(10-09-2017, 03:54 AM)Aion Wrote: There have been entities swimming around this site for ages, but it is pretty normal when someone has such entity attachments that those entities will inevitably be felt in some format or other through their communications. I view it as the opportunity to take action.

(10-09-2017, 04:30 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Well, I bid you good luck Dante.  I thought a quarantine kept such entities from directly interfering with us with their own technologies including crafts and equipment of a highly sophisticated mannerism.  Perhaps I am playing your game, I quit lol


I personally just view these 'entities' as another part of life metaphysically.


I can't say I've ever had a psychic greeting and my own initiation was honestly free of issue.   It was my own self that ended it, my own self that didn't believe I was good enough to be a healer.

Whether or not it was a darkness that affected me externally I find is moot.  Everything we experience is through our perceptions of our mind, so even if an invisible spirit is putting thoughts in my head, they are my thoughts in my own filter of a mind.  Even if it makes me rage, it is my rage,  and even if it fills me with a want to kill, it is my murderous desire.

Overall,  responsibility of our selves, if not emotional and thought responsibility, is what makes us say 'they made me do it' vs 'I did it because I lost control'.

And I can speak very personally on this matter of lacking self control,  if you own up to it, things get better.

I find it a somewhat unfair assessment that the darkness is so encumbered with restrictions while light mainly is free to do as it wills.  In many ways I don't believe fair is a proper descriptor of self aware life at all.  The planet was fair with life until self aware entities took residence, then 'life isn't fair' became the norm,  when it simply is not true.

It's US who are unfair.  We who say what is right and wrong then judge and condemn and call it justice are the ironic source of our own miseries.

I hope one day, I won't need to be a part of this 'duality'.  It is very disturbing, and very painful to be a part of.  No one is right or wrong,  we're all just selfish (sto) and selfless  (sts) and pretending to be selfless (sto) and selfish (sts) and calling it a spiritual path.

I find the labels tiresome, I find my own labelling tiresome.

If there is a darkness haunting you, Dante, I send it my understanding and love but withhold it too, as if to say, I just want you to know... That's all, good bye now.

Because I'm tired of everything needing to be hurt or repelled or mistreated for a specific outcome.  The futility of a true unconditional love is very despairing.  If you provide it, it hurts a being,  how is unconditional love that hurts another have the means to be called such?  
And yet to withhold it and not hurt one is to become hurt.

Doesn't anyone ever look at it all and question how these things can be called such?

God's, monsters, lovers, haters, healers, humans, we're all the same, so why would we partake in such violent love towards each other?

After a while, it kind of loses its meaning.  Somedays I almost feel like I'm the only person in this planet that feels so deeply about these 'basic truths' like death being intertwined with survival.  Darkness being lost light.  Madness being played as sanity.

I don't know how,  but I try to believe that underneath it all, there is no light or dark or fullness or emptiness,  just...  Something that makes experiencing all of this...

Worthwhile.

(10-09-2017, 04:21 AM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 01:03 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Dante, I don't believe it's a matter of mental illness as much as a matter of mind over matter...Or in this case, mind over spirit.

I think you should notice when you're being manipulated and override it in mind.

Easier said than done. Especially when we are talking about beings that have advanced technologies that we can not comprehend. I think you are missing this point. It's not just mind over matter or mind over spirit. It's science over matter (call it magic if you want). And they have that advantage.

Quote:I also wouldn't subscribe to any system,  I personally just take what seems actual or as I say: True And Real, and just run with it.  I do not believe in demons, only spirits.  I don't even believe in most magic. Hell, I call science magic.

It doesn't matter whether you call them demons, spirits, angels, or aliens. They are all the same thing.

Quote:I understand the concept of STO people of a high caliber attracting dark attention.   I even think in some ways the 5D entity in the Ra Material was an entity belonging to Ra.

I however question the validity of it all.  I suggest you should question it all too.  Re-examine what you believe so doubtlessly to be true.

Also, and I thought of this in regards to Carla's situation,  but have you ever thought of just taking a break from being of service to others?  If it has given you such torment, why do you persist??

What is the drive to do so endlessly to death?  You're human man.  Grab some lemonade, sit back, read a good book, I recommend Hatchet.  Take a break, tell the stuff messing with you to go play in traffic because you're not bothering with it's insanity for now.

