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RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Asolsutsesvyl - 02-25-2021 There's some additional odds and ends about the contents and methods of the Cassiopaean channeling I've not described previously. To begin with, here's some very peculiar "Ra channeling" in the early years of the Cassiopaea material, in a short and unique exchange, which sounds more like a cosmic prank call than anything else. Quote:July 27, 1994 F****, Candy, Laura There's no further exploration of how that session differed from the others. (Symbolically, I think that "keeper of light" sounds a bit backwards, since a star radiates light, instead of (like a black hole) keeping it.) (02-24-2021, 10:41 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: In the modern Cassiopaean channeling (after that of the older years which e.g. Montalk finds of much better quality), they've experimented to varying extents here and there with who plays how large a role at the board which is used. It's a bit more flexible than LKJ always having her hand in the process of letters and other symbols being selected. Actually, I forgot to mention how in the early years, a smaller portion of the channeling was "direct channeling" through the mediumistic Mr F. (who has a talent for entrancing himself and passively letting stuff through). Those sessions -- the above is not one of them -- fit right in with early year contents in general. LKJ wrote about her years and decisive break with F. extensively, and I'll not bother summarizing it here. The main thing I want to note, in relation to how LKJ thinks of the Ra channeling, is how she generally seems to associate trance channeling with an odious atmosphere and attitude to the channeled source, after F.'s early direct channeling reportedly had a very smug, condescending, and otherwise offensive air about it despire the words coming through being fine. See the part below about that. Since the contents were pretty much the same with and without F. as vocal speaker, did the negative atmosphere come from F. (as LKJ thinks, extensively noting signs of an invisible power struggle), or did it come from the channeled source, in a way that comes through when spoken by a trance medium but not through the filtering of an Ouija board (thus masked in later years)? (03-27-2020, 01:06 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote:(03-27-2020, 09:44 AM)888 Wrote:(02-12-2020, 06:00 AM)Thoth73 Wrote: The Cassiopaean stuff gives me weird and creepy vibes. Well, there's also different ways of interpreting the same information that makes something more positive out of the Cassiopaean contact -- such as mixed or competing sources being channeled from the beginning, or even all the problems having to do with the agendas and filtering of (several) human participants. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - MrWho - 02-25-2021 "F" had a random connection 7th through 8th in their past. It is not an at will connection.(not currently). I think together Laura and F had good synergy, but the egos did not harmonize. Laura is an immense ego. It does not abide power above or adjacent to her own. In fact yellow ray of both is immense. Easily the most crystalized for both. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Minyatur - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 09:58 AM)Agua Wrote: I would say the whole „ veil“ thing is to a large extent an interpretation. The role of the veil is to generate the Law of Confusion, which in turns is what makes it so that we develop these traumas so easily, especially when we are very young and know literally nothing. Without this veil, we would have what the material calls an umbilical cord with the Creator and experience a feeling of total security. Nothing would be so terrible that we'd develop such severe traumas. The veil also is not just an abstract concept and instead something you can interact with. You can feel it, it can be pierced, it can be thinned and so on. Like the material says, there are as many ways to penetrate the veil as our imagination can provide. It is what creates the template for a more vivid and complex experience, as the veil focuses our perception within more restricted limits. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - MrWho - 02-25-2021 The veil is more like an artifact. No longer the "structure" of our reality. It lingers, but only barely. Those who are spiritually inclined notice the effect it(the ones spiritual aptitude) has on our other-selves. Even if they are completely in orange ray and not very self conscious.(the other-selves) RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Minyatur - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 12:12 PM)MrWho Wrote: The veil is more like an artifact. No longer the "structure" of our reality. Without the veil there would be no wanderer within this density, so I think it is still holding pretty well. Without it people would be aware of the divine and the Creator, they would be aware of their soul and past experiences, they would be aware of all subconscious functions of their body and able to control them, they would be aware of all unconscious patterns of their behaviors and from where they come, they would be aware of why they experience sickness and how to resolve them. All these things are accessible, but they require both will and focus to be consciously accessed. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - MrWho - 02-25-2021 I dont think so really. It is a 4th density experience. That just means we sense eachothers emotions more openly. It is harder to lie. A connection to the creator must still be formed like in 3rd. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Minyatur - 02-25-2021 We are still within a 3D experience, just that we are also experiencing a mixture of 4D energies at this time. The planet will experience a great transition to be fully activated in 4D, which the material describes as the planet becoming solid and inhabitable, offering initially a greater time/space experience rather than space/time. So you could say that 4D begins with entities being disincarnate for a time, much like 3D entities are in-between lifetimes where they can program their following incarnation into space/time. The harvest from density to density requires some sort of a quantum leap into a new degree of experience that is unlike the previous one, the gradual progression only leans toward that experience without achieving it. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Patrick - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 11:12 AM)Agua Wrote:(02-25-2021, 10:19 AM)Patrick Wrote: It's an interesting perspective. I think I rather meant it as your second statement. In the way you view what the veil is. Which to me is not transient at all to our experience here in 3d but very central indeed. What is unusual to me is that it does not seem to be the same as the vision Ra tried to impress on us (or at least how I understood it). So it's a new way of looking at it. Hence interesting. ![]() I believe the veil to be in the very design of how we are created by our Logos. Instead of something that is not part of our very core but that is created by ourselves. If we take an entity before the invention of the veil, they were made of 3 high-level components interacting. 3 x 3 = 9 archetypes. And now with a complex entity we have 21 archetypes + The Choice = 22 archetypes. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Patrick - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 12:12 PM)MrWho Wrote: The veil is more like an artifact. No longer the "structure" of our reality. The veil is not just in between the conscious and unconscious mind per se. It also has very meaningful repercussions on the body for example. Ra 85.19 Wrote:...Also upon the list of significant veiled functions of the mind would be that of dreaming. The so-called dreaming contains a great deal which, if made available to the conscious mind and used, shall aid it in polarization to a great extent. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - MrWho - 02-25-2021 It is my simplest understanding that we will become fully 4th density when the last 3rd density mind body spirit complex dies. I believe this includes dual bodied individuals. The law of confusion and free will must be respected. https://www.lawofone.info/s/62#29 Quote:Questioner: Yes. I search for a 2nd quote where Ra bluntly says we are almost entirely 4th density already, at the time of channeling. Relevant https://www.lawofone.info/s/17#1 Quote:Questioner: Thank you very much. I wish to say again… consider it an honor, great honor, and also a privilege, as my [inaudible]. And I would like to reiterate [that my] questions may sometimes go a little off because I keep going on something that I had already started to work into the applications of the Law of One to better understand primarily the free-will principle and further distortions that we discover. Here it is. https://www.lawofone.info/s/6#16 Quote:Questioner: What is the position of this planet with respect to progression of the cycle at this time? We are already 4th density. I do not believe there will be a sudden momentous change. For something that has already happened. The logic falls apart. My apologies for derailing this thread. However it is semi relevant to the OP of the Casseopeans and their incessant implication of some large global change. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Asolsutsesvyl - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 07:48 AM)Agua Wrote: Yes, I understand where you don't get my point. When I wrote my previous reply, I wondered if I was unfair to guess that that was your thinking, because it seems like such a caricature of an approach. I mean, your thinking is in response to the idea that the focus of consciousness may pendulate, that it's not meant to be fixed in a purely non-intellectual physical focus, and that there's legitimate spiritual value in moving up and not only down in focus. You only make an exception for those stuck in materialism who may need a small initial exposure to non-materialistic ideas. As such, I basically wonder why you value or are at all "into" any spiritual teaching which goes beyond the simplest? Because anything that stimulates the mind in an abstract direction is basically bad, according to your view, except as a necessary temporary ill in a few cases. I mean, you make that unambiguously clear. However, I don't dismiss this: (02-25-2021, 07:48 AM)Agua Wrote: The "danger" in that would be not realizing that in fact you are exactly as deeply entrenched in the non-spiritual as before. There's many possible qualities of mental activity. And mental activity can work more harmoniously with one's being as a whole, or as one of several currents of inner focus which clash with each other. Some teachings which recognize a difference between spiritually good and useless