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RE: In regards to eating meat - Monica - 11-14-2011
(11-14-2011, 04:44 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(11-14-2011, 03:16 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I will find the Ra quote if I am able to, but there is a passage where Ra speaks of a wooden table (bed stand? something of that nature) which Don made which is teeming with positive vibrations from the love put into its creation.
The implications of this for one who uses the Ra material as a spiritual backdrop are wide. Take from it what you will.
Great point. Here's the quote:
Quote:98.16 Questioner: That is perfectly fine with us. That noise occurs at the forty-five minute time period since the tapes are forty-five minutes on a side. I would just ask as the final question, then, if the new table that Jim has built for the appurtenances is satisfactory to hold them since it will give us more room to walk around the bed, and is it better to leave it in its natural condition, or is it better to coat it with linseed oil, varnish, or paint?
Ra: I am Ra. We view this appurtenance. It sings with joy. The pine vibrates in praise. Much investment of this working in wood has been done. It is acceptable. We may suggest it be left either as it is or rubbed with the oil which also is easily magnetized and holds the proffered vibration to a profound extent.
To me, this supports the idea that all of Nature is teeming with life-force: the grass, the trees, the weeds, the carrots, the rocks...I see most plant life as a sea of life energy, like the hair on the head of Mother Gaia. That the tree's wood could still have that life-force, retained, and added to from the craftsman's creative energies as he shaped the piece.
Can anyone honestly say that a mass-produced hamburger, made from dead matter from an animal that was brutally, cruelly killed, has the same life-force?
The way the Native Americans killed those deer, yes, I can see some life-force being retained. But not a fast-food burger.
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-14-2011
You just need to look harder. Open eyes wider. Embrace the love in ALL
I'm an organ donor. When I go, however brutal it may be, I want my parts to benefit and wherever I may be, I will send my love out to those parts
RE: In regards to eating meat - AnthroHeart - 11-14-2011
Doesn't all matter contain light? Or rather is light?
RE: In regards to eating meat - Monica - 11-14-2011
(11-14-2011, 06:32 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I will send my love out to those parts
Exactly. You can do that because you have free will, and enough consciousness to choose to do that.
Do you think the cow, in a state of fear and pain, will send enough love to keep its carcass full of love, as it gets cut up and made into hamburgers by minimum-wage employees?
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-14-2011
From the beyond, we all have the higher self to send such love. How do you think the cut up tree turned table does it?
The emanating love comes from the 3D being in its presence. We have the power in us to make all dead flesh sing with love. It's in us.
RE: In regards to eating meat - Diana - 11-14-2011
(11-14-2011, 06:44 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Doesn't all matter contain light? Or rather is light?
Not sure about dark matter
.In an effort to stay on topic . . . live food would be best in that respect--closest to light. So dead animal, or plant, wouldn't bring us closer to light. In regards to evolving past a dense 3D body, casting off denseness seems efficacious.
But--and here I risk repeating myself--the fear, aggression, and "dog eat dog" effects of eating animals seems to me to carry a heavier load.
RE: In regards to eating meat - Monica - 11-14-2011
(11-14-2011, 07:32 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: The emanating love comes from the 3D being in its presence. We have the power in us to make all dead flesh sing with love. It's in us.
Oh sure. I agree that it's possible to send enough love to a piece of charred wood and it will sing.
But I doubt that most people do that. And, it's much more efficient to start with something that isn't dead to begin with. That's why live, raw fruits and veggies already have life-force intact and promote longevity and healing.
But what about the cow? Singing to its dead flesh does nothing for the cow who died in fear and pain.
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-14-2011
He's long gone. Nothing left but molecules.
RE: In regards to eating meat - BrownEye - 11-14-2011
(11-14-2011, 06:32 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm an organ donor. When I go, however brutal it may be, I want my parts to benefit and wherever I may be, I will send my love out to those partsAre you going to end up as steaks or burgers?
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-14-2011
Singing 1D entities. La la la. Please eat me. I want to meet 1D in your tu me. La la la.
(11-14-2011, 07:54 PM)Pickle Wrote:(11-14-2011, 06:32 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm an organ donor. When I go, however brutal it may be, I want my parts to benefit and wherever I may be, I will send my love out to those partsAre you going to end up as steaks or burgers?
Your choice.
Fire roasted please
RE: In regards to eating meat - Monica - 11-14-2011
(11-14-2011, 07:52 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: He's long gone. Nothing left but molecules.
Exactly. So how did singing to those dead molecules help the cow?
