(05-11-2015, 08:49 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Easy to be bored when you have no purpose for yourself.

It's a little more complicated for me, since I'm one of the reasons the world is the way it is.

(05-11-2015, 08:50 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 08:49 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Easy to be bored when you have no purpose for yourself.

It's a little more complicated for me, since I'm one of the reasons the world is the way it is.

And it'll be complicated until you simply make peace with it. Not that complicated.

(05-11-2015, 08:53 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 08:50 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 08:49 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Easy to be bored when you have no purpose for yourself.

It's a little more complicated for me, since I'm one of the reasons the world is the way it is.

And it'll be complicated until you simply make peace with it. Not that complicated.

Speak for yourself, my friend, not for others.

I assure you, this is not some angsty expression of my woes, but thoughts and awareness which have come from many years of self-exploration. I accept that it is complicated and I would rather work through it thoroughly and properly than just wave my hand and "simply make peace". Making peace with it neither resolves my karma or my responsibility. I have no interest in peace that is unfounded.

(05-11-2015, 08:56 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 08:53 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 08:50 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 08:49 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Easy to be bored when you have no purpose for yourself.

It's a little more complicated for me, since I'm one of the reasons the world is the way it is.

And it'll be complicated until you simply make peace with it. Not that complicated.

Speak for yourself, my friend, not for others.

I assure you, this is not some angsty expression of my woes, but thoughts and awareness which have come from many years of self-exploration. I accept that it is complicated and I would rather work through it thoroughly and properly than just wave my hand and "simply make peace". Making peace with it neither resolves my karma or my responsibility. I have no interest in peace that is unfounded.

Karma is there only to change your awareness of things, not for a payback or making up for something or because you've done wrong. Karmic cycles repeat until you succeed in perceiving things as you should perceive them to further grow.

(05-11-2015, 09:00 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 08:56 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Karma is there only to change your awareness of things, not for a payback or making up for something or because you've done wrong. Karmic cycles repeat until you succeed in perceiving things as you should perceive them to further grow.

My friend, my karma is my responsibility and my responsibility is taken and chosen by myself. You would not perhaps understand, but there is no outside force that gives me my karma, it is something I have chosen for myself. Like Ra, I am attempting to take responsibility for my actions that were misguided. I do this to achieve balance within myself.

For me, karma and responsibility are nearly the same thing. I do not 'have' to do anything, no, of course not. I have, however, chosen to take responsibility and so am acting in kind.

(05-11-2015, 09:02 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:00 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 08:56 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Karma is there only to change your awareness of things, not for a payback or making up for something or because you've done wrong. Karmic cycles repeat until you succeed in perceiving things as you should perceive them to further grow.

My friend, my karma is my responsibility and my responsibility is taken and chosen by myself. You would not perhaps understand, but there is no outside force that gives me my karma, it is something I have chosen for myself. Like Ra, I am attempting to take responsibility for my actions that were misguided. I do this to achieve balance within myself.

For me, karma and responsibility are nearly the same thing. I do not 'have' to do anything, no, of course not. I have, however, chosen to take responsibility and so am acting in kind.

It is well as you do know this responsability is self-imposed. Still you should know that you've made no mistake.

(05-11-2015, 09:05 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:02 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:00 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 08:56 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Karma is there only to change your awareness of things, not for a payback or making up for something or because you've done wrong. Karmic cycles repeat until you succeed in perceiving things as you should perceive them to further grow.

My friend, my karma is my responsibility and my responsibility is taken and chosen by myself. You would not perhaps understand, but there is no outside force that gives me my karma, it is something I have chosen for myself. Like Ra, I am attempting to take responsibility for my actions that were misguided. I do this to achieve balance within myself.

For me, karma and responsibility are nearly the same thing. I do not 'have' to do anything, no, of course not. I have, however, chosen to take responsibility and so am acting in kind.

It is well as you do know this responsability is self-imposed. Still you should know that you've made no mistake.

All true responsibility comes from the self. One is free to interpret infinitely the right or wrongness of any life or action. I am not going to contend over the rightness or wrongness in the eyes of the Creator, that is futile. However, actions have consequences. We can choose to take responsibility for those consequences. I have acted and produced consequences and I, now, through my own self-awareness am finding responsibility for them. I embrace this for it takes me deeper in to knowing myself.

(05-11-2015, 09:13 PM)Minyatur Wrote: You said your work includes a lot of rememberance, how far does this rememberance goes. I would think it is important for you to remember what set you on the path you took.

I've had a dream not so long ago of myself as a 2D entity and it seemed like the turning point experience that set me on my path.

(05-11-2015, 09:15 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Yes, yes, the "all is well" broken record.

I apologize if I seem particularly exasperated by this notion as it has been rammed in to my head endlessly for years, especially on this forum and I don't know how to tell people that I am well aware of this. I am well aware of the unity of all things, well aware of the "Great Perfection" of all things and everything is perfect and blah, blah, blah. I get it.

