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RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Minyatur - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 09:23 AM)darklight Wrote:(03-03-2016, 03:13 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: That Harvest-focused attitude also concerns me a bit because some people who seem worried about the Harvest also don't seem to enjoy life very much. The ones Quo talks about who are only half-awake, and just want to go home. Ra and quite a few other respectable sources have emphasized, repeatedly, that part of learning the lessons of Love is learning to love the Earth and life on it. If someone is totally focused on the Harvest and "escaping" third-density, they could potentially end up preventing themselves from learning the lessons needed to make that graduation.
I never understood this. The Earth is not a paradise. The entropy is large. There is no way to accept the catalyst as something beautiful. The catalyst provides a learning process for the few who learn. For the majority, it's a tool to create chaos.
The world becomes never a better place because it's feeding catalyst. The only thing I've learned is that this isn't what I want. You can't love disharmony. If you can't save the planet, save yourself.
I think this earth might be quite a learning tool, for every single soul that took part in it.
3D is the experience of 3D, what is harvested is these experiences and these then become tools to further evolve in 4D. So in this light, I do think much will be gained by all.
We are the Creator and this world is but a mirror unto Ourself among many others. Disharmony was sought when harmony became seen as limited of an experience.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Fastidious Emanations - 03-08-2016
What About yes and no
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-09-2016
But I believe it's not selfish to think about the harvest and the wish to leave.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Aion - 03-09-2016
(03-09-2016, 06:55 AM)darklight Wrote: But I believe it's not selfish to think about the harvest and the wish to leave.
That seems like you are trying to convince yourself of the validity of your thoughts. I would say such a desire is one based on comfort and is neither selfish nor selfless.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-09-2016
The catalyst is raising here in Europe. Netherlands, Germany and other European countries, the war in Syria and the coming refugees is changing Europe.
Even if the news would be half true, the society is changing rapidly. There is so much negative news about the refugees. People are sharing half truths and complete lies via social media about this situation.
The 'sinkhole' is a very dangerous zone. I can't love this situation, I can't fool myself, this is my truth.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - APeacefulWarrior - 03-09-2016
(03-09-2016, 06:55 AM)darklight Wrote: But I believe it's not selfish to think about the harvest and the wish to leave.
I hate doing a pure appeal to authority, but just about every major positive channeled entity has said, in so many words, Earth is here largely to teach lessons of Love and learning to Love the Earth (and the people on it) is one of the best ways of doing that. Some like Q'uo and Jeshua are emphatic about this to the point of making it sound like a categorical imperative. At least for those seeking the Positive path.
And if you are truly concerned about making it through the Harvest and going on to and\or returning to higher densities, wouldn't it make sense to follow the advice of those speaking specifically on that subject? This isn't about "selfishness," it's about the possibility you're dealing with the world in a way that could be sabotaging your own stated goals.
It seems like something that deserves consideration, anyway...
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-09-2016
I''m only observing the situation. Wouldn't sending endless love create a some kind of entropy?
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Aion - 03-09-2016
How do you figure? It is the lack of Love that creates more entropy, in my opinion. Without Love things do not connect and thus become more separate, more dissonant and thus more chaotic entropy develops.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - APeacefulWarrior - 03-09-2016
I consider the question of whether the Creator has to deal with entropy in higher octaves to be a very interesting one. However, since the power behind this love is generally referred to as intelligent infinity, I think it's safe to assume it's a bottomless resource from our point of view.
After all, the love is already there, because the Creator already loves all that is. We're just tapping into what already exists.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-09-2016
(03-09-2016, 03:14 PM)Aion Wrote: How do you figure? It is the lack of Love that creates more entropy, in my opinion. Without Love things do not connect and thus become more separate, more dissonant and thus more chaotic entropy develops.
No, it's a overdose of love that creates entropy. Thus more love than people can handle.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - APeacefulWarrior - 03-09-2016
And an overdose of heavy lifting creates muscle fatigue. Yet we all know what happens when that overdose occurs often. The fatigue lessens, and the muscles grow stronger.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-09-2016
I realize that sometimes, STS control can bring peace. For example, removing some middle East dictators can cause chaos.
