(09-13-2020, 02:21 PM)dexter101 Wrote:

(09-13-2020, 01:53 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: dexter that does look dark, but likely due to lack of current intel. Please take a look at corey goode, john desouza, laura eisenhower, or portal2012 blog.

If an agent came to these forums, likely few if anyobe would recognize it. They might even be confused for the members that pere complained about

unfortunately I do not trust the people you have mentioned. i have read too many bad things about them.sorry.

(09-13-2020, 05:35 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:

(09-13-2020, 05:20 PM)Wanderer Seven Wrote: A great example is also the claim that human use of fossil fuel, by adding carbon dioxide we are creating a climate crisis. This is utter nonsense. This the greatest mass delusion of our time. Since the media has repeated for years that there is a consensus in science (there isn’t) and that it’s “settled.” False. So there is much deception of the masses. What the STS elites fear most is public awakening. Fear of climate change, fear of this person, that person. Don’t be manipulated.

The ironic thing is that our planet has far so long sequestered CO2, that plants are struggling. The climate is always changing due to various cycles, Milankovic cycles, solar cycles, and in a CO2 famine, the elites now want to herd us and control us by a falsehood, that we have to stop CO2 emissions. There is a backlash building among a large number of honest scientists (https://clintel.org  for one example) but if you listen to NPR, etc. they are “deniers” ... it’s an Orwellian world indeed. We need to learn how to discern!

Hmmm.... i don't really know anything about CO2 and it's impact on the environment. With that being said, what do you say about littering and oil spills? I see people litter all the time, and that is certainly causing issues for our environment. We cut down acres upon acres upon acres of rainforest for lumber.......

I don't know. To me it's sort of clear that we "abuse" our planet, whether that be from CO2 or not. We take what we want from it without considering that we are in fact all One.

(09-13-2020, 05:20 PM)Wanderer Seven Wrote:

(09-13-2020, 02:21 PM)dexter101 Wrote:

(09-13-2020, 01:53 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: dexter that does look dark, but likely due to lack of current intel. Please take a look at corey goode, john desouza, laura eisenhower, or portal2012 blog.

If an agent came to these forums, likely few if anyobe would recognize it. They might even be confused for the members that pere complained about

unfortunately I do not trust the people you have mentioned. i have read too many bad things about them.sorry.

Those who have been attacked the most, like David Wilcock, Corey Goode, J Desouza, Laura E. , have been attacked because they speak truth. If you allow those who write ‘bad things’ about others to control you, you are being controlled. It is far better to listen to those who are most attacked and discern what is truth. The light attracts the dark. Remember how Don, Carla, and Jim attracted a fifth density STS or negative being by channeling Ra. So do those who offer truth in this time of warfare get attacked by some who make an appearance of false positivity. These are dreadful times, as the forces of domination and control have all stops out to enslave the world and prevent the people from awakening and becoming free of their control systems. So, the best thing is to understand. The international banks, the global elites are feeling their agenda threatened. They have used humanity for a long time, taking advantage of our water nature, from session 88.

...” Your own nature is water in that you as mind/body/spirit complexes are easily impressed and moved. Indeed, this is the very fiber and nature of your journey and vigil in this density: to not only be moved but to instruct yourself as to the preferred manner of your movement in mind, body, and spirit.“

So we are susceptible to mass delusion and this is used to control us. The entire financial system is the primary example. A great example is also the claim that human use of fossil fuel, by adding carbon dioxide we are creating a climate crisis. This is utter nonsense. This the greatest mass delusion of our time. Since the media has repeated for years that there is a consensus in science (there isn’t) and that it’s “settled.” False. So there is much deception of the masses. What the STS elites fear most is public awakening. Fear of climate change, fear of this person, that person. Don’t be manipulated.

The ironic thing is that our planet has far so long sequestered CO2, that plants are struggling. The climate is always changing due to various cycles, Milankovic cycles, solar cycles, and in a CO2 famine, the elites now want to herd us and control us by a falsehood, that we have to stop CO2 emissions. There is a backlash building among a large number of honest scientists (https://clintel.org  for one example) but if you listen to NPR, etc. they are “deniers” ... it’s an Orwellian world indeed. We need to learn how to discern!