Waste their time, if you've done as much sto work as you say then you've polarized enough to merit a break.

I suggest you take the universe's suggestions to (temporarily) cease and desist and just enjoy yourself!

Wow! Lot's of You's here. Listen, there's nothing I'm doing wrong! Everything you're positing here is pretty much common sense. I'm not suicidal, I'm not drinking and drugging myself to death, I don't kick the dog or take this out on anyone. In fact if you saw me, you would never know that this was happening to me. There are many people that are 'quietly possessed.' It doesn't mean they accept it. They just deal with it privately and not wear it on their sleeve. Others end up being a total wreck (although I will admit that I have had my moments).
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Quote:Just saw your new post.  I think it's curious that you believe a divine dark entity is focusing on you but not a divine good entity.

Note that word, Believe, you believe in a lack of light overlooking you. Would this belief not be empowering to darkness?

I think your twisting my words. I never said anything about a divine dark entity focusing on me. I have referred to this in other posts as multidimensional beings, Cosmic Mind Matrix, or Cosmic Logos that are behind this polarity matrix that we exist in.  

Quote:Note also your belief in omnipotence.

I do not believe in omnipotence.  I believe in omniscience. Omnipresence. Many omni's, but not potency. Omnipotence is a fun illusion for the creative being to play with.   I am omnipotent, especially as an artist, a writer, a dungeon master, an author.  I am not omnipotent as a physical being and I promise you no other being is either.   They are stories for fear and control,  omnipotence is a fantasy.

My belief in omnipotence?! I didn't know omnipotence was a belief. I just thought it was a word. I think you get too caught up in word play/semantics. Focus on what I'm saying. All I am saying is that if there are these 'light beings' that you reference, then I'm sure that they have enough awareness (if that is an acceptable word), to know what is going on here.

Quote:Darkness is of its self the greatest fantasy, our collective human fascination with violence and horror and conflict in purely fiction is a potential proof of this.  We are fascinated with what is not.

Consider this, scientifically there is no such thing as 'darkness', there is only a less intensity of light.

So next time your faced with 'darkness' and 'negativity', there is hidden Light and positivity to be observed.

For all the dark forces do to conceal themselves, they are actually trying to hide from themselves their own light.  We are all mirrors. Darkness, in a mirror, sees light.

Hence their propensity to concealment.

Humans are no different,  where we realize our evil we try to rectify it with good to points of being irrational.  Hitler thought he was doing good.

Don't play with delusions of darkness.  It's a rabbit hole of the shadow self into places unimaginable but awaiting to be imagined, the dark potential real but still not real.

It's weird how it all goes...  And it relies solely on your focus.

Focus on this gestalts true nature, it's light, don't play the game of darkness it clouds itself within like the freshly aware Demiurge found itself shrouded from all others and seemed it's self the only divine.

Don't play those games.  Don't believe in them.

There's a better way, and I hope that you find it.  Focus on The Truth.

Thanks, but you're preaching to the quire here. You're basically making my argument. I argue that all of these beings are the same. They just operate at different frequency levels and dimensions. The higher the frequency or dimension, the lighter they are. The lower the dimension or frequency, the darker they are. It is a game of illusion that multidimensional beings like to play on us in 3D.

Again, I think you guys need to take a different approach. There is nothing wrong with ME! Other than this external force or power that is far more advanced than you or I. To acknowledge this does NOT mean I'm giving it anything! There's a reason that they call it 'possession' you know. This isn't something you can just imagine away. That's delusional!

This discussion would be more productive if we talk about ways that WE ALL can avoid the pitfalls and perils of 3rd density games played on us by advanced beings. That's what I'm trying to do. I appreciate your advice, but I'm not just making this about ME.

(10-09-2017, 04:57 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Oh no, I'm not talking about just physical reality,  I am talking of the whole octave just about, and perhaps more if such conditions persist.

For instance, the 'wars in heaven' in 4D.  The 5D ability to assault 3D beings.

Violence is not retained to physical reality, I just wish things were more peaceful.

(10-09-2017, 04:57 AM)smc Wrote: ^j^

(10-09-2017, 04:21 AM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 01:03 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Dante, I don't believe it's a matter of mental illness as much as a matter of mind over matter...Or in this case, mind over spirit.

I think you should notice when you're being manipulated and override it in mind.