I have been to unity, I have experienced total bliss, release and detachment from all things. I have felt absolute peace and experienced being a complete, in the moment, Creator. I get it.

None of that does anything towards helping me to know myself. You could perhaps say that while numerous people are seeking to rest in the state of bliss and all is well, I am actually going in the opposite direction. I found peace within myself, I found its source, I see the One, the Creator within me. Now I seek war, chaos, pain, these things inside of me that I may know them truly.

For me, I want to know why the Creator suffers. The peace, love, harmony and unity of the Creator is easy, clearly to be seen.

(05-11-2015, 09:18 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:15 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Yes, yes, the "all is well" broken record.

I apologize if I seem particularly exasperated by this notion as it has been rammed in to my head endlessly for years, especially on this forum and I don't know how to tell people that I am well aware of this. I am well aware of the unity of all things, well aware of the "Great Perfection" of all things and everything is perfect and blah, blah, blah. I get it.

I have been to unity, I have experienced total bliss, release and detachment from all things. I have felt absolute peace and experienced being a complete, in the moment, Creator. I get it.

None of that does anything towards helping me to know myself. You could perhaps say that while numerous people are seeking to rest in the state of bliss and all is well, I am actually going in the opposite direction. I found peace within myself, I found its source, I see the One, the Creator within me. Now I seek war, chaos, pain, these things inside of me that I may know them truly.

For me, I want to know why the Creator suffers. The peace, love, harmony and unity of the Creator is easy, clearly to be seen.

War, chaos, pain is part of this love, unity and harmony. 

You might see it as a broken record, but you are the one who seems not to accept himself and as such attract this saying. By blaming yourself, you blame all as all has done your deeds through what you incarnated.

(05-11-2015, 09:26 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: It is because I accept my past that I choose in the way I do.

(05-11-2015, 09:24 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: I do not place blame, neither on myself nor on anybody else. It is the work of accepting myself that has brought me to all of these elements of myself which needed to be accepted. It hasn't been easy to accept these things about myself, I assure you. I believe that our light and our dark need to be accepted. It has been challenging on both ends.

I do not know how to explain it to you in a way you will understand because it seems you as an individual have no desire for responsibility, purpose or such apparent restrictions. As you would say, and I would as well, this is perfectly well, all is well. Rather, I do not know how to show you or express that the path I am on is one consciously, intentionally chosen. I am not subject to the whims of any other than myself. I know it is an 'act' of the Creator, I know it is an illusion, I know I don't 'have' to do it, or anything for that matter.

The point is that I am choosing. I could certainly repeat along-side you all the same platitudes, but why would I if that is not my focus? Accepting that all is well, everything is perfect, doesn't mean the end of life and experience. Perhaps it is rather that you do not understand why someone would so choose to apparently explore this avenue.

(05-11-2015, 09:36 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:26 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: It is because I accept my past that I choose in the way I do.

But would you shoulder entities for them to go through the same path as you did?

(05-11-2015, 09:39 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:24 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: I do not place blame, neither on myself nor on anybody else. It is the work of accepting myself that has brought me to all of these elements of myself which needed to be accepted. It hasn't been easy to accept these things about myself, I assure you. I believe that our light and our dark need to be accepted. It has been challenging on both ends.

I do not know how to explain it to you in a way you will understand because it seems you as an individual have no desire for responsibility, purpose or such apparent restrictions. As you would say, and I would as well, this is perfectly well, all is well. Rather, I do not know how to show you or express that the path I am on is one consciously, intentionally chosen. I am not subject to the whims of any other than myself. I know it is an 'act' of the Creator, I know it is an illusion, I know I don't 'have' to do it, or anything for that matter.

The point is that I am choosing. I could certainly repeat along-side you all the same platitudes, but why would I if that is not my focus? Accepting that all is well, everything is perfect, doesn't mean the end of life and experience. Perhaps it is rather that you do not understand why someone would so choose to apparently explore this avenue.

I would say that you look like a "mirror" unto my past so I wouldn't say I don't understand. We all have our own responsabilities which we create.

I choose not to not remember because I take not responsability, it is because the veil has it's own purpose.

(05-11-2015, 09:40 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:36 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:26 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: It is because I accept my past that I choose in the way I do.

But would you shoulder entities for them to go through the same path as you did?

No, I do not choose for any other. It is for each to choose. I would, of course, share my path that it may be used in discerning the choice of one's path, but only if invited.

I do what I do for my own purposes and my own peace. It is the greatest service I currently see myself capable of.

(05-11-2015, 09:42 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:39 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:24 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: I do not place blame, neither on myself nor on anybody else. It is the work of accepting myself that has brought me to all of these elements of myself which needed to be accepted. It hasn't been easy to accept these things about myself, I assure you. I believe that our light and our dark need to be accepted. It has been challenging on both ends.