In love and light!

(09-13-2020, 05:20 PM)Wanderer Seven Wrote:

(09-13-2020, 02:21 PM)dexter101 Wrote:

(09-13-2020, 01:53 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: dexter that does look dark, but likely due to lack of current intel. Please take a look at corey goode, john desouza, laura eisenhower, or portal2012 blog.

If an agent came to these forums, likely few if anyobe would recognize it. They might even be confused for the members that pere complained about

unfortunately I do not trust the people you have mentioned. i have read too many bad things about them.sorry.

Those who have been attacked the most, like David Wilcock, Corey Goode, J Desouza, Laura E. , have been attacked because they speak truth. If you allow those who write ‘bad things’ about others to control you, you are being controlled. It is far better to listen to those who are most attacked and discern what is truth. The light attracts the dark. Remember how Don, Carla, and Jim attracted a fifth density STS or negative being by channeling Ra. So do those who offer truth in this time of warfare get attacked by some who make an appearance of false positivity. These are dreadful times, as the forces of domination and control have all stops out to enslave the world and prevent the people from awakening and becoming free of their control systems. So, the best thing is to understand. The international banks, the global elites are feeling their agenda threatened. They have used humanity for a long time, taking advantage of our water nature, from session 88.

...” Your own nature is water in that you as mind/body/spirit complexes are easily impressed and moved. Indeed, this is the very fiber and nature of your journey and vigil in this density: to not only be moved but to instruct yourself as to the preferred manner of your movement in mind, body, and spirit.“

Montalk Wrote:Attacks can sometimes serve as false confirmation in order to cattle-prod the paranoid into clutching more tightly onto their deceptive belief system, such as devout Catholics receiving demonic attacks because they are easily herded this way and fed upon. For those on the right track, attacks are far more sophisticated; they seek to undermine faith and pressure one into committing self-sabotage.

(09-13-2020, 05:52 PM)Patrick Wrote: If we assume that STS entities can no longer incarnate on this planet, then it's just a matter of time for elitism to fall away. Something like 3 to 5 generations is my guess.

(09-14-2020, 09:20 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: ...Each density has a frequency veil. What is true for sixth, not for 4th. Law of One is non duality but we live in duality. Contradiction? Law of One violates identity  principle. A is a. A cannot be b and a and c and d at same time. Law of One says no.

Quote:...we would suggest that one consider the possibility of translating into words a robin’s song so that the reader, upon reading the words, could successfully reproduce the musical notes.

(09-14-2020, 09:20 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: But i like to say this. Satan has root hack access to human minds. Even adepts and channels. That means anyone or everhone is a satan spy or agent smith potentially. Now that is paranoia but also true.

(09-15-2020, 12:45 AM)flofrog Wrote: Lol, Buddha was living in 3rd density and had access to ‘unity’ truth. And I em sure many many others  All depends on the path of each one.

(09-14-2020, 11:13 PM)peregrine Wrote:

(09-14-2020, 09:20 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: But i like to say this. Satan has root hack access to human minds. Even adepts and channels. That means anyone or everhone is a satan spy or agent smith potentially. Now that is paranoia but also true.

This would be serious if it were in any way true.  Funny that the Confederation sources seem to know nothing about this.  I'm not sure they even know who your satan is.
  
  

(09-14-2020, 09:47 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(09-14-2020, 09:20 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: ...Each density has a frequency veil. What is true for sixth, not for 4th. Law of One is non duality but we live in duality. Contradiction? Law of One violates identity  principle. A is a. A cannot be b and a and c and d at same time. Law of One says no.

Words are distortions.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1985/1985_0707.aspx

Quote:...we would suggest that one consider the possibility of translating into words a robin’s song so that the reader, upon reading the words, could successfully reproduce the musical notes.

My understanding is that what is true is true for all densities, but in each density we focus on different distortions of the same truths.  Even to the point where we can perceive paradoxes, which actually have their solutions from a high enough vantage point to see the whole picture.