Easier said than done. Especially when we are talking about beings that have advanced technologies that we can not comprehend. I think you are missing this point. It's not just mind over matter or mind over spirit. It's science over matter (call it magic if you want). And they have that advantage.

Quote:I also wouldn't subscribe to any system,  I personally just take what seems actual or as I say: True And Real, and just run with it.  I do not believe in demons, only spirits.  I don't even believe in most magic. Hell, I call science magic.

It doesn't matter whether you call them demons, spirits, angels, or aliens. They are all the same thing.

Quote:I understand the concept of STO people of a high caliber attracting dark attention.   I even think in some ways the 5D entity in the Ra Material was an entity belonging to Ra.

I however question the validity of it all.  I suggest you should question it all too.  Re-examine what you believe so doubtlessly to be true.

Also, and I thought of this in regards to Carla's situation,  but have you ever thought of just taking a break from being of service to others?  If it has given you such torment, why do you persist??

What is the drive to do so endlessly to death?  You're human man.  Grab some lemonade, sit back, read a good book, I recommend Hatchet.  Take a break, tell the stuff messing with you to go play in traffic because you're not bothering with it's insanity for now.

Waste their time, if you've done as much sto work as you say then you've polarized enough to merit a break.

I suggest you take the universe's suggestions to (temporarily) cease and desist and just enjoy yourself!

Wow! Lot's of You's here. Listen, there's nothing I'm doing wrong! Everything you're positing here is pretty much common sense. I'm not suicidal, I'm not drinking and drugging myself to death, I don't kick the dog or take this out on anyone. In fact if you saw me, you would never know that this was happening to me. There are many people that are 'quietly possessed.' It doesn't mean they accept it. They just deal with it privately and not wear it on their sleeve. Others end up being a total wreck (although I will admit that I have had my moments).
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Quote:Just saw your new post.  I think it's curious that you believe a divine dark entity is focusing on you but not a divine good entity.

Note that word, Believe, you believe in a lack of light overlooking you. Would this belief not be empowering to darkness?

I think your twisting my words. I never said anything about a divine dark entity focusing on me. I have referred to this in other posts as multidimensional beings, Cosmic Mind Matrix, or Cosmic Logos that are behind this polarity matrix that we exist in.  

Quote:Note also your belief in omnipotence.

I do not believe in omnipotence.  I believe in omniscience. Omnipresence. Many omni's, but not potency. Omnipotence is a fun illusion for the creative being to play with.   I am omnipotent, especially as an artist, a writer, a dungeon master, an author.  I am not omnipotent as a physical being and I promise you no other being is either.   They are stories for fear and control,  omnipotence is a fantasy.

My belief in omnipotence?! I didn't know omnipotence was a belief. I just thought it was a word. I think you get too caught up in word play/semantics. Focus on what I'm saying. All I am saying is that if there are these 'light beings' that you reference, then I'm sure that they have enough awareness (if that is an acceptable word), to know what is going on here.

Quote:Darkness is of its self the greatest fantasy, our collective human fascination with violence and horror and conflict in purely fiction is a potential proof of this.  We are fascinated with what is not.

Consider this, scientifically there is no such thing as 'darkness', there is only a less intensity of light.

So next time your faced with 'darkness' and 'negativity', there is hidden Light and positivity to be observed.

For all the dark forces do to conceal themselves, they are actually trying to hide from themselves their own light.  We are all mirrors. Darkness, in a mirror, sees light.

Hence their propensity to concealment.

Humans are no different,  where we realize our evil we try to rectify it with good to points of being irrational.  Hitler thought he was doing good.

Don't play with delusions of darkness.  It's a rabbit hole of the shadow self into places unimaginable but awaiting to be imagined, the dark potential real but still not real.

It's weird how it all goes...  And it relies solely on your focus.

Focus on this gestalts true nature, it's light, don't play the game of darkness it clouds itself within like the freshly aware Demiurge found itself shrouded from all others and seemed it's self the only divine.

Don't play those games.  Don't believe in them.

There's a better way, and I hope that you find it.  Focus on The Truth.

Thanks, but you're preaching to the quire here. You're basically making my argument. I argue that all of these beings are the same. They just operate at different frequency levels and dimensions. The higher the frequency or dimension, the lighter they are. The lower the dimension or frequency, the darker they are. It is a game of illusion that multidimensional beings like to play on us in 3D.