I do not know how to explain it to you in a way you will understand because it seems you as an individual have no desire for responsibility, purpose or such apparent restrictions. As you would say, and I would as well, this is perfectly well, all is well. Rather, I do not know how to show you or express that the path I am on is one consciously, intentionally chosen. I am not subject to the whims of any other than myself. I know it is an 'act' of the Creator, I know it is an illusion, I know I don't 'have' to do it, or anything for that matter.

The point is that I am choosing. I could certainly repeat along-side you all the same platitudes, but why would I if that is not my focus? Accepting that all is well, everything is perfect, doesn't mean the end of life and experience. Perhaps it is rather that you do not understand why someone would so choose to apparently explore this avenue.

I would say that you look like a "mirror" unto my past so I wouldn't say I don't understand. We all have our own responsabilities which we create.

I choose not to not remember because I take not responsability, it is because the veil has it's own purpose.

Well you may find it interesting to consider that I am quite sure I was born with only a 'partial' veil, as I remembered much from very young.

(05-11-2015, 09:44 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:40 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:36 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:26 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: It is because I accept my past that I choose in the way I do.

But would you shoulder entities for them to go through the same path as you did?

No, I do not choose for any other. It is for each to choose. I would, of course, share my path that it may be used in discerning the choice of one's path, but only if invited.

I do what I do for my own purposes and my own peace. It is the greatest service I currently see myself capable of.

I meant it more in the sense that 7D also has the role of supporting tragedies of all kind. It is not like it is something that will fade from our experiences.

(05-11-2015, 09:44 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Also, if we are going with the "all is well", then remember that everything I am doing and all of my work must be part of that. If we are looking from that level, that I am exactly where I need to be.

(05-11-2015, 09:46 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:44 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I meant it more in the sense that 7D also has the role of supporting tragedies of all kind. It is not like it is something that will fade from our experiences.

Not sure what you mean by that, maybe you mean 6D. Dunno what you mean by "supporting tragedies".

Nothing is ever lost. I'm not sure what your point is.

(05-11-2015, 09:49 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:46 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:44 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I meant it more in the sense that 7D also has the role of supporting tragedies of all kind. It is not like it is something that will fade from our experiences.

Not sure what you mean by that, maybe you mean 6D. Dunno what you mean by "supporting tragedies".

Nothing is ever lost. I'm not sure what your point is.

That one day you will come to support other-selves so that they live experiences similar to your own. Of course that also includes experiences different from your own. 7D is unconditionnal, it is what let things be through them.

(05-11-2015, 08:36 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: I think that's a funny question, my goal as a spiritual entity, since I do not know any entities without spirit. I do not have any 'goals' as a spiritual entity, I have the path that I am walking. If my path is true as I see it then I am one of the "Elder Race" whom has been here for a long time, and whom has dedicated to work with the planet until all entities graduate. Thus, my goal is to embody that which I am, the One.

(05-11-2015, 09:58 PM)Lighthead Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 08:36 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: I think that's a funny question, my goal as a spiritual entity, since I do not know any entities without spirit. I do not have any 'goals' as a spiritual entity, I have the path that I am walking. If my path is true as I see it then I am one of the "Elder Race" whom has been here for a long time, and whom has dedicated to work with the planet until all entities graduate. Thus, my goal is to embody that which I am, the One.

I realize that you are now involved in a whole other discussion, but I just wanted to clarify what I meant. I did realize when I wrote it that the term, spiritual entity, was probably redundant. It was a poor choice of words. I probably should have asked you as to how you view the future of your spiritual path. There is no need to answer. You perfectly explained what you meant. I very much appreciate your feedback.

(05-11-2015, 09:00 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: My friend, my karma is my responsibility and my responsibility is taken and chosen by myself. You would not perhaps understand, but there is no outside force that gives me my karma, it is something I have chosen for myself. Like Ra, I am attempting to take responsibility for my actions that were misguided. I do this to achieve balance within myself.

For me, karma and responsibility are nearly the same thing. I do not 'have' to do anything, no, of course not. I have, however, chosen to take responsibility and so am acting in kind.

(05-11-2015, 10:07 PM)Lighthead Wrote:

(05-11-2015, 09:00 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: My friend, my karma is my responsibility and my responsibility is taken and chosen by myself. You would not perhaps understand, but there is no outside force that gives me my karma, it is something I have chosen for myself. Like Ra, I am attempting to take responsibility for my actions that were misguided. I do this to achieve balance within myself.

For me, karma and responsibility are nearly the same thing. I do not 'have' to do anything, no, of course not. I have, however, chosen to take responsibility and so am acting in kind.

I would ask you what actions are those that you felt were misguided, but it's probably none of my business. I'm probably too curious for my own good. Or maybe nosy is the better word.