RE: In regards to eating meat - Namaste - 11-15-2011
We often talk of the cyclic nature of time. This thread is a great example of that on a lower fractal level; the cyclic thread :¬)
Monica - thank you for the bread recommendation, I am now in possession of some rather nice organic sprouted wheat bread. Lovely with eggs and a salad :¬)
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-15-2011
(11-14-2011, 08:34 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(11-14-2011, 07:52 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: He's long gone. Nothing left but molecules.
Exactly. So how did singing to those dead molecules help the cow?
The molecules do the singing.
Help? Well, isn't this entire experience supposed to be "help"?
Polarization for harvestability is about 3D with 3D interaction. Yes, we have the ability to treat 2D with 3D characteristics, but it is a personal preference. It doesn't "help" polarization, it only "helps" experience. You can provide 3D characteristics to the entire planet, but if you are doing it at the expense of accepting 3D, you will not be polarizing toward a 4D concentration of experience. In other words, compassion is best served to one enemy than it is to 1,000 2D animals.
RE: In regards to eating meat - Diana - 11-15-2011
(11-15-2011, 11:30 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:(11-14-2011, 08:34 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(11-14-2011, 07:52 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: He's long gone. Nothing left but molecules.
Exactly. So how did singing to those dead molecules help the cow?
The molecules do the singing.
Help? Well, isn't this entire experience supposed to be "help"?
Polarization for harvestability is about 3D with 3D interaction. Yes, we have the ability to treat 2D with 3D characteristics, but it is a personal preference. It doesn't "help" polarization, it only "helps" experience. You can provide 3D characteristics to the entire planet, but if you are doing it at the expense of accepting 3D, you will not be polarizing toward a 4D concentration of experience. In other words, compassion is best served to one enemy than it is to 1,000 2D animals.
Forgive my ignorance, Monkey. I am not as versed in the Ra material as you and many others on the site. Can you (or anyone else) interpret this for me? And what does it mean by 2D animals? Are all animals considered 2D, and if so, why? I want to undestand this perspective. Thank you.
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-15-2011
http://lawofone.info/results.php?category=Densities&sc=1&ss=1
Not all animals. I don't recall specifics, but whales or dolphins can be 3D according to Ra.
Basically, in my words, second density is a level of being that is aware of self but unaware that others are aware of themselves in the same way.
Please don't take my words as though I think I am speaking Factually. It's just my subjective understanding.
RE: In regards to eating meat - Monica - 11-15-2011
(11-15-2011, 11:30 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Polarization for harvestability is about 3D with 3D interaction. Yes, we have the ability to treat 2D with 3D characteristics, but it is a personal preference. It doesn't "help" polarization, it only "helps" experience.
I see now why we aren't connecting. You seem focused on what the dead animal's flesh can do for you.
I am focused on what I can do for the animal.
(11-15-2011, 11:30 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: You can provide 3D characteristics to the entire planet, but if you are doing it at the expense of accepting 3D, you will not be polarizing toward a 4D concentration of experience.
To do xyz for the sake of polarizing is inherently a self-serving act.
The irony is, that compassion is required to polarize STO.
In other words, to have compassion just because it's required to polarize, isn't really compassion. (Although we have to start someplace, and making the choice is the first step.)
(11-15-2011, 11:30 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: In other words, compassion is best served to one enemy than it is to 1,000 2D animals.
Again, you seem focused on what it will do for you.
In my view, compassion is something that is extended to all beings. Why turn it on for humans but turn it off for animals? Why must it be an 'either/or'? Why not feel compassion for both?
If I see an animal crying out in fear and pain, I cannot fathom being hardened to its suffering.
The Christianity I was raised with taught that animals don't have souls, so it doesn't matter what happens to them. I have met many Christians who consider animals 'property' and don't want to 'waste' any of their 'compassion' on 'mere lowly creatures who will be extinguished anyway, for lack of a soul.'
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-15-2011
I am focused on compassion for 3D. Compassion for animals is terrific, but at the expense of compassion for 3D, it is destructive rather than constructive.
RE: In regards to eating meat - Namaste - 11-15-2011
A very good Christian friend of mine thinks animals were put here purely for us to eat.
It's incredible how easily the minds of millions are controlled to think within certain boundaries.
Incredibly scary :¬)
(11-15-2011, 12:50 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am focused on compassion for 3D. Compassion for animals is terrific, but at the expense of compassion for 3D, it is destructive rather than constructive.
3DM: Why does equality only have to apply to those entities of our own density? Beings of higher densities care for our wellbeing and send us love. Why would we not do the same for those 'below' us?
It's not compassion for 3D or 2D. It's compassion for 2D and 3D (and the rest!) :¬)
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-15-2011
I'm not compassionate for 3D when I say "I'm appalled by you"
Namaste, we are all here... To do whatever the hell we want to do.