Again, I think you guys need to take a different approach. There is nothing wrong with ME! Other than this external force or power that is far more advanced than you or I. To acknowledge this does NOT mean I'm giving it anything! There's a reason that they call it 'possession' you know. This isn't something you can just imagine away. That's delusional!

This discussion would be more productive if we talk about ways that WE ALL can avoid the pitfalls and perils of 3rd density games played on us by advanced beings. That's what I'm trying to do. I appreciate your advice, but I'm not just making this about ME.

but it IS all about you

and we're already replying to you discussing "ways that WE ALL can avoid the pitfalls and perils of 3rd density games played on us by advanced beings."

so this is where I begin to consider we may not be speaking with you - but maybe the 'entity'... because you've just described 'your' agenda for discussion here... to focus on the "pitfalls and perils" --> Agenda? Please lady, give me a break!

in fact why didn't we give consideration to this from the first time you mentioned that it can take over your body movements (?) --> I did mention this in other posts. Is it my fault that you didn't see it?

at this point you're getting people to repeatedly post the same advice (in different sentence structures...) and it's now feeling vampiric... --> That's their prerogative.

what's YOUR solution if ours isn't useful for you? --> We've discussed this already. Now you're being repetitive. Go back and read the previous posts in this thread.
nb: because if your answer is that you don't have a solution but you want to repeatedly post about the perils and pitfalls... that speaks to your agenda/energy state quite clearly  

that's why I posted Carla's advice --> Thanks.

- what you focus on you create more of...

- over and out.

^j^

(09-20-2017, 08:47 PM)Dante776 Wrote: Is there anything that can be done to change these dynamics because I feel like I am just being used by cosmic beings to achieve their agenda at my life’s expense?

(10-09-2017, 10:54 AM)isis Wrote:

(09-20-2017, 08:47 PM)Dante776 Wrote: Is there anything that can be done to change these dynamics because I feel like I am just being used by cosmic beings to achieve their agenda at my life’s expense?

Maybe not!
Maybe it's needed and will fall away when it's not.

Sorry about your luck and I hope it gets better.

(10-09-2017, 05:39 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote:

Quote:I will also admit that I agree that all those "Confederation" sources including the Ra Material are 'infected' with the same egregore that has been having a ball driving people all sorts of insane. You're not alone.

I know this a bit off topic. Can you explain more about the Ra material being infected be an egregore ? Ra's and confederation sources are said to be one of the most pure we have.

(10-09-2017, 01:37 PM)Night Owl Wrote: Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

(10-09-2017, 02:05 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 01:37 PM)Night Owl Wrote: Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=14875

Quote:68.17 Questioner: I am interested in how the first distortion applies to the negatively polarized entity misplacing the mind/body/spirit complex. Why is the negatively polarized entity followed to the place of negative time/space? Why would one of us freely follow the entity?

Ra: I am Ra. The positive polarity sees love in all things. The negative polarity is clever.

Quote:The entity of Orion pierces the same violet ray and moves to two places to attempt most of its non-physical opportunities. It activates the green-ray energy center while further blocking indigo-ray energy center. This combination causes confusion in the instrument and subsequent over-activity in unwise proportions in physical complex workings. It simply seeks out the distortions pre-incarnatively programmed and developed in incarnative state.

(10-09-2017, 02:14 PM)Aion Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:05 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 01:37 PM)Night Owl Wrote: Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=14875

Yes, but why do you trust what Ra says?

(10-09-2017, 02:32 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:14 PM)Aion Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:05 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 01:37 PM)Night Owl Wrote: Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=14875

Yes, but why do you trust what Ra says?

I don't necessarily 'trust' what Ra says. I take the same position that you do regarding Ra. But since this is a forum dedicated to LOO/Ra material, I am making my assertion from that center. Nonetheless, I still say that no one 'seeks' this type of experience unless they are a practicing 'black' magician or something. Which I certainly am not.

(10-09-2017, 02:37 PM)Aion Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:32 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:14 PM)Aion Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:05 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 01:37 PM)Night Owl Wrote: Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=14875

Yes, but why do you trust what Ra says?

I don't necessarily 'trust' what Ra says. I take the same position that you do regarding Ra. But since this is a forum dedicated to LOO/Ra material, I am making my assertion from that center. Nonetheless, I still say that no one 'seeks' this type of experience unless they are a practicing 'black' magician or something. Which I certainly am not.