mental activity add basic distinctions, and describe how it works in life. The Fourth Way describes the "lower intellectual center" as one center (roughly matches one chakra) belonging to a functional third of the organism -- but the "window of the soul" of a center is not necessarily well used. The difference is, compared to your type of teaching, that it's viewed as possible for it to be well used. "Intellect" may be disharmonious and mechanical, or truly consciously soul-directed. But it's still a "lower center". Other lower centers include the two other fundamental "lenses" of the soul, emotional and instinctive/motoric. For each, there is also a corresponding "higher center". In turn, the path to consciously using "higher centers" is the great challenge, and begins with the heart, the emotional higher center being the first eye of the soul through which one can clearly see in the incarnation. (This is not to be confused with the soul soulfully using a lower center as a device.) That's achieved by few, there's nothing trivial about it. The second eye of the soul is a mind which is not the brain-mind, and which is integrated into the being through connection with and past the higher emotional center (which needs to meld with the lower emotional center first), not the lower intellectual center directly. Also -- a basic and tricky topic -- Gurdjieff made a distinction in the area of "lower intellectual" between thinking which is all physical "formatory apparatus" and based on labels and associations, and "mentation by form" which people in civilized sociaties tend to use all too little. Only by using the "proper mind" can understanding be approached. The one and only sticking point is really the idea that a "proper mind" exists, vs. the idea that no such thing can exist. The practice related to all this is extremely tricky, but begins with exercises in awareness, such as learning to distinguish between the centers in where awareness is centered and activity is driven from. I make no claims to mastery. (02-25-2021, 07:48 AM)Agua Wrote: We started this incarnation in a state of consciousness that you could call enlightened. I think that's oversimplified. Modern societies mess stuff up in people in all kinds of ways, especially scrambling emotional functioning and leaving much in its development to chance. But a clean slate before that is not the same as enlightenment -- it's not perfection in wisdom or some type of divine consciousness, any more than animals have it -- it simply means less interference for the soul in trying to get going with the body. (02-25-2021, 07:48 AM)Agua Wrote: So actually we inhabit an abstract thought realm, which is neither physical nor spiritual. It's a basic pattern, one of several, which many -- I recognize myself in it -- tend to match. I matched it even more in some earlier periods of my life. There are also people who don't live in their minds and mindlessly embrace the now and are living examples of how that is not enlightenment. And there are people so centered in their feelings that it dwarfs all physical and intellectual things not directly about it, all revolving around their liking and disliking their way around the world. There's several ways in which people can be lopsided. From each a more balanced whole can be approached. But this idea is at odds with all the simplified generalizations (ironically very abstract) which make one problem pattern the only and the answer to it the only answer, which doesn't work for everyone. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - MrWho - 02-25-2021 This may explain why Agua and others may seem desire to go "backwards". https://www.lawofone.info/s/41#14 Quote:Questioner: Is this energy center, then, on a very small scale related to the orange energy center in man? RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Minyatur - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 12:51 PM)MrWho Wrote: We are already 4th density. I do not believe there will be a sudden momentous change. For something that has already happened. The logic falls apart. This is the quote I had in mind. Quote:63.25 Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere? RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - MrWho - 02-25-2021 Yes, the earliest estimates put that at the year 2036. If we can all find a way to get along. Globally. https://www.lawofone.info/s/40#10 Quote:Questioner: What, assuming that we are, our vibration— I am assuming this vibration started increasing about between twenty and thirty years ago. Is this correct? 1981 minus 45 is 1936. https://www.lawofone.info/s/63#8 Quote:Questioner: From last session, I would like to continue with a few questions about the fact that in fourth density red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc., being in potentiation. Right now, you say we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as the green comes into total activation, and what is that process? https://www.lawofone.info/s/40#8 Quote:Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth density? All efforts should be made to find harmony to reduce this transition period. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Patrick - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 01:43 PM)MrWho Wrote: ...All efforts should be made to find harmony to reduce this transition period. Yes and the first harmony is harmony with the self. Not easy to work on but also the most beneficial for the planet. Bringing harmony to all your point of views. You basically approach an attitude that is along these lines here: https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0731.aspx Q`uo Wrote:...That which you know of the higher planes, that which you remember in a dim or not so dim way, bring into your heart and let it bless the environment that you see before you, just as it is. You are not here to clean it up. You are not here to make it right. You are not here to fix it. For all of the outer world is an illusion. You are here to love it. Take the world in your arms and embrace it. This is how you came to serve. This is your glory and your crown. Wear it well and rejoice in being here... RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - zedro - 02-25-2021 (02-25-2021, 12:34 PM)Minyatur Wrote: We are still within a 3D experience, just that we are also experiencing a mixture of 4D energies at this time. Exactly, if the veil was fully lifted and we were truly/completely in 4d, then Wanderers would essentially be gods right now, although there is certainly more and more manifestations happening. This realm has not finished being played out yet, it's pretty much demonstrable. Edit: I'll note that some may be interpreting the term veil a bit differently, I'm using it in the practical/metaphysical sense. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Asolsutsesvyl - 02-26-2021 This page 3 & 4 discussion in this thread brings up a nice philosophical selection for comparing. Whether explanations like "orange ray rebound" explain the contrast between Agua's spirituality and more multi-level (including mind) approaches -- other possibilities also exist, like a personal specific focus for the sake of a personal spiritual task planned at another level -- such explanations show a basic difference between the Law of One-related philosophy and Cassiopaean version. Because it doesn't make it a matter of good vs. evil, while the Cassiopaean version usually does. In the Cassiopaean version, STO and STS exist as universal abstractions, as cosmic "thought centers", considered very real, and which beings are aligned with in differing proportions. STO pulls towards full consciousness and non-materiality, while STS pulls towards consciousness ultimately collapsing and "falling asleep" as matter. LKJ moralizes it in terms of "ignorance is bliss" being the core of materialism and in some way all STS mentality. The idea of STS-ness at the core of what turns consciousness into sleeping matter is very gnostic. By contrast, Ra's version describes the cosmos as something much more organically evolving, in which good and evil are not handed down from the top-down. Instead, STO and STS emerged from the bottom-up as a result of logoses experimenting with tweaking the parameters of sub-creations. The fundamental division -- or creation of the illusion of non-unity -- is not the same division as the STS-STO division, unlike in LKJ's cosmology. That's an extremely clear-cut difference in the cosmologies. However, the formulations of the Cassiopaeans, in the early years, do not go as far as LKJ does in differing in essence from what Ra formulated for a cosmology. As Montalk (montalk.net) shows, syntheses which do not lose sight of the heart of the Law of One cosmology are possible. Though I question the accuracy of the abstractions used by the C's, thinking that they oversimplify the cosmos too grossly, in a way which made it very easy for the Cassiopaean community to use it as a basis for a moralizing spirituality which turns everything into a crusade against evil. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - MrWho - 02-26-2021 I would not worry about them. Those that throw themselves into the "wheel of action" will find themselves caught up in "the ways of balancing". It is up for each individual to seek to be consciously loving towards our other-selves. Those who do, do not escape the universal laws. All is well. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - zedro - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 12:02 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: In the Cassiopaean version, STO and STS exist as universal abstractions, as cosmic "thought centers", considered very real, and which beings are aligned with in differing proportions. STO pulls towards full consciousness and non-materiality, while STS pulls towards consciousness ultimately collapsing and "falling asleep" as matter. LKJ moralizes it in terms of "ignorance is bliss" being the core of materialism and in some way all STS mentality. The idea of STS-ness at the core of what turns consciousness into sleeping matter is very gnostic. I feel like this is a matter of relative (contextual) perspective, where the two views aren't necessarily exclusive of each other. The former view feels like it lends itself to a more practical perspective, the latter more philosophical. But like anything, both may have their pitfalls if misapplied. I have no problem with the labels good/evil, because I can apply it in a contextual manner (there is a basic 3d morality, not necessarily a popular viewpoint here but I'm not going to debate it ![]() RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - flofrog - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 12:02 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: By contrast, Ra's version describes the cosmos as something much more organically evolving, in which good and evil are not handed down from the top-down. Instead, STO and STS