Sometimes, people need dictators.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Aion - 03-09-2016
I disagree, but I think you are seeking comfort and that is valid.
I really don't think there is an issue of 'too much love', that seems more just a reflection of your own feelings? Do you feel overwhelmed by love? I know I can at times but it's usually because it's a lot of energy to process.
I don't see how that causes 'entropy' though because in my view Love is a harmonizing energy and so the 'discomfort' isn't that entropy is being created, it's that it is being organized but since the chaos is so 'established' it is a foreign experience and so the ego fights it. It's just a gradual rather than instantaneous process, IMO.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-09-2016
Too much love will kill you.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-09-2016
(03-09-2016, 03:48 PM)Aion Wrote: I disagree, but I think you are seeking comfort and that is valid.
I really don't think there is an issue of 'too much love', that seems more just a reflection of your own feelings? Do you feel overwhelmed by love? I know I can at times but it's usually because it's a lot of energy to process.
I don't see how that causes 'entropy' though because in my view Love is a harmonizing energy and so the 'discomfort' isn't that entropy is being created, it's that it is being organized but since the chaos is so 'established' it is a foreign experience and so the ego fights it. It's just a gradual rather than instantaneous process, IMO.
I believe balance is the key.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Aion - 03-09-2016
Aha If you say so. That is nice and poetic, but again I think you are just expressing your own emotional state as you appear to have something of a fear of love, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Not everyone is meant for the mushy stuff.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Aion - 03-09-2016
(03-09-2016, 03:52 PM)darklight Wrote:(03-09-2016, 03:48 PM)Aion Wrote: I disagree, but I think you are seeking comfort and that is valid.
I really don't think there is an issue of 'too much love', that seems more just a reflection of your own feelings? Do you feel overwhelmed by love? I know I can at times but it's usually because it's a lot of energy to process.
I don't see how that causes 'entropy' though because in my view Love is a harmonizing energy and so the 'discomfort' isn't that entropy is being created, it's that it is being organized but since the chaos is so 'established' it is a foreign experience and so the ego fights it. It's just a gradual rather than instantaneous process, IMO.
I believe balance is the key.
Certainly, but if you ask me there is a lot of imbalance towards a lack of love rather than the other way around. There is certainly more chaos than peace in the world it appears. Of course, thoroughly disagree with you about dictators, but that's neither here nor there.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-09-2016
(03-09-2016, 03:54 PM)Aion Wrote: Of course, thoroughly disagree with you about dictators, but that's neither here nor there.
Service to self is service to all. If it is done properly, balance will return.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Aion - 03-09-2016
Service to others is also service to ALL. It sounds to me more like you just have a bias towards service to self.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Nicholas - 03-10-2016
(03-09-2016, 03:50 PM)darklight Wrote:
Too much love will kill you.
I think Queen were attempting to point out this particular Ra quote. Just to note that there are many ways at expressing the same thing and I am assuming some accuracy in my correlation here...
Quote:42.20:
There are two things especially important in this relationship other than the basic acceptance of the child by the parent. Firstly, the experience of whatever means the parent uses to worship and give thanksgiving to the One Infinite Creator, should if possible be shared with the child entity upon a daily basis, as you would say. Secondly, the compassion of parent to child may well be tempered by the understanding that the child entity shall learn the biases of service to others or service to self from the parental other-self. This is the reason that some discipline is appropriate in the teach/learning. This does not apply to the activation of any one energy center for each entity is unique and each relationship with self and other-self doubly unique. The guidelines given are only general for this reason.
So "too much love" without any disciplinary balancing could indeed create a bias towards sts.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - APeacefulWarrior - 03-11-2016
Not to be a pedant, but that song was written after Freddie Mercury was diagnosed with AIDS. It seems simpler to assume a much more literal meaning.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - BlatzAdict - 03-11-2016
I don't think wanderers have to polarize but it's more like how could they not want to. Once you remember why you came, you understand you are a spark of the creator more so than before because you feel this... immense peace and bliss and there is a very active connection to all that is psychically in a big web by blanket of fluffy joy.