Oh for sure, and I know the type. You don't come across as being like that. I think you were taken advantage of in a time when you were open. You're not the first one besides myself I know to have it happen either. They attack children, it's pretty f***** up.

(10-09-2017, 02:05 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 01:37 PM)Night Owl Wrote: Those who are more attracted by the dark force may actually be seeking the specific experience that will lead them to the same unified feeling between these two contrasting forces.

Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=14875

(10-09-2017, 02:44 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:37 PM)Aion Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:32 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:14 PM)Aion Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:05 PM)Dante776 Wrote: Huh? Trust me. This isn't something anyone seeks, consciously or subconsciously. Again, Ra states very clearly how this may happen.. https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=14875

Yes, but why do you trust what Ra says?

I don't necessarily 'trust' what Ra says. I take the same position that you do regarding Ra. But since this is a forum dedicated to LOO/Ra material, I am making my assertion from that center. Nonetheless, I still say that no one 'seeks' this type of experience unless they are a practicing 'black' magician or something. Which I certainly am not.

Oh for sure, and I know the type. You don't come across as being like that. I think you were taken advantage of in a time when you were open. You're not the first one besides myself I know to have it happen either. They attack children, it's pretty f***** up.

Yes, but you've also made the point that it's often pre-birth soul agreements at work. That's a different kind of entanglement all together.

(10-09-2017, 02:56 PM)Aion Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 02:44 PM)Dante776 Wrote: Yes, but you've also made the point that it's often pre-birth soul agreements at work. That's a different kind of entanglement all together.

When did I ever make that point?

Quote:One thing though is that there has been developed on the negative side highly sophisticated magical technology which they use to manipulate the life-plans of individuals. That's one of the reasons I think they have been so ruthless on this planet is they have literally figured out a way to rewrite peoples' tapestries by introducing new pathways that weren't originally put there by the individual's total self. It's insidious, really. I have learned how to dispel these 'dark threads of fate' and ways to strengthen one's own tapestry but it is challenging, they are woven across the planet like vast spider webs.

(10-09-2017, 03:24 PM)Aion Wrote: Even more annoying was I at one point manage to destroy these 'dark fates', but they were recreated and improved upon. I haven't been able to affect them the same way since, I can only dispel their threads where-ever possible. I don't think destruction will be able to do it. I think what has to happen is for individuals to be drawn and called to their true tapestry, I think that is the work of really positive workers.

(10-09-2017, 03:32 PM)Sprout Wrote: When you are traumatized you either can learn and heal, or pass it on to traumatize others. So I ask you now, if you claim that no one would wish this, why do you try to scare us?

(10-09-2017, 04:17 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-09-2017, 03:24 PM)Aion Wrote: Even more annoying was I at one point manage to destroy these 'dark fates', but they were recreated and improved upon. I haven't been able to affect them the same way since, I can only dispel their threads where-ever possible. I don't think destruction will be able to do it. I think what has to happen is for individuals to be drawn and called to their true tapestry, I think that is the work of really positive workers.

I know that this is beyond most people's believability threshold. But, there is a reason why I posted a black helicopter hovering above a home in the 'Law of One and Targeted Individuals' post. Because that is precisely what has happened in my case. This all started when these choppers would circle my home. This would go on periodically for months. Sometimes the chopper would come so close to my home that it felt like it was landing on my roof. They were doing some kind of 'targeted' programming on me from the chopper. Still happens from time to time. Here's the rub though! I do not think these are humans. Remember, certain beings can take on human form. Perhaps it's the Orion group, the Lizzies, Zetans, who knows for sure? The entities that are attached to me are always claiming them as their own. So, go figure.

I believe, no I'm fairly certain, that this is all part of the same phenomenon that you are referring to regarding beings with highly sophisticated magical technology (the Greys are said to have sophisticated 4th dimensional technology). Perhaps they are coming out of Area 51 or some other secret hidden D.U.M.BS. I believe these are aliens that operate clandestinely within our reality, often right under our noses. And I believe they operate at different levels of multidimensionality, from 3D, 4D, 5D, 6D and beyond. That's why I can't just flat out accept Night Owl's claims that this is something that only occurs internally. That may be true in some cases, but I know from first hand experience that it is often far more complex than that. I believe that it's both 'internal' and 'external' control.