Quote: 81.16 Questioner: Ra states that it has knowledge of only this octave, but it seems that Ra has complete knowledge of this octave.
Can you tell me why this is?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we do not have complete knowledge of this octave. There are portions of the seventh density which, although described to us by our teachers, remain mysterious. Secondly, we have experienced a great deal of the available refining catalyst of this octave, and our teachers have worked with us most carefully that we may be one with all, that in turn our eventual returning to the great allness of creation shall be complete.

Quote:Each of those which you have described, including, we might add, the anonymous writers, has been able to perceive with a varying degree of clarity that which exists beyond your realm of confusion, and in their perception have attempted to relay that image to their other selves in such a manner as to reproduce that perception. However, as you are aware, the reproduction of concept into words is quite difficult and often of poor result. We would therefore observe initially that the translation on each of the source’s part has been severely hampered by the inability to translate perception into words. As a further example, we would suggest that one consider the possibility of translating into words a robin’s song so that the reader, upon reading the words, could successfully reproduce the musical notes.

(09-15-2020, 10:43 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 12:45 AM)flofrog Wrote: Lol, Buddha was living in 3rd density and had access to ‘unity’ truth. And I em sure many many others  All depends on the path of each one.

Then why did this truth not free humanity from the Orions?

Because.

Ra 16.39 Wrote:Questioner: I am assuming it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from third to fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

Ra 1.10 Wrote:Questioner: Another question. Is it possible to create any acceleration of understanding [in] other entities [or are] all efforts… efforts by the individual on himself accelerating his understanding? In other words, if an individual tries to act as a catalyst in general to increase the awareness of planetary consciousness, is he doing nothing but acting upon himself or is it possible [inaudible]?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall answer your question in two parts, both of which are important equally.

Firstly, you must understand that the distinction between yourself and others is not visible to us. We do not consider that a separation exists between the consciousness-raising efforts of the distortion which you project as a personality and the distortion which you project as an other-personality. Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning, in which case you have done you/they little or no good. This understanding should be pondered by your mind/body/spirit complex, as it is a distortion which plays a part in your experiences at this nexus.

To turn to the second part of our response may we state our understanding, limited though it is.

Group-individuated consciousness is that state of sharing understanding with the other distortions of mind/body/spirit complexes which are within the evident reach of the mind/body/spirit complex individual or group. Thus, we are speaking to you and accepting both our distortions and your own in order to enunciate the laws of creation, more especially the Law of One. We are not available to many of your peoples, for this is not an easily understood way of communication or type of philosophy. However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach.

Each of those in this group is striving to use, digest, and diversify the information which we are sending this instrument, into the channels of the mind/body/spirit complex, without distortion. The few whom you will illuminate by sharing your light are far more than enough reason for the greatest possible effort. To serve one is to serve all. Therefore, we offer the question back to you to state that indeed it is the only activity worth doing: to learn/teach or teach/learn. There is nothing else which is of aid in demonstrating the Original Thought except your very being, and the distortions that come from the unexplained, inarticulate, or mystery-clad being are many. Thus, to attempt to discern and weave your way through as many group mind/body/spirit distortions as possible among your peoples in the course of your teaching is a very good effort to make. We can speak no more valiantly of your desire to serve.

(09-15-2020, 10:45 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: So if Buddha connects to intelligent infinity, somehow he has to translate it to another person, and even with telepathy and empathy, this is not 100% noloss.

(09-15-2020, 12:02 PM)Minyatur Wrote: ...is there a quote that says there was a goal of a faster evolution?...

Ra 18.18 Wrote:Questioner: Can you tell me Yahweh’s purpose in making the genetic sexual changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose seven five oh oh oh [75,000] years ago, as you measure time, the changes subsequent to that time were of one purpose only: that to express in the mind/body complex those characteristics which would lead to further and more speedy development of the spiritual complex.

Ra 18.8 Wrote:Questioner: Then an entity, say, four years old would be totally responsible for any actions that were against or inharmonious with the Law of One. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. It may be noted that it has been arranged by your social complex structures that the newer entities to incarnation are to be provided with guides of a physical mind/body/spirit complex, thus being able to learn quickly what is consonant with the Law of One.

Ra 28.14 Wrote:Questioner: Is there any reason for some portions being much more efficient in learning?

Ra: I am Ra. Is there any reason for some to learn more quickly than others? Look, if you wish, to the function of the will … the, shall we say, attraction to the upward spiraling line of light.