When Ra goes on to speak about the calling that was made by earth for assistance, once you can remember that moment, it is an immense heart breaking feeling, of course we wanted to help make the boo boo better so naturally you go to where it hurts.
while people can be predisposed to learned things and human traits, the natural inclination for a child that wants to help is always there, and built on top of and sometimes buried by individuals who forget about their child hood dismissing it as unimportant. It's those characteristics themselves that are the expression of your true self.
What is your highest excitement? The answer to this is to be aligned with the intentions of the One infinite Creator. If you are created from love and return back to love, then you are here to experience all the things that would take one away from love, things of the illusion so that you can know the love that you are more.
Since you are so loving, how could you not want to serve others? It comes natural. I say that it is so easy to say, though of course some souls spend millennia in various body suits trying to learn and master it.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - GreatSpirit - 04-02-2016
(07-22-2015, 10:43 PM)Lighthead Wrote: Does anybody know where it says that Wanderers absolutely have to polarize to leave 3D in the Law of One material? I probably have already asked this before, but I'm too lazy to look at my old threads or anywhere else. I don't really remember Ra saying that in exact terms. If it exists, I'm assuming that it could be under Harvest in the lawofone.info site. I'll try to look it up too. Thanks.
Edit: I also wonder how meditative experiences fit into polarization. Is it possible to advance to higher and higher levels of meditation if you're not really doing anything to polarize?
Good question. Wanderers already are polarized I think. We are just reactivating the yellow ray for this experience by absolute choice. No automation there. We already know the outcomes of this current lifetime. If you knew beyond a doubt that after your death you would be trapped here for a long time, it would be wise not to get involved.
It's possible to get stuck here for a Wanderer yes. I interpret Ra's message as yes you can get stuck and repeat 3D. As for how many times, it just depends. But this scenario happens I guess when you are "infringed on" and really treat people like s*** without polarizing to the negative.
Ra did mention the Wanderers spirit complex is different than a native 3D entity. We already know the most likely scenario we will experience in the life.
You'll be aight.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - im_not_me - 04-02-2016
(04-02-2016, 10:03 PM)GreatSpirit Wrote:(07-22-2015, 10:43 PM)Lighthead Wrote: Does anybody know where it says that Wanderers absolutely have to polarize to leave 3D in the Law of One material? I probably have already asked this before, but I'm too lazy to look at my old threads or anywhere else. I don't really remember Ra saying that in exact terms. If it exists, I'm assuming that it could be under Harvest in the lawofone.info site. I'll try to look it up too. Thanks.
Edit: I also wonder how meditative experiences fit into polarization. Is it possible to advance to higher and higher levels of meditation if you're not really doing anything to polarize?
Good question. Wanderers already are polarized I think. We are just reactivating the yellow ray for this experience by absolute choice. No automation there. We already know the outcomes of this current lifetime. If you knew beyond a doubt that after your death you would be trapped here for a long time, it would be wise not to get involved.
It's possible to get stuck here for a Wanderer yes. I interpret Ra's message as yes you can get stuck and repeat 3D. As for how many times, it just depends. But this scenario happens I guess when you are "infringed on" and really treat people like s*** without polarizing to the negative.
Ra did mention the Wanderers spirit complex is different than a native 3D entity. We already know the most likely scenario we will experience in the life.
You'll be aight.
I agree with this. And even if you do have to polarize, it should be easy, since you've done it already. And again, I believe you don't have to polarize.
It's probably less than 10% of the STO wanderers that get stuck. You're more likely to get stuck if you are a STS, because of the chance of making the choice to re-polarize, or if you already made the choice to re-polarize (In an typical scenario a 5th density could chose to end their cycle to re-polarize and become STO oriented as a wanderer, scenarios like such rarely occur but nonetheless it happens. And just my guess when it DOES happen, everything is probably carefully planned out for the re-polarization to go through, but will probably take a few cycles to wash out the karma.
Many wanderers (even STS) eventually recover their Law of One philosophies and it helps them along tremendously.