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RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-23-2014
(02-23-2014, 09:34 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I said that polarization doesn't depend on technology, not that the harvest doesn't depend on polarization.
I see polarization as intention. What does lack of use have to do with polarization ?
RE: intended use of devices - βαθμιαίος - 02-23-2014
As I read the quote from session 8, Ra is saying that the muddled vibratory situation of our planet, which results in lack of use of the technology, means that neither positive nor negative can gain the power to open the gates to intelligent infinity (ie polarize).
RE: intended use of devices - Fang - 02-23-2014
Quote:I see polarization as intention. What does lack of use have to do with polarization ?Maldek intended to serve others...intent=!polarization
To add, a service orientation (and the intent that accompanies it) is not the same as polarization but the two are often conflated.
RE: intended use of devices - zenmaster - 02-23-2014
(02-23-2014, 09:49 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: I see polarization as intention. What does lack of use have to do with polarization ?
Polarization is an ability provided by conscious awareness. Intention is how the will is guided.
RE: intended use of devices - native - 02-23-2014
The thing is technology was introduced on top of many lower imbalances. I've been lucky enough to have a life where I could go within and develop, yet there are plenty who are trapped in lower energies due to our less than free giving society. For those who have developed spiritually, I think we perform real magic/spiritual work by slowing things down and attempting to address these lower imbalances. By that I mean that when effort is put in to help others and society is general ways, progression in the areas of science will take place.
RE: intended use of devices - Fastidious Emanations - 02-23-2014
because in order to truly experience the moment of 'harvest' without gross disarrangement of circuitry it may be more propitious to take account for the whole of one's being within the moment, within the freedom of the choice thereof rather than utilizing 'outside' means/devices to 'get us there' or waiting till death/harvest is inevitable and be forced to either accept or not accept a higher density of light/being.
edit cause it made no sense
RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-23-2014
(02-23-2014, 10:32 AM)Fang Wrote:Quote:I see polarization as intention. What does lack of use have to do with polarization ?Maldek intended to serve others...intent=!polarization
To add, a service orientation (and the intent that accompanies it) is not the same as polarization but the two are often conflated.
Cant polarize without intent was my point. Ra intended to serve others and caused harm many times in the past as well so what ? STO in the fullest sense involves all of the STS discoveries which are playing out and have been since the start of the cycle.
RE: intended use of devices - Fang - 02-23-2014
Quote:Cant polarize without intent was my point.If that was your point why say something else that alludes to a conclusion that you know to be false? lol
Quote:Ra intended to serve others and caused harm many times in the past as well so what ?The reason I brought up Maldek is because despite their intention to serve others they did not polarize positively and you did say that you saw polarization as intent so i thought it was worth mentioning.
Quote:STO in the fullest sense involves all of the STS discoveries which are playing out and have been since the start of the cycle.No it doesn't lol. That discussion that doesn't belong here though I guess. edit to add this sentence: "STO in the fullest sense" is pretty ambiguous, i do see a possibility for what you are saying to be right but i'd use different words.
I'll remind you that this current sub discussion was started when you falsely accused a member of contradicting themselves when they didn't, I feel obligated to answer when asked a question so i'm answering but lol let's just get back on topic.
RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-23-2014
(02-23-2014, 10:35 PM)Fang Wrote:Quote:Cant polarize without intent was my point.If that was your point why say something else that alludes to a conclusion that you know to be false? lol
Quote:Ra intended to serve others and caused harm many times in the past as well so what ?The reason I brought up Maldek is because despite their intention to serve others they did not polarize positively and you did say that you saw polarization as intent so i thought it was worth mentioning.
Quote:STO in the fullest sense involves all of the STS discoveries which are playing out and have been since the start of the cycle.No it doesn't lol. That discussion that doesn't belong here though I guess
I'll remind you that this current sub discussion was started when you falsely accused a member of contradicting themselves when they didn't, I feel obligated to answer when asked a question so i'm answering but lol let's just get back on topic.
Yes your right I should have elaborated more on my concept of intention, I was answering in the context of the situation and didn't think there would be a need.
Appears to me that they did contradict if I thought they didn't I wouldn't have said anything. I dont see how what I said is not apart of the topic. Intent isn't static the intent maldek found isn't the same we are finding here.
Well let's start a sub-discussion how can the full extent of positive polarization not involve sts ?
Quote:78.25 Questioner: Then you are saying as a result of the polarization in consciousness that has occurred later in the galactic evolution, that the experiences are much more, shall I say, profound or deeper along the two paths. Are these experiences independent of the other path or must there be action across the potentiated difference between the positive and negative polarity, or is it possible to have this experience simply because of the single polarity? This is difficult to ask.