Ra 60.16 Wrote:Questioner: The pyramid shape then, as I understand it, was deemed by your social memory complex at that time to be of paramount importance as, shall I say, a physical training aid for spiritual development. At this particular time in the evolution of our planet it seems that you place little or no emphasis on this shape. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. It is our honor/duty to attempt to remove the distortions that the use of this shape has caused in the thinking of your peoples and in the activities of some of your entities. We do not deny that such shapes are efficacious, nor do we withhold the general gist of this efficacy. However, we wish to offer our understanding, limited though it is, that contrary to our naïve beliefs many thousands of your years ago the optimum shape for initiation does not exist.

Let us expand upon this point. When we were aided by sixth-density entities during our own third-density experiences we, being less bellicose in the extreme, found this teaching to be of help. In our naïveté in third density we had not developed the interrelationships of your barter or money system and power. We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.

We spent a much larger portion of our space/time working with the unmanifested being. In this less complex atmosphere it was quite instructive to have this learn/teaching device and we benefited without the distortions we found occurring among your peoples.

We have recorded these differences meticulously in the Great Record of Creation that such naïveté shall not be necessary again.

At this space/time we may best serve you, we believe, by stating that the pyramid for meditation along with other rounded and arched or pointed circular shapes is of help to you. However, it is our observation that due to the complexity of influences upon the unmanifested being at this space/time nexus among your planetary peoples it is best that the progress of the mind/body/spirit complex take place without, as you call them, training aids because when using a training aid an entity then takes upon itself the Law of Responsibility for the quickened or increased rate of learn/teaching. If this greater understanding, if we may use this misnomer, is not put into practice in the moment by moment experience of the entity, then the usefulness of the training aid becomes negative.

(09-14-2020, 09:20 PM)Ymarsaka Wrote: But i like to say this. Satan has root hack access to human minds. Even adepts and channels. That means anyone or everhone is a satan spy or agent smith potentially.

(09-15-2020, 12:21 PM)Patrick Wrote: My take on this is that it is absolutely impossible to really understand higher concepts while incarnated in 3D.

(09-15-2020, 03:02 PM)peregrine Wrote:

(09-14-2020, 09:20 PM)Ymarsaka Wrote: But i like to say this. Satan has root hack access to human minds. Even adepts and channels. That means anyone or everhone is a satan spy or agent smith potentially.

Let's try this again.  If there were any truth in your assertion, then the 5D- minus entity that wished to take out Carla could have simply used your little hack instead of having to be crafty, particularly when it was most frustrated.

I've seen no support for this in Confederation material and you offer no supporting evidence.  It would appear that you might be introducing fearful information for the fun of it, which happens to be against forum guidelines, by the way.
 
  

(09-15-2020, 04:17 PM)flofrog Wrote: Totally Agree on those guidelines by the way

Fact is I was not so much  shocked by apparent hateful language, to go back on (sorry for digress) peregrine’s thread about the forums, but I find the roundabout ways  to raise fear much more insidious to the group discussion...

(09-15-2020, 12:21 PM)Patrick Wrote: My take on this is that it is absolutely impossible to really understand higher concepts while incarnated in 3D.  Thinking that we, while here, can somehow get meaningful information that is so "true" that it comes from higher than Ra in 6D is just deluding ourselves.  Concepts that Ra cannot understand yet are simply impossible to understand while veiled here.

Since we do not have access to actual "truths", each of us can only create a model of understanding for ourselves from what Ra (and other sources) were able to transmit.

What I understood from Ra is that we even have to realize that we cannot build such a universal framework while in 3D.  This in order to demonstrate that we no longer need 3D and are then ready for 4D work.  Once you really understand that you cannot truly understand while here is when you realize you're done with 3D.  And once in 4D there we can start accessing the "real" universal framework.

Quote:There is a big trap which needs to be kept in mind. And it becomes very obvious as soon as a little logic is applied.

The messages of various well-known people who are prominently attacked do not add up, logically. Put it all together and you end up with a pile of contradictions. This shows that it cannot all, it cannot even mostly, be the truth. Some of it can, but logically, not more than a small portion.

