt in the radiant Light of honesty and The Truth. You Are One.
PS: I may seem to be negatively minded in some of my messages, however that is very far from the truth. I hold extremely joyous view of life, and view most of these 'heavy' topics revolving around this Earth experience with great irony and humor. However, I like to share my limited understandings where I feel they may cause some positive resonations.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Patrick - 03-09-2022
For example.
If we look at this article here we might be tempted to get angry at the attackers.
Then some might argue about who the actual attackers were. Personally, I don't really care who did it and why. I am more concerned about the people suffering and my reaction is to try and highlight that it does not matter if the attacker thought they had a good reason to do it.
I just wish to highlight to fellow seekers that excusing the attackers, whoever they are, and agreeing with any version of the truth (the reason why it occurred) cannot result in anything positive. Sure, the catalyst itself can indirectly result in the promotion of positivity out there, but our agreeing with it does not help in that regard. For each human being who stops agreeing internally with such things, it helps lessen the impetus driving that catalyst.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - zedro - 03-09-2022
Analyzing catalyst is a study of the creation. For the fearful, best to stay in the shallow waters if not ready for the deeper explorations.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - flofrog - 03-09-2022
Interesting, LeiwoUnion , reading the beginning of your post I felt well, yes you can spread fear,n as in starting to scream to someone , here they are firing at us. but I see your point about fear being recognized inside by some analogous fear. Really good point.
I so agree that looking at fear, is the most liberating thing. And in fact makes you joyous at life, despite anything happening,
This said, invasion Is invasion.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - LeiwoUnion - 03-09-2022
(03-09-2022, 05:49 PM)flofrog Wrote: Interesting, LeiwoUnion , reading the beginning of your post I felt well, yes you can spread fear,n as in starting to scream to someone , here they are firing at us. but I see your point about fear being recognized inside by some analogous fear. Really good point.
I so agree that looking at fear, is the mot liberating thing. And in fact makes you joyous at life, despite anything happening,
This said, invasion Is invasion.
It is indeed seemingly quite unnecessary yet somehow invited into people's life like this. Sorrowful..
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - jafar - 03-09-2022
Like mentioned above, fear is a catalyst for courage, it's opposite in polarity.
Courage is a virtue, Fear is not a virtue yet a catalyst for a virtue.
Fear need to be faced out and not to be avoided, in order to transmute it to become courage.
Courage is among the attribute of love.
“Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage.”
-- Tao The Ching
Having said that, love need to be balanced out with wisdom.
Because those with great love yet lack of wisdom can easily be manipulated, while on the opposite those with great wisdom yet lack of love are ruthless.
To attain wisdom one need to be aware and knowledgeable about things, broaden the horizon thus shall easily recognize the pattern as shown by opposing polarity.
"And of everything we created in pair, so you can receive learning"
-- Quran 49
The longer explanation provided by Quo:
November 4, 2017
All of the creation, my friends, is created by the One Infinite Creator, using concepts of polarity so that there is the positive and the negative in the magnetic sense, that hold together the vibrations of the photon at various levels and angles of rotation so that the creation about you may be seen to be of what appears two kinds of power that operate in order that the creation which you experience may be experienced in a sense which can provide you with a deeper grasp or understanding of how you fit into this creation and how you may move yourself through it in the process of evolving in mind, in body, and in spirit.
Today in Ukraine one can witness how FEAR is being transmuted into COURAGE.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 03-09-2022
I take your observation to heart. And as well, Patrick's response.
(03-09-2022, 01:32 PM)Quincunx Wrote: Has anyone ever thought that by continuing this topic the unified consciousness is creating fear in those who continue to read about this stuff. My words are not to sway people away from what is happening. I encourage the original idea of this thread that aWanderer91 set an intention for.
This website is turning into conspiracy theories. What happened to spiritual development?
I consider this forum as a safe place to explore the metaphysical aspect of physical catalyst. It, for me, adds a gentleness to the looking at oneself (as both our individual consciousness as well as our Oneness) in the mirror.
Certainly, posts here prompt me to open my heart wider, or, on the other hand, to look at places where things get a bit sticky for me.
Either way, it is an opportunity to explore and practice more and more Love, and to notice where my 'feet' get stuck in the mud, and to see if I can unstick them. ha haThis, to me, is a time of 4D energies streaming in and perhaps engulfing our planet, and thus, possibly, a more critical (intense) time of choice.
When I fall asleep at night, I practice a form of Tonglen (Buddhist practice of expanding one's compassion). I hold some blockage or pain in my heart with tenderness and gentleness - whether it's mine or another's - and send Loving Light to that 'spot.' I usually start small, something manageable for me, so I don't overwhelm myself. And then I slowly expand to others who may be experiencing a similar pain, or blockage. And, when I'm ready, I also send Loving Light to the slowly-increasing number of beings who are now 'in my view.' Sometimes, I never leave the first blockage, and just sit with that and send Loving Light.
This has helped me 'cope' through covid and now Ukraine. It, for me, dovetails quite nicely with Law of One and 4D.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - flofrog - 03-10-2022
I wake up in the middle of night and immediately Ukraine invades me, it;s like a wave of love for both sides there, so intense. hard the first nights but now I look forward to it.
I listen to this below ant it magnifies it, though I was not especially listening to that kind of classic before
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-10-2022
Diana Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. ...The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. ...
This is a handy quote to keep in mind in these times.
There's also some touching scenes coming out of Ukraine, like this brass band playing "Don't Worry Be Happy" while preparing for imminent invasion.