Ra: I am Ra. We would agree. We shall attempt to pluck the gist of your query from the surrounding verbiage.
The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and vice-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.
RE: intended use of devices - Poet - 02-24-2014
(02-23-2014, 11:42 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Polarization is an ability provided by conscious awareness. Intention is how the will is guided.
I agree with intuition. But you don't need to be consciously aware to get polarized. Polarization is like a snowball which rolls down the hill: You do one good thing, then comes the desire to do another one and so on. You don't have to be consciously aware of this process, it's maybe even easier if you aren't.
RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 07:20 AM)Poet Wrote:(02-23-2014, 11:42 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Polarization is an ability provided by conscious awareness. Intention is how the will is guided.
I agree with intuition. But you don't need to be consciously aware to get polarized. Polarization is like a snowball which rolls down the hill: You do one good thing, then comes the desire to do another one and so on. You don't have to be consciously aware of this process, it's maybe even easier if you aren't.
I disagree, the snowballing results in you becoming consciously aware. How can it be easier if no lessons are learnt and focus and disciplined isn't honed to see through the many illusionary husks of self we dance through ? Because ultimately how we judge what is good for self is through this focus of attention which cuts through the illusion and picks out the transposed intent of each unit of experience s/t and t/s. Until polarization reaches capacity and maximum harvest is achieved.
RE: intended use of devices - Fang - 02-24-2014
Quote: Because ultimately how we judge what is good for self is through this focus of attention which cuts through the illusion and picks out the transposed intent of each unit of experience s/t and t/s.Hardly, maybe in a few isolated cases at a particular stage of development, not a universal thing at all. Perceived need gives an indication of personally assigned value of "what is good for self" starting from a survivalist level developing onwards.
Quote:Until polarization reaches capacity and maximum harvest is achieved.
What capacity? "maximum harvest"? as in everyone being harvested?
Quote:Well let's start a sub-discussion how can the full extent of positive polarization not involve sts ?You originally said "STO in the fullest sense involves all of the STS discoveries which are playing out and have been since the start of the cycle. " which is significantly different, which one do you want addressed?
If by "full extent" you mean in terms of individual polarization in 3rd density, as in 100% positive then you can see why asking how that doesn't include negative polarization is ridiculous.
If by "full extent" you mean macrocosmic awareness in the sixth density well that's another ballpark lol, doesn't include the microcosmic awareness of the negative until they join together though.
This problem of terminology comes from people muddling up and mixing together "STO" (and STS) and "polarization". They are different things, the "full extent of STO" doesn't necessarily mean polarized at all, I'm just answering as if it did because you seem to have made this mistake.
In case you know the difference though
The service orientation of serving to others taken to it's maximum capacity (it can't really be taken to a "full extent" as it's an orientation not an absolute value like polarization is) does not include all the lessons of the opposite path, as the experiences pursued due to the orientation differ thus the lessons learned do as well.
RE: intended use of devices - Fastidious Emanations - 02-24-2014
Fang, are you saying that this macro-cosmic awareness is completely shielded from 3D perception?
'In my opinion', we created limits and boundaries to overcome them- this opinion- as with any- has a counter-opinion.
Although I do believe that that 6D unification in 3D would likely cease vitality and/or disarrange circuitry for future development of the m/b/s complex if it decides not to harvest to next octave/ true colour(not sure). Lol none of this seems sensible.
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If you would release the terms 'service-to-others' and 'service-to-self' from their stricture the idea of increasing capacitance throughout octaves may become a more palpable sound/conceptual vibration for 'becoming the Creator, again and once again'.
To reiterate:
At the beginning of an octave, that which is drawn from to start the process of experience; It is the accumulation of all experience from the previous octave. Our experiences 'will become' like a high powered energy storage by 7th density because of the unified utilization of 'potential difference' which combinedly becomes the One Original Thought once again (Amplified from previous?). Green ray is the centre of this and is the 'product' of experimentation if you will.
That is, our technological advances can only pale in comparison to internal heat. These devices are entirely unnecessary for evolution, but then wasn't evolution, time, space, experience, anything unnecessary to begin with? Unnecessary/necessary, necessary/unnecessary. This/these mind complex distortion(s) may inhibit acceptance, being, 'is-ness'..
space/time, time/space, dear Self wtf?
Such an unnecessary post..
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I would appreciate some help in understanding light Density, True Colour, Octave and how they compare.. please.