emerged from the bottom-up as a result of logoses experimenting with tweaking the parameters of sub-creations. The fundamental division -- or creation of the illusion of non-unity -- is not the same division as the STS-STO division, unlike in LKJ's cosmology. This is such an elegant and clear expression of Ra's version, which was what attracted me so much when I discovered it. Thank you Asolsutsesvyl RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Asolsutsesvyl - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 01:26 PM)zedro Wrote:(02-26-2021, 12:02 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: In the Cassiopaean version, STO and STS exist as universal abstractions, as cosmic "thought centers", considered very real, and which beings are aligned with in differing proportions. STO pulls towards full consciousness and non-materiality, while STS pulls towards consciousness ultimately collapsing and "falling asleep" as matter. LKJ moralizes it in terms of "ignorance is bliss" being the core of materialism and in some way all STS mentality. The idea of STS-ness at the core of what turns consciousness into sleeping matter is very gnostic. There's a point to it being possible to interpret and apply in several ways. The Cassiopaean formulation is easy to apply in many ways, and a basic question is, what is the purpose of the communication? Is it mainly meant for LKJ's purposes or whatever "mission" she is performing, or is it largely more general? If genuinely more general, it would be unfair to reject it based on how LKJ has brutalized the basic ideas in several stages over a range of years. I admit my description was too fast and loose for a good overview, I can do better. I mentioned Montalk, and how I see that he makes something more healthy out of it. I'll sketch out how I myself see basic sense in some Cassiopaean concepts, in a way compatible with the Law of One ideas. Thought centers of Being vs. Non-being -- not exactly the same as STO vs. STS, rather STO and STS are viewed as each aligned with a thought center. But more generally, the point about Being is that it's the essence of All, whereas Non-being is, well, Nothing (the opposite of All), "a mere thought". And the core of illusion -- Non-being -- is a central ingredient, mixed with Being -- and in turn consciousness -- to form the fabric of everything. And since STO turns towards Unity, it strives for Being, whereas STS as path of Separation has an illusory goal, a goal thus centered in Non-being. It doesn't add any additional moralizing and seems fully compatible with Ra's message. Also, my use of good/evil alongside STO/STS may or may not be sloppy, depending on perspective, and depending on context. I understand why some want a more detached or even naturalistic flavor and so avoid good/evil. I don't mind when people use the more moral labels, I don't want to overgeneralize my criticism of righteous crusading on a bogus foundation (thus possibly falling into the same pattern, even if milder). There's also the old altruism/egoism, but cultural associations form a muddy diverse range. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - zedro - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 04:27 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: And since STO turns towards Unity, it strives for Being, whereas STS as path of Separation has an illusory goal, a goal thus centered in Non-being. I do rather like that dichotomy, but do you feel that is more from the STO persons context (or additionally the STS submissive)? It feels that the 'illusory goal' of perpetuating 'non-being' is the goal of the dominant STS entity to perpetuate on others for the benefit of controlling them, but not necessarily held as their own view on existence, which is to be THE creator of their own domain. Or am I overreaching the concept? RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Dtris - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 06:46 PM)zedro Wrote:(02-26-2021, 04:27 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: And since STO turns towards Unity, it strives for Being, whereas STS as path of Separation has an illusory goal, a goal thus centered in Non-being. The Non-Being and Being dichotomy falls apart if you believe in a creation in which all are "redeemed" at 6th density and all is ultimately the explorations of the creator. In the Ra cosmology all that exists is conscious in some way. From the simplest of sub atomic particles, to bacteria and viruses, to plants, animals, humans, and higher density life forms. Even the planets and stars are conscious outside of the evolutionary track. The upward spiraling light pulls upward all beings given enough time. All is ultimately consciousness growing in unique directions. STS is not a path of non-being. It is a path where one must use control and dominance to overcome entropy. All becomes part of the self under the control of the self. Either path leads to the creator, since all are ultimately the creator experiencing itself. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - zedro - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 09:14 PM)Dtris Wrote: The Non-Being and Being dichotomy falls apart if you believe in a creation in which all are "redeemed" at 6th density and all is ultimately the explorations of the creator. No doubt, I'm taking it as a contextual viewpoint, like an internalized philosophy or system of thought one might adopt for a purpose. That was the framework for the post. I tend to subscribe to the notion that there are 'metaphorical truths' which have (limited) practical applications depending on where you are in the physical/metaphysical hierarchy. For instance acting as a sovereign individual is more practical to 3d spiritual development than considering yourself as basically a god, because ironically those who consider themselves as the latter tend to be narcissists, while being the individual might instill a better sense of responsibility. Of course this is a generalized example and I know could ruffle feathers in spiritual circles, but the main point is holding certain perspectives as truth may be more useful in some contexts, even if it's not the over-arching truth. This is why I believe we see different philosophies emerge from various higher dimensional sources, because there is obviously no consensus on how you appropriatly teach spiritual principals to veiled 3d beings with free will programming. The experiment lies both in the learning and teaching. Note I'm not debating on whether the C's or the Ra's have the greater metaphysical accuracy, but I'm more curious about the potentially different teaching values and outcomes (which I believe is Asolsutsesvyl's point). It reminds me of my engineering courses, where what was taught in year one almost gets scrapped in year 4, because it was so oversimplified that it barely represented reality, but it was a useful scalfolding at the time to start building the deeper reality around. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Dtris - 02-28-2021 (02-26-2021, 10:21 PM)zedro Wrote:(02-26-2021, 09:14 PM)Dtris Wrote: The Non-Being and Being dichotomy falls apart if you believe in a creation in which all are "redeemed" at 6th density and all is ultimately the explorations of the creator. I am a big fan of using your beliefs to create the most useful structures in your perception to enhance your life. If we look at the dichotomy of being and non-being from a usefulness perspective, where does it enhance a person's life? In your initial thinking the usefulness comes from not believing it themselves but enforcing the belief on their minions. Which does not actually speak to the efficacy of the belief but efficacy of a method of coercion. Assuming LKJ does believe that A) Higher Density/Dimensional beings exist, B)That these beings can be STO or STS, and C)That STS leads to non-being. Then it follows that the STS entities of higher density also know that it leads to non being, and is a self destructive act. If that is the case then these higher density and supposedly smarter beings are knowingly committing a slow suicide. From the perspective of 3D I can think of a good reason to believe and perpetuate this belief among a group. By believing that STS leads to non-being, you are defining those who are STS as LESS than those who are STO. Of course the in group is always going to be STO while those who are outside, whether 3D or not, will be defined as STS. Thus devalued in the minds of the in group, creating a sense of superiority and elitism. This being the hallmark of STS polarization. Maybe those who are more familiar with that forum can say if that is an accurate situation in that community. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - zedro - 02-28-2021 (02-28-2021, 09:05 PM)Dtris Wrote: I am a big fan of using your beliefs to create the most useful structures in your perception to enhance your life. If we look at the dichotomy of being and non-being from a usefulness perspective, where does it enhance a person's life? Exactly, so the philosophy may not directly enhance my life, but it can help me understand how some parts of the world are governed or function outside of myself, and help me navigate better. One of my favorite quotes to give my 'normie materialist' friends when explaining occult phenomena like satanism is some elitist circles, is that it's not important if you believe in satanism, but it is it important to understand that 'they' do. Because understanding their perspective can only enhance your own, and help you interpret people's actions better. Anyways, it's interesting in a peripheral sense. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Asolsutsesvyl - 04-28-2021 I just dropped this conversation for a time, thinking my input was too clumsy and not feeling like digging further into a philosophy I no longer care much about (the Cassiopaean version). Now, I think this has cleared up over time. (02-26-2021, 06:46 PM)zedro Wrote:(02-26-2021, 04:27 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: And since STO turns towards Unity, it strives for Being, whereas STS as path of Separation has an illusory goal, a goal thus centered in Non-being. There's a big, basic problem here. You and Dtris read further associations from the Cassiopaean material into the mentions of Being and Non-Being. I tried to divide the Cassiopaean ideas and reduce it to something smaller, but that can't be done without adding more text to clarify what's not meant, otherwise others end up confused. So, here's how I changed the idea, which I failed to make clear: Non-Being, or illusion, is not something which beings ever become, because Being is the opposite. To align with illusion, or Non-Being, instead means that something different than you aim for will be reached. And that is fully compatible with Ra's idea of the eventual polarity flip. This changed idea is, however, incompatible with how the Cassiopaeans further elaborate on Being and