And this violinist playing inside a bomb shelter:
The Ukranians are certainly giving the world a first class lesson in the philosophy of Stoicism.
I found a link (unsurprisingly) a long time ago between Stoicism and the Ra material, which I'll try and locate again. I think one of the Greek philosophers which Ra mentioned was influenced some of the influential proponents of Stoicism.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-10-2022
So I've obviously been giving this some thought, after listening to countless opinions and assessments from this or that individual with such and such noteworthy credentials...
If you stand back and you look at the bigger picture, we're having two competing ideologies. People the world over want freedom... freedom of movement, freedom to direct their own lives, freedom to think for themselves, freedom of press, freedom to govern themselves, freedom from authoritarianism, freedom to reach their highest potential...etc.
Putin is upset by NATO's eastward expansion, but the truth of the matter is that the ex-Soviet nations that are now NATO countries, 'they' were pushing for NATO membership. 'They' were the drive behind it. So what has happened here? They were standing there back in the day looking Eastward and looking Westward, and they decided that they want what those people in the West has.
No-one wants authoritarianism.
In the words of Winston Churchill:
Quote:Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…
The Ukranians have decided what they want, and now they find themselves in the unfortunate position to have to fight for it.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-10-2022
More educated people are leaving for the West, they want to earn money with their intelligence. It is intellectually more difficult to work in Russia (it is banal that the salaries of specialists in Russia are much lower than in the West), this is due to both geographical conditions and the mentality of its ordinary citizens working in ordinary shops, schools, factories. In Russia, oddly enough, "ideological brainwashing" is very poorly developed. Any weakened country will have difficulties in connection with its main population. First of all, these difficulties are related to material well-being. I work at the state library in a small town as a designer and get $300 a month for my work at the old rate)) But I don't want to change anything in my life, because such work has given me the opportunity to learn both about the Law of One and about various spiritual and esoteric directions around the world. That is, due to such work, I was able to afford self-education. And this job allowed me to raise a child in peace.
I think few people in this topic experienced the time of the coup d'etat and the weakening of the country, when they did not pay wages, when there was nothing to cook food from, when food was given out by cards. I've been through it all and I remember it well. Yes, at the beginning of the two thousandth, Russia went to meet the West, and what happened?
The coronavirus has swept through all countries of the world and I think that now the world community will have questions for the participants of this event.
Anyway, thanks to all the participants of the topic who are trying to keep peace and tranquility and send their love to our beautiful planet.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - Vasilisa - 03-10-2022
Have you ever wondered why the Confederation talks to us through channeling, and not the Federation of Planets Serving the Creator? And what is "desire"? And I agree with Lavrov that a cold world is better than a cold war. The cold world at least implies the operation of the rules of the game in the form of laws. If someone creates cheat codes for himself, feeling his own superiority, nothing good will come of it. This also applies to the new human invention of the "Information Bomb", manipulation of the psyche is a very dangerous thing for the entire human species!
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - IndigoSalvia - 03-10-2022
I notice that other countries are not stepping directly into the war, and fighting alongside either Russians or Ukrainians. They, instead, appear to be offering help in various ways (both military and humanitarian).
This seems to approximate (emphasis on approximate) - in a 3D way - Ra's advice to: send L&L and bid peace to others.
And, I also see more perspectives: some may see that other countries are indeed stepping into the war, for instance, with economic sanctions, etc.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-10-2022
Vasilisa Wrote:Yes, at the beginning of the two thousandth, Russia went to meet the West, and what happened?
I think the two ideologies - communism/authoritarianism vs democracy - are just incompatible with one another, and that's understandable.
The West wants Russia to democratize, and that seems about as likely to happen (back then & now) as hell freezing over... but then again, that's what they said about the Berlin wall...
There was also no reason for NATO to exist after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, since NATO was established because of the Cold War. Not dissolving NATO might have been the West's mistake perhaps, but I get the feeling many people in Europe are sleeping soundly at night these days because they belong to a NATO country. And who knows what credible intel they had back then to make them decide against NATO's dissolution.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - tadeus - 03-10-2022
(03-10-2022, 11:17 AM)YinYang Wrote: I think the two ideologies - communism/authoritarianism vs democracy - are just incompatible with one another, and that's understandable.
The West wants Russia to democratize, and that seems about as likely to happen (back then & now) as hell freezing over... but then again, that's what they said about the Berlin wall...
There was also no reason for NATO to exist after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, since NATO was established because of the Cold War. Not dissolving NATO might have been the West's mistake perhaps, but I get the feeling many people in Europe are sleeping soundly at night these days because they belong to a NATO country. And who knows what credible intel they had back then to make them decide against NATO's dissolution.
There are really substantially different ideologies?
Or only different forms of totalitarianism?
With more or less "rights" of private properties.
Addtional there was never something like a cold war or threat from any nationalities or states itself really existant.
Everything is only an illusion to keep all the people under control and to make business.
What's about the idea that there are only humans beings on this planet, trying to have a good life?
In a closer look there are many groups, tribes, interests, faith, etc., but at least there will be a natural development of spirituality, when nobody will disturb and program the human mind permanently.
RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - YinYang - 03-10-2022
Tadeus Wrote:There are really substantially different ideologies?
Or only different forms of totalitarianism?
Well, from my perspective, considering we live on a mixed polarity planet, both systems can (and are) exploited for self gain, but democracy has just a few more checks and balances in place that ensure a better chance for average people to have inalienable rights that afford them some safety and security.
Remember this is planet Earth, messy business indeed.... which is why I like Churchill's quote about democracy... full of cynicism, but so far the best we have.