I mean as far as tongue can spit.PM me if you don't want to litter this topic more.
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Discussion turns to the nature of our existence because each part reflects the whole, devices being a (as far as I can see) 1stD conglomeration of 3+D thought form (like the tesseract in three dimensions), where the red-ray entities are gathered to perform work for the yellow+ task that is 'above' it, though it knows not.
End point; Yellow-ray entities have a greater sway on this world than red-ray technologies, though All is One
In Peace and Power
RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 10:57 AM)Fang Wrote:Quote: Because ultimately how we judge what is good for self is through this focus of attention which cuts through the illusion and picks out the transposed intent of each unit of experience s/t and t/s.Hardly, maybe in a few isolated cases at a particular stage of development, not a universal thing at all. Perceived need gives an indication of personally assigned value of "what is good for self" starting from a survivalist level developing onwards.
Quote:Until polarization reaches capacity and maximum harvest is achieved.
What capacity? "maximum harvest"? as in everyone being harvested?
Quote:Well let's start a sub-discussion how can the full extent of positive polarization not involve sts ?You originally said "STO in the fullest sense involves all of the STS discoveries which are playing out and have been since the start of the cycle. " which is significantly different, which one do you want addressed?
If by "full extent" you mean in terms of individual polarization in 3rd density, as in 100% positive then you can see why asking how that doesn't include negative polarization is ridiculous.
If by "full extent" you mean macrocosmic awareness in the sixth density well that's another ballpark lol, doesn't include the microcosmic awareness of the negative until they join together though.
This problem of terminology comes from people muddling up and mixing together "STO" (and STS) and "polarization". They are different things, the "full extent of STO" doesn't necessarily mean polarized at all, I'm just answering as if it did because you seem to have made this mistake.
In case you know the difference though
The service orientation of serving to others taken to it's maximum capacity (it can't really be taken to a "full extent" as it's an orientation not an absolute value like polarization is) does not include all the lessons of the opposite path, as the experiences pursued due to the orientation differ thus the lessons learned do as well.
How is it significantly different ?
I don't find the lessons of sts and sto much different at all, different fruit same flavour. The full extent I assume is when all entities which started this cycle return to unity.
I don't see what point your trying to make. I don't need to fully understand the concepts of polarization as it is in physical science to understand when it happens with myself. I polarize both negative and positive here right now.
STS/STO are different but they result in the same thing, what's the point in concentrating on the differences which hasn't proved beneficial at all.
RE: intended use of devices - Poet - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 07:42 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: I disagree, the snowballing results in you becoming consciously aware. How can it be easier if no lessons are learnt and focus and disciplined isn't honed to see through the many illusionary husks of self we dance through? (...)
About what do you become conciously aware? It gets easier because the only lesson which one can learn is that there are no lessons to learn. If one sees and accepts the things as they are, where is then the illusion? I think concious awareness just messes things up and when one is only aware, things flow much easier.
RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 04:43 PM)Poet Wrote:(02-24-2014, 07:42 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: I disagree, the snowballing results in you becoming consciously aware. How can it be easier if no lessons are learnt and focus and disciplined isn't honed to see through the many illusionary husks of self we dance through? (...)
About what do you become conciously aware? It gets easier because the only lesson which one can learn is that there are no lessons to learn. If one sees and accepts the things as they are, where is then the illusion? I think concious awareness just messes things up and when one is only aware, things flow much easier.
Ultimately yes to get to that state though requires conscious awareness otherwise what stimulus do you have to get back to that state after the veil ?
One can be aware of those concepts but without conscious awareness or conscious involvement you can't really relate it to the current experience.
I mean think about the concept of will you first have how distorted and misleading it is, without the conscious recognition of the false will and the continual experiments of attention and focus how else can one flow into the refined will of the creator Ra talks about and we recognise now ?
RE: intended use of devices - Fastidious Emanations - 02-24-2014
go for it bro
RE: intended use of devices - Poet - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 06:45 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: Ultimately yes to get to that state though requires conscious awareness otherwise what stimulus do you have to get back to that state after the veil ? (...)
Ok, but I don't understand why polarization should lead to conscious awareness. You are already conscious aware, it's what makes us human and what distingiushes us from a plant or a stone. You mean you become conscious aware on a deeper level?! Not on a first level (e.g. you think about yourself), but on a second (you think about your thoughts of yourself) or on a third and so on? You reflect about your own life and the catalyst you face in a deeper manner so to say?!
RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 08:51 PM)Poet Wrote:(02-24-2014, 06:45 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: Ultimately yes to get to that state though requires conscious awareness otherwise what stimulus do you have to get back to that state after the veil ? (...)
Ok, but I don't understand why polarization should lead to conscious awareness. You are already conscious aware, it's what makes us human and what distingiushes us from a plant or a stone. You mean you become conscious aware on a deeper level?! Not on a first level (e.g. you think about yourself), but on a second (you think about your thoughts of yourself) or on a third and so on? You reflect about your own life and the catalyst you face in a deeper manner so to say?!
Yep.
RE: intended use of devices - zenmaster - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 07:20 AM)Poet Wrote:You're talking about working with catalyst which results in polarization in consciousness. That's what "acceptance" or smoothing distortions results in, an increase in consciousness or in other words more space for the spirit to actualize.(02-23-2014, 11:42 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Polarization is an ability provided by conscious awareness. Intention is how the will is guided.
I agree with intuition. But you don't need to be consciously aware to get polarized. Polarization is like a snowball which rolls down the hill: You do one good thing, then comes the desire to do another one and so on. You don't have to be consciously aware of this process, it's maybe even easier if you aren't.
RE: intended use of devices - Poet - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 09:09 PM)zenmaster Wrote: You're talking about working with catalyst which results in polarization in consciousness. That's what "acceptance" or smoothing distortions results in, an increase in consciousness or in other words more space for the spirit to actualize.
What do you understand under polarization then? I always thought that one polarizes if one does something for oneself or an otherself (STS -> negative polarizaton or STO -> positive...). If you work with catalyst, you get polarized because you do service, not because you become more conscious about yourself. Or what does the marked part in the post exactly mean?
RE: intended use of devices - AnthroHeart - 02-24-2014
I remember once when I thought I was smoothing distortions by feeling them energetically. I could feel distortion ripples.
RE: intended use of devices - Fang - 02-24-2014
Quote: don't find the lessons of sts and sto much different at all, different fruit same flavour. The full extent I assume is when all entities which started this cycle return to unity.And you of course have pursued the service to self path in a disciplined manner and not only have the experience to support that perspective but have learned from others that have?
Well, when everything is in unity or "full extent" as you say of course it's the same thing, it's one, why even bring that into discussion?
Quote:I don't see what point your trying to make. I don't need to fully understand the concepts of polarization as it is in physical science to understand when it happens with myself. I polarize both negative and positive here right now.
STS/STO are different but they result in the same thing, what's the point in concentrating on the differences which hasn't proved beneficial at all.
I'm not talking about physical science... Of course you are polarizing both negative and positive; (X) positive and (100-X) negative lol this should be bleeding obvious.
Again, if you take things to "all is one" then of course they are no different, but that exists as but a notion to 3rd density and is a handy little neurotic behavioural tactic if you want to lose touch with reality. What's the point on focusing on the differences? to learn, which contrary to the popular belief of the lazy, is beneficial.
RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 09:37 PM)Poet Wrote:(02-24-2014, 09:09 PM)zenmaster Wrote: You're talking about working with catalyst which results in polarization in consciousness. That's what "acceptance" or smoothing distortions results in, an increase in consciousness or in other words more space for the spirit to actualize.
What do you understand under polarization then? I always thought that one polarizes if one does something for oneself or an otherself (STS -> negative polarizaton or STO -> positive...). If you work with catalyst, you get polarized because you do service, not because you become more conscious about yourself. Or what does the marked part in the post exactly mean?
Because conception of what is for oneself and for another self is initially quite skewed and quite contradictory. Remember the negative tries to trick the positive and is quite devious in doing so, until a deeper recognition of what self is and what it entails you can't recognise the more specific interplay of all that is not.
The veil guarantee's the facing of the negative polarity left both in the individual incarnated and the collective memory complex within whatever point of time and space.
RE: intended use of devices - zenmaster - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 09:37 PM)Poet Wrote:The service orientations are necessary limitations on the viewpoint which direct our focus of how catalyst may be recognized and processed. The result of processing the catalyst successfully is a further acceptance of self (an aspect of self) according to the level of vibration involved. That is work in consciousness which results in polarization.(02-24-2014, 09:09 PM)zenmaster Wrote: You're talking about working with catalyst which results in polarization in consciousness. That's what "acceptance" or smoothing distortions results in, an increase in consciousness or in other words more space for the spirit to actualize.
What do you understand under polarization then? I always thought that one polarizes if one does something for oneself or an otherself (STS -> negative polarizaton or STO -> positive...).