Non-Being, in a way I currently reject. (02-26-2021, 09:14 PM)Dtris Wrote: The Non-Being and Being dichotomy falls apart if you believe in a creation in which all are "redeemed" at 6th density and all is ultimately the explorations of the creator. LKJ believes in "half" of everything being fundamentally STO in nature and "half" fundamentally STS. Half the souls of the cosmos are one of these and half the souls are the other, from the start, and fated to become what they started out as (Being or Non-Being). Ra's cosmology is incompatible with this, and in it all souls have the Being nature. Only illusion which souls are temporarily engaged in has the Non-Being nature. (Ra doesn't use the terms Being and Non-Being, but I think these phrasings as specifically used here do not distort the meaning further.) This difference follows from the basic difference in where STS originates. In the Cassiopaean version, as I wrote earlier, it's from the beginning of creation, while in Ra's version, that polarity emerged from the bottom up. Ra's version is more aligned with the non-moralizing flavor of eastern philosophies in this regard. The Cassiopaean version is more aligned with the moralizing flavor of the Abrahamic religions. Actually, Ra's cosmology rejects the idea that STS and STO are proportionally "half-half". And while that Cassiopaean idea is appealing to anthropocentric intuition, it doesn't fit the shape which asymmetric things usually take on in nature. If STO is expansive and STS is contractile (sensible enough), it makes sense for STS to be like the narrow end of a funnel, smaller in the portion of Being involved in it. (02-28-2021, 09:05 PM)Dtris Wrote: From the perspective of 3D I can think of a good reason to believe and perpetuate this belief among a group. By believing that STS leads to non-being, you are defining those who are STS as LESS than those who are STO. Of course the in group is always going to be STO while those who are outside, whether 3D or not, will be defined as STS. Thus devalued in the minds of the in group, creating a sense of superiority and elitism. This being the hallmark of STS polarization. That's basically the situation Montalk describes as having happened in his 2006 article about LKJ and the Cassiopaea community derailing. As he predicted, the trajectory was stuck to. But as I've noted before, I currently think that it wasn't a derailing, but instead an STS seed blossoming more or less as hoped for at a higher level. The Cassiopaeans made it easy for a cult to be built using the building blocks they provided. Ra didn't, that's why a separate claimed "sequel" teaching different in core focus became the basis for creating a cult instead. That's my current thinking. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Asolsutsesvyl - 05-01-2021 Among Cassiopaean oddities, some posts above I shared the short, weird Cassiopaean "Ra session" which reads more like a prank than anything serious. Here, instead, I'll share the 2004 "Orion session", or parts of it. I trimmed some predictions, spy story material, and general stuff. Note: When Ra talks about X, whether it's "group" or "confederation of planets", etc., then Orion always basically means "the adversarial imitators" when added before X, including "Orion Confederation". By contrast, the Cassiopaeans divide Orion into STS and STO, like they do everything else, and claim that Orion is 50-50 STS and STO, and Orion STO contact is needed for a positive future. This was touched on earlier in the thread, I could however post more such from early sessions. The Cassiopaean name varies each session, supposedly according to the "frequency". I think that the below name, "Ioorinaea", sounds somewhat like a dragged-out version of the word "irony". Also: I think the Cassiopaean "Orion language" is probably simply made up. Personally, I also don't think there is any one true ancient human 3D language worth much of anything, but LKJ was earlier tracing word roots and trying to trace and stitch together something in her mind in search for something related to that, the Cassiopaeans supplying some related information, and it seems to be tied both to the long-ago blown up planet as well as, even further back, Orion as supposed anicent "origin" of humanity. There's various symbolic hints and clues pointing in sinister directions scattered throughout the Cassiopaean material, much like there's clues that make it all look good. That's old. I've deliberately avoided piecing things together to say, "look, Cassiopaea is simply Orion in disguise!" It would be easy enough to make such a case, but if people become emotionally involved as a result, it would make for a lousy intellectual level of discussion. If the below is genuinely a spooky transmission from Orion, then you would expect it to be thoroughly untrustworthy, much like if it was fake. Quote:October 23, 2004 In this session, it was also claimed that George W. Bush would continue as President "until he dies". The vagueness-enhancing addition, "there are many ways to die", has been used afterwards to rationalize that it's not a clear-cut failed prediction. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Patrick - 05-01-2021 It's hard for me to believe that anyone would resonate with that stuff. RE: Comparing Ra and the Cassiopaeans - Dtris - 05-01-2021 (05-01-2021, 08:17 AM)Patrick Wrote: It's hard for me to believe that anyone would resonate with that stuff. No kidding. It reads like a drunk uncle trying to text. |