RE: In regards to eating meat - Monica - 11-15-2011
(11-15-2011, 12:50 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I am focused on compassion for 3D. Compassion for animals is terrific, but at the expense of compassion for 3D, it is destructive rather than constructive.
When did anyone ever say 'at the expense of compassion for 3D'?
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-15-2011
It isn't compassionate toward 3D to say they are wrong.
To say they aren't evolving
RE: In regards to eating meat - Monica - 11-15-2011
(11-15-2011, 12:52 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm not compassionate for 3D when I say "I'm appalled by you"
I am again struggling to follow your train of thought. Being appalled at the suffering of animals isn't the same thing as being appalled at a person. No one has said anything about being appalled by anyone.
RE: In regards to eating meat - BrownEye - 11-15-2011
(11-15-2011, 12:47 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: If I see an animal crying out in fear and pain, I cannot fathom being hardened to its suffering.
I used to do wildlife rehab. The animals I raised from a baby were my children. It was always a good feeling to open the door to their freedom, while keeping that door open for them to nest until they built a nest in the wild.
(11-15-2011, 12:51 PM)Namaste Wrote: Why would we not do the same for those 'below' us?
Well said.
RE: In regards to eating meat - Namaste - 11-15-2011
(11-15-2011, 12:52 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm not compassionate for 3D when I say "I'm appalled by you"
Namaste, we are all here... To do whatever the hell we want to do.
We are indeed, I'm not saying otherwise :¬)
Quote:3DM: Why does equality only have to apply to those entities of our own density? Beings of higher densities care for our wellbeing and send us love. Why would we not do the same for those 'below' us?
The question was why love has to be conditional depending on density. Is unconditional love not the lesson/nature of this density?
Peace!
RE: In regards to eating meat - Monica - 11-15-2011
(11-15-2011, 12:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: It isn't compassionate toward 3D to say they are wrong.
To say they aren't evolving
I don't recall anyone on this thread ever saying anyone was 'wrong' or not evolving. (Well maybe one person did, but it wasn't me.)
RE: In regards to eating meat - Namaste - 11-15-2011
(11-15-2011, 12:56 PM)Pickle Wrote: I used to do wildlife rehab. The animals I raised from a baby were my children. It was always a good feeling to open the door to their freedom, while keeping that door open for them to nest until they built a nest in the wild.
Wonderful!
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-15-2011
To say someone is in denial is to say that if they were honest they wouldnt eat meat, and to say that is to say that they are wrong.
To agree exclamation point with someone who just said they aren't evolving is to say the same thing
To tell me "fine just eat fruits and nuts" is to tell me my logic is wrong
RE: In regards to eating meat - Monica - 11-15-2011
(11-15-2011, 12:23 PM)Diana Wrote: Forgive my ignorance, Monkey. I am not as versed in the Ra material as you and many others on the site. Can you (or anyone else) interpret this for me? And what does it mean by 2D animals? Are all animals considered 2D, and if so, why? I want to undestand this perspective. Thank you.
The Law of One teaches that there are levels of evolution called densities. So you will see abbreviations for densities thusly: 1D, 2D, 3D, etc.
Elementals (earth/dirt/rocks, fire, water, air) are 1D. There is a primal consciousness, but not individuated. Plants and wild animals are 2D, but 2D is a very long density. These lifeforms start out with a group consciousness, so upon death of the physical vehicle, the plant or animal's 'soul' is merged back with the group soul. Hence, wild animals operate on instinct, because they're all part of that group soul.
But, somewhere along the way, entities develop sentience, or self-awareness. When this happens, they become individuated, and no longer merge back into the group soul, but begin their own process of incarnations. Karma/catalyst (lessons learned thru experience) are pretty much automatic at first, but as the entity devolops in consciousness, somewhere in 3D, they begin to take a more conscious, active role in their evolution.
Each density has criteria for 'graduation' into that density. The criteria to graduate from 2D to 3D is self-awareness. Humans are 3D entities, as are whales and dolphins. 3D entities often help 2D entities develop self-awareness, by treating them as individuals and drawing out their consciousness, as with cats, dogs, horses, and other pets. But other catalyst can trigger self-awareness too. A tree can become self-aware after generations of children playing in its branches and loving its beauty.
Each density is cyclic. We are at the end of 3D here on this planet, and transitioning to 4D. (See The Harvest forum.) The criteria for 'graduating' or being 'harvested' to 4D is to be at least 51% Service to Others (STO) which, in my interpretation, means being loving/caring/compassionate/forgiving.
There is much more to it but this is a brief summary, based on my understanding.
RE: In regards to eating meat - βαθμιαίος - 11-15-2011
I don't think the idea that whales and dolphins are third-density entities is from Ra.
RE: In regards to eating meat - 3DMonkey - 11-15-2011
Q'uo?