(02-24-2014, 09:37 PM)Poet Wrote: If you work with catalyst, you get polarized because you do service, not because you become more conscious about yourself.Consciousness is primary to the catalytic action of service, and polarity is afforded by consciousness.
RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 09:56 PM)Fang Wrote:Quote: don't find the lessons of sts and sto much different at all, different fruit same flavour. The full extent I assume is when all entities which started this cycle return to unity.And you of course have pursued the service to self path in a disciplined manner and not only have the experience to support that perspective but have learned from others that have?
Well, when everything is in unity or "full extent" as you say of course it's the same thing, it's one, why even bring that into discussion?
Quote:I don't see what point your trying to make. I don't need to fully understand the concepts of polarization as it is in physical science to understand when it happens with myself. I polarize both negative and positive here right now.
STS/STO are different but they result in the same thing, what's the point in concentrating on the differences which hasn't proved beneficial at all.
I'm not talking about physical science... Of course you are polarizing both negative and positive; (X) positive and (100-X) negative lol this should be bleeding obvious.
Again, if you take things to "all is one" then of course they are no different, but that exists as but a notion to 3rd density and is a handy little neurotic behavioural tactic if you want to lose touch with reality. What's the point on focusing on the differences? to learn, which contrary to the popular belief of the lazy, is beneficial.
Well how do you have any conception of what the negative path is without experience of it? Why assume I have not undertaken the negative path in a disciplined way, perhaps not acting it out in the physical as much as others but what difference does that make.
You compare the differences to see the similarities is what I meant, at a point the differences are automatic and just the same circle you see everywhere else.
RE: intended use of devices - Fang - 02-25-2014
Quote:Fang, are you saying that this macro-cosmic awareness is completely shielded from 3D perception?Not completely, but for the most part yes. Third density is where we can get a first taste of that.
Quote:Well how do you have any conception of what the negative path is without experience of it?By reading the material that this entire site is dedicated to and evaluating the concept within the context of the material in which it is presented, again how is this not obvious? Why jump to an absolute ("any conception"), why do it? kids these days I swear...
Anyways if you want actually discuss this like gentlemen PM me we've already destroyed this thread.
RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-25-2014
(02-25-2014, 06:20 AM)Fang Wrote:Quote:Fang, are you saying that this macro-cosmic awareness is completely shielded from 3D perception?Not completely, but for the most part yes. Third density is where we can get a first taste of that.
Quote:Well how do you have any conception of what the negative path is without experience of it?By reading the material that this entire site is dedicated to and evaluating the concept within the context of the material in which it is presented, again how is this not obvious? Why jump to an absolute ("any conception"), why do it? kids these days I swear...
Anyways if you want actually discuss this like gentlemen PM me we've already destroyed this thread.
If that's how you take our discussion haha. Why restrict from others reading our discussion if they wish.
What absolute am I jumping to ?
RE: intended use of devices - Fang - 02-25-2014
Quote:Why restrict from others reading our discussion if they wish.Because what we are talking about is fundamental and obvious i'm surprised it's even happening.
Quote:What absolute am I jumping to ?by saying "any conception" which denotes an absolute value of certainty; "any", creating a false dichotomy of "nothing" and "something".
The reason I talked about experience is because you said "I don't find the lessons of sts and sto much different at all, different fruit same flavour." so naturally I asked if you had any experience in sts methodology and had learned the lessons from such experience because otherwise such a statement falls flat. But of course instead of answering the question you just asked how do I have any conception of sts which is why I no longer see this discussion as worthy of the public's eye lol
RE: intended use of devices - Sagittarius - 02-25-2014
(02-25-2014, 07:06 AM)Fang Wrote:Quote:Why restrict from others reading our discussion if they wish.Because what we are talking about is fundamental and obvious i'm surprised it's even happening.
Quote:What absolute am I jumping to ?by saying "any conception" which denotes an absolute value of certainty; "any", creating a false dichotomy of "nothing" and "something".
The reason I talked about experience is because you said "I don't find the lessons of sts and sto much different at all, different fruit same flavour." so naturally I asked if you had any experience in sts methodology and had learned the lessons from such experience because otherwise such a statement falls flat. But of course instead of answering the question you just asked how do I have any conception of sts which is why I no longer see this discussion as worthy of the public's eye lol
Ok, memories or dreams in conjunction with current experience. Periods of strong thoughts and feelings and urges that corresponded with how Ra describes the sts adept's patterns.
I also didn't accuse you of having no experience of the negative path I asked you how do you know what it is without experience of it which is what I thought you were implying. But then I thought that was "obvious" haha