If "being under attack" is seen as enough reason for something to represent the best and greatest, then all that negative forces need to do is to attack some bogus stuff to make it seem totally great. I think this happens a lot. A bit of careful reflection is generally in order... But note that I do not claim that any particular item listed by Ymarsakar is generally false! I'm only discussing the general ideas here.

https://medium.com/science-and-philosophy/stephen-hawkings-model-dependent-realism-2b2973af41a6 Wrote:“According to the idea of model-dependent realism … our brains interpret the input from our sensory organs by making a model of the outside world. We form mental concepts of our home, trees, other people, the electricity that flows from wall sockets, atoms, molecules, and other universes. These mental concepts are the only reality we can know. There is no model-independent test of reality. It follows that a well-constructed model creates a reality of its own.”
...
In the following, Hawking expresses what model-dependent realism is in a strong and clear manner:

“There is no picture- or theory-independent concept of reality. Instead we will adopt a view that we will call model-dependent realism: the idea that a physical theory or world picture is a model (generally of a mathematical nature) and a set of rules that connect the elements of the model to observations. This provides a framework with which to interpret modern science.”
...
Why did Stephen Hawking use the word “realism” to characterise his position?

At an intuitive level, model-dependent realism (MDR) appears to be an anti-realist position, rather than a realist one. After all, if one is stressing models, theories and “mental concepts” (see later section), then isn’t that also to stress some kind of anti-realist position? Perhaps the wording doesn’t matter.

(09-15-2020, 05:09 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote: You seem to believe that the model you have built for yourself could be somehow factual and so would automatically apply to others.  Well the model I built for myself from the Ra Material says that; there is simply no such thing in 3D space/time.

It's not a model I built for myself. As I may have mentioned here or elsewhere, it is direct channeling. Meaning, the same method the group of 3 did to channel iamraw's collective, is being done in current modern day by individual channelers linking to their higher self or other densities/realms. If it is impossible to channel high density information, then you have also directly negated or rejected the Law of One material this forum is based around.

(09-15-2020, 06:12 PM)Ymarsakar Wrote:

(09-15-2020, 12:21 PM)Patrick Wrote: My take on this is that it is absolutely impossible to really understand higher concepts while incarnated in 3D.  Thinking that we, while here, can somehow get meaningful information that is so "true" that it comes from higher than Ra in 6D is just deluding ourselves.  Concepts that Ra cannot understand yet are simply impossible to understand while veiled here.

Since we do not have access to actual "truths", each of us can only create a model of understanding for ourselves from what Ra (and other sources) were able to transmit.

What I understood from Ra is that we even have to realize that we cannot build such a universal framework while in 3D.  This in order to demonstrate that we no longer need 3D and are then ready for 4D work.  Once you really understand that you cannot truly understand while here is when you realize you're done with 3D.  And once in 4D there we can start accessing the "real" universal framework.

I don't see much disagreement between your position and mine. To backtrack and reclarify, I was mostly addressing Aso's point here, which I liked but did not entirely agree with.

Quote:There is a big trap which needs to be kept in mind. And it becomes very obvious as soon as a little logic is applied.

The messages of various well-known people who are prominently attacked do not add up, logically. Put it all together and you end up with a pile of contradictions. This shows that it cannot all, it cannot even mostly, be the truth. Some of it can, but logically, not more than a small portion.

If "being under attack" is seen as enough reason for something to represent the best and greatest, then all that negative forces need to do is to attack some bogus stuff to make it seem totally great. I think this happens a lot. A bit of careful reflection is generally in order... But note that I do not claim that any particular item listed by Ymarsakar is generally false! I'm only discussing the general ideas here.

The translation, use of language, and different people involved, means there will naturally be seeming contradictions. But at a higher perspective (or density), there is a truth like the Law of One that makes seeming paradoxes, consistent or logical.

You seem to agree with this, patrick, right?

Quote:Truth is subjective. Objectivity is not accessible. Someone could have temporary access to Objectivity while having an experience, like an NDE, but when they are back with us behind the veil they cannot really explain what they experienced. They keep saying that there are no words or that the words are not really touching it.

Even our scientists are getting there now. They are realizing that our brains cannot experience reality. We can only build a model of reality that will always be subjective.